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2 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Are you talking about the past? And what is the range of that past (BCE to CE) when angels came to earth as messengers?
If you are talking about the present, are you claiming that angels are transmitting news to people today? 

How does a person receive God's Holy Spirit?

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

but as of recent, Google has done a bit of scrubbing, so you have to be more detailed in the search. Normally if I look up the thread name, it is the first pick, but after the last 3 months, it has been moved to pages, and eventually, a detailed/advanced search must be done.

Any topic related to this site is open to the public in various forms. Google is just one of them.

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

I have done so, even in her original thread. However, the adoption of Mainstream concepts concerning such Prophets, she thinks otherwise, as do most people who do not truly know the difference.

If that's your observation, then more is needed.

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

still the Mainstream is like that of an enemy that does not know it is put down. Granted the fight between both factions persist,

I understand you wish to contribute with, general observations. However, we are dealing with this specific site and people here with distorted understanding of scripture and other institution's literature.

We should use whenever possible other literature to convey or to show similarities, however, the adjustments need to be made here, by responsible people, not people that just want to win with their falsehoods and manipulation.

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Yes I am aware of that, but in the fight for Bible Translation, people were indeed attacked, killed for it. And by whom, the side who took favor with Roman Emperors.

Point being, God has not allowed his inspired word to be subverted by man. Man can attempt it by Satan's influence, but it will never be tampered enough that responsible people can't see the difference.

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

True, likewise with knowing those today vs the time of when John was alive.

This is why a "seer" can be inspired by God even though that person is not a prophet. A prophet can be both, but not vice versa. Therefore, It wouldn't matter if there is no prophet after the last apostle died. God will still use responsible men to fulfil the prophecy, with a worthy individual Full of God's Holy Spirit, or a seer with God's grace specifically dedicated to a certain task.

People overreach with their assumptions about the phrase supernatural. The angels are in heaven. Anything they do is supernatural. If God sends an angel to earth as a messenger, that's supernatural, but in a good and positive way. 

Satan's influence on earth is a bad and negative observation of the supernatural.

NIV 1 John 2:15-17

15 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For everything in the world — the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does — comes not from the Father but from the world. 17 The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.

NIV Matt 24:4-8

4 Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains. 2022/2023

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

The thing is they do hang out in the main page, which is outside of this club. In the past, visitors had the ability to speak their peace, but not anymore, they can come to this club and after a few clicks the club is blocked. 

Actually, all a person needs to do is google a topic, and they can freely see the discussion. You are talking about those with access to these sites to post. Therefore, it's not that closed or blocked as you suggest. Just like the example you just provided, with your link coming from the same forum.

I can be banned from posting, but I can search for topics with Google.

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

True, a Spirit Led Prophet and or Christian, I mentioned this. Likewise with the counterpart, those who are influenced by the Devil who assume their experience is of God, when it isn't. The very reason I quoted Galatians 1:1-11's point to Witness.

Then, this should be your main point when you argue with @Witness. Once again, a visitor doesn't necessarily see the full intent of a post, once the topic switches to many unrelated topics to the original post.

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Yes, but this also treads beyond Catholicism, i.e. PEAK, KAIROS, etc. who believe they can heal and cleanse.

The fact such False Prophets exist also causes people to be confused of who is and who isn't a False Prophet in most cases, especially if the latter is heavily involved with Babylon the Great.

This example was meant to go toward intent. This is an easy way to show how a person can become a false prophet.

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Although Bible Tampering was a thing, even winning out, there were people who fought to protect God's Word and Translate the Bible with the earliest sources known compared to those who have violated Deut. 4:2. Some where even killed for it, i.e. William Tyndale.

Not just in that time. Jewish scribes had fear, if they distorted God's word, they would be punished by God. A reason, they didn't use God's  real name as not to receive retribution for using God's name in vain. The thing is, it wasn't meant to be erased from scripture, it was meant not to be used by a false tongue. Some schools of the law (thought) also feared those with authority. They didn't want to offend those Gods and receive the wrath of those in authority.

