Kick_Faceinator

I know what you had say about BS and JW at that era.
You actually expressed your opinion in which you justify the segregation of that time which was the norm of behavior for BS and JW (in America) of that time.
Can you provide evidence from WT publications from those period of time where they condemning racism and / or justifying segregation? Which WT publication from that time says that one should listen to Caesar more than God in matter of racism and segregation?
Do you suggest how BS/JW  out of fear of men, knowingly violated God's norm that all men are equal before Him?

…. Marker to hold this spot until I finish my nap ….

First you accuse me that I am against any database, signifying to me that you know of, or accept that there is indeed, a private database on jw.org.  Now you are saying there is no private database on the online library.  
You appear to be on a very crooked road, the same road Wt has established.
"No one makes claims justly;
no one pleads honestly.
They trust in empty and worthless words;
they conceive trouble and give birth to iniquity.
They have not known the path of peace,
and there is no justice in their ways.
They have made their roads crooked;
no one who walks on them will know peace."
Therefore justice is far from us,
and righteousness does not reach us.
We hope for light, but there is darkness;
for brightness, but we live in the night.
10 We grope along a wall like the blind;
we grope like those without eyes.
We stumble at noon as though it were twilight;
we are like the dead among those who are healthy.
Justice is turned back,
and righteousness stands far off.
For truth has stumbled in the public square,
and honesty cannot enter.
15 Truth is missing,
and whoever turns from evil is plundered.
The Lord saw that there was no justice,
and he was offended."   From Isa chapter 59
 
 
 

What's silly is your imagination of a secret database just because some fool from Bethel said so. You, yourself, just answered your own flawed view.
Once again, Just because you have disloyal Bethel members just to get their names on the news like Anderson, doesn't mean anything. Her husband was once looked at for the very same thing she alleges for that institution. 
Then you have former Jehovah's Witnesses like you, making that process even darker. So, it's not silly when you get personally challenged and YOU are not willing to do, what you are telling that institution they should do. Who are you to make such a demand if you are not willing to subject yourself by your own standard.
That's an approach of an evildoer. You should not reflect on scripture, since all of it can be compared and applied to your own life and behavior. 
What you are doing is contrary to Christian ethics and behavior. How dare you call yourself a Christian.
Christian ethics
Bearing witness to the truth
 II. JESUS HAVING GIVEN HIS EVIDENCE FOR TRUTH, IT NOW REMAINS FOR EVERY RELIEVER TO CONFIRM THAT WITNESS TO THE WORLD IN HIS LIFE BY WORDS AND DEEDS. The world does not believe in the Son of God. The Pharisees told Him that His witness was not true. He, on the other hand, when He had laid claim to being the witness for the truth, speaking as never man spake, working with the mighty power of God, turns round upon His followers, and says unto them, "Ye shall be My witnesses." The idea here evidently is that Jesus, having once deposed, they must stand forth to confirm Him before the world. He is, so to speak, the main witness in court. The effort is to break Him down when He claims to be the King of the truth. His word has been spoken, and now His people are rendering their evidence; it is passing silently to the jury, and the verdict is rapidly being made up, either for or against the Son of God. Men must receive Him. This they will do when they see His disciples corroborating in their lives the witness He made for the truth. This corroborating witness of the Church is borne in these ways: we do for God, or we bear for Him, or we suffer for Him. The world pays a special tribute to Christian ethics when it says, Your creed is a good one, but your life is not up to it. We may print religious literature and scatter it over the land, but the world will not read books -- it is too busy, too restless, too eager; but it will read you, and it will receive or reject the claims of the religion of Christ in proportion as it finds in everyday life the record which believers are there making, the witness they are giving.

