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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    No part of the world but demanding the world's money. Typical hypocrisy of the GB and it's Lawyers.
    Most religions 'allow' their congregants to fight on behalf of their country. 
    Most religions 'allow' their congregants to vote for politicians / governments. 
    Most religions 'allow' their congregants to give blood and to accept vaccines.
    In other words, most religions are part of that world. Hence those religions support the country and then the country supports that religion.  That all make sense in a practical way. (Wrong in a spiritual way of course) 
    BUT, the CCJW is supposed to be no part of this world. So it does not 'allow' it's congregants to fight on behalf of the country, it does not allow its congregants to vote and it does not allow its congregants to give blood or accept some vaccines. So therefore it contributes nothing to the safety or upbuilding of the country, so why should such countries support the CCJW ? 
    The CCJW shouldn't want money from the country.  Jesus and the Apostles didn't ask for money from the Jews or the Romans. They worked to support themselves and received help from those they ministered to. 
    Jesus said render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Jesus didn't say take from Caesar or expect Caesar to give.  The GB prove themselves not to be serving God or Christ, more and more each day. 
    But if they do get the money, what will they have to do in return ? 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in REFINEMENT BY FIRE   
    I wish everyone could witness the majesty of a redwood tree, and of a grove of the giants.  
    What is pretty incredible, is that your small country, Croatia, has an abundance of National Parks from what I understand.  Pictures I have seen of their beauty,  are awesome.  🙂
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in REFINEMENT BY FIRE   
    This is amazing. Wonderful place and time you had.
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in REFINEMENT BY FIRE   
    I was having a conversation the other day, about the weather patterns happening across the United States.  Beginning again today in the western U.S., flooding rain has presented a potential danger of more destruction to occur in the burned over areas, resulting from the previous two years of massive fires.   
    The earth can benefit from cleansing fires that rid the unruly undergrowth below a forest’s trees, by only removing the thick flammable brush and weeds, as well as downed diseased trees, making way for new growth, new life.  In various state agencies, the practice of “controlled burns” benefits the soil’s fertility and increases wildlife habitat with new sustainable growth. 
     Those trees that experience a cleansing forest fire, grow stronger and green with life.  I have seen the evidence of this type of fire where I live.  When walking through woods, some of the older trees bear the charcoal marks of a past fire from long ago, that still allowed them to stand and reach great heights.     
    However, fires that burn extremely hot, remove all evidence of life.  On earth’s sloping grades -- its hills and mountains -- the land becomes unstable, allowing rainfall of large proportion to wash earth’s soil away.  It moves as a flooding, murky river; which on the California coast, eventually reaches the sea.   
    In the Bible, God’s people under covenant with Him, have been and are, compared to elements in nature. They are referred to as trees, the earth, and mountains/hills.    At the time of the end, a messenger is sent to the anointed remnant– these “living stones”/"trees" of God’s Temple sanctuary. Matt 11:10,14; Luke 1:17; Rev 11:3,4; 1 Pet 2:5,9   
     They are “measured” according to God’s Word, fulfilled in the teachings of Christ. Ezek 40:3,20; Amos 7:7,8; Isa 28:17; Rev 11:1,2; 21:15   
    God said, “IS NOT MY WORD LIKE FIRE?”—this is the Lord’s declaration—“and like a hammer that pulverizes rock?”  Jer 23:29 
    “See, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. Then the Lord you seek will suddenly come to His TEMPLE, the Messenger of the covenant you desire—see, He is coming,” says the Lord of Hosts. 2 But who can endure the day of His coming? And who will be able to STAND when He appears? For He will be like a refiner’s fire and like cleansing lye.”  Mal 3:2
    Can you picture this raging “fire” blowing through the forest of “trees”, its intense flames licking at their roots? 
    "And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner." (Rev 11:5) 
    If God’s people submit to the cleansing fire of His Word, allowing their hearts/“ground”/”earth” to be purified of all lies – of all thorns, weeds and thistles -  they will stand firmly rooted in truth. Luke 8:8; John 17:17; Prov 2:1; 2 Thess 2:15; Rom 14:4; Heb 12:6-11  
    They will bear the mark of God, from the necessary refinement needed; to thrive as a faithful priest with roots that grow deep in stable “ground”.    Zech 13:9; Isa 48:10; Col 1:23; Luke 6:45; Deut 11:18; Heb 8:10 
    They become forever part of the immovable mountain of God, Holy Zion, as priests who will administer to Him, and to His Son, as the Bride. As the fulfilled covenant, they will be trees of life, bringing “healing to the nations”, to all of God’s children in the Kingdom. Isa 2:1-3; Ezek 47:12; Rev 22:1,2,17; Mal 2:7 
    “He will be like a refiner and purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver. Then they will present offerings to the Lord in righteousness.”  Mal 3:3
     Yet, many do not stand up and take notice of the fire raging around them.  They are weak, burdened down by the “thorns and weeds” that have grown over them, infiltrating their heart. Prov 4:19; 1 Cor 3:18; Rev 16:15 They face imminent “fiery” destruction.  2 Pet 3:7,10-13  
    "Therefore this is what the LORD God Almighty says: "Because the people have spoken these words, I will make my words in your mouth a fire and these people the wood it consumes."   Jer 5:14
    What are they doing wrong?   
    Jesus said, “If you HOLD TO MY TEACHING, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”    John 8:31,32 
    The anointed in the WT have filled their hearts with the words and decrees of men, who have deceived them into accepting their demon-inspired lies. Luke 21:8; Rev 16:13,14   The entire “land” of God has become filled with iniquity, from “Wormwood’s” poisoned waters. (1 Cor 3:9)  Yet, they have become convinced that God will deliver them from all harm.  Jer 6:14  The fiery mark they bear, is that of Revelation’s Beast and its guiding head, the false prophet of Rev. 13:1,2,11-13,16,17. 
    Truth in Christ has set those who submit to God’s refining fire, free of false doctrine, failed and replaced teachings; which are thorns and thistles that choke out the Word of God. Matt 13:7,22   Satan has made sure that escaping this tangled captive environment will be difficult.  “Locust/scorpions” deliver the lies that are planted and watered at the root of trees soon to lose foothold on the pure teachings of truth in Christ. Jer 7:4,8; Ezek 44:6-9; Rev 9:7; Nahum 3:17; Eph 4:25,27; Rev 9:1-3
