Patiently waiting for Truth

10 hours ago, JW Insider said:

I'm not interested in anecdotes that highlight embarrassments and mistakes of the past. As I said above, my interest is in what we are teaching currently about this time period.

But you've often spoken about your concern over the teachings of '1914' as if it is just dragging an old tradition into 'new light'. 

And Yeshua made a point of teaching about building a 'house' on a good foundation.  Can you in honesty prove that the JW Org is built on a good solid foundation ? 

5 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

your reply though well meaning on your part is just a series of questions and more questions ,

Um, Watchtower magazines, questions. You know that questions are good, they help people to think on subjects. 

But of course some questions actually make statements too... Rhetorical you know. 

9 hours ago, WalterPrescott said:

Don't confuse your theories, by the lack of Bible Understanding. 

JWs are not allowed to gain their own Bible Understanding. JWs are only allowed to believe the GB's understanding. 

11 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

infact the organization just keeps on getting mega

By baptising 5 year olds and accepting ministry slips from 3 year olds. 

how low can that org go ? 

41 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

The Standfasters also came up with an earthly class of non-anointed Christians many years before Rutherford began teaching the existence of such a class.

This is interesting even though i have no idea who the 'Standfasters' were.  Interesting because JWs here seem to think that the Watchtower leaders were the first to teach many things, because (they say) the W/t leaders are guided by God's Holy spirit. 

It would be nice to know of any other spiritual things that the Watchtower leaders / JW leaders coppied from others. 

Yes indeed satan is using the governing body of JW Org, who dare to give themselves the title of the F&DS. So the GB have taken it upon themselves to rule over those people that will worship them. Yeshua is patient and watches all that is happening, and the time will come for Yeshua to remove this wicked slave from their pedistal. 

The questiion is, what will JWs do when the governing body are removed ? 

24 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

I have just moved about 100 more posts to here from that other topic about Rutherford. Hope this doesn't cause any confusion.

Well it just seems to be two people (or are they one person) trying to 'upbuild' each other with lies.  It makes for a good laugh but nothing constructive and certainy nothing spiritual at all. 

13 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

as has been highlighted by other posters .patiently waiting for the truth has fallen away and stumbled do to its weaken faith on one issue,,

and as the title say they will be waiting along time for the truth ,where as we are glad to have the truth now

There are many scriptures that prove that God's people had to patiently wait in the past. 

We have seen the results of the Watchtower leaders running ahead of God and Christ. We have seen the false 'propheceis' of those that call themselves the 'faithful and discreet slave'. We have seen the lies from the Governing Body of the Watchtower / JW Org, and we have seen the domineering attitude of the Elders that worship their GB and do not know truth or mercy. 

So patiently waiting for truth seems a much better option. 

17 minutes ago, WalterPrescott said:

then why state you could be wrong about Pearl Doxsey.

I actually meant that I could be wrong about anyone here. I obviously do not have any proof either way about anyone. 

And I don't know who is or isn't a JW either. The whole forum has become a complete mess. 

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

She even chases away that other arch-enemy, Patiently Sitting on my Hands, and as much as he despises the earthly organization, no less than she does, you know she’s got to be creepy to do that!

I have said and will say again, I do not think anyone on this forum is of the True Anointed. I also do not think Pearl is of the True Anointed either.  But i could be wrong. 

I didn't know i was an 'arch-enemy' Tom ?  And what I despise is the immorality and lies within the JW org, most of which would come from the GB's given 'instruction'.  

31 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I’ll concede it shows I didn’t hit a home run. More like a double.

I think it shows to every one that You were actually telling lies Tom. 

11 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

there weak excuses are  very evident ,and theytry cover it up with attacks and using twisted reasoning ,,

 

Yes that is a perfect example of your Governing Body.  Thank you. 

12 hours ago, WalterPrescott said:

According to hearsay, Barbara Anderson's husband was being investigated for child abuse

According to hearsay the governing body of JWs are being investigated for child abuse. 

2 hours ago, Anna said:

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

JWs therefore will only believe the interpretation of their GB. 

