Patiently waiting for Truth

3 hours ago, Thinking said:

I still love meatloaf….never heard sympathy for the devil..

Sympathy for the devil is Rolling Stones from the 6o's. This is a remix.

15 minutes ago, Anna said:

Hey! I like country music!

A lot of false religion in Country music. Songs about going to heaven, churchy stuff, and silly stuff like 'Ghost Riders in the Sky'. My dad liked Marty Robbins songs but I've been told that is more Western than Country. 

Bur hey, two 'sisters' I knew liked Meatloaf 'Bat Out of Hell'  and an Elder I knew liked Queen 'Bohemian Rhapsody'.  

I suppose it's all ok-ish if you just like the basic sound and not the actual words. 

8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

If they sell it, it’s because the sale of one underperforming Hall in the West can fund the building of 50 in developing lands where they are clamoring for them. So someone has a longer drive twice a week so that 50X friends overseas have a place to meet? Who would object to that?

So funny tom. The money is being used to build Ramapo fairyland and to pay for expences at Warwick.

One thing that always struck me as funny was that the Watchtower Leaders / GB were always saying that JWs should just have very basic jobs and lead a 'simple lifestyle' BUT then the Watchtower mags would say that JWs should always have a nice modern car and nice modern clothes, because they represent the JW Org. 

Now they also tell JWs to drive more miles to get to the KH every week and even more miles to get to an assembly / convention. BUT don't go looking for higher wages or a better job. 

It just shows two things, 1, that the GB want complete control over JWs, 2, that the GB are completely out of touch with the real life outside the Org. 

36 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

Isn’t the Society building a hundred million dollar movie and video production facility close to Ramapo New York?
I admit I have lost track since Caleb and Sophia graduated from high school, and started working.

Yes, but it is really underground bunkers for the GB & Co because they think thy can hide for YHWH and Yeshua when the true judgement comes. Ramapo will have secret tunnels to Warwick just like the tunnels in the old buildings, and there have been some, um, stories about those old tunnels.

Now as for the money to build those underground bunkers, that is why they are selling lots of Kingdom Halls, but dear old Tom thinks they are selling K H for good purposes.  

A thought :  If Armageddon is sooooo close, and if the GB et al, think that the Watchtower / JW Org will be 'closed down' by Satan's wicked governments/ rulers, then why are the GB et al, wasting good money building massive projects which will be seized by Satan's world very soon ?  I think that is known as 'putting all your eggs in one basket'. 

Whereas if the True Anointed had H/Qs in many different countries and the money was in those different countries, it could be used in a much more useful way in serving YHWH. However those of us with common sense know that the GB are not at all interested in serving YHWH or Yeshua at all.  

Do you really think YHWH and / or Yeshua want this huge Ramapo movie project ? Seriously ? 

3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Why would you promote being bad and worthless?

Why would you promote an immoral Business disguising itself as a religion / charity ? 

22 minutes ago, Arauna said:

Ha-ha.  I just laugh at the ridiculousness!  Witness and Srecko  quote an old watchtower and you have a peeve with that!  LOL.

I have repeated so often on this forum that one must put historical actions and attitudes in the light of the period

If you really think like that you would put the scriptures in 'the light of the period'.

For instance the Blood issue. If you put that in the 'light of the period' the disciples would have known that people of that period actually drank blood. They would not have known about blood transfusions. It would not have been common knowledge. So, that scripture would have refered to drinking blood. 

If you think that the Leaders / writers of the Watchtower were guided by Holy Spirit from their beginnig then those writers should have got things right from the very beginning of their writing the Watchtower. 

You seem to contradict yourself in so many ways. 

1 hour ago, xero said:

People who whine about anointed stuff are just a bunch of Karens.

Matthew 24 : 22

English Standard Version
"And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short."

Well I think this shows that YHWH and Yeshua think the Anointed are IMPORTANT. 

So if you, xero, want to think otheriwise it may be to your own detriment. 

17 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It’s the 42 anointed who met together after they were ordered not to in order to baptize without asking each other a ton of questions.

Well i did actually find this funny. But it does show that you read other people's commets too.

Your one sentance here was well put together. Thankyou.  

6 hours ago, Arauna said:

Truth is truth and cannot be a half-truth.  Truth that is exaggerated or minimized is not truth. 

Sorry Arauna but this brings us back to the Superior Authorities scripture in Romans for one thing.

It also brings us back to the number of times the Watchtower / Bible Students / JW Org have made predictions which have not come true.

