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17 hours ago, Noble Berean said:

And they have been completely zip-lipped with their own members--refusing to be transparent about this ongoing problem. JWs are owed transparency on this matter. It's the least they could do.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

For you to consider that an error is quite laughable when one can review what is true online and with the facts placed before them, they will see that the interlinear made by the WT was not in error - which I have said and proven to you before.

I DID NOT CALL IT AN ERROR.

For an intelligent man, you are quite naïve of Wt.’s deceptive tricks.  What was my comment about?  What was I explaining? 

I will leave it at that. 

4 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

“And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”  Rev 5:10

¹⁰  and you made them to be a kingdomp and priests to our God,qand they are to rule as kingsr over the earth.”

Bit of a difference isn't it ? 

Watchtower’s Greek Interlinear uses “upon”:

Rev 5:10  - https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/kingdom-interlinear-greek-translation/books/revelation/5/

RNWT – “and you made them to be a kingdom+ and priests to our God,+ and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”

There is quite a bit of difference.  Makes you wonder why they changed it in their Bible.  At least it should make you question their intentions.  The GB have themselves in mind; the higher they believe they can ascend, the bolder they become in falsehoods.  

“The KJV translates Strong's G1909 in the following manner: on (196x), in (120x), upon (159x), unto (41x), to (41x), miscellaneous (339x).”

The “144,000” are a “new creation”.  The corrupted present “heavens” and “earth” (God’s fallen anointed ones) will be completely dissolved.  2 Pet 3:7  The new heavens and earth (Rev 21:5; 2 Pet 3:13) are the “new creation” – both spirit and flesh.  Anointed priests are “messengers”, which is the meaning of “angels”. Mal 2:7; Matt 22:29,30; 1 Pet 3:22; Eph 1:22; Heb 2:5,16,8,12; 12:22,23; Luke 10:20; Rev 1:20; 8:2,6; Josh 6:4  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mal+2%3A7%3B+Matt+22%3A29%2C30%3B+1+Pet+3%3A22%3B+Eph+1%3A22%3B+Heb+2%3A5%2C16%2C8%2C12%3B+12%3A22%2C23%3B+Luke+10%3A20%3B+Rev+1%3A20%3B+8%3A2%2C6%3B+Josh+6%3A4&version=NKJV

Anointed ones can be “registered in heaven”, while on the earth by being “sealed”; thus, they are not only part of “heaven” but rule on the earth as “kings”.  Luke 10:20; Heb 12:22,23

“Now Jacob went out from Beersheba and went toward Haran. ¹¹ So he came to a certain place and stayed there all night, because the sun had set. And he took one of the stones of that place and put it at his head, and he lay down in that place to sleep. ¹² Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.

¹³ And behold, the Lord stood above it and said: “I am the Lord God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and your descendants. ¹⁴ Also your descendants shall be as the dust of the earth; you shall spread abroad to the west and the east, to the north and the south; and in you and in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed. ¹⁵ Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land; for I will not leave you until I have done what I have spoken to you.”  Gen 28:10-15

Nathanael answered and said to Him, “Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!”

⁵⁰ Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you, ‘I saw you under the fig tree,’ do you believe? You will see greater things than these.” ⁵¹ And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafteryou shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.”  John 1:49-51

Spiritual “Israel” are the descendants of Jacob, who saw the vision of the ladder reaching to heaven, and whose descendants will be as the dust of the earth. And it will be his descendants who would be ascending and descending on the "ladder"/stairway.   In order for that to occur, the “144,000” must be a “new creation”; able to move between heaven and earth.  2 Cor 5:17; Gal 6:15

Wt. 14/11/14 - ON Pentecost of the year 33, Jehovah made a historic change. He created a new nation called “the Israel of God,” or spiritual Israel. (Galatians 6:16) Jehovah used his holy spirit to select the individual members of this nation. Paul wrote that those in this new nation do not need to be circumcised as the descendants of Abraham did. Instead, their “circumcision is that of the heart” by holy spirit. —Romans 2:29.

“The tribal arrangement in Israel was based on descent from the 12 sons of Jacob. IT-1

“John’s vision of those standing on the heavenly Mount Zion with the Lamb (whom natural Israel had rejected) revealed the number of this spiritual Israel of God to be 144,000 “bought from among mankind.” —Re 7:4; 14:1, 4.  IT-1

The “144,000” are the Bride that “descends out of heaven” as “New Jerusalem” (Rev 21:9,10) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+21%3A9%2C10&version=NKJV

“Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: ¹³ three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.” Rev 21:12,13

The Watchtower misleads all JWs with the deceptive teaching that the anointed will only be ruling from heaven. A good King not only rules over the people, but serves their needs. This is God's plan for the holy priesthood to serve and teach the people, in the same manner as the priesthood served the people in the nation of Israel.  Heb 8:5  

 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave— just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”  Matt 20:25-28

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

"And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army.

I pray you open your eyes, and perceive beyond the physical powers in Satan’s world.

“And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army.” Rev 19:19

“Earth” has always referred to God’s people under covenant and represents the anointed today.  Jer 25:29,30,34; Matt 23:34,35

 “kings of the earth” are under Jesus’ rule:  “John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:

Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, ⁵ and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.  To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.  Rev 1:4-6

Jesus is not involved in politics; he wasn’t when he was on earth and he isn’t now.  – “Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.  And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”  Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’” Matt 4:8-10 (Luke 4:5,6)

His faithful “kings of the earth” are not of Satan’s world.  John 17:16  (John 8:23)

 “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” John 18:36

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Eph 6:12

Why should Armageddon be any different?  It is not fought on the worldly front, but between “kings of the earth”/anointed who are at odds with one another, and is happening now.    Jesus’ focus is on those who either obey him or disobey him  -  the “kings and priests” that he rules over.  1 Pet 5:9,10

 “And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.”   Rev 19:16

There are faithful “kings of the earth” – “And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”  Rev 5:10

As well as unfaithful “kings of the earth” who are heavily influenced by Satan’s world; falling for his tempting offer for power and prominence. And if influenced by Satan, what comes out of their mouth is false doctrine.  John 8:44; Matt 7:15-20

”Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.”  Rev 13:11

This beast is a false anointed, composite “prophet”.  It works in tandem with the Wild Beast from the Sea.  Rev 13:12;19:20

“And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army.”

Can you see this?  Jesus’ “kings” are at war in the spiritual realm; manifested through teachings, either true or false.   2 Thess 2:9-12

The false prophet/Beast of the earth “inspires”/breathes spirit/spirit-directs “life” into the Beast of the Sea…which comes against the anointed ones.  Rev 13:15,7

What “image” do you know of, that is “spirit-directed” and run by anointed ones?

Those that are spiritually “killed” (disfellowshipped) by the Wild Beast for refusing to serve only Christ, may become sealed into his “army” to fight against the unfaithful, spiritually immoral “kings of the earth”.  Rev 13:15  

Do you see a political nation in the world that kills the anointed ones that it has come against?

Just look at Rev 1:4-6 and it will tell you who the “kings of the earth” are.  The definition doesn’t change through the various scriptures about them, in Revelation.

Better stop here.  I fear I’ve lost you.  You ask,

Do you really think the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies will say: "We hate God"? No. They will say:"We love God.

And they do. 

“And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, ¹⁶ and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! ¹⁷ For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”  Rev 6:15-17

“But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.  The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. ²And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.

But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life." Rev 21:22-25,27

Armageddon is the battle between faithful kings; refined, cleansed from Satan’s lies and who speak truth in Christ vs. kings who have transgressed the covenant, dominated their brothers as a “wicked slave”;

and all of them – are anointed. 

16 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

You have a serious psychological problem with leaders in general.

Surely you know that you become the slaves of whatever you give yourselves to. Anything or anyone you follow will be your master. You can follow sin, or you can obey God. Following sin brings spiritual death, but obeying God makes you right with him.  (Rom 6:16 )  Now do you think I am trying to make people accept me? No, God is the one I am trying to please. Am I trying to please people? If I wanted to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.  (Gal 1:10)

God paid a high price for you, so don’t be slaves to anyone else. (1 Cor 7:23)  Remember that you will receive your reward from the Lord, who will give you what he promised his people. Yes, you are serving Christ. He is your real Master.  Col 3:24

16 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

and that you're NOT into obeying his instructions to be submissive, obey, obedience to those in authority

Jesus said, “Their worship of me is worthless. The things they teach are only human rules.’”  Matt 15:9

 I say this because you are even patient with someone who forces you to do things and uses you. You are patient with those who trick you, or think they are better than you, or hit you in the face!  (2 Cor 11:20)

(ERV)

The organization is not my mediator, nor should it be anyone else’s.  I think that is enough scriptural proof to show you, I have no other Master that I am submissive to. 

10 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

And who leads you without the aid of Christ to guide you. When did Christ suggest a lone-wolf scenario?

You believe Christ isn’t guiding me.

You believe I’m a lone wolf. 

You believe God approved of 8 men self-appointing themselves as a “faithful and discreet slave”.  You do realize by eliminating all other anointed ones in this category, a designation made only by Christ when he arrives, they have set themselves into the position of a wicked slave….don’t you?  Matt 25:21 No other anointed one can fulfill that title.  They have assumed all glory and authority (that rings a bell…Luke 4:6) over all the “slaves”; and they wield it freely using their “muscle”/elder body.  That also helps seal the deal.  The anointed Body are not the shepherds.  Clearly, the wicked slave “eats and drinks with drunkards” - sharing spiritual “food”/doctrine with the false priesthood/elder body that is used against his fellow anointed “servants” for “beating” them into submission.  Matt 24:48-51

You are a very assuming person to believe God and Jesus have sanctioned an elder body not anointed to replace their own choice – the anointed priesthood and true shepherds of the sheep. 1 Pet 2:5,9  Do you really believe Jesus is okay with men’s replacement of his true shepherds that are members of his own Body? 

 “Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of Godwhich He purchased with His own blood. ²⁹ For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. ³⁰ Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. ³¹ Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears. Acts 20:28-31

“savage” – heavy, weighty, burdensome, severe, imposing, impressive.

“perverse things” - to distort, turn aside; to oppose, plot against the saving purposes and plans of God; to turn aside from the right path, to pervert, corrupt

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. ¹⁶ You will know them by their fruits.”  Matt 7:15,16

“ravenous” – rapacious, a robber, an extortioner 

Jesus surely knew the imposing image of the GB and its elder body would have no problem fleecing the sheep with false stories and a false hope of salvation through an organization – a turning aside from the true source of salvation.  Acts 4:12  They are experts at blackmail; threatening with disfellowshipping their own “servants” for rejecting their made up stories.  Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:1,4,7,11,15

The true shepherds are in existence and are guided by their Master, Jesus.  Which shepherds will you choose to be guided by, those who listen to extortioners who plot to shatter any power the anointed have left, throwing truth down to the ground; or those who listen to Jesus?   Dan 12:7; 8:12

Are you aware of the iniquities in Ezekiel that caused the Lord to “forsake the land" and call for a mark on the foreheads of those “sighing and crying”?

