Witness

I am sure that if they awoke to just who they are, the rest of the anointed ones in the organization -  may agree with Paul:

"Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying: “Nothing beyond what is written.” The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another.  

For I think God has displayed us, the apostles, in last place, like men condemned to die: We have become a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to people.  We are fools for Christ, but you are wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are distinguished, but we are dishonored!  Up to the present hour we are both hungry and thirsty; we are poorly clothed, roughly treated, homeless;  we labor, working with our own hands. When we are reviled, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it;  when we are slandered, we respond graciously.

Even now, we are like the scum of the earth, like everyone’s garbage." 1 Cor 4:6-13

”Jehovah leads and feeds those in the earthly part of his organization by means of “the faithful and discreet slave” under the direction of Christ, the “head of the congregation.” w16 November pp. 14-18

If these men were “inspired”, the above statement would be true.  It takes inspiration from Holy Spirit, for them to receive Christ’s direction. Spirit must be infused in the person to guide them in the way of Christ; but we have it in print, that it is not the case with the GB. 1 John 2:4; 1 John 3:24

Instead, they rely on the voting system. It once was a required two-thirds majority in favor of passing new rules or doctrine; which at least you could understand that individuals had the freedom to reject an idea; although I was shocked that voting was even considered.  Now, the GB must be 100 percent in agreement when passing new rules/doctrine. 

How many teachings of past leaders have been rejected by today’s leaders?  How far back does it go, that Wt’s leaders were not inspired?  Whether two-thirds or 100 percent needed to agree on doctrine by men admitting to not having inspiration, it is apparent that it began with Russell. 

Maybe this new GB member is not rule-oriented, but it really doesn’t matter.  He must go with the flow, and it may be a rude awakening for him. 

These scriptures have spiritual fulfillment today:

“Jesus called them over and said, “You know that the rulers (elder body) of the Gentiles (those not anointed) lord it over them,

and those in high positions (GB) act as tyrants over them. 

 It must not be like that among you. On the contrary, whoever wants to become great among you (among the anointed chosen Body of Christ, since Jesus was speaking to his future apostles) must be your servant*, and whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave*;  just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”  Matt 20:25-28

*This is not the practice with the GB.  They authorize their appointed rulers (elder body) to judge their fellow anointed slaves as not worthy of spiritual life.  Are they serving their brothers in Christ, or condemning them through acts of tyranny?  Matt 24:48-51; 1 John 2:9-11; James 2:4  Uninspired men fabricate rules and doctrine that every JW must obey, and it is called guidance from God through Christ – or from a “spirit-directed organization”.  I imagine in my mind a looming spiritual power within the world since that is where it is physically built and seen, breathing a spirit, but not from the Almighty God.  1 John 2:15-17; Eph 2:1,2; Rev 13:11-15

Without holy inspiration, in what manner does God and Christ guide the organization?  The GB? The members?  It can be said a thousand times that God directs the organization, the “faithful slave”, the elder body – yet one slip of truth will wipe out each and every one of those false claims.  That being, the Governing Body is not inspired by Holy Spirit; and if they are not inspired by God's spirit, neither is the organization.    1 John 2:27,18,19; Mal 3:18; Matt 24:4,5

On 1/22/2018 at 6:00 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I wonder if there are any nearby that are up to a little Sherlock Holmes detective work ?

 

What kind of car is used to escort the GB?  On Google maps, the satellite image shows a large white topped car in the driveway of 51 Woods Road.  Someone, could always call an owner of the property adjacent to these addresses, and ask questions....  Google maps gives the address of each house in the areas ,by clicking on them.  "Beenverified" will give the owner's name.  

1 hour ago, Witness said:

a spiritual house, are being built to be a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. "  

This building crafted by God, has been rejected by the organization; and although their teachers hypocritically speak freely of Christ, they have failed to recognize him as the chief cornerstone of God’s Temple. Thus, they determinedly reject each “living stone” as a vital proponent to God’s House. 2 Cor 11:3; 1 Pet 2:6-8

Just as the scriptures prophesied would happen. Dan 8:10,24; Rev 13:1,4,6,7 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan+8%3A10%2C24%3B+Rev+13%3A1%2C4%2C6%2C7+&version=CSB

JWs, what looms larger in the mind, the attractive picture of men’s accomplishments, giving you what you expect from your donations; or God’s dwelling within individuals who have sadly FAILED to shine their LIGHT under the dominion of the Wild Beast? Phil 2:15; 2 Pet 3:17 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Phil+2%3A15%3B+2+Pet+3%3A17+&version=CSB

“From one of them a little horn emerged and grew extensively toward the south and the east and toward the beautiful land. It grew as high as the heavenly army, made some of the army and some of the STARS fall to the earth, and trampled them. It acted arrogantly even against the Prince of the heavenly army; it revoked his regular sacrifice and overthrew the place of his sanctuary. In the rebellion, the army was given up, together with the REGULAR SACRIFICE. The horn threw truth to the ground and was successful in what it did.” Dan 8:9-12

Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:4

On 1/1/2018 at 2:16 PM, Bible Speaks said:

Current image of the newly opened Warwick World Central.

