Dmitar

6 minutes ago, Witness said:

 But, there are true anointed who have been disfellowshipped for rejection the organization and its falsehoods. However, are those in the Wt "faithful anointed"?   That is the whole message presented in the post.  

Are you referring to people like Pearl Doxsey, and Raymond Franz? Do you think this modern day word "disfellowship" could have been applied to Judas?

7 minutes ago, Witness said:

I have given link after link to a "true" and "faithful" anointed, even in this post. She's there to answer questions. We have groups on facebook as well. 

When those people don't obey God's command that are subject to Christian conduct, according to Christ instructions, how can they be considered the true anointed?

55 minutes ago, Witness said:

Perhaps we should concentrate on the context around this scripture, which will describe the state of God’s chosen priesthood today. The anointed servants of Jesus Christ have abandoned his headship, to serve an evil slave and the slave’s idol/organization.

You should take a look at the context of Malacht. How does your characterization of Malachi be seen as an abandonment of headship, if by context, it stems from God's perfect gifts, 1 James 1:17, or Balaams second oracle in Numbers 23:19.

By providing spiritual food under the direction of scripture, how have they abandoned Christ core values?

5 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I left because of knowledge I'd gained through my own research. 

Was all your research based on facts, or hearsay documentation from other ExJWs?

5 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

This is a typical JW comment. Why ? Because JWs do not like it when a person choses to leave the JW Org for a very valid reason.  You know why i left. It was because of all the CSA in the JW org. 

There is nothing typical about CSA. However, there are true facts ignored by ExJWs, surrounding that institution you do not apply here. Therefore, those differences need to be known.

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

He acts like a God out of the Hindu pantheon.  Those ones with the frightening faces that do terrible things to human beings.

Is that what you are and speak through experience, fake witness and apostate?

14 minutes ago, Thinking said:

Stupid autocorrect…gets me in trouble a lot

Sometimes, autocorrect changes words entirely, and we miss it. Then people assume English is not your first language, 😏

Snapshot two!!

How can I have a scheduled surgery and somehow find out I didn't survive it? Ponders the mind! But, I guess after my resurrection on April 5, I will make one final post. 

1 hour ago, Thinking said:

I hope that’s not true too …I would be genuinely sad over that..

Glad you are not a party to his threat. However, now I have to prayerfully weigh in my options. 

57 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

mitar spends so much time and effort here, I highly doubt he has anything else going on in his life.

Hilarious, since you spend the same amount of time here. It's time for the owner to get a new mutt. 😅

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

Peter is NOT the rock or head of the church/ congregation. So I will kindly correct you.  Jesus was referring to himself when he said those words.... . Yes,

Then read the post again and correct yourself, Wow! Obtuse all the way. 🤪

"The apostles and the first century Christians gave their lives to build upon Christ foundation (Body of Christ)." 

"Who is the head of that Church, and who does it include, in building the body of Christ by its members?"

Are you that dense with trying to find fault, you blind yourself to what a question is?

Jesus told Peter after he answered the question that Jesus would build his congregation as a more solid rock. Therefore, my question was and still is, "who is the head of that church?" JESUS! That doesn't mean followers of Christ are excluded from building the Body of Christ, which is my point!!!

(Matthew 16:15-18) 15 He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did. 18 Also, I say to you: You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my congregation, and the gates of the Grave will not overpower it. . .
 

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

Observe how sensitive you are to any form of correction... then you call me  nasty..... but you revile others. I will not stand for you to treat other people like a bully  without showing you up for your behaviour. I am prepared to apologise when I am wrong...and . you will do well to learn some "humane" skills. You could become a skilful teacher..... but as jehovah says: the beginning of wisdom is the fear of jehovah. . 

You've been like that with me ever since you tried to correct me long ago when you were the obtuse one. Why should it change now that you are still wrong. Therefore, don't speak to me about behavior when you have a mountain to climb. As for bullying, strange you only cast lots on me, when @Pudgy and you are the same.  That's why you people don't have teaching skills because you've stopped progressing spiritually. 😏

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

Maybe you did not use the right words or you had it wrong. He is not God. ...... to give you such a severe judgment and treat you as if you intentionally mislead people is wrong.