Ezek 8:5 – “Then He said to me, “Son of man, lift your eyes now toward the north.” So I lifted my eyes toward the north, and there, north of the altar gate, was this image of jealousy in the entrance.”

This is the entrance to the altar sacrifice.  “Furthermore He said to me, “Son of man, do you see what they are doing, the great abominations that the house of Israel commits here, to make Me go far away from My sanctuary? Now turn again, you will see greater abominations.” Verse 6

“And He said to me, “Go in, and see the wicked abominations which they are doing there.” Verse 9

There was both an “image” as well as activities taking place in God’s Temple.

“And there stood before them seventy men of the elders of the house of Israel, and in their midst stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan. Each man had a censer in his hand, and a thick cloud of incense went up.” Verse 11

Were the priests present in the Temple?  No, “elders” had desecrated the Temple of God, blocking the entrance and not allowing approved sacrifices to be offered by God’s appointed priesthood.

Sound familiar?  Only if you realize that the Temple under Christ, (1 Cor 3:16,17) is the holy anointed priesthood, and an “image of jealousy”, the unanointed elder body, stands in, sits in, and tramples upon, God’s Temple. Matt 24:15; Rev 11:1-3; 2 Thess 2:3,4 So, along with the detestable practices of “shepherding” in the cases of child abuse among other judicial matters, God’s appointed priesthood has been shoved aside for an “image of jealousy” and its detestable activities.

I hope every elder, every JW, takes note.

Num 16:3-7,10,11,18,20,21,35,40   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Num+16%3A3-7%2C10%2C11%2C18%2C20%2C21%2C35%2C40&version=NKJV

4 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

I know I've fallen behind on responding to you, but here's what I've wanted to ask you, I now realize, now that I've seen this [and sorry if you've already answered.  -I didn't see it]-

 

This was my answer to JWI:

Jesus gave us the indications of his coming with signs to look for, which Satan is well aware of.  There are two types of “signs” that would exist in the time of the end – physical, which would be found in the physical world of Satan; and the spiritual fulfillment (Rev 1:1).

The threat to Satan’s power and dominion are the anointed ones; He demands to test each one for their faithfulness to God, since the victorious ones will receive what he has now, dominion over the earth. 1 John 5:19  God allows this test just as he allowed Satan to test Job.  Luke 22:31; Acts 14:22; Matt 24:22,23; Luke 13:23,24; Matt 7:14; Mark 13:13; John 16:2; Rev 2:9,10,13,17,7,24,26,28; 6:9,11; 3:5,9,12,21,22  

God didn’t set up the test, which is seen in Job 1:12 - And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person.”

Which is verified in James 1:13 – “No one undergoing a trial should say, "I am being tempted by God," since God is not tempted by evil, and he himself doesn't tempt anyone.”

God gives plenty of warning for us to look for if we care to serve him; but Satan will twist the signs in order to deceive, by concentrating on the fleshly, earthly fulfillment.    We are our own judge in a sense, by choosing either dominion, that of God’s or Satan’s.  If our heart desires to fully, faithfully serve only God and Christ, not men with their earthly ambitions, we are helped to see through the deception.  1 Cor 10:13; 1:8; Matt 6:13; 2 Pet 2:9  

Deut 30:15-19 

Would Satan test the anointed in the time of the end by what is already seen prominently in the world and recognized as dangerous by most people?  From the blessing of Holy Spirit received during an anointing, the initial truth presented by the organization is enough bait to bring in the anointed ones. 

RevelationÂ’s prophesy plays out through the existence of the organization.

Each anointed one has faced its “beasts” or tests demanded by Satan, but not all anointed ones succeed in “conquering” them. Usually, among God’s people, the case is the minority repent for their wrongdoings.  The fourth Beast of Daniel, is the last and most deceptive, Satan’s last military ruse to tempt and destroy the anointed ones and any companions who fall into the trap. It IS the most deceptive since Satan knows his end is imminent. Dan 7:19; Rev 13:1-4  These tests are no different than what Jesus went through to gain victory over death. Satan uses the same allurement that he proposed to Jesus; power and authority, and the love of physical pleasures. Luke 4:5-7 Those in Christ, who desire to follow in his footsteps, must also gain victory over Satan’s offers, which are all found in the beauty and the hum of the organization. The Wt. says the attack by Gog and Magog will happen by nations in the world.  But notice in Ezek 38:10-12, Satan’ evil plan comes against a peaceful people, who (apparently) dwell in safely. What does the organization offer, but God’s protection?  Rev 20:7-9 says the anointed are gathered and surrounded, which they presently are. And who is it that fills them with deceitful lies, such as pyramidology, “this generation”, 1914 and failed dates and many more deceptive teaching, but a false prophet, an organization/Beast/ and the source, Satan?  Rev 16:12-16

2 Thess 2:9-12 states that the “evil plan” of Ezek 38 is

 a strong (“effectual working operation, In the NT used only of superhuman power, whether of God or of the Devil”)

delusion. (a wandering, a straying about, one led astray from the right way, roams hither and thither, mental straying, error, wrong opinion relative to morals or religion, error which shows itself in action, a wrong mode of acting, error, that which leads into error, deceit or fraud)

The nations of the world will not offer a lying delusion to trap an unsuspecting people, who already feel they have found the truth.   

Not all anointed “kings of the earth” leave the organization as we see with the parable of the “10 virgins”, which was in my post here, (Coincidence or Correlation) Monday at 10:34 am. They side with the Beast against Christ’s “kings” in the war of truth against lies.   Isa 10:19; Amos 7:1-6; Rev 19:19; Dan 11:35  (1 Cor 4:8; Rev 1:5; 5:9,10; Rev 21:24)

The blindness that comes over all anointed ones is instigated by the false prophet, cajoling them into complacency that the organization will provide for their safety as long as their obedience remains with the organization which is also projected as obedience to God and Christ. Matt 25:5; 1 Thess 5:2,3; Jer 14:13; Ezek 13:10,16)

What causes the blind to wake up?  They sense something wrong with the organization’s teachings, they do research, they pray for understanding of truth.  Through this awakening, the process of refinement begins for all…when they choose the right path, Christ.  Isa 59:10,19-21; Ezek 14:21-23; Rev 6:8; Prov 17:3  The majority, choose to remain comfortable in what they know and desire – the organization.

If I didn't make this clear, please tell me.  

 

1 hour ago, Nana Fofana said:

People are not "shunned" by Jehovah's witnesses "for sending their kids to college".

Yes, they are.  In your 2015 convention, shunning was spoken about and the various reason why to.  A few were denying Watchtower's doctrines, as well as speaking against the GB.  It's pretty clear what Anthony Morris thinks about higher education.  So, if a JW chooses to pursue higher education, this gives ground for shunning the individual.  

Obviously, the family in the news not only put their children in college but walked away from the organization to do it.  When my middle son was college age, we enrolled him into the local junior college.  He wanted to pursue geology like his father.  This happened while we were still in the organization.  Eventually, he quit abruptly and we were left puzzled as to why.  Not until he was married did he tell us that an elder told him he should be ashamed for pursuing secular education; an elder he had put his trust in.  On top of this, his peers kept ridiculing him for attending college.  Under pressure, he quit.  This is how shunning begins.

The topic of higher education is not a small matter with the Wt. Of course, it sends men to colleges to become lawyers; primarily to protect their material investments and to successfully fight their ongoing cases of child abuse.

Anthony Morris stated, “we have to careful that this system does not mold or shape our thinking”.  Isn’t this what the GB continually does? Shape individuals according to their opinions?   Shouldn’t it be up to the person what they choose what to do about “higher learning”?   Should one withdraw their love from someone, shutting off all contact because of it?  
 

On 3/14/2018 at 10:52 AM, Nana Fofana said:

That's how thoroughly self-deluded I think you are about "Sein Kampf".

You know, besides the vendetta that Satan has by putting to use a wicked slave to silence God’s holy priesthood, perhaps we should change "Sein Kampf" to "Mein Kampf".  

https://www.watchtowerlies.com/linked/watchtower_investments_in_armament_companies.pdf

Click “Ctrl F” keys, type in “Watchtower” in the upper search bar in this document:

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/922330/000106299302000371/form10k.txt

Any reason you can think of as to why Watchtower owns stock in the military?  Can the Watchtower truly say it has beat its swords into plowshares?  What sort of spirit would motivate them to do this?  

“Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the Lord called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side ⁴ and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”  Ezek 9:3-5

What happens after the that?  And where is God’s present sanctuary/”Jerusalem” found?  Ezek 9:5-11; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:14-17

Not all grieve over the detestable things in the organization but make excuses for them.  It takes the nations to impress upon Watchtower’s leaders to change their tactics with child abusers.  It is men, leading men; not God and his righteous decrees leading men who call themselves the “faithful and discreet slave”. 

Every comparison of the organization with all other earthly organizations is comparing all powers together in “Babylon”.  Rev 18:4-8

“Be sober-minded, be alert. Your adversary the devil is prowling around like a roaring lion, looking for anyone he can devour.  Resist him, firm in the faith, knowing that the same kind of sufferings are being experienced by your fellow believers throughout the world.”  1 Pet 5:8,9

Watchtower 15/5/15 - The apostle Peter likened Satan to “a roaring lion.” According to one reference work, the Greek word translated “roaring” denotes “the howl of a beast in fierce hunger.” How well that describes Satan’s vicious disposition! Although the whole world already lies in his power, Satan is hungry for more victims. (1 John 5:19) To him, the world might be a mere “appetizer.” In effect, Satan has turned his attention to the “main course” —the anointed remnant, who are accompanied by their companions, the “other sheep.” (John 10:16; Rev. 12:17) Satan is intent on devouring Jehovah’s people The waves of persecution he has unleashed against Jesus’ followers from the first century until now give evidence of his vicious spirit.” 