Should we be so impressed?  Would Jesus be impressed?  

"As he was going out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Teacher, look! What massive stones! What impressive buildings!”  Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left upon another—all will be thrown down.”  Mark 13:1,2

 Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it up in three days.”  Therefore the Jews said, “This temple took forty-six years to build, and will you raise it up in three days?”

 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.  So when he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the statement Jesus had made." John 2:19-22

"As you come to him, a living stone—rejected by people but chosen and honored by God—  you yourselves, as living stones, a spiritual house, are being built to be a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. "  

"But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,  a people for his possession,  so that you may proclaim the praises of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy." 1 Pet 2:5,9,10

"Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you?" 1 Cor 3:16

Would God reject His own Temple and glorify one built in Satan's world?  

"If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and that is what you are."  1 Cor 3:17

"built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone.  In him the whole building, being put together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord.  In him you are also being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit."  Eph 2:20-22

"Unless the Lord builds a house,
its builders labor over it in vain;
unless the Lord watches over a city,
the watchman stays alert in vain."  Ps 127:1

"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.  For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride in one’s possessions—is not from the Father, but is from the world. And the world with its lust is passing away, but the one who does the will of God remains forever."   1 John 2:15-17

3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

2.)  5 Sylvan Way is a property located in Tuxedo Park, NY. It has approximately 2,412 Sq Ft and has 7 rooms. 15 Sylvan Way. is owned by WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY. It was last recorded in 2016, where the sales price was $320,000.

I corrected the address on the other topic concerning this.  It should read 15 Sylvan Way.  My fault ,when initially copying from beenverified.

I went back onto "beenverified" to see if there was any other info I could glean on the addresses.   5 Sylvan Way is no longer available.

"We did not find that address in our records".  

I tried several times to enter it with no success. 

The governing body are the men I don't trust.  

CORRECTION!

The address should read 15 Sylvan Way...still owned by the Watchtower

I still don't trust them.

Are God's anointed ones (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10)  found in "Christendom", or the Watchtower?

"Jehovah’s people enjoy a special environment of peace in the earthly part of his organization.”  Wt 15/7/15

“Now is the time to return to our heavenly Father’s loving arms and to the congregation—the only safe haven in these last days.”   Wt 13/11/15

“Still, as a people, “the chosen ones” and their loyal companions will physically survive the end of apostate Christendom by taking refuge in Jehovah and his mountainlike organization”  Wt 11/1/15

The scriptures pertain to these people, who have devoted their lives to a "mountainlike organization"....

and not to the one and only true God.  For those anointed ones who listen to Rev 18:4-8 - for those with them who listen to Christ's call to "get out" -  it because they understand these words:

“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.     

The mountainlike organization has been put on equal par with God.

               
 And who can proclaim as I do?
Then let him declare it and set it in order for Me,
Since I appointed the ancient people.
And the things that are coming and shall come,
Let them show these to them.
⁸ Do not fear, nor be afraid;
Have I not told you from that time, and declared it?
You are My witnesses.
Is there a God besides Me?
Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one.’” Isa 44:6-8

No other rock - including a mountainlike organization!

Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”  John 4:21-24

God's wayward people are declaring the call of "peace and security", presumptuously obtained through a pseudo mountain/rock in defiance of the true God.

This is idolatry.

When Jesus said that his disciples could be identified by their love of one another, the point he was making, is greater than what has yet been realized. 
Rom.8:19 reads; "19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed." 
Matt.5:48 states that the sons of God, imitate God's perfection in His love, just as Jesus Christ reflected that love through the sacrifice of his life (Matt.5:48; 1John4:8; Eph.5:1; John15:13; 10:11).
We are to love one another, to that same extent (John15:12; 1John3:16).

-- After the scriptures teach us what kind of love the genuine and faithful disciples of Christ will display toward their brothers... they also teach us the kind of hatred that is displayed by the unfaithful chosen, against their brothers. 
If we use these lessons to distinguish the faithful from the unfaithful... we then can have revealed to us... the sons of God (Rom.8:19). 
How then, do the scriptures expose, those who were genuinely chosen by God, but prove unfaithful and unloving? For we are assuredly told, that the love of greater number ("two thirds" in Revelation)... cools off (Matt.24:12; Rev.2:4; 2Cor.11:4; 1Tim.4:1;Rev.16:13-14; Matt.24:24-25).

This is not a cooling of love out in Satan's secular world, but is a turning away from Christ's command to sacrificially love our anointed BROTHERS (1John4:20-21,16; Rom.12:5; Col.1:18; 2:19-20; Eph.2:2; 2Thess.2:1-3; Rev.2:4-5; Luke16:3,1-2)
Matt.25:42-45
Since the scriptures foretell this falling away from Christ and the loss of love in the body of Christ which results; Do the scriptures also reveal the details of who, from among the anointed chosen, loses their love? 
Yes, they do. 

Let us consider the pattern of unloving behavior that Jesus disclosed to us, and who it is, who practices that pattern of disobedience, among the brothers of Christ......