    Life-giving water can travel throughout an entire tree, beginning at the root.  “Wormwood’s” teachings reach the heart of the anointed, and can slowly choke the “life” from each one.  Jer 17:13; John 4:10; 7:37,38  
    They are allowing false prophets and their “army” to influence and mold their hearts instead of the Father (Phil 1:6; 2:13); leading to weakness and the inability to stand in the day of God’s “fiery” judgment.  Eph 2:10,19-22; Jude 1:15,12,24  
    All of the anointed remnant are exposed to this to this time of testing. 1 Cor 3:13; Mark 9:49,50   All JWs residing with them, are also under its effect.  Matt 24:4,5,24,25,21  
    “I will come to you in judgment, and I will be ready to witness against sorcerers and adulterers; against those who swear falsely; against those who oppress the widow and the fatherless, and cheat the wage earner; and against those who deny justice to the foreigner. They do not fear Me,” says the Lord of Hosts. 
    “Since the days of your fathers, you have turned from My statutes; you have not kept them. Return to Me, and I will return to you,” says the Lord of Hosts.  Mal 3:3-5,7 
    Can you understand, JWs, that it is God’s statutes that have been broken the Watchtower.  Would God make up new statutes other than those He gave us in Christ?  Is another Bible being written by your leaders? 
    “Now, Israel, listen to the statutes and ordinances I am teaching you to follow, so that you may live, enter, and take possession of the land YHVH, the God of your fathers, is giving you. 2 You must not add anything to what I command you or take anything away from it, so that you may keep the commands of the Lord your God I am giving you.”  Deut 4:1,2
     There is, among so many, statutes that God has outlined for His priesthood, that the Watchtower has clearly broken.   
    No one is to represent God’s priesthood, but, Wt’s leaders have allowed men not anointed to be your counterfeit priests, which is the elder body. 2 Chron 13:9   
     No one is to “enter” God’s Temple; yet, the elder body has authority to “set itself up” and rules over His priesthood. Ezek 44:6-9; Num 18:7; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:5-7  
     We are not to give our allegiance to anything made by men, but JWs dedicate themselves to an earthly organization. Rom 1:25   It rivals the true God in power and authority over YOU.  Spiritual “Israel” and those with them, have become idolaters.  Rev 13:8,4 
      No one is to replace Jesus Christ as the Head of the anointed Body; yet, the GB expects obedience of the anointed priests and YOU, to obey THEM.  Matt 24:24, 48-51; 1 Cor 7:23; Rom 6:16
    There are only two choices for the Called and Chosen Anointed:
    Remain in union with Christ, be refined, and bear fruit for salvation  (John 15:5; Prov 18:20; Heb 13:15; 1 Tim 4:16)
    Or, if they leave Christ (John 15:4,5; Col 2:19), they will eventually have their self-sourced work/doctrines, (OR the rotten fruit of the false prophets whom they follow -Ezek 14:10; Rev 2:23), burned up by the spirit of the truth  (John 5:31; 8:54; 7:18; 15:4,6; 16:13,14)   (Zech 9:4; Rev 14:10).    
    Once the lies we may believe and teach, are exposed and consumed by Truth  (Luke 8:17; John 16:8,13-15; Rev 1:1; 22:6; 1 Cor 3:13)
    we can either humbly be refined by that fire  (Isa 48:10; Zech 13:9; Mal 3:1-3; Jer 9:7; Mark 9:49; 1 Cor 3:13,15; 1 Pet 1:7; Rev 15:2; John 15:3; Mat 7:24) 
    OR, suffer eventual destruction   (Matt 3:12; 13:40; 25:41; 7:26; Luke 3:9; 2 Thess 1:8; Rev 20:9,10,15; 21:8) .  Pearl Doxsey, "Fire From Heaven"
    I remember thinking I had found the truth that would set me free when joining the Wt. organization.  What I “saw” with my eyes and heard with my ears, seemed to be the assured promise of life, until one wicked lie after another began encroaching on my heart.  Failed teachings, and men expecting your obedience to them, and to the idol/organization they promote, is captivity.  The combination cannot sustain life. Col 2:8; Gal 1:10; 2 Tim 2:26 
    What about you, JWs? Do you realize your foothold in Christ’s pure teachings is eroding away at a very rapid pace?  Ps 69:1,2; Jer 2:13     
    There is a mountain of “earth” that is rushing to the sea, being brought down by a flood of lies. Unable to stand when God’s fire culminates, “earth” and its “vegetation”, will be washed down as mud and debris are washed from the side of burned-out slope; soon to be consumed by the sea.  Ezek 6:1-3; Rev 8:7; Matt 24:39   
    “The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain ABLAZE WITH FIRE was hurled into the sea. So a third of the sea became blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.”  Rev 8:8,9
    Because of the severe danger in California during this series of rainstorms, concerted efforts are in place to alert people to leave the area of potential landslides due to torrential rains. They are taking this destructive threat very seriously.  Please, listen to the fiery warning that God’s Word carries to all in the Watchtower organization.  Think carefully on what “words” you fill your heart with.  Are they strictly from the Bible, or are they thorns and thistles delivered by poisoned water, that locust/scorpions to make sure to grow thick within your own heart?  Jer 5:31
    Once the counterfeit mountain is “pulverized” by the flaming Word of God,  Mount Zions rises under nourishing rains blessed with life.  Its “trees”/”earth” will be firmly established for eternity.  
     Test Me in this way,” says the Lord of Hosts. “See if I will not open the floodgates of heaven and pour out a blessing for you without measure. 11 I will rebuke the devourer( meaning:  “perhaps locusts”)  for you, so that it will not ruin the produce of your land and your vine in your field will not fail to produce fruit,” says the Lord of Hosts. 12 “Then all the nations will consider you fortunate, for you will be a delightful land,” says the Lord of Hosts.
      Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other. The Lord listened and took note, and a scroll of remembrance was written in his presence about those who fear the Lord and honor His name. 17 “They’ll be mine,” says the Lord of the Heavenly Armies, “in the day when I prepare my treasured possession. I’ll spare them, just as a man spares his own son who serves him. 18 When you return, you will see the difference between the righteous and the wicked, and between the one who serves God and the one who does not.”  Mal 3:16-18
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in REFINEMENT BY FIRE   
    The fires in the state of California are raging once again. There has been loss of lives and sweeping destruction of homes, farms and ranches. People’s livelihoods once again, have been upended. Also making headlines, is California’s oldest established state park of redwood trees, seriously affected by the fires. I lived several years in the redwoods, miles up the coast from this park. My husband worked in maintaining their habitat, while making it accessible for all to enjoy. My children played under the protective canopy of these giants ruling the skies, and walked their nourishing streams that meandered and flowed gently among their roots.