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Yes, and due to that, such ones discover the truth concerning Bible Translations, as is the sources. Coming to the realization of the actions of Mainstream Christendom has fooled them.

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

When they find truth concerning the Bible, yes.

 

This is why it's important to bring the discussion of the word "inspired" to its proper context.

I appreciate True productive Christians, not sideshow clowns. I also don't appreciate people trying to correct me without correcting themselves first. Bible knowledge goes a long way.

Learn the difference if you are a Christian! That's what, proclaimer of the truth means.

The other, didn't someone just mention not to directly answer, certain people here (We Won't Mind)? Make up your minds. You make yourselves seem mentally challenged.

When Jesus and the apostles, when they spoke about the written word; how many times did anyone see them joking about it, or injecting humor into their conversations?

Yes! There is a time and place for joy and happiness, but NOT at the expense of driving away a potential follower of Christ. Especially in this day and age. 

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

The alluding was quite obvious, as for where I quoted myself. It came from a thread concerning False Prophets.

There are variables when it comes to the word inspiration. While it would be unconscionable for a Christian to think they are NOT inspired by the word of God, a Christian can also be influenced and inspired by the devil in order to become his false prophet. We see that every day here.

I have no doubt a true Christian won't believe a Catholic Father has the ability to forgive "sin" as they advertise, thus making them false prophets for suggesting such a literal cleansing of the soul when Jesus didn't even do that with Lazareth. Meaning, Lazareth didn't wake up a perfect man (sinless state).

However, this doesn't mean, God with NOT give guidance to those he chooses to be worthy to receive such gift.

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

I quoted the Word to be inspired several times, however, there was a time Bible tampering did exist and they had won out, only for Textual Criticism to come into play. That is why I told Srecko the following concerning early and later sources.

Do you think, God has allowed his inspired word to continue in darkness and corruption? Don't you think, that's a good reason for someone to receive an exact understanding with his written word by God's Holy Spirit? That would mean God has inspired someone, worthy.

This understanding about the word inspired needs to be retuned to a proper spiritual meaning.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

That being said, most visitors, well now, tend to stick around the main part of the forums granted they have little to and or limited access to see anything mentioned here.

That's the point about the visitor. Let's not make it confusing for them by confusing ideologies. 

Then learn about the differences between a seer and a prophet that are being misrepresented here. Give something to the visitor they can really use as truth and knowledge. 

11 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

But I left them with a question to name someone who is indeed inspired, and still, no answer was given.

So, you don't believe the bible is the "inspired" word of God just to remove yourself from your error like @JW Insider How does this gem square with people using a false tool in Christianity, then?

This is no a joking matter. That's why people don't learn from fools.

4 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Although alluded to Seers also, I believe this was said concerning those who are under God's Will and Purpose.

But as mentioned, the latter adhere to the Mainstream Ideology, which does not reflect with what is written, nor the history itself concerning Christianity.

Then you should mention the differences instead of telling the visitor there is no such thing as spiritual gifts when you are talking about literal abilities. To different issues.

Think people.

Otherwise, why would scripture mention in Acts 6:3

Brothers and sisters, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them New Living Translation And so, brothers, select seven men who are well respected and are full of the Spirit and wisdom.

Does this mean they possess the same spirit?

How about Matthew 24:45

Matthew 24:45, NIV: "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?

Do people honestly believe they shouldn't be under a different gift as responsible people?

2 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Although a Seer and a Prophet are similar in some aspects, they are different, but if anything, a Seer is mostly the type to discern things. Another thing to note is that in olden times Prophets previously used to be referred to as Seers.

Now put this into intent within spirituality.

3 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

True, there are many who claim to do the same thing, to have the ability to heal when it is untrue, mostly staged.

