Dmitar

Answers to all of the above:
I DO NOT KNOW.
My gut feeling is that all this was fulfilled thousands of years ago.

Then you never understood the book of Daniel!
No, because I'm not an apostate pretending to be a Jehovah's Witness like people here alongside former Jehovah's Witnesses. If you haven't noticed, woeful fools continue to insist for my banishment.
My interest was twofold, one is to correct "all" the misinformation and wrongful representation about scripture and the Watchtower that all you people have had free, reign on for the visitor, and two, how prophetic events work. In this case, when @JW Insider mentioned "he doesn't know" I believe it. He has never known how to interpret scripture other than out of ignorance.
So, my brothers are "real" Jehovah's Witnesses dedicated to obey and serve God through their promise in baptism to dedicate their lives to Jehovah. They don't pick and chose what they like and don't like about scripture or the implementation thereof.
These fools here are nothing like that. It would be an insult to the institution and its members to equate these people with honest and dedicated witnesses. You think that jerk @TrueTomHarley when he made a clownish remark about his status as not being a witness? In his heart he spoke the truth, he knows he isn't. He just likes to make people here, think, otherwise.
What should be funny too @Anna is how much of a joke they really are. 😁

Precisely, how many thousands of years ago........ or are u a lazy blighter - not willing to think about it or read the scriptures,,,, lol

What are you supposedly trying to suggest, don't act like you don't know. That foolishness comes from @JW Insider and @TrueTomHarley and your disfellowshipped fool @Pudgy that these two Jehovah's Witnesses accept over their own brothers.
That ignorance was brought out here as a topic. The Watchtower just like any other religion makes points of interest to people that like to understand scripture.
Since the foolishness is coming from former and present Jehovah's Witnesses, how about you not twist the narrative, and you express your thought on, who you believe spiritual Israel is to the visitor?

It seems like all the major JW-related topics on this forum, no matter what the original topic, have become a mix of discussions that will end up including: Russia, Ukraine, Covid19, the UN, the KON, the KOS, and China. That's perfectly fine, of course. But for ease of reference, what if we could include our basic ideas and opinions about the KON, KOS, GOG and MAGOG, in one place. I'm not proposing to move any posts from other topics to here, but anyone should feel free to copy and quote what's been said elsewhere, if they wish. 
I wanted to start with some quotes from WTS publications as a basis. First from the Pure Worship book:
*** rr chap. 17 p. 183 par. 8 “I Am Against You, O Gog” ***
8 “The king of the north.” (Read Daniel 11:40-45.) Daniel foretold the march of world powers from his day down to our time. The prophecy also mentions rival political foes—“the king of the south” and “the king of the north”—each of them having changed identity over the centuries as various earthly nations have fought for supremacy. Regarding the final campaign of the king of the north in “the time of the end,” Daniel said: “He will go out in a great rage to annihilate and to devote many to destruction.” Jehovah’s worshippers are the primary target of the king of the north. But like Gog of Magog, the king of the north comes “to his end” after failing in his attack on God’s people.
And on the topic of Gog of Magog, just previous to the above quote:
*** rr chap. 17 p. 182 “I Am Against You, O Gog” ***
The Enemy—Gog of Magog
3 Read Ezekiel 38:1, 2, 8, 18; 39:4, 11. Here is the gist of the prophecy: “In the final part of the years,” an enemy called “Gog of . . . Magog” invades “the land” of God’s people. But that vicious attack causes Jehovah’s “great rage” to flare up, and Jehovah steps in and defeats Gog. Victorious, Jehovah gives his defeated enemy and all those with him “as food to all kinds of birds of prey and the wild beasts.” Finally, Jehovah gives Gog “a burial place.” To understand how this prophecy will be fulfilled in the near future, we first need to identify Gog.
4 Who, then, is Gog of Magog? From Ezekiel’s description, we may conclude that Gog is an enemy of pure worshippers. Is Gog a prophetic name for Satan—the greatest of all enemies of true worship? For many decades, that is what our publications said. However, a further consideration of Ezekiel’s prophecy led to an adjustment in our understanding. The Watchtower explained that the title Gog of Magog refers, not to an invisible spirit creature, but to a visible human enemy—a coalition of nations that will fight against pure worship. Before we review the basis for such a conclusion, let us first examine two clues in Ezekiel’s prophecy that indicate that Gog is not a spirit creature.
5 “I will give you as food to all kinds of birds of prey.” (Ezek. 39:4) The Scriptures often use the idea of birds of prey devouring a carcass as a warning of divine judgment. God gave such warnings to the nation of Israel as well as to non-Israelite nations. (Deut. 28:26; Jer. 7:33; Ezek. 29:3, 5) Note, though, that those divine warnings were given, not to spirit creatures, but to flesh-and-blood humans. After all, birds of prey and wild beasts eat flesh, not spirit. So this divine warning in Ezekiel’s prophecy suggests that Gog is not a spirit creature.
6 “I will give Gog a burial place . . . in Israel.” (Ezek. 39:11) The Scriptures do not speak of spirit creatures as being buried on earth. Rather, Satan and his demons will be abyssed for 1,000 years, and later they will be hurled into the symbolic lake of fire, signifying their everlasting destruction. (Luke 8:31; Rev. 20:1-3, 10) Since Gog is spoken of as being given “a burial place” on earth, we may conclude that he is not a spirit creature.

