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2 minutes ago, Witness said:

I know nothing about the Unitarian Church only a little from your posts that I may have read,  or about your "Biblical" Unitarianism.  I am asking "Somehow, you have decided you are a Preacher by perhaps your own labeling; or, did others give you that label?"  You are a man who loves labeling people, and beliefs.  So where did your label derive from?

This depends on what he has alluded to in the past, versus what @JW Insider implied and seconded by him in, recent post. There's a bit of confusion with those scenarios.

But really, how hard is it to distinguish a Unitarian, a Unitarian Church, and a Universalist? Mainly, the argument about trinity. 

18 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Thank you for your reply. And it seems more natural and accurate to me that JWs consider themselves followers and disciples of Christ. I think that's what other Christian denominations conclude about themselves too.

True, but how many in Christendom are led by God's Holy Spirit, if those other denominations don't condemn homosexuality and welcome it, even to its clergy, and killing of others in times of war. How many Elders do you personally know that has cleansed an individual for their sins by hearing their confession?

There's a reason why scripture mentions false prophets. How would a false prophet influence a Christian Church?

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Did women look after sheep, goats ... in ancient time of OT?  

Were the Shepherdesses only to female sheep and goats?

Since many things changed under God's law in the New Testament, which shepherdesses are you referring to, that can be applied in modern time, by applying God's written word?

Are you in the same conviction with Bible Scholars that believe the "Samaritan woman" was a Shepherd, more so than an example of good will?

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Why your objection that others have the wrong mindset, when you yourself are advocating the wrong attitude about women and claiming that God has an unchangeable Order. Well there is no immutable. He revoked the Order from OT and placed another Order through NT. And change will continue to happen.

Does this mean, the Watchtower should adopt women as earthly priest, just like the Australians overseers suggested? I believe the Watchtower answered that silly question. 

4 hours ago, Witness said:

This is "refuted" according to your view of the scriptures, which is elementary, not spiritual.  Your word is not "law".

This is hilarious, what makes you think your words are? 😉😂

4 hours ago, Witness said:

It sounds to me like you have either misunderstood, or twisted someone's words deliberately.   

It keeps getting better with humor. 

4 hours ago, Witness said:

Anyone who walks in his footsteps, any anointed chosen to serve only he and the Father, will also be considered by the majority of their people, as "accursed",

How do you square this gem with the prosecution of the apostles, and better yet the followers of Christ? Are you suggesting their persecution were and are meaningless since you only recognize Christ and God? 

5 hours ago, Witness said:

Two people can look at the same scene with two different perspectives.  Jesus’ perspective was heavenly, spiritual, inspired. 

Does this mean, those that apply scripture in their lives aren't heavenly directed, spiritual, or inspired? How can an ExJW be seen as a pharisee by Bible manipulation? Who inspired those authors of the Bible, if it didn't come from Heaven?

Therefore, it is true, you can have many perspectives to an argument, but only those that see scripture properly with its context and intent have the benefit of God's inspired word.

How do you justify quarrels and strife under that perspective, under Christ? How can people calling themselves an anointed? Are you saying those anointed are above God's Law?

Remember, Jesus was setting a Precedence with the formation of Christianity, which we now have as God's written word. What "part" of scripture should people disapprove of, so they may live a Christian life according to your standards?

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It would seem a poster here has the same writing skills as Pearl Doxsey under a certain account. 😂😜😏

What will that group think of next to distort the bible with kind words, just like @JW Insider 🤗

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

So doesn’t God support gender equality when He promises "144,000" that they are all kings and priests regardless of gender? What they will be in heaven (or on earth) with Christ? Male, female or both or neither?

Are you referring to equal before God, or are you referring to equality among humanity? If you mean the latter, that equality is displaced by homosexuality, which scripture rejects.

So, do you believe God should have homosexuals in mind?

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Do you support the idea that all JW members are “uninspired prophets” in any context of the meaning of that word? And would a more modern name ("Jehovah's Prophets") suit them better today in this present modern era, than the one given to them by Rutherford in the past?

Why are labels so important to you? If anything, Christians should continue what scripture states about being disciples and followers of Christ.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

It amazes me that Rutherford was not familiar with this precise and common knowledge about terminology, because the new name, from 1931 onwards, would have sounded better like "Jehovah's Prophets". But when you explain to us the difference between an “inspired” and an “uninspired” prophet then I see where Rutherford’s place is

I guess it's also amazing how former Jehovah's Witnesses manipulate a subject without knowledge and terminology. Especially when interjecting modern thought to the past.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Yes, I am aware of this flip-flop about using this particular term i WTJWorg publications.