Luke12: "42 The Lord answered, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master of the household, puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? 45 But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and **he then begins to beat his fellow servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk."**

Matt.24: "48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says in his heart, ‘My master is staying away, longer than I expected.’ 49 And he begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of (Luke19:44; Rev.16:15; John10:10; Matt.24:43). 51 He will cut him to pieces (Hosea 6:5; Rev.2:26-27) and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

First of all, we should establish that the master Christ's household are genuine anointed (Eph.2:19-22; 3:17; 1Pet.2:4-5; Heb.3:6)
Next, to recognize that Jesus appoints a steward/shepherd to the household sheep of each era, to be the channel of spiritual food to the master's household (Luke12:42; Rev.11:3; John21:17; 1Thess.5:12-13; Heb.13:17; Rev.22:1-2; Matt.7:20; Rev.1:20;Phil.2:15; Dan.12:3,10; Rev.22:6; Mal.3:1-3)
Such stewards are compared to stars/burning lamplight/messenger-angels... to their own lampstand/congregation/household (Rev.1:20). 

Those appointed stewards, can prove diligent, obedient, refreshing, loving, and faithful, 
or unfaithful, wicked, drunk, disloyal, deceptive, spiritually lethal, and unloving (1John3:10-12) (Rev.1:20; 8:10-11; 9:1-3,10;13:11,15; 11:3,7; John16:2). 
The wicked stewards, battle with the faithful ones (2Cor.11:11-15; 10:3-5; Eph.6:12-13; Rev.16:13-16; 17:14; 2Thess.2:1-3,9-13;1Tim.4:1). 

Each hearer must decide, which "congregation"/lampstand they will belong to, based upon whose spiritual food, and which steward/prophet, they accept.
The wicked steward (as described at Luke12:45 and Matt.24:48-49 above), also are described as "eating and drinking with drunkards" as well as getting drunk themselves (Luke12:45; Rev.17:6; 18:24; Matt.23:31-39; 1John3:12,15-16). 
That alliance with other drunkards, is depicted within many scriptures... (Matt.24:49; Dan.2:33; Rev.13:1,11,15; 17:3) 
...as well as how that alliance works against/"beats", the faithful (Rev.13:15,7; 11:7; John16:2; Mark8:35; Col.2:8; Rev.13:10;Luke21:24).

The events now taking place between the anointed with power (through an alliance with the Gentile Beast)
... and those whose power has been "trampled down" and "brought to nothing"... (Dan.8:9-13; 2Thess.2:4; Dan.11:31-36;Mark13:13-14; Rev.11:2; 13:7,10; Luke21:24), ...did not take God and Jesus by surprise. They prophesied these developments to us, thousands of years in advance. It is only a matter of recognition on our own part, whether or not we perceive and understand, what is now taking place in prophetic detail (Matt.24:15-16; Mark13:13-14), within God's household of priests, 
and the unloving steward, now using a Beast, to "beat" his fellows.

If we are able to discern who it is, that is feeding the household of Christ with poisoned water/rotten fruit that perishes... who has also formed an alliance with a beastly force that has been imbued by that false prophet/wicked steward (Rev.19:20), with an image of being spirit-directed (Rev.13:15; John20:22), enabling it to replace and trample down without mercy or love, that wicked steward's fellow priests and brothers...

...then truly, you have discerned.... 

--who it is that lovingly gives their life for their brothers (genuine disciples of Christ), 
--who it is that murders their brother, 
and also, 
--who the loving sons of God really are, whom God promised would be revealed, at Rom.8:19! (Mal.3:18; Isa.8:18)
 

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@Queen Esther, can you tell me why you are confused?  Perhaps I didn't make something clear - which happens....

41 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I trust NOBODY .... that is where I am coming from.

 

 

Neither does my son.  (sigh)

4 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The Robert A. Heinlein book "Stranger in a Strange Land", from 1961 was probably one of the most read Science Fiction books of that era,

My highly intelligent son (150 IQ and not one of those points came from me) read the same book at age 16.  It caused him to question, and reject, the organization; among many other things.

I get what you’re saying - I’m asking targeted questions, but also assuming what appears obvious to me.  And yes everything we come across we have to verify and then, trust.  The Wt. could be transparent about why they have bought the properties, since 8 million people helped foot the bill, but it is proven that is never the case.  I see this as just another exposed crack in the Watchtower’s white-washed wall. 

The rubber met the road for me a few years back.  I am purely confident in exposing their spiritual opaqueness. 

I do hope you come up with something.

On 1/16/2018 at 12:47 PM, Bible Speaks said:

Jehovah is God's Name! ~

 ^“Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”

¹⁴ And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” ¹⁵ Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’  Exod 3:13-15

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Strong’s Hebrew: 3068. יַהְוֶה (Yhvh) - the one bringing into being, life-giver From the primitive root "havah" - to become

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Strong's Hebrew: 1943. הֹוָה (hovah) -- a ruin, disaster
“Je-hovah” – god of ruin, disaster

This Hebrew word “hovah” is found in Ezek 7:26

“Disaster will come upon disaster,
And rumor will be upon rumor.
Then they will seek a vision from a prophet;
But the law will perish from the priest,
And counsel from the elders.”  NKJV

Some translation say, “Mischief shall come upon mischief”

It is also found in Isa 47:11 –

“Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know”  KJV

We have no record of Jesus saying, “YHVH”, but only “Father”; yet the Watchtower insisted on inserting “Jehovah” wherever they could.  It appears they have made a ruin and a disaster of their version of the Bible. 

“Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious;  for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you:  “God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.  Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. Acts 17:22-25

Paul was surely describing “YHVH”, and not “Jehovah”.  One gives life, one takes it away.  

11 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

That having been said ... it MIGHT be true, and I will continue to investigate.

I guess the best way to find out for sure if the GB live elsewhere, is to ask a “Bethelite”. 

I actually opened an account with “beenverified” to help you with this.  These are my findings of the properties the video listed:

51 Woods Rd is a property located in Tuxedo Park, NY. It has approximately 1,705 Sq Ft and has 6rooms. 51 Woods Rd. is owned by WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY. It was last recorded in 2016, where the sales price was $390,000.

05/15/2014 - Ownership change from Gebert, Warren to Watchtower Bible & Tract Society

5 Sylvan Way is a property located in Tuxedo Park, NY. It has approximately 2,412 Sq Ft and has 7rooms. 15 Sylvan Way. is owned by WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY. It was last recorded in 2016, where the sales price was $320,000.

10/10/2014 - Ownership change from Laurent, Arthur J & Elaine to Watchtower Bible & Tract Society

57 Cross Ridge Rd is a property located in Tuxedo Park, NY. It has approximately 1,200 Sq Ft and has 7rooms. 57 Cross Ridge Rd. is owned by WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY. It was last recorded in 2016, where the sales price was $335,000.

03/06/2013 - Ownership change from Swartz, Michael & Patricia to Watchtower Bible & Tract Society

227 Ironwood Dr is a property located in Tuxedo Park, NY. . 227 Ironwood Dr. is owned by WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY. It was last recorded in 2016, where the sales price was $2,400,000.

06/17/2014 - Ownership change from Sterling Forest Apts Llc to Watchtower Bible & Tract Society

Property #5 Route 72, did not come up since it is vacant land.

Can we rule out that the GB don’t live in these properties outside of Warwick, even if they are registered in the name of the Watchtower?  They were acquired after Watchtower bought property to build “Bethel” in 2009; obviously taking care of first things first.  If these places are not for the GB, then who are they for? Their lawyers?  If they were temporary dwellings while building got underway, why are they still owned by the Watchtower today?

 I did come up with Mark Stephen Lett in Tuxedo Park.  The only address was, 40 Kings Drive, which is an empty spot on the road leading into Warwick Headquarters – 1 Kings Drive.

“You are already full! You are already rich! You have reigned as kings without us—and indeed I could wish you did reign, that we also might reign with you!” 1 Cor 4:8

If you find anything, I would be interested to know. 

On 1/8/2018 at 8:09 PM, DeeDee said:

There are many prophecies in the Bible that have two fulfillments.

Also, here are some ideas to consider regarding birth pains...

1. Jehovah told Eve: "...in pain you will give birth to children..." (Gen 3.16)
2. This was punishment for having disobeyed him.
3. Jesus did NOT disobey him.
4. Maybe the birth of God's Kingdom was without suffering pain because Jesus was obedient.

Well, will the Kingdom come before Christ’s kings who will rule him, are complete in number?

Jesus became king way before 1914.

 Rabbi," Nathanael replied, "You are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel! "   John 1:49

His rule began immediately, when he ascended into heaven.  Ps 110:1,2; 1 Cor 15:24,25  During the time span from then until now, his enemies will be completely conquered, with Armageddon as the final battle.

“Now since the children have flesh and blood in common, Jesus also shared in these, so that through his death he might destroy the one holding the power of death -- that is, the devil – Heb 2:14 (1 Cor 15:24,25)

Also, during this time period, each prospective “king”/anointed one is tested – judged for their faithfulness and obedience, just as Jesus was, before receiving their inheritance. 

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each may be repaid for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.”  2 Cor 5:10

The Watchtower teaches there are two judgment periods, one at Armageddon, and for a literal thousand years afterwards, but the true purpose of Christ’s “thousand year reign” which began when he ascended into heaven, is to bring Satan’s world to an end, just as 1 Cor 15:24,25 states.

The “birth” of God’s Kingdom does not arrive until all of Christ’s ruling kings are sealed in the heavens. The Watchtower has twisted the order of events, saying Christ will rule for a thousand years after Armageddon with his kings, before God’s Kingdom arrives. Or, do they say, that Christ rules for a thousand years during God’s Kingdom?  Which is it, and how do you keep up with it, since this teaching (not from Christ, John 8:31) has changed a number of times?

  Who is it that is primarily judged (as well as all of us) during the “thousand years”? John 12:31  It is these prospective priestly kings. They are judged during each one’s lifetime since the first century.  It is a time of bringing “everything together” in Christ.  Eph 1:9-12.  Each one must individually “throw Satan down”. (Rev 12:10,11;2:26)   Armageddon culminates when all faithful ruling kings together with Christ, bring Satan to his ruin. 