It was 10 I think. But two points here. 
I have never wanted to lead an organisation, and I've never pretended that I'm inspired of God's Holy Spirit.
BUT your Leaders pretend to know. However as can be seen by many Watchtower articles, it's all HYPE. 
There is as much propaganda from the Watchtower / JW Org as there is from main stream media  

You know exactly what this about. So why you should need to pretend i don't know.  And when this topic comes up, Tom says I'm crying about it. But to be totally removed from the forum without warning, of course I'm going to be concerned next time round. As for john butler II  I think you mentioned, I don't ever remember using that at all. 

No no no, you’ve got it all wrong. I did not say charities are attacking Jw. I said you were. It is the first thing you did on this thread started by another person: find fault with Witnesses focusing on their own rather than aiding indiscriminately. I did not criticize other aid-workers. I praised them, as did Thinking. But you criticized our efforts.
Well, maybe this accounts for it. If you come in contact with nuts given to strong statements—well, it really is so that people reap what they sow. But even so, I suspect you are being selective. Unbalanced people are everywhere and a mature person learns to screen them out. (Granted, they don’t make that easy.) In T.I & Me I related how Bro Bob said something truly outrageous, that brothers determined to stand at the convention had jumped and beaten up the attendant carrying the ‘Please Be Seated’ sign—that this evil report got around and stirred up turmoil throughout the circuit, even district, but eventually truth got its pants on and people learned the source. Upon which they said, “Oh….well…..you know Bob. He says things like that.” I made the incident up, it didn’t actually happen. However there was a Bob, he would say things equally nutty, and (most) people would just cut him slack, focusing instead on his good qualities, which he had in abundance. 
I have no doubt you’re sincere in relating this, nor would I ever say that a person’s own experience is not theirs, but it may also be that your memory is selective. It is not especially uncommon for parents to provide training and have goals for their offspring, nor is it uncommon for teens to feel “attacked” if they do not accede to those goals. I’ll concede that Witness goals include some not of the mainstream, so the “attack” of someone kicking against the goads of parental upbringing may seem greater.
Well, it’s not as though the Bible itself waxes in appreciation for those who oppose and seek to undermine worship. (Ps 3:7—‘Arise, LORD! Deliver me, my God! Strike all my enemies on the jaw; break the teeth of the wicked,” says David.) I know the snippet you speak of.  I know what he said. I know that he meant it. I recall he lit a match, then blew it out without further comment, and that reinforced what he had already said about the likely success of apostates opposing the Christian cause.  And I also know that it is one of the 10,000 things he has said. Everything must be put in context.

How Long ago was that prophecy about the king of the north invading the king of the south with many ships and horses and chariots? 3500 years?
For purposes of discussion let’s say 3500 years.
1.) Since we are still discussing it today as if the event never happened, I would have to assume that the event never happened in the past, and that’s probably why people are looking forward to it occurring today.
But, it appears that everyone that has been making prophecies for the past 3500 years have  been wrong …….. so if anybody today makes such a prediction that it’s this year or soon or whatever, I suppose the Probabilities that being true are approximately 1/3500.
Even so, I will begin to worry about it when I see horses swimming across oceans or perhaps being carried on ships with or without chariots.
Of course this resoluteness is tempered somewhat by the fact that no matter what the case is, or who is the king of the north or south actually are, or any other thing about this, I and you can do absolutely nothing about it.
As Alfred E. Newman once said “What, me worry?“
 

By the way, I already know your scheme to make an excuse to ban me. Same ploy as usual. @JW Insider and @TrueTomHarley get together to insult and criticize in order to give the audience the appearance you're the affected ones, while you are the evil ones. Search and destroy ploy joining forces.
Then they rant away, by suggesting they have never banned or have caused anyone to be banned. Should I demonstrate it by just down voting?
BAN away. I already, proved what I needed to prove from 7 years ago. 2022/2023
I was signing off April 2 anyway. A few weeks before doesn't really matter.
To God, there are far more important people out in the world, than people here. People think too much of themselves here in this open forum. Yet, an event needed to be proven for the visitors, not the foolish people here.