You mean the flip-flops ExJWs use with the WT and Bible Student literature as text manipulation?

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

they are “Normal Prophets” with flip-flop doctrines and understanding with variable knowledge of unimportant things.

This is funny coming from a person that lacks understanding. 😂

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If all “normal prophets” are equal, then most JWs have acquired the same spiritual level because of which there is no need for elders to act as teachers and pastors. However, you do not acknowledge that a woman can be on the same spiritual level as a man, but that only a man is in the position of a shepherd.

Reference the above. 😂

@Srecko Sostar, you seem to tamper down until you see the ignorance of others to lash out. How is that not a flip-flop with emotions?

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Granted they are Restorationist and maintain their roots, this is something that are known for, mainly if you are aware of how Restorationist be it group or not, operate.

What is the difference between a reformer and a restorationist? How would you compare the Watchtower with those labels?

4 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

As for Biblical Parables, I haven't mentioned any in this thread. But if we had to pick a Parable, especially concerning the notion of Prophets, perhaps the Parable of the Ten Virgins, concerning those awaiting for the return of the Christ, for, Christians are aware of what the Commission represents, and who gave command to it, as is when it is to end is up to the Lord to give his say on.

A not inspired prophet, or in this case, a normal prophet is encouraged by God's Word, if not, even moved by it. They show and express a genuine love for God and are moved to take action, just as those of old and our church fathers have. They are guided by God by means of influence and thinking, and our speech as with actions by means of the power of His Spirit and His Word, as can be evident by Matthew 13:11, 24:14

Unfortunately, when you mention Matthew 13:11 that's what you are insinuating with the context, thus the need for clarification. How does the mysteries define a not inspired prophet through parables?

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Todays Christians are Prophets Not Inspired, spirit led to process the Great Commission of which the Christ commanded.

You might want to clarify this position with a better understanding with the words "prophet" and "inspired" with how the great commission continues.

Remember, a person continuing that commission is using the inspired word of God, not as a prophet, but as a disciple of Christ.

There also needs to be a clarification on the phrase, Prophet not inspired. It would be helpful to explain what you mean about "the purpose about the parables."

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

especially because we are ALL participants of debates under JW Open Club

Then, why subvert the Watchtower literature? How is manipulation part of a good debate? It makes for a sad argument, but not for a debate.

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Your original  objection was about the plants (roses). The answer was related to that type of objection.
............. People? There is never peace with them. People are too (radio)-active by themselves, on their own.

The example was made to your comment about roses. Can anyone enjoy roses in those areas? You seem to forget what you posted about JOY! 

How should one interpret your intent if you yourself confuse it.

7 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Not to mention propaganda affiliation. But as pointed out, not many is keen on research and will often eat up what the MSM says to them.

Not to mention, people don't understand the intent of an example when it's made. That's sadder than not doing a proper research before they post. However, people here are already complacent to how others deal with assumptions.

3 hours ago, Witness said:

Yes, the anointed.

Where does that leave the rest of Christ followers that contribute to Christ Church? 

4 hours ago, Witness said:

the priesthood (1 Pet 2:5,9) has been usurped by an elder body - a strong army that cannot be questioned. 

Can you expand on this thought? When the anointed receive their heavenly reward (Sinless State), how can the anointed as imperfect earthly representatives not be questioned, much as Jesus questioned Peter's spirituality? How would Judas be given such privilege? 

Therefore, are you referring, when the anointed ascend to heaven, or are you referring about building one's spirituality in order not to be judged unrighteous. There are conditions to righteousness, 1 Peter 2:1-2

Yet, the manner an anointed can be questioned is when that person stumbles, or by disobeying the message. 1 Peter 2: 7-8, much as a follower of Christ can.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Vast areas of land in Ukraine and Belarus remain off limits due to radioactive contamination, but plant life in these areas is flourishing (Credit: Getty Images)

Does this image prove people can enjoy life within that flourishing area?

3 hours ago, Witness said:

The last "Elijah", based on one "witness" that was seen with Jesus, also declares the need for God's anointed people to repent.

This statement also needs clarification. Are you referring to the anointed only, or God's chosen people?

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Confused about such claim. 

Then it should be a point for you to research as not confuse such claim. Perhaps by reading the full article.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Let see how.

An idea can simply be people dancing around a fire in a festivity while they enjoy that festivity. However, how can you apply scripture? By understanding the intent of certain literature when they apply it with scripture in mind.