It is true; Satan is intent on killing off the “main course” – the anointed ones.  How is it being accomplished?  Since Satan is the Master of Deception, what tools would he use to carry out his ploy to mislead and effectively trap, the “main course”? Eccl 9:12; 2 Cor 11:14  A fairly new trend has developed among members of the Watchtower, that “Jehovah’s people” are a “happy people”; a peaceful people, contented by the understanding that they reside in a safe haven and a spiritual paradise.  As a JW, I felt I also was protected inside its walls, and was continually on alert and wary of Satan’s tactics that may come against me or my family as originating in the “world”, anywhere outside of the organization.  However, the well-polished and camouflaged brainchild of Satan, IS the organization, where the promise of “truth” and spiritual safety is its motto.  Jer 23:16;8:11; 1 Thess 5:1-3  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Eccl+9%3A12%3B+2+Cor+11%3A14%3B++Jer+23%3A16%3B8%3A11%3B+1+Thess+5%3A1-3&version=NIV

In Daniel’s day, where were the lions that were ready to devour him?  Were they the actual lions in the den he was thrown into; or, did they walk right alongside Daniel?  Under the rule of Darius the Mede, Daniel was an administrator along with two others.  Within this kingdom, 120 Satraps were appointed over their selective territories; yet…

“Daniel distinguished himself above the administrators and satraps because he had an extraordinary spirit, so the king planned to set him over the whole realm.”  Dan 6:3

Satraps were “protectors of the realm/province”; those in a subordinate position to the administrators who bore the title “eye of the king”, of which Daniel was the most prominent.

As we know the administrators and Satraps planned to destroy Daniel through deceptive moves.  Daniel worshipped the Most High God, while the Medes and Persians worshipped their idols.  Jealousy over this Jew receiving superior attention for his righteous and blameless acts, fueled the conspiracy to come against him.  We’re familiar with the story, Darius was tricked by the administrators and satraps resulting in Daniel being thrown to the lions.  The anxious shout from Darius has deep significance - 

“Daniel, servant of the living God, has your God, whom you serve continually, been able to deliver you from the lions?”  Dan 6:20

Most certainly, did God save Daniel not only from the physical lions, but from the men who sought to devour him.  Job 5:12-16  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+5%3A12-16&version=NIV

“My God sent His angel and SHUT THE LIONS’ MOUTHS, so that they have not hurt me, because I was found innocent before Him; and also, O king, I have done no wrong before you.”  Dan 6:22

His accusers and families were thrown into the lion’s den under the orders of Darius.  These men were well aware that no guilt could be found with Daniel:

“So the governors and satraps sought to find some charge against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find no charge or fault, because he was faithful; nor was there any error or fault found in him. ⁵ Then these men said, “We shall not find any charge against this Daniel UNLESS WE FIND IT AGAINST HIM CONCERNING THE LAW OF HIS GOD.”   Dan 6:4,5

They convinced the King to pass a decree that no god other than Darius could be petitioned for a brief period of 30 days.  Today, the anointed ones who have especially been appointed by God to serve Him and Jesus Christ in the Kingdom, face their accusers as well; men who have rule over the various territories of the Watchtower kingdom, and who walk right among them.   As long as the anointed follow the outlined decrees of the organization; which is to serve its needs, to show adulation and loyalty to its image as “spirit-directed”; and to obey the direction of the elder body and its wicked slave, they are left alone, at least at first glance it seems this way.  No “lion” appears ready to devour them under the ‘protective’ umbrella of the organization.  Rev 13:1,8,14-17 (Matt 24:48-51)  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+13%3A1%2C8%2C14-17%3B+Matt+24%3A48-51&version=NIV

UNLESS…..THEY “FIND IT AGAINST HIM CONCERNING THE LAW OF HIS GOD.”

Let me explain.  Satan works both sides of this coin. If Satan was getting at the anointed through other means such as the earthly political field, why isn’t it happening?  Who is coming against the ANOINTED while in their protective “spiritual paradise”? Is it Russia?  Has Russia reached out and trapped every anointed person within the organization? No.  Russia, nor any other country has inside knowledge of who are the anointed ones.

Other “lions” are at work, seeking to devour their prey.

Revelation’s “spirit-breathed” Wild Beast, carrying blasphemous names has been granted to “make war with the saints and to overcome them.”  This Beast has “a mouth like the mouth of a lion”. It has been given power, a throne and great authority – OVER THE “SAINTS”; THE ANOINTED ONES.  Rev 13:1,2,5-7   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+13%3A1%2C2%2C5-7+++&version=NIV

The Beast is also revealed in another passage describing it as a locust army with teeth like lion’s teeth.  Rev 9:7,8  Again, how does this army of Revelation 9:1-3,7,8 identify its prey? It is the anointed “who do not have the seal of God on their forehead”.  Joel 1:6 explains this locust “nation” that comes against God’s “land” as,

“Strong, and without number;
His teeth are the teeth of a lion,
And he has the fangs of a fierce lion.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+9%3A1-3%2C7%2C8&version=NIV

Also, Daniel explains Revelation’s fourth Wild Beast as having huge iron teeth; that tramples, crushes and devours its victims.  Again, who are those victims? 

“He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the SAINTS (anointed) of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.”  Dan 7:25

This is spiritually discerned only in the organization.  The anointed priesthood has been overtaken and “trampled” by the given authority from a false prophet to the Body of Elders. Matt 24:15; Dan 11:31; 2 Thess 2:4  Rev. 11:1-3,7,8;13:11,15  As I write this, it wells up within myself  just how utterly astounding it is, that the Temple priesthood and God’s dwelling/”land” must obey MEN, before their God and Master; otherwise, they are thrown into Watchtower’s version of a “lion’s den” – a judicial committee that can stamp them as spiritually “dead” for disobeying any decrees of the organization. Dan 6:17  What is equally astounding, is the organization calls itself “Zion”, stealing this identity from those they intend to crush!  It is the counterfeit of the anointed Body of Christ and the Temple of God -  the counterfeit Mount Zion.   Anointed are not only “trampled” by this rule of abomination over them, but are then outlawed as rebels for serving only the Most High God and His Son Jesus Christ.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A15%3B+Dan+11%3A31%3B+2+Thess+2%3A4%3B++Rev.+11%3A1-3%2C7%2C8%3B13%3A11%2C15%3BDan+6%3A17++&version=NIV

A lion’s first move on a prey is to jump on its back, wrestling it to the ground.  (Isa 51:21-23; Rev 12:4) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+51%3A21-23%3B+Rev+12%3A4&version=NIV

“Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions.   RATHER THAN CHALLENGE THEIR AUTHORITY, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!” w02 8/1 pp. 9-14

A chokehold is accomplished by its four large canines.  It tightens its grip on the throat and sometimes the mouth of the prey, cutting off all ability to breathe and its efforts to escape.  (Daniel 12:11; Rev.6:9; Rom.6:3; Psalm 51:17)   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel12%3A11%3B+Rev.6%3A9%3B+Rom.6%3A3%3B+Psalm+51%3A17&version=NIV

“Anointed Christians do not feel that they should spend time only with other anointed ones, as if they were members of a club. They DO NOT TRY to find other anointed ones SO THAT THEY CAN TALK ABOUT BEING ANOINTED OR MEET IN GROUPS TO STUDY THE BIBLE.” Wt 16/1 pp 20-26

Once the prey is down, it is chewed into manageable chunks using the “carnassails” that effectively crush the bones along with the skin and flesh.  (Micah 3:2,3; Dan 12:7)  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Micah+3%3A2%2C3%3B+Dan+12%3A7&version=NIV

 “They (anointed) know that Jehovah does not necessarily give anointed ones more holy spirit than he gives his other servants. And they do not feel that they can understand Bible truths more deeply than anyone else.”  Wt. 16/1 pp. 20-26

Oh, dear JWs.  Can you see how this “army” to come against God’s people through trampling and crushing its prey with such twisted brainwashing, will cause YOU to barely recognize that the anointed reside with you? 

Will YOU allow yourself to be rendered helpless at the mouth of the “lions” as well?  Jer 5:31; 2 Cor 11:4  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer+5%3A31%3B+2+Cor+11%3A4&version=NIV

 Each step the organization takes to make such condemnatory accusations, brings the anointed priesthood into irreversible submission under the Beast and False Prophet/wicked slave. Luke 21:24 If, through an anointing one receives Holy Spirit and the laws of God inscribed on their heart, it should be obvious they have been designated for an important assignment, and equipped to do so. 2 Cor 3:3; Rom 2:28,29; Heb 8:10;1 John 2:20,21  However, Watchtower’s leaders fabricate their own rules and defy God’s laws; deliberately treading on those who carry God’s laws in their hearts!  It has built its own Zion, disregarding the true Zion and Temple of God. 1 Cor 3:16,17;  Eph 2:20-22; Heb 12:22; Rev 14:1 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+21%3A24%3B+2+Cor+3%3A3%3B+Rom+2%3A28%2C29%3B+Heb+8%3A10%3B1+John+2%3A20%2C21%3B++1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17%3B++Eph+2%3A20-22%3B+Heb+12%3A22%3B+Rev+14%3A1&version=NIV

Our defense against the army having lion’s teeth like iron, is to resist such accusations, become firm in the faith spoken of in scripture, and not in the doctrines of a false prophet who “inspires” its idol with demonic expressions. Jer 16:16-18; Zech 13:9; John 8:32; Acts 26:18; 2 Cor 6:14-18   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer+16%3A16-18%3B+Zech+13%3A9%3B+John+8%3A32%3B+Acts+26%3A18%3B+2+Cor+6%3A14-18+++&version=NIV

Daniel was persecuted for his firmness in worshipping only God; yet, never abandoned by the Father.  1 Pet 5:10 tells us that by resisting Satan’s bogus claims issued through the mouths of the Wild Beast and False Prophet, we establish and strengthen our faith in the God of grace and his Son, Jesus Christ.  Job 4:7-11; Ps 25:15; 2 Cor 10:3-5; Eph 6:12; 2 Tim 4:7  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Pet+5%3A10%3B+Job+4%3A7-11%3B++Ps+25%3A15%3B+2Cor.10%3A3-5%3B+Eph.6%3A12%3B+2Tim.4%3A7&version=NIV

“To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen”. 

Pearl Doxsey:

Satan's lie (6), is that "Jehovah's Witnesses" are God's spirit-directed organization, rather than Satan's demonic-directed organization.

The false prophet's lie (6), is that he is the "faithful and discreet slave", rather than the wicked steward who poisons God's sons, with "wormwood".

The Beast's lie (6), is that the Gentile "elders", are consecrated to serve as God's priests, instead of those whom God has chosen as His priests and kings.

These three lies (666) (demonic exhalations), combine.

 In combination, this collection of demonic lies, backed by lying signs and portents, succeed in misleading and rendering powerless, God's nation. Satan's power of deception, has created the great tribulation (great testing/sifting) and Armageddon (spiritual war between truth and lies), now at work in our midst.

“666” 4womaninthewilderness

“Strengthen the feeble hands,
    steady the knees that give way;
⁴ say to those with fearful hearts,
    “Be strong, do not fear;
your God will come,
    he will come with vengeance;
with divine retribution
    he will come to save you.”

⁵ Then will the eyes of the blind be opened
    and the ears of the deaf unstopped.
⁶ Then will the lame leap like a deer,
    and the mute tongue shout for joy.
Water will gush forth in the wilderness
    and streams in the desert.
⁷ The burning sand will become a pool,
    the thirsty ground bubbling springs.
In the haunts where jackals once lay,
    grass and reeds and papyrus will grow.