What silly reasoning.  Wt has taken material once public for years (and still is public in various forms - personal libraries, archive.org., etc. ) and made it only accessible to a select few within the organization. I would imagine you have an extensive library of publications yourself.  So, you are defending a private database that isn't really private.  Once public data to JWs, as "proper food at the proper time",  has since become "private", off limits, to the general population ofJ Ws.  Was it ever proper food to begin with?  Jesus said, good "food"/"fruit"  produced by those whom HE sends, should remain...but not hidden away from those who hunger for truth.  (John 15:16; Prov 3:27,28)  
"If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples."
Well, Wt did produce abundant fruit, that is now so rotten it must be hidden from the masses.  What have your leaders proven?  That God is glorified by their rotten fruit? 
"Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit."  Matt 7:19,20
This is a clamp down, a hiding of their past consistent failures, which appears to target specifically, the younger generations.  And it is they who have fully come to believe that the organization has nothing to hide.  
"One who walks in integrity, walks securely, but one who takes crooked paths will be discovered."  Prov 10:9
 
 
 
 
 

Since you can only down vote once, I'll give you this one. A woeful fool needs all the encouragement from Satan to please him. 😏

Yet, the same classless and uneducated woeful fool enters a subversive post by a down vote with more of the same ignorance, Perhaps being placed on probation for grave misconduct  has something to do with it, or can it be @Witness demands it. Now that info can be obtained by the proper secular authority channels.
Clearly, the argument shifts standards when that shoe is placed in another foot. Then the tone becomes negative, Stellar minds hard at work here.

Here’s another one, enjoy it😉

Another woeful fool making his descent by a down vote. Typical ignorance. When the observation is obtuse, the only response is, reject.

In a twisted way, they have made this distinction partially through their private database.  As doctrine changes and new publications are eventually dropped, the private database will grow, evidence of their lack of spiritual insight - the "wrong".   I liken it to their massive, dark garbage heap that “privileged” ones can still rummage through, to dig for a paragraph or sentence, appearing to contain some value.  I’m sure the writing committee and the GB relies on these “gems” when forming their new articles and talks; and it comes through as "wisdom", wearing a new coat of paint, but still its origin is from the garbage heap.  
Sometimes the Message Bible gets right to the point.
Ezekiel chapter 13
God’s Message came to me: “Son of man, preach against the prophets of Israel who are making things up out of their own heads and calling it ‘prophesying.’ “Preach to them the real thing. Tell them, ‘Listen to God’s Message!’ God, the Master, pronounces doom on the empty-headed prophets who do their own thing and know nothing of what’s going on! Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals scavenging through the ruins. They haven’t lifted a finger to repair the defenses of the city and have risked nothing to help Israel stand on God’s Day of Judgment. All they do is fantasize comforting illusions and preach lying sermons. They say ‘God says . . .’ when God hasn’t so much as breathed in their direction. And yet they stand around thinking that something they said is going to happen.“   
Haven’t you fantasized sheer nonsense? Aren’t your sermons tissues of lies, saying ‘God says . . .’ when I’ve done nothing of the kind? Therefore—and this is the Message of God, the Master, remember—I’m dead set against prophets who substitute illusions for visions and use sermons to tell lies. I’m going to ban them from the council of my people, remove them from membership in Israel, and outlaw them from the land of Israel. Then you’ll realize that I am God, the Master.
“The fact is that they’ve lied to my people. They’ve said, ‘No problem; everything’s just fine,’ when things are not at all fine. When people build a wall, they’re right behind them slapping on whitewash. Tell those who are slapping on the whitewash, ‘When a torrent of rain comes and the hailstones crash down and the hurricane sweeps in and the wall collapses, what’s the good of the whitewash that you slapped on so liberally, making it look so good?’
We heard Prov 3:5,6 repetitively as JWs, but I don’t recall verse 7 accompanying it:
Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
    and do not rely on your own insight.
6 In all your ways acknowledge him,
    and he will make straight your paths.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;
    fear the Lord, and turn away from evil.
If the database is a straight path imparting God’s wisdom, all JWs should have full access to it.  Yet, it is concealed for the obvious folly – stumbling blocks - that it holds. New JWs cannot be stumbled so quickly via the surface streets available to find “knowledge”!  Proverbs chapter 4 explains that as individuals, we are to seek the wisdom of God, and it is obtainable.  Over more than a century, the collective human organization still has not found the wisdom of God, and they never will. (Col 2:8;1 Tim 4:1;Rev 16:13-16)  Wisdom comes from obedience to God’s laws in Jesus Christ…to his word. (Prov 7:1;Jer 35:13;John 14:23; James 1:22)  They have broken these laws by teaching doctrine of men, and by many other atrocities they have committed. (Matt 15:9; 2 Cor 11:4; Gal 1:8,9)
Does their ability to conceal their secret library from the public as well as JWs, mean they believe they can hide their rotten fruit from Jesus Christ as well?  (Matt 7:7-29; John 15:1-11,16)
Mark well that God doesn’t miss a move you make;
    he’s aware of every step you take.
The shadow of your sin will overtake you;
    you’ll find yourself stumbling all over yourself in the dark.
Death is the reward of an undisciplined life;
    your foolish decisions trap you in a dead end.    Prov 5:21-23
 