I find it strange that some on here criticise @Witness for her words but you are happy to allow for your own Leaders to have told lies / make deliberate mistakes / misuse scripture.  I do not see any balance there. 

17 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

… even better than “42”!

OK, so i admit i have no idea what your number 42 means. Will you explain please. 

3 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

People complain about the idea that we tie baptism to an organization.

The Ethiopian Eunuch. Acts 8

³⁶ And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”^[b] 38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. 

Ah but Philip was just about to baptise him and then he thought, "Hey i haven't asked him fifty questions yet and i haven't judged him to say if I think it's ok for him to be baptised" 

9 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

It should be clear that baptism discussions are never about an organizational focus.

This is a joke of course. 

10 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

I don't think even the die-hard WTS haters would find a thing wrong with last Sunday's WT article.

11 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

It was about readiness for baptism,

But we know who decides the 'readiness' in the JW Org, and it isn't God or Christ. The Elders, once again exert their 'power' over people. 

As an off shoot from this, i do wonder if just anybody could baptise anyone else. For instance, if a person was not part of a 'religion' but was a Christian, could they baptise others to become Christians ?

What gives the Elders 'authority' to baptise others ? 

6 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Though the crazy faux-anointed person here appends scriptures to her comments for tonnage, she can never find the relevant ones, as you have.  

Tom, the answer seems to be that you do not try to reason on the things @Witness says because you have decided that you wil not agree with anything she says. So be it ,it's your choice, but you make it so obvious of whom you will reason with and who you will not. It seems a bit 'blind' to me as I tend to read and think on every comment i can, allbeit in a hurry some days. Yes I know I disagree with most, but only after fully reading the comments. 

6 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

So even Patiently Sitting on his Hands, that piece of work, who thinks he will not survive Armageddon and assumes that gives him the stature to advise others….well, maybe he is right and he won’t survive and still I’ll see that dodo on the other side someday, in which case I’ll take back the bad things I’ve said about him and maybe he’ll do the same with me.

On a daily basis I don't think on if I will survive Armageddon or not, I don't find it important. God's plans for the Heavens and this Earth through Christ are important. It's about perspective I suppose. My hope, which seems different to others, is that I will die naturally long before Armageddon happens. I'm 72 and in honesty i don't want to see 90. I don't want dementia, i don't want someone having to feed me or bath me. So hopefully i will die, then Yeshua will decide if I should live again. But there are people that i have not forgiven and cannot forgive, hence i think i will not be forgiven. The scripture about a man who was forgiven his debt but would not forgive some one else who owed him money always sticks in my mind when this topic comes up, so it's nice when the topic does not come up. But of course if we are both there 'on the other side' we will willingly rejoice together and probably laugh at all weve said about each other. 

15 hours ago, Pudgy said:

I would like to apologize for EVERYTHING I accused PwfT of

Thank you and apology accepted. 

1 minute ago, Pudgy said:

Fair enough, perhaps I also assumed folks were more familiar with the writing style of The Babylon Bee.

I've never even heard of it. I'm in England maybe that makes a difference. Most of you are in the USA so a lot of the stuff some of you write really does go over my head. Films, television programmes, books et al. I seriously do keep myself seperate from the 'world' so i don't bother with many things. My wife and i find happiness in God's creations and we tend to keep away from much comercialism........ 

2 hours ago, Pudgy said:

until then, your credibility with me is zero, and my accusations stand as written.

I NEED NO CRED' WITH YOU, I THINK YOU ARE PROBABLY THE ONE THAT NEEDS CRED WITH OTHERS. 

Get that chip off your shoulder JAMES. 

On 5/7/2022 at 6:33 PM, Pudgy said:

I also would Highly recommend to everyone to read the entirety of TTH’s link above!

I did find the book on line for free, (…. Don’t forget, Chapter Three) as the copyright has long expired, and here ‘tis.:

 

I, robot.pdf 1.07 MB · 1 download

On a related note, from America’s greatest religious news source:

JERUSALEM—Religious experts have begun voicing concerns that a local carpenter’s disinformation is spreading among Israelites most susceptible to unapproved ideas.

“Visit your nearest synagogue for the latest information on how to obey God. Listen to the experts!” A contingent of authorities in Jewish law spoke out against the carpenter’s simple teaching about loving God and your neighbor. “Follow the data—we need tithes, loopholes, and ever-changing rules, not repentant hearts!”

The usually divided Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes showed solidarity in fact-checking Jesus’s teaching. “We rate Jesus’s teaching as ‘Needs Context,’" said a spokesman for the group.