⁸ And a highway will be there;
    it will be called the Way of Holiness;
    it will be for those who walk on that Way.
The unclean will not journey on it;
    wicked fools will not go about on it.
⁹ No lion will be there,
    nor any ravenous beast;
    they will not be found there.
But only the redeemed will walk there,
¹⁰  and those the Lord has rescued will return.
They will enter Zion with singing;
    everlasting joy will crown their heads.
Gladness and joy will overtake them,
    and sorrow and sighing will flee away.”  Isa 35:3-10

“But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!”  Luke 12:5

“If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched”  Mark 9:23

Does this sound like the “common grave of mankind”?  Watchtower uses John 5:28 to support their claim that “hell” is translated as “memorial tombs”, which is an entirely different Greek word.  

Blueletterbible Greek Interlinear meaning of “hell”:

“Hell is the place of the future punishment called "Gehenna" or "Gehenna of fire". This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.”

If you are familiar with Rev.14:11...
 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
AND
Rev20:10...
 "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
 ...and feel confused by this seeming contradiction to the wicked being destroyed;
then please keep in mind that Rev.1:1 states that "Revelation" is written in symbolic terms 
(See Greek of Rev.1:1).
What does it mean to be tormented in the "lake of fire" forever?
Rev.20:14 tells us...
 "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Why "second" death, instead of first death?
Jesus said,
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell ("Gehenna")." (Matt.10:28)

The first death, is physical ("body").
The "second death", is by the One who judges (and can kill) the soul.
The basis for that judgment, is by means of the teachings of Christ....
Jesus said;
 "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will judge them at the last day." (John12:48)

How are the damning words of Christ, the same as the "lake of fire"?
Jesus Christ IS the Word of God. All God's teachings are made available to us, 
to accept or reject,
by means of God's "Word", the Bible (John1:1,14).
Note what the words of God (through Christ) are compared to...

 "Is not my word like fire," declares the LORD, "and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?" (Jer.23:29)
 "Therefore I cut you in pieces with my prophets, I killed you with the words of my mouth-- then my judgments go forth like the sun." (Hosea 6:5)
 "Therefore this is what the LORD God Almighty says: "Because the people have spoken these words, I will make my words in your mouth a fire and these people the wood it consumes." (Jer.5:14)
 "And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner." (Rev.11:5)

I hope you discern from the foregoing scriptures,
that the "lake of fire" / "hell",
are God's judgments / condemnation,
by means of God's Word ("fire").
(2Pet.3:7,10-13)
Those who do not obey the Bible, are judged worthy of the "second death" ("Lake of Fire").
According to Jesus, this condemnation by God,
is the death of the soul. (Matt.10:28)
That death results from a loss of God's favor, and His abandonment of you, to the Destroyer (Satan). When condemnation is based upon the standards set out by God's Word, one is consigned to that Word's just condemnation ("fire").
One's works are compared to that perfect standard, and the day of light exposes God's verdict 
(Luke8:17; 1Cor.3:13-15; 4:5; 2Thess.1:7; Rev.20:12; Dan.7:9,22).

God repays the wicked with their own wickedness.

    (The wicked do not burn people forever, 
     so according to God's perfect justice, 
     neither will they literally burn forever.)
"Jehovah's Witnesses" are taught that God is not sadistic, and does not desire to burn people forever.
The basis of that "Jehovah's Witness" belief, is Jer.7:31, where God says....
 "They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I did not command, nor would such a thing ever enter my mind."

The "the Valley of 'Ben Hinnom' " (Hebrew) 
(where children were burned as a sacrifice to the false God, "Molech"),
is another name for the place "Gehenna" 
("Ben Hinnom" translated into Greek), 
and is the same place that most Bible translators, translate as "Hell". 

"Gehenna" is the word Jesus used, at Matt.10:28, above (that is usually translated as "hell").
In the King James version, Rev.20:14 reads;
 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
Note that "hell" is also cast into the lake of fire. Is "hell" cast into hell?
No. "Hell", is also destroyed forever. 
Yet this Greek word at Rev.20:14 was not "Gehenna". 
It was "Hades". This is the realm of those considered spiritually dead (also the abyss/sea/deep/"Sheol" -Hebrew). It contains both those physically living, and physically dead.

When God's judgment of the "spiritual dead" is completed, there will be no further need for a holding pen, for those who await God's condemnation ("fire")(2Pet.2:4; 3:7).
Those left standing after the final judgment, will live forever,
because they have repented, and have obeyed the words of Christ (Luke8:11,15; 1John2:14).
 "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life." (John6:63).
Those who have no room for Christ's word in their hearts (John8:37,40; Acts3:22-24), will remain under God's condemnation ("fire"), forever...
their legacy of shame will last forever, as recorded in the everlasting Word of God, which prophesied about them aforetime (Isa.46:10; 40:8; 48:3; Acts 15:18; 2Pet.1:21; Mark13:31; 2Pet.3:7) (Dan.12:2; Isa.66:24; Rev.20:12-15).

Pearl Doxsey

2 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

This is blatantly fake and  I imagine that you know this.

I don't doubt, however,  that your self-righteous outrage, reading this, will be genuine. 

That's how thoroughly self-deluded I think you are about "Sein Kampf".

No, this is not fake; in fact, I am rather surprised you haven't seen the news articles.  I'll post a few here.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2018/02/16/4-dead-keego-harbor-murder-suicide/345756002/

https://nypost.com/2018/02/21/woman-shunned-by-jehovahs-witnesses-kills-entire-family-cops/

I am not enraged, only deeply saddened, knowing this is not the first horrible outcome from shunning individuals for no scriptural reason.   The woman, on the other hand, is most certainly enraged.

 

7 hours ago, John Houston said:

Nana, it comes down to 'common sense' those who are of this ruling class, sitting on thrones, are ruling over someone. This 'great crowd' or multitude which is before them gladly praising this,arrangement because of the relief from sin and death. Not confusing, just simple 'common sense'. As John said, use,of discernment!

John, Rev 1:4; 4:5,6; 4:10; 7:11,15; 8:3; 14;3,5  all speak of activity in heaven “before the throne”.

In Rev 7:11, there are angels, elders and four living creatures before the throne.  This is stated immediately after the great multitude sing praises before the throne.  With these various identities before the throne and most obviously in heaven; so, too, are the great multitude – Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them  Rev 7:15  Only the priesthood is allowed to serve God in the Temple day and night, which Temple they are, and the dwelling of God.   1 Cor 3:16,17    

18 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

What honestly confuses me is that the things you say seem to bear almost no relation to Jehovah's witness beliefs, so that frankly, I have a hard time believing you ever were a Jehovah's witness, yet you and some others seem to think the WT is the center of the universe when it comes to evil conspiratorial oppression on the planet.  All of this is so extreme and getting absolutely frantic in its intensity from my perspective.

I'm not familiar with any of your 'brilliant'  theological innovations, or maybe 'throwback' beliefs would be the term I want, yet I'm 'responsible' now, having been 'informed' of them?,  to confront, stand up to, maybe go into the full time opposition work against people towards whom I feel nothing but admiration and gratitude, on the basis of all your [plural you, concerning whom it may] CASES NOT MADE against them!?!   

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I can assure you, I was a JW for over 32 years.

Are “Jehovah’s Witnesses beliefs” in line with the Bible’s beliefs?  Which of the above quotes I presented by the organization is in line with the Bible?  It is hard to determine, isn’t it?  When “new light” fails, was that particular belief based on scripture? 

The opinion of evil conspiratorial oppression varies with the individual who leaves the organization.   People leave the organization for various reasons – Many cannot tolerate the continual changing doctrine that at the time is called “truth”.  Many realize that salvation comes only through Christ, and not an organization.   Many have not sinned, but are treated as if they have.  You recognize Christ as our Savior, so why would individuals be shunned or disfellowshipped for holding to that belief?   Because, there is more – the organization teaches salvation is only possible by connecting with it, contrary to Jesus’ teachings to worship in spirit and truth.   The “image” that the organization is salvation, is idolatry. 

Do you know this is also the reason why anointed ones are disfellowshipped? They choose to slave for one Master, not an earthly Master.   All of this was prophesied to happen in the latter days. Rev 13:1,4,7,11,14-17

Matt 24:15 has a second fulfillment, a symbolic one, and is verified in Rev 11:1,2; 2 Thess 2:3,4 and Rev 13:5-7;16:13,14,15   The Roman Gentile armies desolated Jerusalem and the temple – “a holy place” – and the only holy place Jesus or God recognized, since the prophecy was uttered from the mouth of Jesus.    While the Watchtower teaches the second fulfillment is with the United Nations (because of one plaque since removed), how can that be true?  Whatever was holy to God in the first fulfillment must be the same in the second fulfillment.  Today’s Temple or “holy place” are the anointed ones.  Revelation tells us what the “disgusting thing” is – “Gentiles” standing in the Temple of God, the Temple comprised of the anointed ones, spiritual “Jews”. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16  They are the living Temple and dwelling of God.   This authentic priesthood has been “trampled”.  Elders have been authorized with power to disfellowship and expect obedience from the “holy place”, God’s Temple priests – God’s dwelling.  Blasphemous words as what I quoted are said about them.  WHO in the organization actually discerns what God’s dwelling is?  Do you?  Does the JW that sits next to you during a meeting know?  Not likely, because it is taught that God’s dwelling is the organization and the buildings owned by the Watchtower. I was anointed around my baptism, but I kept it quiet out of fear and ignorance, not partaking, speaking of it only to another newbie who knew as little as I did. I shelved it so deep, I forgot about it.   For my entire time in the organization, I didn’t know what the Temple of God was until I turned to Christ who opened my spiritual eyes. Rev 3:18  Pearl Doxsey helped me through this transition – she, too, was oppressed during her years in the organization; yet, we are not unusual cases.  Oppression on the anointed ones, comes in many forms. 

THIS is the reason why it is imperative to leave the Watchtower.  “So when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place” (let the reader understand), ^ “then those in Judea must flee to the mountains.”  Matt 24:15,16

“When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that its desolation has come near. ^21 Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains. Those inside the city must leave it, and those who are in the country must not enter it, ^22 because these are days of vengeance to fulfill all the things that are written”  Luke 21:21-22

“When you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be” (let the reader understand), “then those in Judea must flee to the mountains.”  Mark 13:14

The elder body is the abomination of desolation – a false priesthood standing in and over the priesthood/Temple of God.   If we perceive this abomination, the spiritual oppression that takes discernment,  of God’s anointed ones, "let the reader understand", we are to flee.  It is getting intense, and it will only progress in intensity.  