Victory of Christ
 
 

This means you object to the information held by the Government? Do you usually give your private information, such as your address, social security number, phone number, to a stranger or anyone asking you for it?
Can I have your address, Date of Birth, and social security number, since you object to databases?
With this assumption you just made, can I have Pearl Doxsey's home address, phone number, social security number, DOB, etc.?
I assume, since personal data is a stumbling block to the 4Woman Group, you have that info.
Or are you going to renege and refuse to give me the information I'm asking for? If so, Why?
Do you have a database of all former Jehovah's Witnesses, or how about the database of the Vatican that you can share, since you OBJECT to private information held by ANY institution?
I must warn you, in the USA, it's against secular law to make such a breach of private information. But, I'm confident with your resolve, you won't mind spending 10 years in prison. Even for people convicted of murder. So, can I have that info? For internet access, it's called HACKING when someone obtains confidential or private information. They will give any person up to 30 years.
Maybe you, @Patiently waiting for Truth and all other former Jehovah's Witnesses, can band together and enjoy a good prison sentence for the greater good. 
That way we can finally have dirt on people that have fornicated, committed adultery, have homosexual tendencies, spousal abuse, have past convictions of rubbery, arson, assault, etc. Once again, your imprisonment would be for the greater to obtain certain information that is NONE of your business according to the bible 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12 and secular law.
Also, reference, John 21:20-22, Romans 14:4, 1 Peter 4:15
Now information that secular authority contends is for public safety, then you need to reference secular authority protocols, like finding the information of a person placed on probation for child porn. In the USA, States determine how certain information is given. For sex offenders, a database is collected and posted. With your argument, that database would be problematic for you.
Ironically, being placed on probation for CHILD PORN is NOT considered good enough to be placed in a sex offender database in some States. 

"riddled with opinions", said by a man who was never a JW, unlike the narrator of this video who happens to also be a past member of Bethel as well.  His first-hand exposure to the facts, is eye-opening.  
We are each allowed our opinions, but this video can be understood by any exjw, as evidence of hypocrisy by an organization that has kept its complete data base out of sight and access, from the general JW population.  This enables the organization to safely rewrite their history, which they have accomplished.  JWs are discouraged from seeking non JW material, but on the deeper layer of the online library, there is a list of "Non JW" material for the "elite" class to reference.  Does this mean that those individuals with access, are better in some way than the general JW?  No, It only feeds into their power over the lower class of JWs.  
Isa 29:15 - Woe to those who go to great depths to hide their plans from the LORD, who do their work in darkness and think, “Who sees us? Who will know?”
Being a JW, was like swimming in murky water, never clear of truth. (Ezek 34:18 ) These leaders have chosen to build their own cistern, not holding the living water of God and Jesus Christ, but based on the doctrine of men. (John 7:37,38; Eph 4:14; 1 Tim 1:3,4; 2 Tim 4:3,4; Mark 7:7) Their teachings, their "water", is not only poison, but cannot be held in a cracked cistern for very long, and the video has assisted in exposing  just one of its many cracks.  (Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; Jer 2:12,13; 9:3-6,15)
The "secret" online library is nothing but the doctrine of men - of false teachers/false prophets, who have deceived the "elect".  (Matt 24:24,25)
 
Mark of Slavery
 
 

THIS IS SO FUNNY when considering the actions of many Elders who act on instruction from the GB. 
The CSA cases that prove how the Elders hid Pedophiles in the congregations. And how those Elders threatened to d/fed anyone that made known the disgusting things of the ORG. 