That is something you obtuse people do here every time you post. No, I'm not God, just like you're not a JW. Deal with it. I do. Yet you have the Gaul to say I cannot teach because of the lack of patience when you don't either. 😅

29 minutes ago, Thinking said:

I can only read a little of what he says in your answer Arauna…..he is right…I was wrong…and I admit that..and I shouldn’t Have written it the way I did….so Ditmar…you are right…I must endure your whipping…it was deserved.

It's not a matter of being right or wrong. It's about learning scripture properly. As for the whipping part, I'm not a task master, nor your guardian. You promised God that you would be a faithful servant upon baptism and dedicate your life in God's service. The apostles and the first century Christians gave their lives to build upon Christ foundation (Body of Christ). Honor God, by demonstrating it to everyone with that dedication. And yes, Peter is the rock. Who is the head of that Church, and who does it include, in building the body of Christ by its members? So, what role does the saints and its members play in that Body?

Matthew 16:18-19 TPT I give you the name Peter, a stone. And this rock will be the bedrock foundation on which I will build my church—my legislative assembly, and the power of death will not be able to overpower it!

15 hours ago, Arauna said:

You are NOT qualified to teach as you do not have any patience and you have no kindness or love.

Wow! And you are, with that nasty patience? lol!!!😁😄😁

3 hours ago, Witness said:

"When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. For truly I tell you, you will not have gone through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes."  Matt 10:23

Who is Israel today? Where is "Israel" today?  Who needs to "get out of her MY PEOPLE?"  (Rev 18:4-8)

Yes, well, I like to apply scripture properly. But I'll bite, who is today's spiritual Israel. Can it be you cling to the old covenant like Today's Jew?

Mark 16:14-15

The Great Commission

14Later, as they were eating, Jesus appeared to the Eleven and rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned

How many times have you condemned your soul? Intellectually, you don't have the knowledge I possess. That's why I don't engage anyone here with word for word Linguistic understanding.

3 hours ago, Witness said:

What "kingdom" should be getting the "good news" of restoration, (Mal 3:1-3; Matt 17:11)  at the time of the Great Tribulation"?

As far as I can tell, many Christian denominations are spreading the gospel of Christ. For the visitor, who understands scripture better? I'm not referring to people here.

3 hours ago, Witness said:

"Israel" - the "kings of the earth" - the ANOINTED PRIESTHOOD - God's chosen holy people.   (Isa 43:10-12,22-28; Rev 1:5)

Then you have just denied Christ sacrifice to the Gentiles. That's one mighty judgment!

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Maybe, it's because he support an "institution" that does the same?  And you support it also, every JW (unless they are waking up) supports it. 

Hilarious😁! She's more on your side than mind. Let's not confuse one former apostate with a present one to the public.

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I've just proven by my previous comment that it is JWs that are too weak to remain loyal to YHWH. 

Every institution has weak members. They're some institution that don't mind those weak members, but did Jesus and the apostles? Some Christian churches now encourage homosexuality. There's a reason why a Church should keep their churches spiritually clean, it's called staying away from bad influence. Therefore, you have proven nothing.

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

That is why honest hearted people are leaving the JW Org, because the ones that remain in the JW Org are the ones that love the immorality and dishonesty. And JWs that are pretending those things don't happen are actually making themselves part of the problem. 

You got that backwards. You left the institution because of, false pretenses. If you look at the statistics, you'll find the majority of disfellowshipped members are due to being immoral and dishonest. You don't seem to get the concept of free will and choices. Is the Watchtower influencing or forcing people to have immoral behavior as you falsely accuse it, NO! That's just your obtuse observation. You are proof of the that dishonesty. Did your congregation disfellowship you in absentia? Most likely. Do you care, no! Does it matter if you care, no!

The day you want to relearn scripture, reach out and touch someone with bible knowledge.

NIV 1 Cor 5:9-11

9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 

You and witness posses one of these qualities.
 Why should any JW want to associate with you?

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

It would seem it is the Elders of the JW Org, along with the GB, that are the apostates, turning against YHWH and against Yeshua.  The people that leave JW Org are the ones guarding themselves against the sins of that Org. 

One day, you will convince a 6-year on this.

5 minutes ago, Witness said:

How many decrees has the GB set, explaining that they come from God, but are not decrees found in His word?