    When I saw this news clip about the park, I thought of God’s “fine trees”, who must avail themselves to “refinement by fire”. You will see that redwood trees can benefit from its effects of not only releasing seeds from their cones, but to stimulate leaf growth when the rains return in the winter.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBTdxcAYTEs&feature=youtu.be

    From Pearl’s article, “Leaves”:
    “The Bible does compare the righteous, to leaves. But the Bible also says that leaves are eaten and are used for medicine, so the meaning is more complex than simply being persons.
    The trees are the teachers. The leaves are a part of the tree (a part of the teacher).
    Leaves absorb light from the sun. What part of a teacher, absorbs the truths of Jesus?
    It is the mind.
    Just like a leaf turns light into food/sugar for the tree to be able to make fruit;
    the MIND of a teacher (leaves) enables the teacher to convert the truths of Jesus (light), into teachings (fruit)... when the spirit from Christ in them (chlorophyll) helps them (Luke 24:45).
    Prov.11:28 says that "the righteous will flourish like a green leaf". This is not saying that the righteous are a green leaf. It is telling us that the MIND of the righteous, will flourish in their growth of understanding, which results in fine fruit" (Phil 1:9-11) (Ps 1:2,3; Isa 26:3; Ezek 47:12; Prov 12:18).

    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/.../leaves.html
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in God's Kingdom but who's in it ?   
    Here is a quote from Wikipedia that might help: 
    “Sometimes the four letters are called the Tetragrammaton, which is Greek for four letters
    These four letters are usually JHWH in German, French and Dutch, and either YHWH, YHVH, JHWH or JHVH in English. In some English language Bibles, it is written in all capital letters as "LORD," as in Jewish tradition. Others, such as the Jerusalem Bible use "Yahweh". The Holman Christian Study Bible uses "Yahweh" when there is a reference to his name; God's Word Translation uses all of the Hebrew transliterations for the name of God."
    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/YHWH
    I have found this a simple site to use:
    https://www.blueletterbible.org/ 
    If you click on the specific scripture, it breaks down the Hebrew or the Greek, by giving you the option to click on a specific word. 
    Yes, the apostles, and I know all the faithful anointed since then, would take on a balanced view of God and Christ.  What the man in the video pointed out, was the imbalance shown by the GB in how they interpreted scripture.  They have come to have an “overbalanced importance” on “Jehovah”, causing Jesus Christ to be downplayed.
     