Tell that to the CSA victims and those d/fed just because the Elders didn't like them. 
But then you think that war is ok in God's eyes, and that boasting about having a houseful of guns is good. Remember James, we know who you are and your past remarks. 
So, you serve this idol and it's 8 Leaders. And you believe that God and Christ approve of them telling lies and treading on the True Anointed ones.  You believe that God and Christ approve of false teachings do you ? 
So tell me, why would God and Christ want people to be stumbled by these wicked men ? 
Why, in these last days, when faith is so important, would God and Christ want the truth deliberately hidden ?
You seem to believe that GB when they call themselves the Faithful and Discreet slave. Well you must believe them if you write that the W/t are 'God's people'. 
But then you also love guns and you believe that war is ok with God. I don't think I will rely on your judgement any time soon. 
Remember James, those sharks you mention, there are just as many of them inside that fake Ark as there are outside. 

As usual, Dimitar, your understanding is agenda driven, and demonstratively faulty.
Charles Taze Russel was not speaking favorably about Satan …. He was speaking favorably about TRUTH.
Scanned copies of the first issue of the Watchtower are almost instantly available on the Internet. If memory serves, the article title is “What Is Truth?”.
As usual, you gave your disassociative diatribe BEFORE you read the article, and as usual were wrong and blusterous.
You could at least TRY to be funny. Occasionally that in itself is  inadvertently funny.
If sad and pathetic is what you were looking for ….. you NAILED it!
 

Here's the link:  https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
I've never heard of a secret portal only accessible for supposed elite "members" who read at a blog.  
There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.  Luke 12:2
 

Jehovah's Witnesses have a secret database in their online library full of questionable material they wrote. They "have nothing to hide" but keep access to this portion of the website under lock and key. What could be so bad that it needs to be hidden from their millions of followers?
 
 

I am a very 'simple' man of very basic upbringing. I only know English. Having gone through a bad time in my senior school years I just want to leave school and get a basic job. I have remained what i call working class, doing basic jobs and not needing to improve my educaton level. So I will probably continue to be 'not sure' of how YHWH should be written or pronounced. You see Arauna, if I do differently then what am i doing ? I am trusting 'men'. 
 
I agree. But in the model prayer, Jesus did not use a personal name for God. 
The Watchtower (1982)
The Model Prayer
The Model Prayer “You must pray, then, this way: ‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. Give us today our bread for this day; and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one.’”
I agree Jesus said "let your name be santified" but that brings me back to YHWH. 

The gb already stated they do not have the holy spirit, should they be disfellowsipped?

You might want to get your facts straight.  I have never "denounced" YHVH/YHWH.  I use it frequently.  And I have never denounced "Adonai", or "Abba", or the "Ancient of Days", or "Elohim".  It is not blasphemy to say the "Almighty God", or "Father" as Jesus did.  In fact your own bible uses the phrase "Almighty God".   If you think one is righteous for uttering the name "Jehovah", I feel very sorry for you.  
 

