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When I asked about the behavior, it responded in this manner:
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"The post you provided appears to be a question or statement from someone expressing confusion or frustration about why people would go to extreme lengths to falsify theories or make false claims, especially when they have locked posts. They also mention the biblical reference 1 Peter 3:16, which could potentially be related to their point, but it's not entirely clear how it connects.

dropping a deuce in a public stall, not flushing it, and crawling out from under the locked stall?

On 2/12/2023 at 5:40 PM, JW Insider said:

Thanks for that. I have had tinnitus for a few years now. Not a very bad case, but always there at the same frequency and same volume all the time. Good to know that it's being better understood.

I've used red light therapy.
https://www.tinnitusformula.com/library/is-low-level-laser-therapy-for-tinnitus-really-effective/
https://www.amazon.com/Luxe-LLC-BioNase-Sinusitis-Therapy/dp/B08M9ZHQM2
I break these apart and stick them in my ears.

I have another for my nose. Works good for allergies.

Whoever this moron is, it doesn't know what a rebuttal is.

Whateeever....

Whateeever....

@AraunaYou're right w/all you said above. My response to any of the "Nothing is Impossible for Jehovah" is rather all things that are possible, Jehovah can accomplish. It is not possible for Jehovah to make a square circle, because a circle is by definition not square. With regard to his "existence" in 3D land, Jehovah could animate a being to do and say what he would have him do or say (like Balaam or his ass) but he could never truncate his existence so as to be encapsulated by the kind of existence we humans experience. 

BTW a "discussion" has the idea of a give and take. It implies the willingness of those involved to alter their position. It suggests that the topic under "discussion" isn't settled in the minds of those "discussing" and a seeking after the truth in the process all the while not claiming to have laid hold on it yet.

I can imagine Jehovah sticking his "hand" up a meat puppet and animating it and I can imagine him doing the same with a so-called spiritual body, but what it is that is Jehovah is always and forever beyond encompassing the understanding by any creature. We can get the fringes of his ways and we can have our senses filled as well, but we might as well be climbing on our roofs to get a closer look at the moon for "getting a better look at Jehovah".

To me the big questions are what keep me up at night. 

"Why will the end come at any given time?"

I used to think I knew the answer. Now it seems silly that I ever did.

This is what I think of when we start talking about apostates.

All the parties involved are a bunch of ineffectual, fat corgi's.

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Please don’t overthink things. People generally do well to act on their first instinct.

My 1st instinct is to paste whatever they say here:
https://wordcounter.net/character-count

If it's too long then I know there's no point in trying to parse the letters into words.

https://www.cpr.org/2022/12/28/thornton-jehovahs-witness-murder-suicide-update/

28 minutes ago, Anna said:

 

Do you know why?

In both cases there were women involved. One was married recently and they were having issues that no one knew about. The pool incident was just a depressed young man who felt rejected by another sister (not her fault because he was frankly a bit odd).

Logically neither of these situations merited these responses, but having previous to becoming a JW known two other people who committed suicide, the idea that you can see it coming is incorrect. You never see it. Nothing ever rises to the level of "This behavior = a suicide". In fact both seemed cheerful the weeks previous, so after these I gave up the illusion that you can spot it. Sometimes it's just young men who have an impulse and then they act on it. I think that's more likely in these situations locally. When you get older you learn how to manage your emotions better. 

FYI - In my congregation we had two suicides, and our sister congregation had a couple who drove off to Florida and gassed themselves. One of the suicides was a fellow young elder and that was really hard and I didn't see it coming. The other one was a young man who took some sleeping pills and drowned himself. The couple I didn't know other than in passing and I got a mental vibe off them like there was something wrong with them before it happened. The young man who took some sleeping pills was a missed opportunity. I felt bad about him because he kept "making up" stuff to confess to and I tried to explain to him that the things he was doing weren't great, but didn't rise to the level of judicial intervention. At the time I was just really exhausted. I was working full time, pioneering, handling the school and I was just used up. I didn't have the band width to deal w/needy. Maybe I should have made room, but he had another brother who was doing OK and his parents and it's not like I was the only elder available. He wasn't even in my book study.