    I understand what you are saying.  I am also getting older, and finding it difficult to keep my thoughts in order.  What you are able to surmise about the situation of the anointed in the organization, is prophesy being fulfilled.  Daniel and Revelation speak of a Beast that “makes war” with the “saints”. (Rev 13:7)  Daniel says it is…
     “the beast that crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left.”  Dan 7:19  See: Luke 21:24; Rev 11:2
     It is out to destroy God’s spiritual people.   This war is not through the use of literal weapons as the WT will have us believe, and the primary target is not JWs, yet they are affected also. (Rev 9:3,4)  But, as Rev. points out, it is by the use of deceit – by lies, spoken by another symbolic “Beast”/false prophet that directs the “Gentile” Beast which blasphemes God’s sanctuary.  (Rev 13:6,11,12,14)
    Yes, I am very vocal about this as an anointed one.  As “Zion” rises with faithful anointed coming together as the “two witnesses” in Rev 11:3, the organization will become “level ground”. (Zion - Isa chapter 2)   These chosen witnesses (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9) address the very point you make, that the Temple of God, has been compromised – desolated - by the presence of “Gentiles”/elders,  “sitting”/ruling over it, over “Israel”, the “living stones”; which means truth in Christ has also been compromised. (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    The Temple of God is built on Truth, with the apostles and Christ Jesus as its foundation.  (John 14:6; Eph 2:20-22; 1 Tim 3:15) Those who speak truth outside the organization, and those who speak lies under the false prophet in the organization and where the majority of anointed reside, are at spiritual “war” with one another.  We all must make our decision, we must choose our side. You are already doing that.   (Joel 3:14)   The majority of the anointed will remain in the organization.  Always during these times when God’s people have transgressed His covenant and withdraws his protection, the repentant remnant that is saved, is small.  (Amos 7:5; Matt 7:13,14; John 10:7-10)
    I know you look for “true” anointed ones to build an organization blessed by God.  There will be no other earthly organization run as the WT is, in the world of Satan’s commerce and lies. All that the WT avails itself to, in order to make its organization thrive, are treasures of this world.   Jesus never accumulated goods, real estate, investments, and never admonished his followers to. (Matt 6:19,20) Whatever money the disciples carried, was given to the poor. (John 12:4-6)   The organization has transformed their material possessions into acceptable possessions belonging to Christ.  This is a lie that has led to idolatry.  They admonish that these possessions are what God expects us to support with our money, contrary to what Jesus Christ taught us about accumulating riches.  (Matt 19:21)
    God’s true organization is spiritual; as you say, the Body of Christ, the Temple of God, is comprised of the anointed. (John 2:19-21) That is His “organization” and we will see its fruition with the last “stones” of the Temple sealed in placed, at Armageddon’s  finished.
    These are “small beginnings” or “small things”,  where many have already found the “true” anointed ones in Christ, who speak truth from God’s Word.
     
    Then the angel who talked with me returned and woke me up, like someone awakened from sleep. 2 He asked me, ‘What do you see?’
    I answered, ‘I see a solid gold lampstand with a bowl at the top and seven lamps on it, with seven channels to the lamps. 3 Also there are two olive trees by it, one on the right of the bowl and the other on its left.’
    4 I asked the angel who talked with me, ‘What are these, my lord?’
    5 He answered, ‘Do you not know what these are?’
    ‘No, my lord,’ I replied.
    6 So he said to me, ‘This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: “Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,” says the Lord Almighty.
    7 ‘What are you, mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of “God bless it! God bless it!”’
    8 Then the word of the Lord came to me: 9 ‘The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this temple; his hands will also complete it. Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me to you.
    10 ‘Who dares despise the day of small things, since the seven eyes of the Lord that range throughout the earth will rejoice when they see the chosen capstone in the hand of Zerubbabel?’
    11 Then I asked the angel, ‘What are these two olive trees on the right and the left of the lampstand?’
    12 Again I asked him, ‘What are these two olive branches beside the two gold pipes that pour out golden oil?’
    13 He replied, ‘Do you not know what these are?’
    ‘No, my lord,’ I said.
    14 So he said, ‘These are the two who are anointed to serve the Lord of all the earth.’
     
    “I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, ‘Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshippers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.’ 4 They are ‘the two olive trees’ and the two lampstands, and ‘they stand before the Lord of the earth.’”  Rev 11:1-4
     
     
     The Great Deception - https://pearl-anillustration.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in God's Kingdom but who's in it ?   
    Here is a quote from Wikipedia that might help: 
    “Sometimes the four letters are called the Tetragrammaton, which is Greek for four letters
    These four letters are usually JHWH in German, French and Dutch, and either YHWH, YHVH, JHWH or JHVH in English. In some English language Bibles, it is written in all capital letters as "LORD," as in Jewish tradition. Others, such as the Jerusalem Bible use "Yahweh". The Holman Christian Study Bible uses "Yahweh" when there is a reference to his name; God's Word Translation uses all of the Hebrew transliterations for the name of God."
    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/YHWH
    I have found this a simple site to use:
    https://www.blueletterbible.org/ 
    If you click on the specific scripture, it breaks down the Hebrew or the Greek, by giving you the option to click on a specific word. 
    Yes, the apostles, and I know all the faithful anointed since then, would take on a balanced view of God and Christ.  What the man in the video pointed out, was the imbalance shown by the GB in how they interpreted scripture.  They have come to have an “overbalanced importance” on “Jehovah”, causing Jesus Christ to be downplayed.
     
