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@Witnessthat link brought zero enlightenment. It's just bulls*t spewed from some other person who hasn't a clue other than "listen to MEEEEE!".

So you admit you haven't the slightest clue as to the seven trumpets, but you show contempt for the spirit by spewing volumes of irrelevant BS. Yeah. Definitely fighting against Jehovah. You're done.

@WitnessI'll make it simple. In order for anyone to be convinced that you're capable of learning anything new about the bible, you have to state what you don't know and then go from there until you have some idea. Then you submit the same to others and see if they see the same thing or if you aren't reading things into scripture which aren't really there.

Take for example the trumpet blasts in the book of revelation. I know the current arguments from the society about these, but these don't work for me. I say to myself "A convention!?". Now I know the book of acts highlighted the anointing w/holy spirit on an arguably tiny number in a what the world would consider an inconsequential location, however this event IS part of the Bible, and for these and other facts I believe it was in fulfillment of scripture.

These trumpet blasts of revelation having their fulfillment in some conventions just doesn't have the same gravitas as pentecost, so I take the interpretations as speculation, not definitive fact.

So I say openly, that I'm not quite sure about any of that and I'm hopeful that with more study whatever I can learn about this will become clear over time.

You don't waste your time puffing yourself up as if you're needed to rescue people from some (in your view) false ideas.

Work on yourself.

I don't need to read much of what you spew, because it's the same old crap. You appear (I was going to say ARE) to be so incredibly full of yourself. Who else do we know who doesn't know how to be brief? Anyone who can't be brief needs to learn how.

TLDR is what people do with people who can't do that. Now Pudgy is great because he doesn't take himself seriously, but he does take ideas seriously and intersperses the same with humor - a great teaching tool. I think Jehovah is much more likely to listen to his prayers than a bloviating pharisee (whose chief complaint is that they aren't the HEAD pharisee)

@Witness What bothers me is your lack of contributing anything illuminating w/regard to the Bible.

When did you learn anything new? If you haven't learned anything new, you're dead inside.

46 minutes ago, Witness said:

Spoken like a devoted elder.  🙂  Acts 5:29

One more - Gal 1:10

Stop it with the whiny self-sparing behavior already!

@Witness No, you need to stop being lazy, and write it all down along w/your commentary explaining each verse. Hop to it.

@WitnessYou like to scribble, why don't you do something useful, like scribble out a verse by verse commentary on the book of revelation since you claim to have it all figured out.

No one has a coherent and believable narrative on the whole book of revelation. At critical points it all goes crazy conspiracy theory. 

What a maroon. No elder is judging a conscience. It's all about behavior. 

I'd say that Jehovah is the judge of whose conscience is in order. Anyone who disagrees is an ass.

To be really politically incorrect

11 hours ago, Witness said:

Really!  Are you serious?  Are you joking about God's word, which would be mocking God? 

I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from him who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another gospel, but there are some who are troubling you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, a curse be on him! 9 As we have said before, I now say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, a curse be on him!  Gal 1:6-9

If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound[a] words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, 4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, 5 and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.  1 Tim 6:3-5

 

You're full of yourself which isn't saying anything everyone else has already observed. You remind me of Mr. Coffee.

@C-D67

Did the apostles EVER tell a lie?

Did they EVER teach the doctrine of men?

Did they EVER appoint a date for Armageddon?

Did the EVER add to God's word?

Yes to all of these, and Jehovah had to clean up after them.

If your religion doesn't have remora-like apostates, it isn't likely the right one.

https://babylonbee.com/news/after-spending-month-teaching-from-movie-clips-church-wonders-why-nobody-studies-their-bible

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8 hours ago, Witness said:

Oh Pudgy.   

Do you believe the GB have similar traits as the Pharisees?

If yes, then why would God bless such an arrangement of worship today?

God certainly used the one available. Your response, like all of them are irrelevant.

...and Witness vomits more irrelevant paragraphs on cue...

Look it up you lazy bum.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Worshiping in sprit and truth does not require a religious organization.  As I've said before, if that's what you're looking for, you know there are plenty out there to choose from who offer at least "15 percent" truth and maybe more.

Jesus told her, “Believe me, woman, an hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem."

Neither here in this organization, or there, in that organization.

 "But an hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and in truth. Yes, the Father wants such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and in truth.”  John 4

A prophet appears in the last days to warn God's people of their sins. (Mal 3:1-4; Matt 17: 11; Rev 11:1-3; 14:6,7)  This person's goal is not to establish a religion, but to give an inspired warning and the understanding of this warning in Revelation.  (Rev 1:1)  We know there are no prophets from the past who established an organized religion.  Only what Jesus began building on his body, through the apostles and all anointed; is acceptable "worship".  (John 13:20)  

Pudgy, you should realize that any religion organized by men leads to corruption, yet  you seem to desire the same thing that you already have, no matter the message.  

 

 

 

You are so incredibly dense. It absolutely requires organization. The scriptures are clear on this. Your problem is that you don't want to subject yourself to Jehovah. You'd be like someone who insisted on burning incense to Jehovah when you weren't a Levite.

How I see the average apostate.

I'm far less concerned by some ink on paper than I am about 250k illegal aliens pouring across the border every month.

When I was in high school (in the 70's) there was this one black kid in my PE class these other two black kids were always picking on. I remember sitting on the wall outside the gym about six feet from the kid thinking "they should leave him alone" when he pulls out a stilletto and slices down from the wrist to the elbow of one of these kids and while they run away he chases them and stabs them in the back. It all happened in a heartbeat. No notes, no counseling, no conversation. Just shut up and go to your next class. I never saw these kids again.

I remember the 1st time I came to a KH w/my GF. I was an atheist at the time and this one family I didn't even know gave me the creeps. Like they all had cooties. I didn't even know who they were and hadn't been introduced and it's not like they did or said anything I can recall, but they just gave me the willies.

Later they all bailed. They were all creepy, creepy. Even the kids were creepy, like in a "we do weird sh*t at our house that no one knows about" creepy.

My thinking is that people who have some creepy demonic stuff going on with them can't handle being at a KH for long. It's like they're vampires and the holy spirit in the KH burns their skin or something.

42 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Relax, I’ll beat @xeroup later. I think you eat, drink, live, breathe, and perspire ‘anointed’ a little too much.

It's all gibberish Tom. I don't even bother reading any of it because the spirit in it seems demonic, though it may not be. It has the same feel as when I make the mistake of arguing with a pentecostal minister. I feel unclean afterwards and feel like I need to shower.