Many, as is this woman, are incensed with the organization for its treatment of victims and the harm it causes, as this news article portrays  https://www.christianpost.com/news/woman-who-killed-self-entire-family-shunned-by-jehovahs-witnesses-for-sending-kids-to-college-218658/  See the video at the bottom.

Armageddon is fought on the low plain of decision, and although Satan will attempt to stage a decoy; the true war is the battle between one’s acceptance of truth, or lies.  Joel 3:14-16

Rev 11:1-3

I wonder what is more confusing to you, @Nana Fofana, Watchtower's contrary doctrine about when Gog and Magog/Beasts of Rev 13 appear, or my words about the Great Crowd.  I would hope you can see the hypocrisy in the two quotes made by the Wt.

Simply put, the Great Crowd are the remaining ones of the woman’s seed (Rev 12:17) that come out of the Great Tribulation, victorious and on the side of truth. 

 After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, “Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God! Rev 19:1

And to her (the Bride Rev 19:7) it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.  Rev 19:8 (compare Rev 7:9,13,14;6:11)

They take on the role of priests “before the throne”

“You are to appoint Aaron and his sons to carry out their priestly responsibilities, but any unauthorized person who comes near the sanctuary is to be put to death.” Num 3:10

Judgment day is now as Wt. will certainly tell you – but there is no other period of judgment to come after Armageddon, as the Wt. will have you believe.  We are judged once, on our dedication to pure truth and standards of God’s Word. John 5:28,29; Acts 24:15: John 12:31

“But as it is, Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. ²¹ For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead also comes through a man. ²² For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive”

We can be spiritually “dead” or spiritually “alive” at this moment. (Eph 2:5)  This is not a temporary period of being “alive” for a mere thousand years, with the threat of losing eternal life to another test of Satan.  Once we recognize and follow the only Master, Christ, we are given the hope of eternal life as long as we are obedient to God’s Word.   1 Pet 1:14

But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward, at his coming, those who belong to Christ. (the rest of Christ’s sheep/God’s children)   Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when he abolishes all rule and all authority and power.  For he must reign until he puts all his enemies under his feet. ²⁶ The last enemy to be abolished is death.  For God has put everything under his feet.  (which happened in the first century Ps 110:1,2)  Now when it says “everything” is put under him, it is obvious that he who puts everything under him is the exception. ²⁸ When everything is subject to Christ, then the Son himself will also be subject to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all.”  1 Cor 15:20-28

Why would the Wt. direct the identity of the Great Crowd away from the anointed?  Well, why do they feel they can replace the priesthood with spiritual “Gentiles”.  Why do they comment,

“Jehovah’s holy spirit helps his servants to be humble, not proud. (Colossians 3:12) So anointed ones do not think that they are better than others”

If within a marriage, a husband is a doctor and a wife is a stay-at-home mom, should the husband feel he is any better than his wife?  We are all worthless slaves, but making such a point adds fuel to Wt.’s next comment –

  They know that Jehovah does not necessarily give anointed ones more holy spirit than he gives his other servants. And they do not feel that they can understand Bible truths more deeply than anyone else. Wt 16/1 pp 20-26

This is most certainly, a lie.  Each step the organization takes to make such accusations, tramples the anointed priesthood into submission. Matt 24:15 If, through an anointing one receives Holy Spirit and the laws of God inscribed on their heart, it is obvious they have been designated for an important assignment, and equipped to do so. 2 Cor 3:3; Rom 2:28,29; 1 John 2:20,21  Yet, Wt’s leaders make their own rules and defy God’s laws, by “trampling” those who carry them in their heart.  They have built their own Zion, disregarding the true Zion and Temple of God. 1 Cor 3:16,17;  Eph 2:20-22; Heb 12:22

 There is only one, already established, Holy Mountain, which Peter and James received a glimpse of when Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus in Luke 9:30-35; 2 Pet 1:18

Every lie said about this priesthood keeps them blind to who they are, what their true identity is, their dedication to only one Master, and how they are to stand with Christ in this battle of truth against lies.  After all, most JWs have no clue that the coming of the Kingdom of God hinges on the faithfulness of the anointed to one Master, Christ. The laws written on their heart lay dormant, and their obligation to teach what is already placed in their heart is left untouched by such words stated above by Wt’s wicked slave. Every single JW should staunchly reject the counterfeit Zion established in the realm of Satan, and seek out the true Zion, built on the anointed Body of Christ, and authorized by the Father.    

The Great Crowd is a segment of the “144,000” -  the anointed remnant to come out of the Great Tribulation, victorious.  Rev 7:14,15  They are the last of the sealed priests to be added to God’s Temple.   Why should God change his ancient decrees about who it is, that stands before the throne of God?  It’s quite a stretch for Wt. to say a “great crowd” does this from earth. They know only priests are allowed to render sacred service in God’s temple; so they fabricated another story and quite a doozy, to mislead millions with untruth. 2 Pet 2:3; Heb.10:11; 8:1,2; 1 Pet 2:5; Rev 7:15

“No one is to enter the temple of the Lord except the priests and Levites on duty; they may enter because they are consecrated, but all the others are to observe the Lord’s command not to enter.^” 2 Chron 23:6

“The duty of the Levites was to help Aaron’s descendants in the service of the temple of the Lord: to be in charge of the courtyards, the side rooms, the purification of all sacred things and the performance of other duties at the house of God. 

They were also to stand every morning to thank and praise the Lord. They were to do the same in the evening”  1 Chron 23:28-30

“But only you and your sons may serve as priests in connection with everything at the altar and inside the curtain. I am giving you the service of the priesthood as a gift. Anyone else who comes near the sanctuary is to be put to death.”  Num 18:7

“They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”  Heb 8:5

The coming Kingdom of God results from the sealing of the last number of “living stones” into the Temple. 1 Pet 5:9,10; Zech 4:7-9  THEN, “New Jerusalem” is complete and comes “down out of heaven” to both rule and serve mankind.  Rev 3:12; 21:2  Revelation is primarily about this remnant conquering Satan and his last evil ploy. 2 Thess 2:9-12 They join the “144,000” who stand for Truth – blameless, with no lie found in their mouths. Rev 14:5 

Rev 20:4-6 mentions the “144,000” reign with Christ during the thousand years, which started when Jesus ascended into heaven.  (Rev 5:9,10) These were never overpowered by the Beasts, to receive the “mark”. Rev 20:4 (Rev 13:15-17)  After the thousand years, the Great Tribulation begins when Satan is released.  Rev 20:2,3,7; 12:12,17  This is the time period when the last of the “144,000” (the number itself represents Truth), the remnant, are under attack by the two beasts of Rev 13.  Those that are victorious, are the “great” crowd – no one knows how many, with “great” having a further meaning than just a number.  Rev 11:1-11

And since the Watchtower has admitted that Gog and Magog, and the Beasts of Revelation are most likely the same identities, this also signifies that the thousand years are ended.

From Wt 13/11/15 pp. 16-20
“The prophecy about seven shepherds and eight dukes has its major fulfillment in our day. The citizens of ancient Jerusalem were attacked by the Assyrians. IN THE NEAR FUTURE, Jehovah’s apparently vulnerable people will come under attack from the modern-day “Assyrian,” WHOSE INTENT WILL BE TO WIPE THEM OUT. (caps are mine) The Scriptures refer to that attack as well as the attack of ‘Gog of Magog,’ the attack of “the king of the north,” and the attack of “the kings of the earth.” (Ezek. 38:2, 10-13; Dan. 11:40, 44, 45; Rev. 17:14; 19:19) Do these represent separate attacks? Not necessarily. The Bible could be referring to the same attack under different names.” 

By saying this, they are admitting there is no battle to face, no deception by Satan, a thousand years after Armageddon.  They can’t have it both ways, but they do try…

“We are told that AT THE END OF THE 1,000 YEARS, Satan will be released from the abyss, and “he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war.” w15 5/15 p. 29-p. 30 par. 5

The first Wt. quote above, states this attack would happen in the “near future”, and is also the Beast of Rev 19:19, which is the same Beast of Rev 13:1, who parleys with the Beast from the Earth/false prophet – but only for a little while longer. Rev 13:11; 17:15-17 

 Please, don’t let the Watchtower fool you!  Surely, it is obvious who fits the identities of the two Beasts - one a false prophet and the other a spirit-breathed/directed "image" - that come against the anointed remnant who are gathered together in the Watchtower. Rev 20:7-10; 13:5-7, 11,14,15

12 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Cowards die a thousand deaths ... the Valiant die but once.

Can you identify what you feel makes the coward, and who is the valiant one?  Only if you care to. 

Paul said he died daily, boasting in Christ, under the danger of doing so.   1 Cor 15:31

(2 Cor 4:10)

Lot put faith in the Lord’s direction to flee Sodom.  Luke 17:28,29  Fleeing sin cannot be reckoned as a cowardly act.  1 Cor 10:12-14; Jer 51:6; Rev 18:4-8

Fleeing the Watchtower because of its sins is giving up a life one knew to gain another – a valiant “death” resulting in life. Luke 17:32,33; Matt 5:11,12; Luke 9:23; 2 Pet 2:4-11; John 16:2; Rev 13:15

Rev 14:1,5;21:7,8

Just curious…

The Kishon River, which winds through the Jezreel Valley in Israel, has not only witnessed, but contributed to epic battle accounts in the Bible. It was at its shore that Elijah had 450 prophets brought down from heights of Mount Carmel, to have them executed for serving the “Baals” – “Masters”. He had gathered all the “children of Israel” and asked, “How long will you falter between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him.” 1 Kings 18:21 He challenged the prophets’ abilities to summon their gods and consume the sacrificial offering they had prepared, according to Elijah’s instructions. The Baals never appeared, despite a long period of 450 individuals pleading and dancing around their altar.

After an amazing display of power, God consumed Elijah’s sacrifice on the symbolic 12-stoned altar, causing the people to cry out, ““The Lord, He is God! The Lord, He is God!”. Shortly afterward, the false prophets met their death at the water’s edge of the River Kishon. 1 Kings 18:22-40
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Kings+18%3A21-40&version=NKJV

The infamous river played an even greater part in Israel’s history when Deborah the prophetess, wife and mother, acted as judge. This was not a time of peace for Israel, as it had been for a previous eighty-year time period, since …..

“the children of Israel AGAIN did evil in the sight of the Lord. So the Lord sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor. The commander of his army was Sisera, who dwelt in Harosheth Hagoyim. And the children of Israel cried out to the Lord; for Jabin had nine hundred chariots of IRON, and for twenty years he had harshly oppressed the children of Israel.” Judges 4:1-3

How is it that God “sold” his people into the hands of Jabin? The Hebrew word figuratively denotes “surrender”. God surrendered his people over to their idolatrous desires and pleasures, removing His divine protection. Yet, always when the pressure was intense, they “cried out to the Lord” to save them from the result of their actions, which manifested through ruthless, invading armies.