The “labor pains” are symbolic, referring to the promise God’s anointed ones are under – the New Covenant.  Individually, each anointed one experience theses pains (Gal 4:19) before becoming sealed.  The “pains” epitomize the struggle against Satan’s deceptions and how the faithful succeed against him.  Eph 6:12; Heb 12:23  When the right number are sealed, the Kingdom is “born”, because the New Covenant “woman” has given birth.   Rev 12:1,2 (Gal 4:26)

If anything, Satan was “let loose”  in 1914 from the abyss, unrestrained, to create his “delusion” of 2 Thess 2:1-12, called the Watchtower organization.  Rev 13:1,7  He desires as many as possible of Christ’s unsealed priests/kings to be destroyed, to stave off the coming Kingdom of God.  What better way to do so, than to create a counterfeit “truth”, where the majority are now conveniently “gathered”.  Rev 20:3,7-10

I do love chickens, but I am seeing that what km says to JWs is true:

“Realistically, we may find it challenging to explain deep Bible truths, such as how we know that the Kingdom started ruling in 1914.” km 10/14 

After reading how the theoretical conversation is left dangling, I understand how it is far easier to talk about chickens; since realistically, 1 Thess 5:1-3 says,

“But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need that anything be written to you.  For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night.  For when they are saying, “Peace and safety,” then sudden destruction will come on them, like birth pains on a pregnant woman; and they will in no way escape. 

“Jehovah’s people enjoy a special environment of peace in the earthly part of his organization.”  Wt 15/7/15

“Now is the time to return to our heavenly Father’s loving arms and to the congregation—the only safe haven in these last days.”   Wt 13/11/15

“Still, as a people, “the chosen ones” and their loyal companions will physically survive the end of apostate Christendom by taking refuge in Jehovah and his mountainlike organization”  Wt 11/1/15

The situation is ripe for the coming “birth” of God’s Kingdom.

On 1/14/2018 at 9:07 AM, Nana Fofana said:

 

I agree that's the kingdom in Dan. 2:44, but I meant the part ,"In the days of those kings" when God will set up the kingdom.

What kings do you think that will be "in the days of"?  I was wondering if you agree that the ankles and feet of the statue refer to the "Anglo-American  World Power" that seems to have come into existence  around 1914, with features like currency issued as debt, unmoored from a true relationship to anything of tangible value. And according to some :

"-only seventeen firms are allowed to operate as merchant bankers in the City of London, England’s financial district. All of them must be approved by the Bank of England. In fact, most of the Governors of the Bank of England come from the partners of these seventeen firms. Clarke ranks the seventeen in order of their capitalization. Number 2 is the Schroder Bank. Number 6 is Morgan Grenfell, the London branch of the House of Morgan and actually its dominant branch. Lazard Brothers is Number 8. N.M. Rothschild is Number 9. Brown Shipley Company, the London branch of Brown Brothers Harriman, is Number 14. These five merchant banking firms of London actually control the New York banks which own the controlling interest in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

The control over Federal Reserve System decisions is also founded in another unique situation. Each day, representatives of four other London banking firms meet in the offices of N.M. Rothschild Company in London to fix the price of gold for that day. The other four bankers are from Samuel Montagu Company, which ranks Number 5 on the list of seventeen London merchant banking firms, Sharps Pixley, Johnson Matheson, and Mocatta and Goldsmid. Despite the huge tide of paper pyramided currency and notes which are now flooding the world, at some point, every credit extension must return to be based, in however minuscule a fashion, on some deposit of gold in some bank somewhere in the world. Because of this factor, the London merchant bankers, with their power to set the price of gold each day, become the final arbiters of the volume of money and the price of money in those countries which must bow to their power. Not the least of these is the United States. No official of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, or of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, can command the power over the money of the world which is held by these London merchant bankers. Great Britain, while waning in political and military power, today exercises the greatest financial power. It is for this reason that London is the present financial center of the world.

And the U.S. entering WW1 as Britain's ally,  in 1917, and so forth. 

Dan 2:36 “This is the dream, and we will now tell the king its interpretation.37 You, O king—the king of kings to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom,+ the might, the strength, and the glory, 38 and into whose hand he has given men wherever they may dwell, as well as the beasts of the field and the birds of the heavens, and whom he has made ruler over all of them+—you yourself are the head of gold.+

39 “But after you another kingdom will rise,+ inferior to you; then another kingdom, a third one, of copper, that will rule over the whole earth.+

40 “As for the fourth kingdom, it will be strong like iron.+ For just as iron crushes and pulverizes everything else, yes, like iron that shatters, it will crush and shatter all of these.+

41 “And just as you saw the feet and the toes to be partly of clay of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom will be divided, but some of the hardness of iron will be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with soft clay.42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom will be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 Just as you saw iron mixed with soft clay, they will be mixed with the people;* but they will not stick together, one to the other, just as iron does not mix with clay.

44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom+that will never be destroyed.+ And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people.+ It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms,+ and it alone will stand forever,+ 45 just as you saw that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and that it crushed the iron, the copper, the clay, the silver, and the gold.+ The Grand God has made known to the king what will happen in the future.+ The dream is true, and its interpretation is trustworthy.”