    I understand what you are saying.  I am also getting older, and finding it difficult to keep my thoughts in order.  What you are able to surmise about the situation of the anointed in the organization, is prophesy being fulfilled.  Daniel and Revelation speak of a Beast that “makes war” with the “saints”. (Rev 13:7)  Daniel says it is…
     “the beast that crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left.”  Dan 7:19  See: Luke 21:24; Rev 11:2
     It is out to destroy God’s spiritual people.   This war is not through the use of literal weapons as the WT will have us believe, and the primary target is not JWs, yet they are affected also. (Rev 9:3,4)  But, as Rev. points out, it is by the use of deceit – by lies, spoken by another symbolic “Beast”/false prophet that directs the “Gentile” Beast which blasphemes God’s sanctuary.  (Rev 13:6,11,12,14)
    Yes, I am very vocal about this as an anointed one.  As “Zion” rises with faithful anointed coming together as the “two witnesses” in Rev 11:3, the organization will become “level ground”. (Zion - Isa chapter 2)   These chosen witnesses (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9) address the very point you make, that the Temple of God, has been compromised – desolated - by the presence of “Gentiles”/elders,  “sitting”/ruling over it, over “Israel”, the “living stones”; which means truth in Christ has also been compromised. (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    The Temple of God is built on Truth, with the apostles and Christ Jesus as its foundation.  (John 14:6; Eph 2:20-22; 1 Tim 3:15) Those who speak truth outside the organization, and those who speak lies under the false prophet in the organization and where the majority of anointed reside, are at spiritual “war” with one another.  We all must make our decision, we must choose our side. You are already doing that.   (Joel 3:14)   The majority of the anointed will remain in the organization.  Always during these times when God’s people have transgressed His covenant and withdraws his protection, the repentant remnant that is saved, is small.  (Amos 7:5; Matt 7:13,14; John 10:7-10)
    I know you look for “true” anointed ones to build an organization blessed by God.  There will be no other earthly organization run as the WT is, in the world of Satan’s commerce and lies. All that the WT avails itself to, in order to make its organization thrive, are treasures of this world.   Jesus never accumulated goods, real estate, investments, and never admonished his followers to. (Matt 6:19,20) Whatever money the disciples carried, was given to the poor. (John 12:4-6)   The organization has transformed their material possessions into acceptable possessions belonging to Christ.  This is a lie that has led to idolatry.  They admonish that these possessions are what God expects us to support with our money, contrary to what Jesus Christ taught us about accumulating riches.  (Matt 19:21)
    God’s true organization is spiritual; as you say, the Body of Christ, the Temple of God, is comprised of the anointed. (John 2:19-21) That is His “organization” and we will see its fruition with the last “stones” of the Temple sealed in placed, at Armageddon’s  finished.
    These are “small beginnings” or “small things”,  where many have already found the “true” anointed ones in Christ, who speak truth from God’s Word.
     
    Then the angel who talked with me returned and woke me up, like someone awakened from sleep. 2 He asked me, ‘What do you see?’
    I answered, ‘I see a solid gold lampstand with a bowl at the top and seven lamps on it, with seven channels to the lamps. 3 Also there are two olive trees by it, one on the right of the bowl and the other on its left.’
    4 I asked the angel who talked with me, ‘What are these, my lord?’
    5 He answered, ‘Do you not know what these are?’
    ‘No, my lord,’ I replied.
    6 So he said to me, ‘This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: “Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,” says the Lord Almighty.
    7 ‘What are you, mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of “God bless it! God bless it!”’
    8 Then the word of the Lord came to me: 9 ‘The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this temple; his hands will also complete it. Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me to you.
    10 ‘Who dares despise the day of small things, since the seven eyes of the Lord that range throughout the earth will rejoice when they see the chosen capstone in the hand of Zerubbabel?’
    11 Then I asked the angel, ‘What are these two olive trees on the right and the left of the lampstand?’
    12 Again I asked him, ‘What are these two olive branches beside the two gold pipes that pour out golden oil?’
    13 He replied, ‘Do you not know what these are?’
    ‘No, my lord,’ I said.
    14 So he said, ‘These are the two who are anointed to serve the Lord of all the earth.’
     