Our forgiving and merciful God responded to the cry of Israel by revealing His plan to Deborah, drawing her attention to the tyrannical power Israel faced. She alluded to this awakening in her victory song sung with Barak:

“Awake, awake, Deborah!
Awake, awake, sing a song!
Arise, Barak, and lead your captives away,
O son of Abinoam! Judges 5:12

Apparently, Barak was initially hesitant in obeying God’s command, only promising to go if Deborah accompanied him. In fact, only half of Israel’s twelve tribes came to fight for the Lord, causing Deborah to question their intentions.

“There was great searching of heart
among the clans of Reuben.
Why did you sit among the sheep pens
listening to the playing of pipes for the flocks?
There was great searching of heart
among the clans of Reuben.
17 Gilead remained beyond the Jordan.
Dan, why did you linger at the ships?
Asher remained at the seashore
and stayed in his harbors.
The people of Zebulun defied death,
Naphtali also, on the heights of the battlefield.” Judges 5:15b-18

The supposed city of Meroz was especially damned:

“Curse Meroz,” says the angel of the Lord,
“Bitterly curse her inhabitants,
for they did not come to help the Lord, 
to help the Lord with the warriors.” Judges 5:23

Under the leadership of the Lord and by the mouth of a woman, Jabin’s vast army under Sisera was defeated. Because of Barak’s indecisiveness, it was also at the hands of a woman that Sisera met his end. Still, the book of Hebrews enlightens us that Barak’s faith was reinforced when battling under the Lord’s direction. Judges 4:14; Jer 1:9; Heb 11:32-34  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+4%3A14%3B+Jer+1%3A9%3B+Heb+11%3A32-34&version=NKJV

With only a sword, Barak and the armies of Israel brought Sisera’s 900 chariots of iron to a complete halt. At flood stage, the Kishon River finished off the battle by sweeping all evidence of the massive army off the landscape. It lived up to the meaning of its name – “tortuous”, and “a place of catch, of ensnarement”.

“The kings came and fought,
Then the kings of Canaan fought
In Taanach, by the waters of Megiddo;
They took no spoils of silver.
They fought from the heavens;
The stars from their courses fought against Sisera.
The torrent of Kishon swept them away,
That ancient torrent, the torrent of Kishon." Judges 5:19-21

The early Bible accounts can play out symbolically today, helping us discern the powerful, yet covert foe that has come against Gods chosen people, present in the Watchtower. Although JWs “cry out to the Lord” concerning persecution they face; for instance, in Russia, God does not listen to prayers given on behalf of an idol – on behalf of “Jehovah’s spirit-directed organization”. Rev 13:1,2,4-8  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+13%3A1%2C2%2C4-8+++&version=NKJV

 No, this great foe, disguised as a blessing from God, wears “breastplates of IRON”… Rev 9:9

“Their appearance is like the appearance of horses;
And like swift steeds, so they run.
With a noise like chariots
Over mountaintops they leap,
Like the noise of a flaming fire that devours the stubble,
Like a strong people set in battle array.” Joel 2:4,5

While it is true God has surrendered His people to this army for their acts of idolatry and acceptance of lies, He has again…

alerted a “woman” – Gal 4:22,23; Rev 12:6,14; 11:3,4

who is both a “wife” – 2 Cor 11:2;Rev 21:9;22:17

and a “mother” – Gal 4:26; Rev 12:2,5

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal+4%3A22%2C23%3B+Rev+12%3A6%2C14%3B+11%3A3%2C4%3B2+Cor+11%3A2%3BRev+21%3A9%3B22%3A17%3BGal+4%3A26%3B+Rev+12%3A2%2C5&version=NKJV

…to sound the alarm and gather an army to “fight” for the Lord. This prophet has awoken to the atrocious condition of God’s Temple priesthood. Just as in Deborah’s day when “the highways were deserted, and “village life ceased in Israel”, the modern day invading army has left God’s Temple of “living stones” a “desolate wilderness”. 2 Cor 6:14-18; Mal 3:1; Ezek 2:7,5; Matt 25:6; Matt 17:11; 24:15; Rev 12:17; Joel 2:3; Lev 26:22; Zech 7:14  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=”.+2+Cor+6%3A14-18%3B+Mal+3%3A1%3B+Ezek+2%3A7%2C5%3B+Matt+25%3A6%3B+Matt+17%3A11%3B+24%3A15%3B+Rev+12%3A17%3B+Joel+2%3A3%3B+Lev+26%3A22%3B+Zech+7%3A14&version=NKJV

Those of the “woman” covenant who were once under siege, are the prophetic “two witnesses”, making the determining trumpet call for God’s chosen ones to leave their captivity, join forces with Christ, and stand on the side of Truth. They are the “stars” battling “from the heavens” in this war of Armageddon. Ezek 14:22; Matt 24:31; Rev.9:13,14; 12:6; 11:3; John 8:32,36; 1 Cor 7:23;Rev 12:7; Dan 12:3; Rev 1:20  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+14%3A22%3B+Matt+24%3A31%3B+Rev.9%3A13%2C14%3B+12%3A6%3B+11%3A3%3B+John+8%3A32%2C36%3B+1+Cor+7%3A23%3BRev+12%3A7%3B+Dan+12%3A3%3B+Rev+1%3A20&version=NKJV

How many members of the symbolic “12 tribes of Israel” will respond to the call? Sadly, the majority of the anointed ones appear accepting of their plight. With senses dulled to the danger that surrounds them, they have not called out to the Lord asking for His help. The army of ELDERS holds tight reigns on God’s people, influenced by Satan’s sorcery. Rev 16:13; 18:23 The anointed and all are held captive under his grand deception. Are they taking their side in this battle of truth against lies by remaining mute and hidden, in like manner as Meroz, the city that did not take up arms with Barak and received a curse from an angel of God? Rom.9:27; Rev.13:7,8  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+16%3A13%3B+18%3A23%3B+Rom.9%3A27%3B+Rev.13%3A7%2C8&version=NKJV

I am awestruck at the depth of God’s word and meanings. This elusive city has many connotations behind its name and at its roots – the “Place of Cedars”, a “place of withdrawing”, a large number, and “is not too far removed from the Greek verb μυριζω (murizo), meaning to anoint or sprinkle with μυρον (muron), which denotes a costly ointment”. All of these characteristics aptly describe the anointed “trees” who are purposefully withdrawn from view by a wicked/”king”/slave and his army of “scorpion/locusts”. Meroz can symbolize today’s “apostate city” under God’s curse. Luke 6:43-45; Luke 21:21,22; Matt.24:15,16; Rev.18:4  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+6%3A43-45%3B+Luke+21%3A21%2C22%3B+Matt.24%3A15%2C16%3B+Rev.18%3A4&version=NKJV

God’s people remain under siege with all JWs who are pressed into a spiritual state of famine. Mark 13:8;Luke 21:20-22 Satan uses his invading army and kings to disperse his river of lies; a torrential, invasive flood (by definition, the “waters of MEGIDDO”) which has ensnared God’s people with death-dealing falsehoods.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+6%3A43-45%3B+Luke+21%3A21%2C22%3B+Matt.24%3A15%2C16%3B+Rev.18%3A4&version=NKJV

From Pearl Doxsey’s article “EARTH SWALLOWS SATAN’S RIVER”
Rev 12:15,16 – “So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.“

“In the time of the end, Satan forcefully "spews" this fluid from his mouth. Because this water is aimed with force and direction, it is said to be "like a river"/"flood".

What is Jesus telling us, when it says that this "water" comes from Satan's "mouth"? 
Jesus also said, 
"The devil....does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of the lie." (John8:44; Matt.15:11) Satan's "resources" are told to us... (Rev.16:13; 13:2;2Chron.18:21). He is using the "false prophet" and the "Wild Beast", empowering that Beast and prophet with every worldly resource he possesses (Rev.13:2,11,13,7; Rev.9:1,10; Eze.14:15; Rev.13:17)."https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John8%3A44%3B+Matt.15%3A11%3BRev.16%3A13%3B+13%3A2%3B2Chron.18%3A21%3BRev.13%3A2%2C11%2C13%2C7%3B+Rev.9%3A1%2C10%3B+Eze.14%3A15%3B+Rev.13%3A17&version=NKJV

These spiritual "waters" that Satan spews at the "woman" (Through the Beast and false prophet), can not be the "living water" of Truth. No. This river from Satan's mouth (Matt.12:34; Num.21:6; Rev.9:2,3), are powerful lying signs and portents (2Thess.2:9) and the messengers that carry them (Dan.9:26-27; 11:10; Joel 2:2)...intended to destroy the "woman"/promise/New Covenant.”  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.12%3A34%3B+Num.21%3A6%3B+Rev.9%3A2%2C3%3B+2+Thess+2%3A9%3B+Dan.9%3A26-27%3B+11%3A10%3B+Joel+2%3A2&version=NKJV

This symbolic river, a “place of ensnarement” will not only take the lives of the invading army, but also those who fail to stand up and fight on the side of Truth for the Lord. Rev 19:19

JWS! Who is your Master? Do you serve the “Baals” – an elder body who shows outward piety, but expects your full obedience to the organization? Prophets of God are sent to warn of impending danger resulting from His people’s sins – the fall into idolatry, spiritual immorality, and the gulping down of lies. 2Cor11:12,13,20    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+19%3A19%3B+2+Cor+11%3A12%2C13%2C20+&version=NKJV

Yes, IDOLATRY.

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with ALL YOUR HEART and with ALL YOUR SOUL and with ALL YOUR MIND.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the LAW AND THE PROPHETS hang on these two commandments.”

Is this what the Watchtower EXPECTS you to do? NO.

Wt 11/7/15 - “Why are we so determined to avoid them? (“false” teachers) FIRST OF ALL, it is because we love “the God of truth.” So we do not want to listen to false teachings that go against the truth in God’s Word. (Psalm 31:5; John 17:17) WE ALSO LOVE THE ORGANIZATION that Jehovah uses to teach his wonderful truths.

God has no connection with any earthly entity in Satan’s domain. The organization and God are NOT on a level plain, as the Watchtower has convinced you believe. They are not one and the same. 
“The Lord, He is God!” Isa 40:25; Deut 4:39  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+40%3A25%3B+Deut+4%3A39&version=NKJV

“For this is what the Lord of Armies, the God of Israel, says: “Don’t let your prophets who are among you and your diviners deceive you, and don’t listen to the dreams you elicit from them, for they are prophesying falsely to you in my name. I have not sent them.” This is the Lord’s declaration.