So, spreading the good news thought out the inhabitants of the world is NOT a decree for you? When did you loose, basic bible understanding, or are you now doing to argue that's a command. Word play, what a silly thing to use.

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

There is no 'narrow road' within the JW community.  There is, immorality, adultery, child abuse, idol worship of the GB and the org,

That's why you have millions of ExJWs that are too weak to remain loyal to God. God doesn't need weak-minded people to do the devil's work. He does just fine without you. The problem is, you're just too dumb to understand, it. Obedience is not high in your loyal compass. Yet you want to judge? LOL!!! 😅

Funny how you don't see what your actions are doing. 

They include the following: apostasy is a sign of the last days, is warned against repeatedly in the New Testament, impacts every major doctrine, is internal, knows no limits in terms of who becomes involved in it, can happen quickly, is satanically energized, is destructive, makes life difficult for the man of God, and can be guarded against. 😁

42 minutes ago, Arauna said:

I think you can then write more clearly - but I think you are so angry that your smartness is hidden. Ordinary folk like me do not see it.

If you think you need to justify your behavior and action by qualifying others, Then it doesn't matter if you see something you never will. As for writing more clearly, I do my best to keep it simple that even a 6-year-old could understand. If I get simpler, I'd have to use crayons and pictures like @Pudgy. That would be contrary to spiritual maturity by staying as a spiritual child.

40 minutes ago, Arauna said:

Accusations my dear.   I did not intend to defend her.  Another misassumption on your part. You know very well who is the father of false accusations. 

The good thing, I didn't accuse you of anything. You made an assumption, a bad one, which you still deny. Heed your own words.

42 minutes ago, Arauna said:

think I could  have have a pretty good debate with you about the universal laws of Jehovah by just using the Mosaic law and universal principles taught by Jesus - but I would not risk the nastiness.  You are NOT qualified to teach as you do not have any patience and you have no kindness or love. If I could learn something from you - you are sure to go and mess it up with total loss of self-control regarding accusations and reviling. 

How could God's laws be interpreted differently if man and angel are governed by the same heavenly principle? Man's laws defined SIN, which the angelic realm had not experienced until Satan. The Angels knew full well the difference between good and evil. However, no sin had been made until man was subjected to it. Then God "defined" his laws for all.

3 minutes ago, Arauna said:

That is love my dear.  We are supposed to love our enemies. No mission one sets for yourself can be more important than love.... Read 1 cor 13.... the first few verses.  If we cannot love our neighbor then we cannot love God whom we cannot see.

True, I'm not denying the greatest commandment, which is love God first, then others. Something that is lacking here with God. If you understand it, apply it in your life, since you are dealing with apostates here, that once understood that principle.

Mark 12:28-34

New International Version

The Greatest Commandment

28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[b] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”

Good, it should, like I said, no one here gets to know. Therefore, if you want to characterize it as evasion, then it's not my problem.

Perhaps in a cartoon world. A committee bears great responsibility.

55 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

No word problems. I agree that we can find a terminological and practical difference in - a different law and a special law. But I would like to continue commenting on "different" laws.

As long as you understand, that angels and man are governed by the SAME laws, God's laws as written in scripture. So, there should be no confusion over terminology. So, NO! The Angels don't have a different set of rules. The heavenly body obeys the same standard of laws as man. Remember Genesis.

(Genesis 1:26) 26 Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth. . .
 

(Genesis 3:22) 22 Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live forever,. . .
 

The angles already knew from good and evil. That's something God didn't want man to experience, but they did with the devil's help. Meaning, God's laws were governed by heaven, and the angels were already aware of them.

Therefore, both man and angels were created perfect, and now both angels and man will receive the same judgement for sin, through God's laws.

55 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

here is even a difference between the law for Adam and Eve and the law for their offspring regarding sin. Adam and Eve sinned (disobedience to God) and according to the WTJWorg interpretation have no cover through Jesus ’sacrifice.

Why would you think there are a different set of rules for sin? Now the latter, When was Jesus sacrifice made in order for those before him could have benefited, from it?

5 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

Oh well … I thought it was a very reasonable conclusion, since you said Fred Fran’s was your teacher …

Why would that make a difference? Being taught by a fine educated bible none scholar, doesn't mean they have to submit

to a minimal congregational responsibility. We work with the gift God has granted.