    “I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, ‘Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshippers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.’ 4 They are ‘the two olive trees’ and the two lampstands, and ‘they stand before the Lord of the earth.’”  Rev 11:1-4
     
     
     The Great Deception - https://pearl-anillustration.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    Dear Thinking, in this few days you participated with 10 posts/comments about same event. And now you concluded how you are in some sort of regret for opening "that link" and involved yourself in "this fiasco". Why do you think how speaking about such issue is your or our "fiasco"? Do you feel need for repentance because you involved yourself into this? Do you need to confess your "sin" about this to your elders in congregation? And to tell them how you are in virtual "inappropriate association with weak brothers and former members" ?
    The exchange of experiences and opinions that take place here can be helpful in acquiring the skill of discerning truth, falsehood, and that between this two.
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in Colossians 3 v 13 Christ or God ?   
    I see the correlation to Matt 6:14.  Although I'm not sure  what believing in the trinity, or not, has to do with how the scripture is rendered.  These scriptures can be considered: 
    “Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you.”
    3 And at once some of the scribes said within themselves, “This Man blasphemes!”
    4 But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, “Why do you think evil in your hearts? 5 For which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise and walk’? 6 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—then He said to the paralytic, “Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” 7 And he arose and departed to his house.
    8 Now when the multitudes saw it, they marveled and glorified God, who had given such power to men.”  Matt 9:2-8
    So He got into a boat, crossed over, and came to His own city.  Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you.”   Matt 9:1,2
    If Jesus has been given the authority to judge, (John 5:22) and is the perfect image of God, (Col 1:15) he also has the authority to forgive.  Which means, the verse in Col 3:13 could correctly be rendered as Jesus Christ, the forgiver of sins; even if we do not believe in the trinity.  
    “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.”  Matt 28:18
    “For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.”  John 5:21-23
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in God's Kingdom but who's in it ?   
    Those in what the WT calls, the “world”, recognize the repression of Jesus Christ in the organization; although they may not know exactly why. 
    This man has found the quote that I had once read, and lost the source of.  It shows a total change from concentration on Jesus Christ and his sacrifice, to the “name” of God over the years in the organization.  Was this the goal of the apostles?  (take note @Arauna, what your organization has to say about Christ’s sacrifice quoted in the video)
    After giving short quips of Gerrit Losch’s comments about who are the counterfeit Christians, the maker of the video asks;  “Am I the one who is trying to paint a picture that Jehovah’s Witnesses are slighting Jesus?  Or, is it a deliberate mission by Jehovah’s Witnesses?
     
    “God’s Kingdom Rules”, ch4, pg 42, par 9:
    “First, Jehovah’s servants came to have the proper view of the importance of God’s name. Faithful early Bible Students viewed the ransom arrangement as the Bible’s main teaching. That explains why the Watch Tower often focused on Jesus. For example, in its first year of publication, the magazine mentioned the name Jesus ten times more than the name Jehovah. Regarding the Bible Students’ early years, The Watchtower of March 15, 1976, noted that they gave “overbalanced importance” to Jesus. In time, though, Jehovah helped them to discern the prominence that the Bible gives to God’s personal name. How did that affect the Bible Students? Especially from 1919 onward, says the same Watchtower article, “they began showing more appreciation for Messiah’s heavenly Father, Jehovah.”
    In fact, during the decade following 1919, The Watch Tower mentioned God’s name over 6,500 times!”
     
    What an accomplishment!  Really?  The organization made sure, “Jehovah” was inserted in the New Testament; and at times, replacing where the reference to Jesus as “Lord” should have remained.  I repeat what I’ve said before, it is as if this hybrid name, “Jehovah” has become some sort of talisman for JWs. 
    Was the apostle Paul, and all the apostles, guilty of giving an “overbalanced importance” to Jesus, by speaking about him as much as they did?  We are to support Christ’s truth, his teachings as the Word and “law” of God. (John 8:31; John 1:1)  This is what the apostles did, without hesitation, without fear!  Jesus said, we cannot come to know the Father without knowing the Son, first!
    But, the entire mission behind the organization is to bypass the concentration on Christ and his teachings, which is documented above;  even though JWs may stress they follow his teachings. (Matt 7:21-23) 
    "For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!"  2 Cor 11:4
    This evil mission causes one to never begin to “know” Jesus Christ, and diverting that person from knowing the Father.  This is why people who leave the WT are found speaking about Christ!  They finally have the freedom to search him out.  
    How is that done? How is the truth suppressed in the organization?  Number one, by installing a “wicked slave” who beats down Christ’s bodily members who are to speak truth from their hearts.  (Matt 24:48-51; 1 John 2:27)
    Two - by telling them not to “bond” as a group; which means not to recognize their immediate Head as Jesus Christ, instead of 8 men who rule over them. Their union would become a spiritual threat to Satan’s “synagogue”.  (Rev 2:9-11) These men and their priesthood have so much power, that God's "Israel" refuse to speak, not only for God, but also for Jesus Christ and truth.
    Three – replace them with a counterfeit priesthood, and trample down God’s Temple in Christ.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4)
    “So they were saying to him, “Where is your father?” Jesus replied, “You know neither me nor my Father! If you had known me, you would have known my Father also.”  John 8:19
     