Do you think the Anglo- American  power is ruling now and will still be ruling when God's Kingdom "smashes and puts an end

to all these kingdoms"?

Nana, doesn't Satan want us to look into his world for the "signs" of the end?  It's his realm.  Isn't this exactly what Jesus saw the Pharisees doing?  Matt  16:2,3   It's too easy to see what's going on and to apply all those signs to his return.  In Matt 24:15, Jesus said we had to use discernment to understand that pivotal scripture, which applies to Daniel's "fourth beast".

Of Daniel’s image, only four powers are represented.  We know from history that there were many more than four major powers to come and go; but unlike what you may believe, each power of the image has to do with God’s people.  Satan is the greatest foe against them. Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, represents Satan, and a formidable foe against Israel (along with Pharoah who also represents Satan).  This leaves three left.  Daniel tells us that the “fourth beast”/power also comes against the anointed ones in the time of the end, using a far different sort of power than previous ones. 

The “fourth kingdom” of Dan 2:40 is the “fourth beast” of Dan 7:7, with ten horns; and is the same Beast of Rev 13:1.  To verify that this fourth kingdom comes against the anointed ones, Rev 13:7 says,

“And it was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. It was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.”

Dan 7:8, 21 - "While I was considering the horns, suddenly another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. And suddenly in this horn there were eyes like the eyes of a human and a mouth that was speaking arrogantly.   "As I was watching, this horn waged war against the holy ones and was prevailing over them”

Is this happening in the world with the Anglo-American power?

The anointed/holy ones/saints are mingled with other people when this is occurring. It is an alliance of two types of people – that of iron and clay.  God refers to his chosen people as “clay”, and of the earth (Dan 7:23).  2 Cor 4:7; Isa 41:25; Isa 64:8 The “iron” represents the foe, those not anointed, who come against and trample them. Matt 24:15; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1-3  For those anointed who fall in step with the “iron”, they are no longer molded by God, but by those who rule over them. 

The “daily sacrifice” is abolished and another form of “sacrifice” is presented by a false priesthood.    Dan 7:31  They are to “worship” an “image” that has been given authority to abolish the “daily sacrifice”/fruit of their lips.  Heb 13:15;Rev 13:15; Dan 11:31 ; 2 Thess 2:4

Can you see what I’m getting at?  The last power of Daniel’s image has nothing to do with the political entities that the Wt. tries to have you believe.  In fact, they will confuse you, by applying different terms to both Daniel’s fourth beast and Revelation’s Wild Beast of Rev. 13:1  The Wt. uses its own worldly supposition to explain Daniel’s fourth beast of iron and clay, without turning to God’s Word that describes who are the clay, and who are the iron. 

Iron – if “clay” represents God’s anointed ones/spiritual “Israel”, (Rom 2:28,29) “iron” are those spiritual “Gentiles” who rule over them. Lev 20:22,23; Ezek 11:12; Luke 22:25,26:Matt 24:49; Rev 2:9

This is not to say all “Gentiles” have hearts like iron (Rev 9:9; Ezek 36:26; 11:19; Zech 7:12)  Only those who are thirsty for prominence and power and greed; and also those who refuse to “see” the spiritual manifestation of the coming of Christ.  They are the ones who reject a “new heart” from the Father and Christ.  Ezek 36:26

The toes of Daniel’s image are those “kings of the earth”/clay (Dan 2:41,42) that align with Revelation’s Beast and bring the Harlot/false prophet down; then rule for “one hour” with Revelation’s Wild Beast.  Rev 1:6,5;5:9,10; John 18:36; Rev 19:16; 17:12-14; Dan 2:44

Literally, the GB will be ousted, and certain anointed ones (“10 kings”) will coordinate with spiritual “Gentiles” to keep the organization running without the GB – but only for “one hour”, a brief period of time.

All “kings” of the world will be gone when Daniel’s image is destroyed by the fulfilled true Mount Zion; but first and foremost, are those “kings/anointed ones of the earth” (Rev 1:5;5:10;19:16) whose clay has hardened into iron. 

The last anointed ones face Satan’s most deceptive “different” and “fearsome” power, the “fourth beast/Wild Beast”. If they give in to this power over them, they will not be among the small remnant that will survive.  Rev 12:17,15; Dan 11:10; Isa 24:6; Rev 20:9,10; Dan 7:9-11

"This is what he said: 'The fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth, different from all the other kingdoms. It will devour the whole earth, trample it down, and crush it.”  Dan 7:23

I am sure you are aware of the various quotes on the JW website about anointed ones needing to respect the elder body, not “meet” to study the Bible together, that they have no more Holy Spirit than the elder body, and that many scriptures that would apply to the anointed priesthood is applied to….the elder body.  They are guarded by hawks, and if they step out of line, they are disfellowshipped; which leads them, hopefully to salvation in Christ. Rev 3:18; Mal 3:2,3 This also applies to those “Gentiles” that truly cannot stand hypocrisy and lies as well.  John 16:2; Rev 12:11; 13:15

“He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time. 2 Thess 2:1-12

²⁶ ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
²⁷ Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’  Dan 7:25-27

These men claim to be leading God’s flock, following the Word of Christ.  Instead, they have thoroughly corrupted the teachings of Christ with their own precepts.  Is it any different that how the Pharisees ritualistically taught commandments of men and not of God?