For this is what the Lord says: “When seventy years for Babylon are complete, I will attend to you and will confirm my promise concerning you to restore you to this place. 11 For I know the plans I have for you”—this is the Lord’s declaration—“plans for your well-being, not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope. 12 You will call to me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you search for me with all your heart. 14 I will be found by you”—this is the Lord’s declaration—“and I will restore your fortunes[c] and gather you from all the nations and places where I banished you”—this is the Lord’s declaration. “I will restore you to the place from which I deported you.”

15 You have said, “The Lord has raised up prophets for us in Babylon!” 16 But this is what the Lord says concerning the king sitting on David’s throne and concerning all the people living in this city—that is, concerning your brothers who did not go with you into exile. 17 This is what the Lord of Armies says: “I am about to send sword, famine, and plague against them, and I will make them like rotten figs that are inedible because they are so bad. 18 I will pursue them with sword, famine, and plague. I will make them a horror to all the kingdoms of the earth—a curse and a desolation, an object of scorn and a disgrace among all the nations where I have banished them. 19 I will do this because they have not listened to my words”—this is the Lord’s declaration—“the words that I sent to them with my servants the prophets time and time again. And you too have not listened.” This is the Lord’s declaration.

JWs! Gird your sword, take a stand for TRUTH, and escape the certain covenant of death – “Babylon”
Isa 28:15,18; Re 17:15; Matt 24:6; Heb 4:12; Eph 6:10-17; 2Thess.2:8;Rev.2:16; 19:11,15  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+28%3A15%2C18%3B+Re+17%3A15%3B+Matt+24%3A6%3B+Heb+4%3A12%3B+Eph+6%3A10-17%3B+2Thess.2%3A8%3BRev.2%3A16%3B+19%3A11%2C15).+&version=NKJV

Pearl Doxsey:

“When considering your cited verses in Jer.29:10-19, it reminded me of two scripture references about our abandonment to Satanic trial and the result of our faithfulness. Those two scripture references, are connected to Jer.29 as well.....

Isa.54: "6 The Lord will call you back
as if you were a wife deserted and distressed in spirit—
a wife who married young,
only to be rejected,” says your God.
**7 “For a brief moment I abandoned you,
but with deep compassion I will bring you back.**
8 In a surge of anger
I hid my face from you for a moment,
but with everlasting kindness
I will have compassion on you,”
says the Lord your Redeemer.
11 “Afflicted city, lashed by storms and not comforted,
I will rebuild you with stones of turquoise,
your foundations with lapis lazuli.
12 I will make your battlements of rubies,
your gates of sparkling jewels,
and all your walls of precious stones.
13 All your children will be taught by the Lord,
and great will be their peace." (Isa.54)

16 Jesus went on to say, **“In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me.”**
19 Jesus saw that they wanted to ask him about this, so he said to them, “Are you asking one another what I meant when I said, ‘In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me’? 20 Very truly I tell you, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy. 21 A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world. 22 So with you: Now is your time of grief, but I will see you again and you will rejoice, and no one will take away your joy. 23 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name."
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I also think about Jer.29:10, where it says that "when 70 years are finished for Babylon". I recently hit upon God's interpretation for 70 years. It was at Isa.23:15. 
"At that time Tyre will be forgotten for ***seventy years, the span of a king’s life.*** But at the end of these seventy years, it will happen to Tyre as in the song of the prostitute"
(see also, Jer.25:12)  So our symbolic 70 years, is how long we are to be dominated by the Gentiles, the "man of lawlessness", Satan, and the false prophet... Satan's "short period of time" (Luke21:24)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer+25%3A12%3B+Luke+21%3A24&version=NKJV

By a statement in the Jan.18 Watchtower magazine; ......
"In the days leading up to the Memorial, we can set aside time to examine prayerfully and carefully our personal relationship with Jehovah. How can we do that? By ‘testing whether we are in the faith.’ To do that, we do well to ask ourselves: ‘Do I really believe that I am part of the only organization that Jehovah has approved to accomplish his will?".......

In effect, does not this statement equate being an obedient slave of the "Watchtower", with being "in the faith"? (1Cor.7:23;Rom.6:16; Gal.1:10)
The "faith" being spoken of in the scripture they quote (2Cor.13:5), is according to the Bible,  the faith provided by the teaching of Jesus Christ (Rom.3:22; 8:1; Phil.3:8-9; Matt.7:24-27; Eph.2:20)
... *not a faith rooted in the vacillating doctrine of the Organization. Our "testing" properly occurs, when we are building our faith on the words of Christ.... not the present releases or bound volumes of the doctrines of men.

I hope all will intensely consider, that this statement by the WT, 
is crystallized in the symbolic meaning of Rev.13:16. 
Deut.11:18 conveys the interpretation of that verse. There it tells us, that we receive a symbolic mark on our forehead, by the spiritual master of our faith (Rev.7:3). We are either slaves of God's truths, or slaves of the doctrines of men (666), which is idolatry. Making that choice (Joel 3:14; 2:32; Luke17:30-32; Rev.18:4), means a decision between life, or death (Rom.6:16).

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44 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

but if Christ is truly with you and you said I claim the NKJV is accurate, and I quote: You mentioned somewhere here, that you felt the NKJV was the more accurate choice of translation of the Bible.

You are right.  I misquoted you, and I apologize.  Your words to John Butler on 2/14 were:

“I would trust the KJV/NKJV 100% if I were you.  Several reasons, perhaps even more as to why I think as such, as do the majority of those who are aware of truth.”

These two versions define proskyneō  in  John 9:38 as “worship”, but you didn’t include them in your list earlier, yet you trust them.   

In each case, when concerning Jesus in the NWT, “proskyneo” is not defined as “worship”, with Rev. 5:12-14 as an exception; and there they HAD to, because God is mentioned. 

In the case of Satan, it is frequently, if not always, defined as “worship”; as well as with God.

Hypocrisy.

John 5:23 – “so that all people may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.”

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

You really need to be careful.

This is all I will comment on:

For Jesus' response to Satan was clear as the blue sky and the sea: ‘You shall worship the Lord [YHWH] your God and him only shall you serve. - Matthew 4:10 (see Deuteronomy 5:9, 6:13, 10:20 and Luke 4:8).

Who was listening to this conversation?  Only Jesus and Satan were involved, and Jesus was reminding Satan who HE should worship.  Jesus obviously worships the Father.    This does not take away relative worship due Christ by mankind.

Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” ³⁶ He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?”³⁷ And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” ³⁸ Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.  John 9:35-38

Did Jesus stop him?  No.  You mentioned somewhere here, that you felt the NKJV was the more accurate choice of translation of the Bible.  Now, it appears you are leaning on the NWT when it suits you.  I find that rather interesting.

 Heb 1:6 - But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”

Others will be “worshiped” as well.   Rev 3:9

I do not want to think that the glory of the Christ is hidden from you, as it is from JWs.  But, it appears to be.  Luke 9:28,29; 2 Pet 1:17,18; John 1:14; 17:1-5

Many "Jehovah's Witnesses" have said to me, 
"Don't you think that we should just wait on Jehovah to straighten things out in the leadership of the Organization? Surely Jehovah will take care of things in His own due time."

Has not God already made clear how He handles wayward leadership and those who cling to them who lead His people astray? Did he "straighten out" Jerusalem, when they rejected His Son? How does God always conclude his covenants with those who reject His guidance? What happened in 70 C.E.?
Don't you remember Christ's warning, at Matt.24:15,16?

Please consider my scriptural reply to your questions....
Because of the critical times in which we live, we must consult Yhwh's direction in this (Prov.3:5,6).
Certainly, we do not want to view the continuing existence of sin and false doctrines as Yhwh's fault, as if  He wants it to continue until He feels inclined to correct it (1John1:5; Rom.3:4). Any apostasy that exists, is due to men, and not due to God's complacency. 
True, this futility and operation of error is being permitted by Yhwh (Rom.8:20; 2Thess.2:11,9), but not without purpose! 
Be certain that you see clearly what that purpose is!


2Thess.2:9,10,11,12 tells us, that Yhwh allows this test by Satan, so that those who do not really love Him and the truth, will be deceived and marked. The outcome? Eze.14:10; 2Thess.2:10,12; Rev.13:8 and Rev.19:20,21 answer.
Does Yhwh really hold accountable, and condemn, those who are deceived into subjection to corrupt leaders, or even just the complacent condoning of an environment of corruption?
See Ezek.14:10; 1Tim.2:14; Psalm26:4 make the answer to that clear.
So, if we continue to subject ourselves to a false prophet and continue to take in the spiritual food they provide; how does Yhwh view us? (Matt.15:14; 1Cor.10:21,22; Rev.2:2,14,16,20,21,22,23).
"Waiting on Jehovah" is for the endurance of injustice, after you have actually been subjected to it for righteousness' sake(Rev.6:10; 1Pet.2:19; 5:9; Matt.5:10,11,12; Gal.5:1,7,8; Matt.10:32; Rom.8:17; 2Tim.2:12). 
The example of Christ was to speak out against religious corruption and poisonous spiritual food (Matt.23). He knew that Truth was the only way to salvation (John14:6; 17:3,17). He was willing to die to provide the vital warning, that we must not be complacent followers (John18:37; 8:40; Matt.23:13,33,38; 5:20; 15:14). So also, do his brothers and true followers (Luke9:23,24;Rev.6:11; 12:11; Matt.5:13,14,15,16). If we know what is right, and do not do it; it is a sin for us (James4:17; Gen.3:3). We know it is right, to warn those in spiritual peril (Ezek.3:18; 33:8). We know it is wrong to tolerate wicked leaders (Rev.2:20; 2Kings9:7;Eze.13:17; 2Cor.11:4,20,13,12,3).

Sitting still in silence, is not truly, "waiting on Jehovah"...as if His patience is to blame for our drunken sleep.
We do not "wait on Jehovah" for Him to make us take action to do what is right (Deut.30:15,19; Luke13:24). Yhwh is not going to force the corrupt ones to change, so we should stop waiting for that. He is allowing a short time, to see what WE will choose; the condoning of corruption...or faithful action that results in life. (Gal.6:4; Mark10:29,30; Rev.2:2; 2Cor.6:17; Rev18:4; Mark 8:35)
We have free will, and must choose for ourselves to obey His warnings and guidance. "Waiting" will not accomplish this, nor save us. Decisive action was needed to save Noah and his family (Gen.6:22; Heb.12:25). It is the same today (Matt.24:37; 1Cor.10:11).


Many may be under the impression that we have enough time before the end; and that there is time for the Organization to be cleansed and repaired. The reality is, that no longer will imperfect men running an imperfect organization, rule in righteousness during the remainder of Satan's system. 
The very next kings will be Yhwh, Christ, and his glorified brothers (2Pet.3:5,6,7,11,13; Rev.12:10; 6:10,11; 14:1). These have no need of a man-made Temple, buildings, or Organization (John4:21,23,24; Matt.24:2; Isa.26:5; Job 5:11; Eze.21:25,26,27;Luke14:11). God himself is constructing his own, perfected "organization"; and the last of the living stones are taking their place in the completed Tabernacle of God (1Cor.15:50; 1Pet.2:5,9; 1Cor.3:16; Eph.2:20,21,22; Heb.11:10; Acts7:48; Zech.4:9-10) This everlasting and glorious "organization" comes down out of heaven from God (Rev.21:2,3,4,5; 22:3,4; Dan.2:44); not up from the ashes of corruption and sin (Job 14:4).