When you return to the Archive, Dmitar, with a new screen name, may I suggest Phineas T. Bluster, from the 1950’s TV  “The Howdy Doody Show”.
YouTube has a clip.
A PERFECT FIT!
 

It also takes about 2 minutes to figure out any new persona of his. What has he had—20 since I’ve been here? I’ll block them too. I’ve done my time with this fellow. No more. 
Better to sporadically respond to remarks of guys like Srecko. His opposition is unveiled, his dislike for Witnesses loyal to the earthly organization undisguised, and he makes a disagreeable sense, but at least it is sense. You can realistically hope to know where he is coming from.

You mean, When you make mistakes and errors and try to hide them by nonsense and word play just like now? 
Like I said, @JW Insider, @TrueTomHarley are predictable. lol!! 😁
I just don't care about your schemes and games, anymore!! The same playbook from @Space Merchant. Take a bow, tell your foolish friends you won, and let it go. 😄

LOL!! You're sheltered and protected, here. No one here hates you. That's a hilarious comparison. You should be a circus clown. 
Now try to turn against your apostate friends here, see how it changes. But, since it's lovable you and in order for them to make a point, they will stay silent like they do with @Pudgy
So, your comparison is a meaningless rant.

By the way, I already know your scheme to make an excuse to ban me. Same ploy as usual. @JW Insider and @TrueTomHarley get together to insult and criticize in order to give the audience the appearance you're the affected ones, while you are the evil ones. Search and destroy ploy joining forces.
Then they rant away, by suggesting they have never banned or have caused anyone to be banned. Should I demonstrate it by just down voting?
BAN away. I already, proved what I needed to prove from 7 years ago. 2022/2023
I was signing off April 2 anyway. A few weeks before doesn't really matter.
To God, there are far more important people out in the world, than people here. People think too much of themselves here in this open forum. Yet, an event needed to be proven for the visitors, not the foolish people here.

It’s as if I using you. Sorry. 
But really, I would not know of his diatribes otherwise. I recommend the course to anyone concerned for their blood pressure. I mean, I’ve got stuff I want to do. Who needs the continual low-level aggravation? I don’t want this wasp stinging me all the time just for the sake of being—well, I have no idea what he is doing! Nobody can figure out his malignancy. Nor can I, but I’m done trying.

Clever.

Dimitar: Of course! ‘Nothing else about my conduct suggests I am a Witness. Let me deliberately give some false information to see if anyone will pounce on that to attack me!’
Notice how I replied to this remark of Dmitar’s through JWI? Wanna know why? The screenshot at bottom tells it all.
Ah….now life is so peaceful. I mean really. 520 notifications within a month?! Plainly the guy is mentally ill. That’s not so bad in itself. I have suspected that of others here. But combined with his attack-dog malignant paranoid remarks that so often make no sense whatsoever,  it is simply too much. But now I am freeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!

The 520 are all the notifications I have in the last 30 days from the dozen or so people I follow, or people who respond to posts I made, or react to them, or mention me. But I am saying that out of every 500+ notifications, it's not unusual to have over a hundred of those notifications where Dmitar has referred to me or down-voted me, or tried to draw my attention to him in some negative way. 

I don't recall anyone I know attacking jw's any where. Sure Russia did ban the religion, and I Don;t know the religions of the police that did the arresting.
But this I  do know, I was attacked all my young life by devout jw parents, was attacked by the congregation when I was 15, and lately listened to one of your gb said he and all jw's can't wait til Jehovah kills all apostates, snuffs them out like a match.
Can you please provide proof that religious charities are attacking jw refugees at the borders.
 
 

When I click on the Notifications icon (looks like a bell) there is a link at the bottom that says "Seel All Notifications." When I click on that link, I get the 520 notifications that I received for the last 30 days (since February 13). There are 25 on a page, and I have 21 pages of them. On every page there are usually a few out of the 25 that say "Dmitar mentioned you in a topic: . . ." In fact, some pages have you mentioning me 4 or 5 times on the same page.
Here's a representative example, below, of 6 notifications in a row where half of them show Dmitar mentioning me in a topic -- and it's often a topic that I had not even participated in. I just figure it's usually Dmitar trying to cause divisions again. (See Titus 3:10 NIV.)  It's a little bit like a notification that "Dmitar has reacted to a post in a topic . . . "  Whenever I see that latter notification, I can always predict that it's a down-vote of some kind, and I can usually be assured by the down-vote that what I said was most likely correct. I have received hundreds of these from you (under your various names). After a while, it's so predictable that I think of it as a kind of proofreader's mark: If Dmitar down-voted it, then it's probably correct and there's usually no need to go and re-read what I wrote there.