You're talking about physical abilities. No one today has those abilities to heal and to raise the dead. Does that mean, God does not give anyone spiritual insight?

You of all people here should have the intelligence to understand what is meant by different gifts.

The ignorance everyone here is portraying is, between literal and spiritual. Proverbs 1:23, John 7:39

6 hours ago, Thinking said:

Mathew  5 :22

But I say to you but that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council and whoever says ‘you fool’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Your abuse and the fact that Satan is laughing his head off about you fighting with and causing dissension  amongst Jehovahs people..I have no alternative but to step away from you via blocking such behavior.

 

You just proved your own judgment, and yes! Satan is laughing his head off with apostates like you in my institution. I blocked you long ago. Once again, stop being "obtuse" and heed your own advice.

I guess I should ask all the fools here, not just witness.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SEER AND A PROPHET?

1 hour ago, Thinking said:

Then follow instructions and stop talking to me and the others ..we won’t mind .

You're the woeful fool that keeps responding to my post. Be smart like @TrueTomHarley thinks you are, and heed your own advice, or does that D'fd @Pudgy your friend needs to draw you a cartoon? 

It is also hypocritical for you to be opposing and arguing with former Jehovah's Witnesses like @Patiently waiting for Truth, @Srecko Sostar, @Matthew9969, @Witness. You people should be supporting each other. Show the love among your ranks. 

Remember, Jehovah does mind fools using his name in vain, much more using it as false prophets.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

I gave scriptures that proves there would be a prophet to come to God's chosen priests, in the last days. 

Once again, what's the difference between a seer and a prophet?

5 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Acts 2 : 17, in my opinion, will have a much greater fulfilment when the True Anointed Remnant are given a boost of Holy Spirit from YHWH through Yeshua.  

Can I ask what you believe implies with the context is in Acts 2:17? Peter preaches to the crowd!

Now, can Joel 2:28 be applied long with the proverbs in Proverbs 1:23. How about 1 Corinthians 12:10, 28

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

On what basis do biblical scholars explain religious concepts? Based on the text, I guess. Or based on their personal spiritual feeling? Who should give the text to the scholars? Translators and linguists, I guess.  Historians and archaeologists could provide additional information about people and events from the time when the events in the text took place.

It starts with the linguist. Those that are capable of translation. However, you need not be a scholar to achieve that goal. For the same reason, when something new is found in archaeology, revisions are made if it's necessary to revise the understanding of the writing intent of a particular author. Comparisons are made to justify the context.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If there are translations that translate some things (very) differently, then the problem is where? In translation teams? Or in readers and interpreters?

This would be a good reason to leave translation to scholars and people with excellent bible knowledge, not someone trying to interpret someone else's interpretation. This is why linguist is important.

55 minutes ago, Witness said:

About prophesy, none of us should say with "absolute certainty", that prophesy has ceased.  If we do, we have exalted ourselves above the power and ability of the Father.  We are suggesting that we know His plan. 

Just like the prophets and seers of old, do you think God has stopped giving humanity that same ability if things are still ongoing as you state?

Would you recognize a "seer" if he was showing you a sign?

10 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And she is right, seems to me.

Do you think @Witness knows Greek and other languages to give a proof positive on translation? 

Matthew. The way to look at it is, one size doesn’t fit all. Each circumstance is different. This also goes toward how the public views the Watchtower. Do you think the Watchtower includes, fundraising and distribution, like other religious organizations?

While anyone can support another with relief, it is up to that individual. When, the Watchtower was asked if any of its members could use additional food subsidies under the pandemic relief, the Watchtower agreed to that distribution, just like other institutions. The government asked the churches to personally distribute the food to its most vulnerable members.

However, you have organizations such as the RED CROSS that have additional services. The Watchtower is not sanctioned for those types of services.

The name charitable institutions can be misleading. There are different levels of charity, such as the Vatican. The Vatican has just begun to mobilize a group of Vatican overseers to support Ukraine this month. So, the relief is slow in coming from other places. Therefore, charities have a different status.