Yhwh has made plain in so many scriptures, that now is not the time for loyalty to those condemned. It is a time for fleeing, an opened door provided by the merciful compassion of the King of Eternity; who does not implement the cleansing fire of His wrath, until first He warns His prophets (Amos3:7; 2Pet.1:21). 
Let him that has ears...listen!
(Luke21:21,22; 17:32; Isa.52:11; 2Cor.6:17; Jer.51:45; Rev.18:4)

Pearl Doxsey, 4womaninthewilderness

17 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Incorrect.

Thank you for your thoughts, and you made very good points; yet, I am not trying to prove that Jesus is God the Father.  I recognize him as the Savior and Son God sent us, and one He expects us to listen to.

“While he was still speaking, suddenly a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said: “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased. Listen to him!”  Matt 17:5

And if He wants our attention to be focused on His Son as our Savior, then, we should call on him.

“To the church of God at Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called as saints, with all those in every place who call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord—both their Lord and ours.”  1 Cor 1:2

JWs cannot do this.  They cannot call on Christ since it is deemed “worship” – which, according to scripture, giving relative worship to Jesus is perfectly acceptable to God. 1 Cor 15:27,28  This is another alteration that the Wt. has succeeded in doing with the Bible, and the word “proskuneo”.  Jer 23:26; 2 Pet 3:16

Of course, Christians knew Jesus!  You stopped at Romans 10:13.  He then addresses the unbelief of Israel – God’s chosen nation - about the Christ, and proves to me that in the case of Rom 10:13,  “Lord” – “kyrios” refers to Jesus.

Rom 10:14 – 21:

 How, then, can they call on him they have not believed in?  And how can they believe without hearing about him? And how can they hear without a preacher? ¹⁵ And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news. ¹⁶ But not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, Lord, who has believed our message? ¹⁷ So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the message about Christ. ¹⁸ But I ask, “Did they not hear?”

Yes, they did:

Their voice has gone out to the whole earth,
and their words to the ends of the world.

¹⁹ But I ask, “Did Israel not understand?” First, Moses said,

I will make you jealous
of those who are not a nation;
I will make you angry by a nation
that lacks understanding.

²⁰ And Isaiah says boldly,

I was found
by those who were not looking for me;
I revealed myself
to those who were not asking for me.

²¹ But to Israel he says, All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and defiant people.”

Paul’s own experience of calling on the name of Jesus:

“Someone named Ananias, a devout man according to the law, who had a good reputation with all the Jews living there, ¹³ came and stood by me and said, ‘Brother Saul, regain your sight.’ And in that very hour I looked up and saw him. ¹⁴ And he said, ‘The God of our ancestors has appointed you to know his will, to see the Righteous One, and to hear the words from his mouth, ¹⁵ since you will be a witness for him to all people of what you have seen and heard. ¹⁶ And now, why are you delaying? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’  Acts 22:12-16 (Rev 20:4)

 “Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. ¹⁴ If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.^” John 14:13,14

Watchtower’s Kingdom Interlinear uses “me” in the word-for-word, but deletes it when translating it to the more readable version.  When asking Jesus anything in line with God’s will, which is calling on his name to do so, we then “listen to him” through his spiritual guidance.

As far as stewards – each anointed one is a steward of God’s Word to protect it and guard against falsehoods.

“A person should think of us in this way: as servants of Christ and managers of the mysteries of God. In this regard, it is required that managers be found faithful. It is of little importance to me that I should be judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I don’t even judge myself.”  1 Cor 4:1,2

Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding irreverent and empty speech and contradictions from what is falsely called knowledge. 1 Tim 6:20

This means exposing those who claim they are stewards, yet breathe wayward doctrine; new light that becomes empty speech and most certainly is falsely called, knowledge.  This is a conspiracy when a leader teaches falsehood, and later dismisses it without apology; further covering up their ignorance by blaming it on Christ for not feeding them “proper food”.  Acts 20:28-30; Matt 7:15-20; 2 Cor 10:3-5  You do know this, don't you?

Babylon, meaning confusion, which “new light” most certainly is; cannot be a physical place referenced in the symbolic book of Revelation, but a promise. Isa 28.  I realize you know quite a bit about the history of the Watchtower, and I believe part of its teachings.  However, you don’t know what it is to be a JW for over 30 years – to believe each and every doctrine that changes like a blown light bulb, and to be gullibly accepting of obedience to men; only to find out that it is a prophetic delusion used to mislead God’s authentic anointed people.  2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 13: 1,5-7,11-18

17 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

you are condemning yourself by condemning others.

Have I judged you?  I leave that to Christ.  But you have judged me ?

Does the Watchtower judge God’s servants when they reject their lies? Yes, it’s called disfellowshipping – a spiritual “death”.

Does the GB care about their “fellow servants” who write volumes of letters questioning their faulty teachings?

Nope.

17 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

I’ll stick with scripture.

 

Yes, please do.  Watchtower’s doctrine can change at a moment’s notice.

17 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

Everyone has a way of understanding the Watchtower Literature. Too bad it hasn't been the right way.

If it were the right way, it would be comprehensible; something to rely on 5 years down the road - spiritual food that wouldn’t perish with time.  John 6:27

17 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

I guess you like condemning the ancient prophets along with Jesus, too.

Really, the things you assume about me.  They were true prophets.

“I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.  I will hold accountable whoever does not listen to my words that he speaks in my name.  But the prophet who presumes to speak a message in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods—that prophet must die.’ You may say to yourself, ‘How can we recognize a message the Lord has not spoken?’ ²² When a prophet speaks in the Lord’s name, and the message does not come true or is not fulfilled, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.  Deut 18:18-22

17 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

Since that's what the Watchtower has been referring to for over a hundred years.

If the Watchtower had been sticking close to the scriptures for over a 100 years, there would be no failed list of teachings/prophesies.  Deut 18:18-22 would have put enough fear in its leaders to keep them focused solely on the Word of Christ and not on packaging their own brand of “truth” – a mixed bag of “made up stories”.  2 Pet 2:1-3

3 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

*trigger warning/ cuidado!* for what follows,

[ because you said you were sick of hearing the words immediately following ]

  -"He fed many through the hands of a few."  

Definition of a “steward”  -

One who manages another's property, finances, or other affairs.

2. One who is in charge of the household affairs of a large estate, club, hotel, or resort.

3. A ship's officer who is in charge of provisions and dining arrangements.

4. An attendant on a ship or airplane. 

5. An official who supervises or helps to manage an event.

Is a steward of a household, the one who buys the food?  Does he prepare it?  Does he do the laundry? 

Luke 12:42; Eph 2:19; 1 Tim 3:15; 5:8 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+12%3A42%3B+Eph+2%3A19%3B+1+Tim+3%3A15%3B+5%3A8 &version=CSB

As “steward”/manager over the anointed “house” of God, the GB demands to do it all.  Are they doing their job under the regulations of what a “steward” is, or have they abused their position?  Matt 24:46

All the provision that anointed ones could provide through their anointing is taken away by the one slogan – “feeding many through the hands of a few”.    The anointed ones have become slaves to a “wicked steward”.  Rather than treasure each one’s gift and talents that God gave them, the GB squanders them away by keeping them in submission to themselves, and a false priesthood – elder body. (1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  The GB abuses not only their fellow “servants” by keeping them silent,  but they resist the Holy Spirit’s provisions that are gifts unused, and found in each anointed heart.  Matt 24:46,48,49; Luke 12:37,45,47 

Ezek 34:17-22,11-16; Isa 65:13; Rev 8:10,11  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A46%2C48%2C49%3B+Luke+12%3A37%2C45%2C47%3B ++Ezek+34%3A17-22%2C11-16%3B+Isa+65%3A13%3B+Rev+8%3A10%2C11&version=CSB

Do you believe that the GB has more to offer than any other anointed slave of Christ? By disregarding the guidelines of a faithful steward, all evidence shows they have lost the “talent” of Holy Spirit first given them. Matt 13:12; 25:24,26-30  They have created a schism, detaching themselves from the Head – Christ.  1 Cor 12:1-26  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+13%3A12%3B+25%3A24%2C26-30%3B+1+Cor+12%3A1-26&version=CSB

What happens when the anointed realize this and speak up?  Psychological “beating” occurs.  Matt 24:49 Disfellowshipping occurs.  John 16:2,4; Matt 10:16,26,28; 24:49; Rev 13:14,15  Anointed have been waking up to this for a long while.  Gal 1:10   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A49%3B+John+16%3A2%2C4%3B+Matt+10%3A16%2C26%2C28%3B+24%3A49%3B++Rev+13%3A14%2C15%3B Gal+1%3A10&version=CSB

The GB stamps their spiritual food with a trademark; and distributes it through their cohorts – elder body, who imbibe on the same wine/teachings.   Anyone teaching outside of this boundary is condemned. Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:1,2,16,17  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+Matt+24%3A48-51%3B+Rev+13%3A1%2C2%2C16%2C17&version=CSB

This organizational structure suppresses the Holy Spirit’s direction that could be obtained by all.  Truly, the GB have robbed each JW of what could be life-giving spiritual food. 

“It was granted to him (organizational “beast”) to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.  Rev 13:7

You will not find a faithful “steward” over God’s household under such deviousness and desirous prominence and power; but outside this arrangement, where faithful “slaves” of Christ work together to feed those who are leaving the Wt. spiritually starved. 

Ezek 34:23; Rev 11:3,4; John 16:3; Luke 12:37; Matt 10:27,40,20; John 21:17  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+34%3A23%3B+Rev+11%3A3%2C4%3B+John+16%3A3%3B+Luke+12%3A37%3B+Matt+10%3A27%2C40%2C20%3B+John+21%3A17++ &version=CSB

 

You quoted scriptures from Rom 10, but look at Rom 10:13.  The NWT erroneously says “call on the name of Jehovah”.  The “good news” at that time, was the preaching of Christ and his teachings (Rom 10:9) Israel was already aware of who God was.  It is the name of Jesus Christ that should be placed in Rom 10:13

Rom 10:14-17- How, then, can they call on him they have not believed in? And how can they believe without hearing about him? And how can they hear without a preacher? ^ And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news. ^16 But not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, Lord, who has believed our message? ^17 So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the message about Christ.

Has the Watchtower “obeyed the gospel” by changing its directive?