https://midwestoutreach.org/2018/02/01/is-gods-name-jehovah/
Is God’s Name Jehovah?
Jehovah’s Witnesses and other Sacred Name groups lit up the Internet last week when Religion News Service claimed, “The original Hebrew name of God re-discovered in 1,000 Bible manuscripts.” At first glance, it sounds like the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has perhaps been vindicated after all for inserting the name Jehovah into their New World Translation:
On January 21, 2018, Bible Scholar Nehemia Gordon and his team of researchers discovered the 1,000th Hebrew Bible manuscript containing the original name of God in Hebrew with vowels.
For two hundred years, scholars have believed based on Greek sources and conjecture that the Hebrew name of God was originally pronounced “Yahweh.” In late 2016, Gordon found never-translated traditional Jewish sources that explicitly identified the vowels of God’s name in Hebrew as “Yehovah.” This is similar to the English Jehovah, but with a “Y” and the emphasis on the final syllable.
This article, however, is more hype than reality. Nehemia Gordon is the leading light in a “revival” of a sect called Karaite Judaism. The Karaites originated in the late eighth century AD. They adhered, as do today’s proponents, to the written text of the Old Testament only, refusing both the Talmud and rabbinic traditions. They considered themselves purists, restoring true Judaism. They regarded use of anything other than the Old Testament as Pharisaism. Some of the Hebrew Roots Movement have been drawn to Gordon because he seems a bit friendly toward Jesus, yet he outright rejects the idea that Jesus is the Messiah.
But what are we to make of the article’s claim of manuscript evidence for this Yehovah pronunciation of God’s name?
Somewhere during the ninth and tenth centuries, a group called the Masoretes arbitrarily put vowels into the Old Testament text in an attempt to standardize pronunciations. The particular Hebrew Manuscript used was the text of ben Ashur. Until the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, it was the oldest Old Testament text we had, and every translation team of the newer Bible versions used it. Again, the vowels are arbitrary, put into the text to standardize pronunciation. Wikipedia notes something important:
It has been suggested that the ben Asher family and the majority of the Masoretes were Karaites.
The vowels were added by the Karaites.
The ben Ashur text – or most of it – is held by Israel. Some of it is lost. It is called the Keter (Crown) and is also referred to as The Aleppo Codex:
The Aleppo Codex (Hebrew: כֶּתֶר אֲרָם צוֹבָא‎ Keter Aram Tzova or Crown of Aleppo) is a medieval bound manuscript of the Hebrew Bible. The codex was written in the city of Tiberias, in what is currently northern Israel, in the 10th century C.E.
So, what we essentially have is a late Jewish restorationist movement (and you thought we only had that in “Christendom”), adding vowels to the Hebrew text and then claiming a newly discovered confirmation of the pronunciation of God’s name!
So, while the headlines may appear to be a breaking story of newly discovered information, it is not new, and the story is contrived. Realistically, how newsworthy would a headline be, reading “One-thousandth Copy of Tenth Century Hebrew Bible with Vowels Arbitrarily Added Has Been Discovered by the Sect That Added the Vowels”?
Like most Watchtower Society “proofs,” it provides no proof at all — just much ado about nothing.
 

As if I have never written here about Jesus? You know I have intensely concentrated on Christ, since you've read many of my comments.   How is it, that particular JWs on here have no problem spouting off lies?    When people have to rely on lies to cut down their opponent,  it shows that they have no other "ammo", but to slander.  Just like the governing body.
That's really okay.  It just amazes me how Jesus' words have been fulfilled in the last days.
 “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to them.
11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you and say all kinds of evil things about you falsely on account of me"  Matt 5:10,11
Meaning Yah Will Save, Yah Saves Etymology From (1) יה (yah), the name of the Lord, and (2) the verb ישע (yasha'), to save. Related names • Via יה (yah See the 'browse by form' menu for a long list of yah-names. • Via ישע (yasha' Abishua, Bar-Jesus, Bath-shua, Chemosh, Elisha, Elishah, Elishua, Hosanna, Hosea, Hoshaiah, Isaiah, Ishi, Jason, Jeshua, Joshua, Malchi-shua, Mesha, Shuah   https://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Jesus.html  

What is capitalism without communism, and vice versa? Both ideologies need their own enemy. And they found it in the other one.
Some say that Jesus was the “first communist” because he aspired to general equality (“you are all brothers”) and the abolition of all ideologies that oppress the weaker. 
As i understand "christian ideology", presented by WTJWorg and JW elders, they think how both ideologies, communism and capitalism are enemies of God and True Christianity aka JW members. So, in their eyes they are equal. 
Again, both ideologies need own enemy to feed their "bellies" and to seduce people. Similar as with religions. 
 

I'll take that to mind. These days I listen to radio, due to my job. I lean towards Blaze network and The Daily Wire. I also often take a peek at politifact. I used to be a Fox News fan until I heard this...
 

The first record of organized taxation comes from Egypt around 3000 B.C., and is mentioned in numerous historical sources including the Bible. ...(internet source).
Christian ideology/doctrine supports the tax system of the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus and the apostles, as can be seen from biblical quotations.
But, what this have with @ By Isabella's  topic?