Other sources say these were former members. I'd be interested to find out more from anyone local.

35 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I think they’d call us liars for mistranslating, inserting a phrase that’s not there simply because we like it. 

You can say ‘a god’ or an adjective like ‘divine’ by handling the indefinite article as we do. You can say ‘God’ by botching the significance of the indefinite article. But by no stretch of the imagination can you say ‘Son of God.’ It’s not there.

You have to translate the Greek or Hebrew as accurately as you can, and then let that translation instruct you. You can’t do it the other way around—let your beliefs dictate your translating (as though you are instructing God). ‘Truth in Translation: Accuracy and Bias in English Translations of the New Testament’ by Jason Beduhn, examines John 1:1 in several translations and concludes only the New World Translation gets it right, translating in accord with the actual Greek. It’s most of the other translations that read their beliefs into the translating and thereby mess it up, he says. We never want to be like that. It’s dishonest. It’s taking liberties with the Word of God.

https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2009/06/scholars-bias-and-the-new-world-translation.html

I get his point, though in context it's clear that John's getting at Jesus divine, prehuman nature, not his taxonomic relation to Jehovah.

On 10/12/2022 at 9:22 PM, Pudgy said:

I agree with what you were saying, but looking at that particular scripture if you translate it Word for Word, would it actually say, Word for Word, how you personally interpreted it?

If you translated the Bible word for word, especially the Greek scriptures which had no punctuation, you'd have to interpret what it meant. You can't escape context. The problem is that the word "god" is used in the bible in many ways and you have to look at the context to understand how it's being used.

Take the word "evolution". It's been used in multiple ways, some of which I agree with and I can back up with real life examples (when it amounts to variation - micro) and some of which I can't back up or agree with (fish to philosopher - macro). 

"Do you believe in evolution?" Depends on what you mean by "evolution", could be yes, could be no.

"Do you believe Jesus is god?" Depends on what you mean by "god", could be yes, could be no.

@TrueTomHarleyDoesn't she realize how obsessively neurotic she appears? Even a worldly person would tell her she should get a life and that no one is listening. Can't apostates realize that they simply aren't needed any more? If anyone wants to find a catalog of errors w/regard to the WTBS or wants to find more apostate smut to get thrilled by, the internet is packed w/that crap. Now it's all just the background noise made by a degrading transformer.

...at the risk of being annoying, you never hear anyone say ...

"Well!, At least we've got it all right w/regard to the trumpets in the book of Revelation and what each mean. The rest of Christendom is stumbling in the dark about all that."

53 minutes ago, Witness said:

 I sent you right to the source of understanding with plenty of scriptural proof. (1 Cor 2:13,14) Now, if you were at a cart, witnessing, you would most likely send people with questions to your website, not necessarily because you couldn't explain the most recent "this generation" teaching (or could you?), but because all is written down for the interested one to read.   

In my opinion, you are not interested in spiritual matters, and that is your choice.  But when it comes to crap slinging, the organization has been slinging crap out its back door for over one hundred years. 

 

 

Spoken like an apostate chatbot. You're on permanent ignore as you have never said anything of value, nor will you ever.

27 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

I don’t read citations either.

it’s hard work, but the burden of proof is with a coherent self contained …. SHORT …. arguement. 

That’s why people watched the Muppets!

If there was a “running gag”, Kermit would tell you.

People who don't know what they are talking go on and on. They hope to rope-a-dope you into believing they actually said anything.

28 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

Witness …. Oh, so your grandmother also thought you about that game ….

I ask you a “yes or no” question.

You answer with 16 paragraphs.

I have to guess if that means yes, or no.

 

"It" can't answer because "It" is legion, and there are many in "It". Seriously P, the closest I've seen to demon-possessed are these kinds of apostates and some pentecostals I've run into in the field.

21 minutes ago, Witness said:

Very quick response, proving you didn't read the scriptures provided.

 

@WitnessIf you weren't full of crap you could go . This scripture means X.

But you can't because you're as blind as any of the pharisees of Jesus' day who imagined they could see when they are blind.