Well duh! 

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

this attitude that if someone is no longer a JW then that person no longer has love for God or Christ. 

Well that's because it eventually manifests itself in one way or another...

Just because someone says they love God....well we know how that goes...

Um very intelligent first answer.  "Well duh"   But you fully understood my point, that JWs will not reason on things that go against the GB's interpretation.  Didn't Jesus advise us to test the things we hear ?  And wasn't it the Bereans that searched the scriptures 'to make sure things were true' ?  So i think it wise to look deeper than just believeing every word from your GB, even if they do call themsleves the F&DS. 

JWs shun all ex JWs so JWs would never know if ex JWs have a love for God and Christ. 

If you judge ex JWs just by 'hearsay' then it would be you at fault for judging them.  

2 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

the elder arrangment and gb organization proves itself to be a good long term setup ,from the above words ,once again

You are entitled to your one sided selfish opinion of course. 

47 minutes ago, Arauna said:

In the end, you did not work out to be the best guy for her...

That's true and I'm glad they are both happy together as they were good friends of mine. 

And yes, now i can understand her father's concerrn, but it was a stumbling block at the time, knowing that Yeshua/Jesus has said he came to call sinners not righteous ones. 

6 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

By supporting the GB you are supporting the Pedophilia in the JW org. 

once again you are twisted in your reasoning and your statements only provide entertainment on this site

8 million of us shout a praise in defence of a creator forming an organization of humans just as he organized the planet we live on ,you could try mars if you dont like organizations they are offering free accomodation

I'm glad your are entertained then  

Of those pretend 8 million, at least one thind will be children that are told to do such by their parents, so they have no personal choice. Another third are probably pimo, or more like spiritually out. The numbers therefore look good on paper but not so good in reality. But what you shout about is your GB and your Org.  The literiture you offer is from your GB not from God. 

By the way the Catholic church in 2020 had 100 million members, and they are wrong too.  Big numbers mean nothing. 

15 hours ago, Witness said:

"as interpreted"...I always found this phrase to be strange.

6 hours ago, Anna said:

Well yes, there are other interpretations, aren't there?

But JWs believe that their GB are the F&DS, so that's it. JWs therefore will only believe the interpretation of their GB. 

Us that have left the Org do not believe the interpretaion by the GB, but we do however still believe In YHWH / Yehovah / Yahweh and in Yeshua / Jesus.  

I do find it interesting that most of us here are NOT in opposition to God or Christ. And i believe that Yeshua said something like 'Those who are not against us, are with us'.  

I find it disappointing though that many JWs have this attitude that if someone is no longer a JW then that person no longer has love for God or Christ. 

8 hours ago, Pudgy said:

As a young man I and my friends used to go “sister hunting” for wives all over various States.

As a young man I was refused entry to a Kingdom Hall by an elder that had two nice daughters. The Elder was most annoyed at seeing me as 'he had heard things about me' and didn't want me in their Kingdom Hall. On a later occasion one of those daughters came to visit me in my flat to ask me to be her boyfriend. I sent her away because I knew what trouble it would cause and upset to many people. That young lady married my best friend, a young man who's family were all JWs. The young couple moved to Canada and had a family and i had contact with them up until last year. 

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Tell you what—why don’t you and Witness and Srecko start your own closed club. Talk about us all you want in there, then sit back and take note of how much we cry that you will not let us in?

You appear to need us to give purpose to your existence, not the reverse.

In your dreams tom.  After all it was You that was talking about me, and it seemed that i annoyed you because I didn't do things your way. It annoyed you so much that you had to mention it in the open club so that i would read it  . You expected it to annoy me but i just laughed at it all. So now you seem even more annoyed  

Anyway, washing up to do then bedtime. i bid you all good night. It has been fun.

3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

God goes for that method too as many scriptures attest.

I think this is the second time that you compare yourself, or your closed closet, to God. 

3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

You object to rules that decree participants should avoid bitter backbiting but should instead show reasonable respect for one another? Fine. Plainly, you belong here.