He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
⁷ And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

⁸ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men —the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”

⁹ He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.  Mark 7:6-9

…And in the Wt., it is the tradition and doctrine of rank in the organization.  There is no Bible basis for it.  

James 2:1-4 - “My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality. ² For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes, ³ and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, “You sit here in a good place,” and say to the poor man, “You stand there,” or, “Sit here at my footstool,” ⁴ have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?”

Gal 1:10 - "Is it, in fact, men I am now trying to persuade or God? Or am I seeking to please men? If I were yet pleasing men, I would not be Christ’s slave.”

Isa 28:10 - For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.”

1 Cor 4:6 –  ^“Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.”

2 Cor 1:24 – “Not that we have dominion over your faith, but are fellow workers for your joy; for by faith you stand.”

Obviously, the elder body not only "think beyond what is written", but does have dominion over the faith of each JW.  They “mark” an individual as acceptable, or a failure, according to their own precepts.  Why, would anyone want to bring an individual into such captivity? 

How can it be called "the truth", when it is established on doctrine not found in God's Word; but rather, on hypocrisy?

“And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.” Matt 8:20

"Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,
his upper rooms by injustice,
making his own people work for nothing,
not paying them for their labor.
14 He says, ‘I will build myself a great palace
with spacious upper rooms.Â’
So he makes large windows in it,
panels it with cedar
and decorates it in red.

15 “Does it make you a king
to have more and more cedar?
Did not your father have food and drink?
He did what was right and just,
so all went well with him.
16 He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.
17 “But your eyes and your heart
are set only on dishonest gain,
on shedding innocent blood
and on oppression and extortion.” Jer 22:13-17

 

On 1/10/2018 at 6:41 AM, Arauna said:

We have clear instructions on how elders must be chosen - no females.  So if an anointed were on earth now in human form (before obtaining her heavenly calling where there will be no biological females - should they then serve as elders - now? 

On 1/10/2018 at 12:38 PM, Witness said:

Firstly, anointed ones can be sealed while on earth. 2 Cor 1:22; 2 Pet 1:19

Secondly, we have the example of Deborah, a prophetess.  Judges 4:4

In 1 Cor 14:34, Paul says, women cannot teach, “according to the law”. He eventually drew away from teaching according to the Jewish law, which viewed women as unclean. 

The examples we have that Jesus abolished this practice is found in Matt 9:20-22 (Eph 2:15,16)

In Gal 2:21 and 3:1,2 Paul said it is through the hearing of faith, not the works of the law that the Spirit is received. 

Col 2:20-22 – “If you died with Christ to the elements of this world, why do you live as if you still belonged to the world? Why do you submit to regulations; “Don’t handle, don’t taste, don’t touch”?  All these regulations refer to what is destined to perish by being used up; they are human commands and doctrines.”

I can’t see the law which was embellished with Pharisaical doctrine phasing out immediately.  But through Paul’s writings, we see the change.

Rom 16:1,2 -  “I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant of the church in Cenchreae.  So you should welcome her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints and assist her in whatever matter she may require your help. For indeed she has been a benefactor of many—and of me also.”

1 Cor 11:4 - "Every man that prays or prophesies having something on his head shames his head;  but every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered shames her head”  

In 1 Cor 11:2-15, you’ll see that Paul began rationalizing on the need for woman to wear a head covering.  Her hair is a symbol of glory; a symbol of authority.  “For her hair is given to her as a covering. ¹⁶ If anyone wants to argue about this, we have no other custom, nor do the churches of God.” 

A prophet teaches, and it is one of the many gifts within anointed Body.  Rom 12:6-8 

“The next day we left and came to Caesarea, where we entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the Seven, and stayed with him.  This man had four virgin daughters who prophesied.”  Acts 21:8,9

"I wish all of you spoke in other tongues, but even more that you prophesied. The person who prophesies is greater than the person who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets so that the church may be built up."  1 Cor 14:5

Gal 3:28  "There is no (literal) Jew or Greek, slave or free, male and female; since you are all one in Christ Jesus."

This wasn’t written in the future tense, but the present.

 

 It is incredible that scriptures proving that the anointed priesthood are capable of teaching, as well as required to, no matter if they are male or female, is down-voted. Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9

 Chalk one up for the Body of Elders, and reject the Body of Christ.  This is called “trampling” the Temple by spiritual “Gentiles”.  Rev 11:1-3; Matt 24:15

The role of the Levitical priesthood was to minister in the temple. Under Christ, they are the Temple. 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16  They were to teach the people the law of God – today, it is written on their hearts, for a reason; to teach the people God’s laws.  2 Cor 3:3; Heb 8:8-10  They prayed for God’s guidance for all. Heb 13:15; 1 Tim 4:16

INSTEAD, an elder body has assumed these roles and blunders hopelessly in leading the flock. The world sees it through the many lawsuits.   The organization is a delusion of perceived righteousness. 2 Thess 2:11   Heb 8:8-10 will NOT be fulfilled within the Watchtower, but outside its whitewashed walls that are crumbling through topics such as this one addressing their relentless twisting of dates to uphold 1914.   