    Can any JW say, they know Jesus Christ?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    What’s more important to you -
    God’s Temple arrangement of His priesthood – 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22
    Or, men’s organizational arrangement which “represents” God’s priesthood?
    What do you think is more important to God?
    "Have you not driven out the priests of the LORD, the sons of Aaron and the Levites, and made for yourselves priests like the peoples of [other] lands? Whoever comes to consecrate himself with a young bull and seven rams, even he may become a priest of [what are] no gods.”  2 Chron 13:9
    Which arrangement is “holy”?
    “If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.” 1 Cor 3:17
    Since the elders “represent”, judge, spiritually “kill” anointed who speak up for Christ’s Body which is God’s Temple and is the house of His Spirit…
    … who/what do you think this scripture is speaking about:
    “who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.” 2 Thess 2:4
    You see, it does matter to make the distinction between the "holy and the common", between God's arrangement of the Temple in Christ, and man's flawed, corrupt arrangement of an earthly organization. (Ezek 44:23)  
    It matters, because in the last days, the "man of lawlessness" created by Satan, is so powerful, so deceitful, that JWs prefer not to know the truth about it.  They prefer their organized "priesthood" over God's anointed priesthood of His Temple.  I so wish you and all JWs, thirsted to know the truth. 
    2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 13:4,18
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in God's Kingdom but who's in it ?   
    Isn’t it true that we believe Satan is the reigning “king” of darkness?  The “ruler” of this world? (John 12:31) From the first century, Jesus has been a reigning king of light. 
    A king receives authority to rule.
    “And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”  Matt 28:18
    A king conquers.
    “I have said these things to you so that in me you may have peace. In the world you have affliction, but have courage! I have conquered the world.”  John 16:33
    Christ’s light has overpowered the darkness of Satan. 
    “The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it.”  John 1:5
    Does he need any of us to rule with him? No, but the purpose of the 144,000 Bride of Christ is to bring to fulfillment to the New Covenant promise of life; firstly, to those of his Bride, and then to all of God’s children.  Jesus, “the righteous one” (1 John 2:1; Heb 1:8,9),  shares with his anointed faithful, kings/priests (whether male or female), what he inherited as the “firstborn” seed of Abraham – the earth! (Gen 22:17; Gal 3:26-29) Adam lost his inheritance, the “second Adam” receives it.  (Hos 6:7; Ps 2:7,8)   
    The “righteous shall inherit the land”.  (Ps 37:29)  Are the faithful 144,000 not found “righteous” as Jesus? (Rev 19:8)  The full spectrum of the Kingdom where Christ and the anointed “rule”,  is both “heavenly” and “earthly”.  (2 Pet 3:13)  Each sealed anointed one is “in Christ”, becoming one with him, just as he is one with God.  At the end of their physical life, they rule immediately with Christ in heaven. They are not waiting for a resurrection.  And, these “righteous” ones in Christ, are “kings” sealed in “heaven”, while still on the earth.  Heb 12:10; Rev 5:9,10  Being in heaven or being “heavenly”, is a spiritual state, it is not a place, as the earth is an established place. 
     Can we not picture the apostles as priests and kings reigning with Christ, even before they lost their physical life? They were sealed in the “heavens” before they died.  (2 Cor 1:22) The priests are “messengers” (Mal 2:7); in Christ, they are spirit messengers.  The Greek meaning for “angel” is “messenger”.  Angels are of heaven, they are spirit (Eph 2:6; Heb 12:22,23; Rom 8:9)  The anointed are “angel”/messengers. 
    Col 1:12-14 – “giving thanks to the Father, who has enabled you to share in the saints' inheritance in the light. 13 He has rescued us from the domain of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son he loves. 14 In him we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” 
    “Death is swallowed up in victory.
    55 Where, O death, is your victory?
    Where, O death, is your sting?  1 Cor 15:55
    John 6:63 - “The Spirit is the one who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.”
    Does God’s Spirit ever – die - or remain unresponsive in the abyss?  We already know that Jesus was alive in spirit while in the abyss, preaching to demons. (1 Pet 3:18-20)
    To reiterate, the anointed are “born again” (1 Pet 1:23), they are given spirit life, the spirit of God; and if they are found faithful – if they have not lost God’s spirit, which can happen (1 Cor 10:12; 2 Pet 3:17)  -  they will pass from physical death to their spirit life with Christ. They are the “new creation”, both flesh and spirit. Yet even so, they are alive in spirit while remaining in their physical body. 
    There are many "144,000" kings reigning alongside of Christ in “heaven” now, who is the Head of the members of his “Body”. (Rev 14:1)  Each one of these also had to conquer darkness.  Would Jesus leave his members to wait in the grave, if they had conquered darkness and evil just as he had? 
    “I have written to you, children, because you have known the Father. I have written to you, fathers, because you have known the One who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God resides in you, and you have conquered the evil one.” 1 John 2:14
     “You are from God, little children, and have conquered them, (“antichrist”)  because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world and the world listens to them.” 1 John 4:4
     
    Psalm 110:1  “A declaration of YHVH to my lord,
    “Sit at my right hand
    until I make your enemies your footstool.”
    Does this mean that Jesus was inactive as he sat at God’s right hand, waiting for God to put enemies at his feet?  Does this mean that it was in 1914 that all of Christ’s enemies finally became his “footstool”?  If so, who is he battling against in Armageddon?
    “For it is necessary for him to reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.“  1 Cor 15:25
    Christ and the Father are one. Christ said whatever he does, comes from the Father. Thus, they are both putting his enemies under his feet.
    So Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, the Son can do nothing from himself except what he sees the Father doing. For whatever that one does, these things also the Son does likewise.”  John 5:19