NIV John 15:5-8

5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. 8 This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

NIV John 15:11

11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Ah well. If we want more joy, we must add more:

-money to our bank account

-books in our library

-roses in our garden

.......... etc.

That is logic?

Commonsense should dictate, scripture is meant toward spirituality, not materialism. What does scripture say about such logic? I can think of several, how about you? Hebrews 13:5, 1 Timothy 6:9-10

What benefit would a person receive if they read the Satanic Bible?

Anyone can appreciate more roses in the garden. Do you think roses grow in Chernobyl, and Fukushima?

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

Some were cast to Earth along with Satan, others were locked away in Tartarus, imprisoned until the time of Judgment, of which Jesus himself gave such a message to them.

There should be a clarification for better understanding with this statement.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If we have a “sinful nature” then the influence of evil angels is in the background. They are not the cause of our evil actions.

This is a choice every one needs to make. We are imperfect (sinful), but do we need to "act" upon that sin, negatively? We give ourselves justifications and excuses for our behavior. That's why the application of the inspired word is vital, so we don't succumb to such temptations of being weak.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

SM claim demons are active. What are the proportions/ratio, between/of our nature and their evil presence, when we as people doing bad things?

With everything you see around you, how can you disprove demons are not active? People with weak minds can easily be influenced by evil.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Well I understand the difference that WTJWorg presents. By the 1st century some people could be “inspired” by God. After the 1st century, no one is “inspired” anymore. 

This is what WTJWorg teach. Today GB say how they and no single JW are "inspired" but only "guided". 

This is why, the word definition needs to be correctly understood with the inclination toward spirituality.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

They do not claim that the "fruits of the spirit" are created under "inspiration", but that they develop with the effort of the individual through keeping the principles and reading the Bible and praying to God.

Then a better understanding of what God's Holy Spirit is and how it's received should be the point of order.

*** ws18 February, pp. 29-30 Joy—A Quality We Acquire From God ***
Can a Christian who is already joyful get even more joy? Jesus said: “These things I have spoken to you, so that my joy may be in you and your joy may be made full.” (John 15:11) This shows that we can always get more joy. We can compare our joy to a fire. If we want a fire to get hotter, we must add more wood to it. Remember: Holy Spirit helps us to have joy. So if we want more joy, we need to keep asking for God’s spirit through prayer. We must also keep meditating on the Bible, which was inspired by the Holy Spirit.—Psalm 1:1, 2; Luke 11:13.
 

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

From this it can be concluded that HS determines what it will give to whom in form of "gifts". There are no such limits to the "fruits of the spirit", but everyone in congregation is called to overcome sinful desires replaced by "fruits".

Then you are confusing the issue.

15 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Are you suggesting that "good" angels do not communicate with people, but that only "evil" ones are allowed to "approach" people and seduce them?

You should reacquaint yourself with learning to understand scripture again.

NIV Gal 5:16-17

16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17 For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want.
 

3 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If we are going to rely on WTJWorg theology, then man cannot "receive" HS, but only be "guided" or "motivated" to do / speak something (or be stopped from doing / saying something).
The effect ( to be guided/motivated) is achieved, as far as I understand the interpretation of WTJWorg, after the individual reads the Bible a lot, strives to work according to biblical principles and prays to God for help.

Then you never understood the Watchtower Literature or the bible. What you are saying, God "guided" the apostles even though they received the spirit of God to heal and raise the dead. To a Christian, those abilities are more than guidance. Therefore, a Christian will understand the difference between, direct and indirect.

8 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

"Receiving" gives the impression that we have come into possession of something because we have received it from someone. But to receive HS includes the active side of the Giver, and that would be God. However, as WTJWorg teaches, this kind of "receiving" ended in the First Century. 

Therefore, you believe the Watchtower is conveying, god's Holy Spirit stopped after the first century, is this correct? Can you give me an example of this?

10 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Every “receiving” of HS from God includes, according to the Bible as far as I remember, supernatural action and a supernatural manifestation that is, in fact, visible to humans.
There is nothing supernatural about reading the Bible, praying to God, and trying to apply certain principles in one's life.

There are 2 separate distinctions here. What does reading the bible have to do with a supernatural event given by God? Are you saying, God doesn't have the ability to send an angel as a messenger to whomever he wants, just because we are not in bible time? Once again, what's the difference between direct and indirect?

15 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

There is nothing supernatural in the WTJWorg doctrines or in the JW's virtual worship in the past two years.

This is a none responsive comment from a former Jehovah's Witness, pointless, since there needs to be a correct understanding of God's Holy Spirit.