Yes i belong here because here is where truth is spoken. Why would i want to be in a closet with restrictions on freedom of speech ?  It would be like being in a kingdom hall all over again  ...... 

However i do wish you all well.  As for the 'bitter backbiting' I notice then that the 'closed club' members come out of the closet to throw stones at the rest of us, then they run back into the closet to hide  and to talk about us. Come on Tom that is so childish even for JWs. Enough, Have a good day. 

3 hours ago, Anna said:

Actually, bad comparison. The elders don't make up rules, they are supposed to stick clearly to the tenets of the Bible, as interpreted by Jehovahs Witnesses. We on the other hand are not the elders, we are not the KH, we can make up any rules we like.

Misquote me as usual. 

4 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

But i also notice that just like the elders rule the Kingdom halls, you have made up rules for the 'closed club'

I didn't say the elders made up those rules, but that the Elders rule.  We all know that the GB make up those rules and the elders are just puppets to enforce the rules. And yes you can make up your own rules for your little closet. Power to the closet keepers  . 

I see that tom is going for the divide and conquer method. Go at it tom.  Get them all in the closet. 

It's no longer a baptised JW Closed club is it ? It's a who can we drag in now club. Proper JW tactics. 

But i also notice that just like the elders rule the Kingdom halls, you have made up rules for the 'closed club'. 

He must do this he must not do that, and with a threat of being d/fed if he doesn't  .

Well I've always said this forum is run by elders. It's proving itself each day. 

However i will continue to post here even if i get ignored. It is good practice for me. 

Have a nice day. 

2 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

But your 'god' is your GB and the JW Org. And yes i oppose the GB that you serve and worship. 

more twisted fasle reasoning from a delusional mind alienated trom jehovah ..so sad ...your lack of ability to accept jehovah is our cause of celebration . yes it is having jehovah as our god whom we worship not your twisted views on worship .eventually you will have not choice in the matter ,

Mr Carroll you are welcome to keep serving your GB and the JW org. But when the GB fall from the exalted position they have given themselves, then you will be totally lost. I did have a choice and i made my choice. I got out of the immoral JW org and now i give warning to others to do likewise.

I cannot imagine any true Christian being a supporter of Pedophilia and a supporter of CSA, so I therefore do not see JWs as true Christians. By supporting the GB you are supporting the Pedophilia in the JW org. 

11 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

we dont feel sorry for your twisted reasoning it just reveals your spiritual father has taught you well ,you have chosen the side of the demons and the father of the lie satan ,we rejioce in knowing who our enimies are ,yes i am very negitive to wards the opposers of the true god Jehovah and look forward to the positive future offered by the bible under the direction of the governing body and the leader Jesus ,whom you abandoned long ago ,As your title says keep waiting ,for the rest of us we have the truth

I'll examine this comment. 

Quote "yes i am very negitive to wards the opposers of the true god Jehovah"

The true God is YHWH, the God of the bible. And God's son is Yeshua. I love both YHWH and Yeshua and i would never oppose either of them. 

But your 'god' is your GB and the JW Org. And yes i oppose the GB that you serve and worship. 

The Bible does not offer direction through your GB, and it is probable that those men may be removed from their positions.  Psalm 146 : 3 Berean Study Bible
"Put not your trust in princes, in mortal man, who cannot save."

As my title suggests I am Patiently waiting for Truth, Romans 8 : 25  Berean Study Bible
"But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently."

Now as for you having truth ? Tell me is it this week's 'truth' you have, and next week it will be a different 'truth'. When you GB suddenly get their 'new light' then it will be a different 'truth' again. No, you do not have any truth, but you do have deceit. 

Now back to the beginning of your comment. 

Quote "we dont feel sorry for your twisted reasoning"  Tell me, who is twisted, the one that tries to reveal truth about the Child Sexual Abuse in the JW Org, or the one that tries to hide those Pedophiles in the JW org ?  

Maybe you should think about all those children that have suffered earthwide at the hands of Elders, M/s, and others in your Org that you worship. And maybe you should think about all the adults that have suffered at the hands of Elders because those adults have wanted mercy and justice.