So, if anyone in a war-torn nation is helping, it’s being done out of the goodness of their hearts. There’s nothing wrong with showing compassion and love to others, regardless of religion.

Just keep in mind, there are also people that like to take advantage of a situation to cause harm or to defraud. People in this day and age cannot go into a situation without some caution.

*** w03 6/1 pp. 3-4 What Is Happening to Charity? ***

Giving to charity is generally considered to be a virtue. Yet, not everyone sees it that way. Over 200 years ago, Samuel Johnson, the English essayist, wrote: “You are much surer that you are doing good when you pay money to those who work, as the recompense of their labour, than when you give money merely in charity.” Some today have similar reservations, and reports of charitable organizations that are mishandling or mismanaging donations do little to bolster public confidence. Consider two recent examples.

A director of a religious charity in San Francisco was dismissed after allegedly billing his agency for his cosmetic surgery and for his $500-per-week restaurant bills over a period of two years. In Britain, organizers of a major television charity event were embarrassed when it was discovered that out of 6.5 million pounds (about $10 million, U.S.) sent in to help build new orphanages in Romania, only 12 substandard houses were ever built, and hundreds of thousands of dollars went unaccounted for. Negative reports like these have rightly caused some donors to become more cautious about how much they contribute and to whom.

*** w06 1/1 p. 3 Good Surrounded by Evil ***

IN TODAY’S world, it may seem that few people are willing to give of themselves. Some, however, still wish “to make a difference”—to do good to others in some way. Each year, countless numbers of people give billions of dollars to what they feel are good causes. In Britain, for example, donations to charity reached a record $13 billion (U.S.) in 2002. Since 1999, ten generous philanthropists have given or pledged more than $38 billion (U.S.) to help the needy.

Some of the good works accomplished by charitable workers include paying for the medical bills of low-income families, mentoring children of single parents, funding immunization programs in developing countries, giving children their first book, supplying breeding animals to farmers in poor countries, and delivering relief supplies to victims of natural disasters.

The foregoing facts show that humans have the capacity for doing good to others. Sadly, though, there are also people who commit unspeakably evil acts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/personalfinance/fraudsters-exploit-ukraine-crisis-to-steal-money/ar-AAVd7ji?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

I personally know how the Salvation Army works. For every “dollar” they get from a donation, 78 cents are spent on wages and housing for its high-ranking officials. The rest is used for services and material. The Salvation Army uses the same ranking system as the military. So, A Major would receive a personal home in the location he/she is serving along with a salary. How much do you think, the support from the Salvation Army, is being used in Ukraine with that outcome in donations?

I’m shocked that JWinsider has NOT intervened with the misconception coming from JWs here about what scripture actually states about the “support” of our fellow man, just because he prefers his kind of JWs here to continue in ignorance, with that ideology of “witnesses first.” Can it be he doesn’t target them even though he follows them? Like, he mentioned getting a flag or signal from my post? Only to justify he’s personal bad behavior of only wanting to correct me, instead of correctly himself and others? A person that lacks bible understanding, much less apply it for others to consider, is a person that can’t be trusted or honest.

See how using personal thoughts don’t belong when a grave situation is under consideration. It makes the atrocities that are ongoing in war lose value. Therefore, it’s better to leave your disdain about JWs out of your conversation.

NIV 1 Tim 5:3-8

3 Give proper recognition to those widows who are really in need. 4 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God. 5 The widow who is really in need and left all alone puts her hope in God and continues night and day to pray and to ask God for help. 6 But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives. 7 Give the people these instructions, too, so that no one may be open to blame. 8 If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

What is the context with 1 Timothy 5? Support for Widows

How can people call themselves Christian if they can't start their support with FAMILY first? It doesn't imply a Christian group first.

Think about the safety issue also. Who can you trust as an individual or group in this trying time, as opposed to bigger organizations?