Eyewitnesses have confirmed that a group of Independent Fact Checkers followed the carpenter around holding large signs with disclaimers above his head: “SINCE YOUR SERMON INCLUDES INFORMATION ABOUT OBEYING GOD’S LAW, WE’VE ADDED DIRECTIONS TO THE NEAREST SYNAGOGUE.”

At publishing time, the religious experts were conspiring with the government to keep the dangerous disinformation from spreading into Judea, Samaria, or to the uttermost parts of the earth.

This man shared misinformation online, so the Ministry of Truth -- err, sorry, the Disinformation Governance Board -- detained him for questioning. Will he stand strong in the face of torture?

 

I genuinely thought that this was one of your 'funny' comments. I do not see any reference to the originality of that 'article'. I also do not see any quotation marks to show it is a quotation. 

"On a related note, from America’s greatest religious news source:" 

That to me seems similar to your advertising Pudgy coin or dogfood or whatever you write about. There is no sign of any original source for this, hence i presumed it was your own 'work'. 

But at the end of the day, IT WAS YOU THAT PUT IT UP THERE. 

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

Your are similar to Waiting on her hands.... waiting for perfection -which in this world is impossible.

And the insults continue. JWs can you not even write one comment without insults ? By their works you will know them. 

1 hour ago, Thinking said:

,,JWs were the only ones who had all my questions answered correctly

Well back in the 1960's / 70's the JW answers were a lot different to their answers today. 

7,000 year creative days. 6,000 years of humans on earth, then Armageddon and the 1,000 years of Christ's reign.

Simple wasn't it ?  BUT WRONG. How many times have the JW answers changed ? 

So maybe in 10 years time all the JW answers wil be different again. 

1 hour ago, xero said:

You're flat out wrong AND you have no common sense to boot.

Do you see this continuing flow of insults from JWs ? It never stops. Those 'supposed to be' Christians, proving false to their own beliefs.  

1 hour ago, xero said:

Being part of an organization is critical and you have to make a choice. Pretend you aren't as corrupt and flawed as those you might sneer at, or work out your own salvation w/fear and trembling WITHIN an organization which YOU feel is supporting your efforts BETTER than the others.

It seems that RUSSELL didn't think your way. He said an organisation WASN'T NECESSARY. 

Being organised is necessary, but that does not mean being ruled over by men. 

Each person shoud in fact work out their own salvation w/fear and trembling, but that does not mean submitting to men. 

3 hours ago, Arauna said:

One can twist anything from the bible to suit your narrative.

The leaders of your Org proved that when they twisted the Romans scripture to suit their own agenda. 

2 hours ago, Anna said:

Par 12 WT 2006

"We therefore have reason to think carefully about our personal situation. Are we actually inside Jehovah’s arrangement of spiritual protection? When the great tribulation strikes, tears of joy and thankfulness will stream down the faces of those who have sought such protection. For others, there will be only tears of sorrow and regret."

(JWs seem to just live to insult people but so be it anna. If you think that is the Christian way, then you are lost already.)

That Watchtower is talking about the JW Org / JW Religion as being God's spiritual arrangement for protection. 

Everyone here knows that much. It is not talking about serving God through Christ. 

Notice the word 'INSIDE'. Quite obviously proves the point.  

6 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Did you, PfwT, know that you just falsely attributed to me words that I never typed?

AND IF THE 'fw' in 'PfwT' means what i think it means, then you need a warning from @admin @JW Insider or some other administrator. 

6 hours ago, Pudgy said:

3.)  Did you make this up yourself, or quote it from someone else, and then either way falsely attribute it to me?

Tell little tommy @TrueTomHarley that I clicked so that i could answer you. I took the words directly from YOUR COMMENT as you will see if you bother to look at it. There was nothing FALSE about it. 

22 hours ago, Pudgy said:

On a related note, from America’s greatest religious news source:

JERUSALEM—Religious experts have begun voicing concerns that a local carpenter’s disinformation is spreading among Israelites most susceptible to unapproved ideas.

“Visit your nearest synagogue for the latest information on how to obey God. Listen to the experts!” A contingent of authorities in Jewish law spoke out against the carpenter’s simple teaching about loving God and your neighbor. “Follow the data—we need tithes, loopholes, and ever-changing rules, not repentant hearts!”

The usually divided Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes showed solidarity in fact-checking Jesus’s teaching. “We rate Jesus’s teaching as ‘Needs Context,’" said a spokesman for the group.

Is this the bit that you didn't write Pudgy ??????????????? 

I quoted direct from your comment, I'm not a JW I don't need to lie.