I noticed your implication that I will respond to only your mistakes and not others when you said:
This is rather absurd, because, as I showed above, you have tried to draw me into hundreds of your posts and I have often never even looked at them, or at least never responded to most of them. Also, I don't keep a count, but I suspect that I have seen well over 10,000 mistakes you have made, under your various names here, and most of these mistakes are obvious to everyone. Yet, I have responded only to a tiny fraction of them, even ignoring the grossest of those errors. And, of course, I have made many mistakes here and welcome correction by others, and I hope most others have welcomed the times when I have corrected their mistakes, too.
In fact, the only reason I responded to your mistake about Paul vs. Matthew Levi (son of Alphaeus) is that it reminded me of the fact that I have only seen you twice admit a mistake and then only when it didn't really matter. It was someone else who pointed it out once and I had pointed out the other one you admitted to. But I have seen people (including myself) point out mistakes you have made and I have seen you go to extremely ridiculous lengths to avoid admitting having made an error. I just happened to get curious about what you would use as your excuse this time. Predictably you came up with a "good" one: that you had made the mistake on purpose, just to see if you could draw me into the conversation. Quite a stretch, but I see you have tried to make it work by purposely throwing in another mistake about Levi being the name of Matthew's father, instead of Alphaeus. This one, of course, you DID put in there on purpose, evidently to claim that my current response somehow can convince stupid people that it was what you intended with the first mistake, too. I don't think most people here are stupid enough to fall for it.

It does make you wonder whether outrageous Dimitar is really a Witness, though. I have never known any JW to think that Paul was a tax collector.
A result of absent mindedness maybe. But a misread of the NWT glossary—no. Not if he is really a Witness who goes back as far as he claims to. Everyone knows who the tax collector was.

LOL!! 😂 That's why I recommend you have your eyes checked. Now look closer, draw a line from the USA to Russia, and tell me again. Who's on the upper northern quadrant, Russia or the USA?
Have I said, anyone here truly understands the Books of Daniel and Revelation? Now, I don't know about the rest of the brotherhood, but the Watchtower has gone from explaining it through complexities, to simplifying it. So, whoever doesn't get it, it's on them. 
If someone doesn't get it, and tries to explain it by their own conclusions, then it's sheer speculation in their part.
I'll give you an example, and you can twist it anyway you wish.
11:2-20
11:2-20 A chronology of godless kings. The angel then explained Daniel's terrifying vision: Persia's day of glory would climax with a king who would challenge the rising Greek Empire (11:2). Then would come a "mighty king" whose empire would be divided and given to four kings unrelated to him (11:3-4), evidently another reference to Alexander (see 7:6; 8:5-8,21-22). 11:5-20 describes prolonged warfare between Alexander's generals Ptolemy of Egypt ("king of the south," 11:5) and Seleucus of Syria ("king of the north," 11:6). Antiochus III, a descendant of Seleucus, lost a great battle with Egypt but eventually defeated it (11:10-20). Both he and his successor oppressed Israel, the "glorious land" (11:16,20).
I love this one the best. As you can see, there are notable scholars referenced. I believe even an ignorant person from the past will find this counterproductive to their false narrative when they promote "absolute" as an argument.
ANTIOCHUS
2. The favorite name of the Seleucid kings, whose history with reference to Jewish affairs is contained particularly in the books of Maccabees, and is predicted with remarkable minuteness in Dan 11. The name was first borne by one of the generals of Philip, whose son SELEUCUS , by the hold of the first Ptolemy, established himself as ruler of Babylon. In the Macedonian calendar the Seleucid era began with Dios 1 (Oct. 7), 321 B.C.; in the Babylonian it began with Nisanu 1 (Apr. 3), 311 B.C. Parker and Dubberstein cautioned: "The beginnings and ends of their reigns cannot always be determined with exactitude" (Babylonian Chronology [1956], p. 20). When Ptolemy, son of Lagus, became master of Southern Syria, the line dividing Seleucus and his successors from the Ptolemies (cf. "king of the north" and "king of the south" in Dan 11) was drawn somewhat to the north of Damascus, the capital of Coele-Syria.
Now dig a little deeper into your brain and figure out where is spiritual Israel?
Then you are promoting NW and NE. 

OK
I GOT IT!
The King of the North will invade with chariots, AnD horses and many ships.
I GOT IT!
I have several questions about that if it is to be in modern times ……
1. )  will the horses come on the ships, or will they have to swim the Atlantic Ocean?
2.)  will they be talking horses like Mr. Ed?
3.)  would it be a prudent thing to stock up on apples, and carrots?
 
 

I immediately see two things wrong with your above analysis.
Number one: if all these people in the “great awakening“ were part of a great awakening and they were all wrong it seems to me like a  “great going to sleep“.
Number two: Clark Kent was not pretending to be Superman……… Superman was pretending to be Clark Kent.
there is a difference.