“He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.”  Dan 7:25

This is the organizational arrangement that is oppressing God’s priesthood, and prophesying “by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.”  -  1914, and all previous failed dates.  2 Thess 2:2

It is the identical “He” of Rev 13:1, the Beast from the “Gentile” “Sea” of mankind. 

“It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.”  Rev 13:7

Who, in the world, is,

1.        Oppressing the anointed ones

2.       Changing God’s set times and laws

?

Only the Watchtower organization.  Rev 18:4-8; Heb 8:11,12

"The Pharisees came and began to question Jesus. To test him, they asked him for a sign from heaven.  He sighed deeply and said, “Why does this generation ask for a sign? Truly I tell you, no sign will be given to it.”   Mark 8:11,12

Thanks for the research.

On 10/28/2017 at 3:59 PM, JW Insider said:

Without a kind of cult following, you can't get away with claiming that you are the one and only faithful and discreet slave, and the one and only mouthpiece of God, and the one and only channel of communication through which the "wise virgins" can prove themselves to be wise and not foolish.

This all sounds very familiar.

 ^“Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? That slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who directly prepare and give out spiritual food during Christ’s presence.” Wt 13/7/15

On 10/28/2017 at 3:59 PM, JW Insider said:

I can't help but see that he very carefully and deliberately put himself on a pedestal.

“We need to obey the faithful and discreet slave to have Jehovah’s approval”  Wt 11/7/15

“For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. ¹⁵ And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey.¹⁶ Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. ¹⁷ And likewise he who had received two gained two more also. ¹⁸ But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord’s money. ¹⁹ After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them.

²⁰ “So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ ²¹ His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’²² He also who had received two talents came and said, ‘Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.’ ²³ His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’  Matt 25:14-23

Christ’s servants include all of the anointed, with all to be found “faithful and discreet”; not just one man or seven – but all.  The “talents” are described in 2 Cor 1:21,22 –

“Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God,  who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.”

How an anointed one “invests” his talents/Holy Spirit in progressing in faith and knowledge, determines whether one is found “faithful and discreet” when Christ returns.  Rom 12:6; Eph 4:20,21,13

4 hours ago, Anna said:

This is all very nice but waaaaay off topic

Can't argue that at all.  

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

I speak to defend the scriptures, and that is what I intend to do.

Thank you so much for the video.  I have felt and believed this; Jesus is the messenger – of life – the bread of life, through his teachings.  John 6:35

“Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”  John 6:57

“Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways.

In these last days, he has spoken to us by his Son. God has appointed him heir of all things and made the universe through him.

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact expression of his nature, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.” Heb 1:1-3

Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and take up residence with him.  J0hn 14:23

5 hours ago, Arauna said:

We have clear instructions on how elders must be chosen - no females.  So if an anointed were on earth now in human form (before obtaining her heavenly calling where there will be no biological females - should they then serve as elders - now? 

Firstly, anointed ones can be sealed while on earth. 2 Cor 1:22; 2 Pet 1:19

Secondly, we have the example of Deborah, a prophetess.  Judges 4:4

In 1 Cor 14:34, Paul says, women cannot teach, “according to the law”. He eventually drew away from teaching according to the Jewish law, which viewed women as unclean. 

The examples we have that Jesus abolished this practice is found in Matt 9:20-22 (Eph 2:15,16)

In Gal 2:21 and 3:1,2 Paul said it is through the hearing of faith, not the works of the law that the Spirit is received. 

Col 2:20-22 – “If you died with Christ to the elements of this world, why do you live as if you still belonged to the world? Why do you submit to regulations; “Don’t handle, don’t taste, don’t touch”?  All these regulations refer to what is destined to perish by being used up; they are human commands and doctrines.”

I can’t see the law which was embellished with Pharisaical doctrine phasing out immediately.  But through Paul’s writings, we see the change.

Rom 16:1,2 -  “I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant of the church in Cenchreae.  So you should welcome her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints and assist her in whatever matter she may require your help. For indeed she has been a benefactor of many—and of me also.”

1 Cor 11:4 - "Every man that prays or prophesies having something on his head shames his head;  but every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered shames her head”  

In 1 Cor 11:2-15, you’ll see that Paul began rationalizing on the need for woman to wear a head covering.  Her hair is a symbol of glory; a symbol of authority.  “For her hair is given to her as a covering. ¹⁶ If anyone wants to argue about this, we have no other custom, nor do the churches of God.” 

A prophet teaches, and it is one of the many gifts within anointed Body.  Rom 12:6-8 

“The next day we left and came to Caesarea, where we entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the Seven, and stayed with him.  This man had four virgin daughters who prophesied.”  Acts 21:8,9

"I wish all of you spoke in other tongues, but even more that you prophesied. The person who prophesies is greater than the person who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets so that the church may be built up."  1 Cor 14:5

Gal 3:28  "There is no (literal) Jew or Greek, slave or free, male and female; since you are all one in Christ Jesus."

This wasn’t written in the future tense, but the present.