    Psalm 110:2 - YHVH will send out your mighty scepter from Zion;
    rule in the midst of your enemies.
    He has been ruling since the first century, over his priests/kings.  His enemies are those anointed “kings” who align themselves with Satan. (1 Tim 6:15; Rev 1:5)   They speak lies about his reign. They speak lies about the reign of the anointed, which we see happening in the organization.  They are the accusers, just as Satan accused Jesus when he was on earth. (Rev 12:10)  The accusers were once “among” his faithful ones.   (1 John 2:19; Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; 13:11,12)
    Ps 110:3 - Your people will be free will offerings (“volunteers”)  in the day of your power.
    Who are his people?  Wouldn’t they be God’s anointed ones – “Israel”?  Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9

    “In holy splendor, from the womb of the dawn,
    you will have the dew of your youth.”
     
     Watchtower’s teaching of 1914 is evidence of suppression against Christ’s rule already established in the heavens in the first century - what it is for, and of the rule of his priests and kings with him; whether on the earth once sealed as faithful, or after their physical life has ended, and are raised to “heaven”.  Who would promote the lie that he did not reign until 1914?  It would be the ruler, “king” of this world, who is furious at losing his kingdom. (Rev 12:7-9)  It is already evident that the teaching of 1914 hangs on by a thread of lies to keep it alive. Even past leaders have questioned its authenticity.  Who would also promote the lie that Jesus’ faithful members of his Body are still awaiting a resurrection?  Doesn’t it seem that such lies would create a picture of Christ as powerless, as well as God’s anointed as powerless?
    So, here’s the conundrum.  Gerrit Losch said that at the outbreak of Armageddon, the GB would be resurrected to heaven. Does their physical self, die, before this?  Do they spend any time in the “grave”?  He didn’t mention dying, only that the elders would take over for the GB and they would be ruling with Christ.
     Are they allowed spirit life immediately with Christ, while the apostles or any other faithful and sealed anointed over the last 2,000 years waits until the resurrection?  Do they believe the tombs will open once the GB  has ascended?
    Can you see their push to be exalted, not humbled, before Jesus Christ judges them? (Matt 25:23,30)  This is the whole agenda of the WT, both the organization and its leadership (Rev 13:1,11); to take down the anointed in Christ, with lies, and it is accomplished by the use of DECEIT. (Rev 13:11,12,14; 20:10)
    I didn’t see it while in the WT; no one can, unless they step aside and plead with God and Christ to know the truth - not allowing themselves to be encouraged by earthly desires in an earthly organization, that foster what they want to believe; and by leaning on their own understanding.  Prov 3:5-7
    I’ve realize how important it is to start from scratch once leaving the organization.  Its leaders have changed, twisted, and made 360-degree turnarounds in their teachings over the years. I am appalled that I swallowed “fruit” that had no stability or lasting nourishment. (John 15:4)  It is like plugging into a feeding tube of lies.  Anything could be added to it, without one being aware of the consequences. (Deut 29:17-20)  To find any genuine “truth” that comes from the organization, takes work; and we on the outside, understand that.  Although, it is just how Satan wants it to be. (Col 2:18; Rev 13:10;16:13-16) Because it does takes work, it is far easier for the general JW, to accept what comes out of the mouths of the GB, any time, any day, than to do any independent scriptural research.   There is enough subtle fear tactics used, to prevent it. 
     
    “ But these people have hearts that draw back from God and wills that rebel against Him; they have revolted and quit His service and have gone away [into idolatry].
    24 Nor do they say in their hearts, Let us now reverently fear and worship the Lord our God, Who gives rain, both the autumn and the spring rain in its season, Who reserves and keeps for us the appointed weeks of the harvest.
    25 Your iniquities have turned these blessings away, and your sins have kept good [harvests] from you.
    26 For among My people are found wicked men; they watch like fowlers who lie in wait; they set a trap, they catch men.
    27 As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit and treachery; therefore they have become great and grown rich,
    28 They have grown fat and sleek. Yes, they surpass in deeds of wickedness; they do not judge and plead with justice the cause of the fatherless, that they may prosper, and they do not defend the rights of the needy.
    29 Shall I not punish them for these things? says the Lord. Shall I not avenge Myself on such a nation as this?
    30 An appalling and horrible thing [bringing desolation and destruction] has come to pass in the land:
    31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests exercise rule at their own hands and by means of the prophets. And My people love to have it so! But what will you do when the end comes?”  Jer 5:23-31
     
    “I then heard another voice from heaven saying,  Come out from her, my people, so that you may not share in her sins, neither participate in her plagues.
    5 For her iniquities (her crimes and transgressions) are piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her wickedness and [her] crimes [and calls them up for settlement].
    6 Repay to her what she herself has paid [to others] and double [her doom] in accordance with what she has done. Mix a double portion for her in the cup she mixed [for others].
    7 To the degree that she glorified herself and reveled in her wantonness [living deliciously and luxuriously], to that measure impose on her torment and anguish and tears and mourning. Since in her heart she boasts, I am not a widow; as a queen [on a throne] I sit, and I shall never see suffering or experience sorrow—
    8 So shall her plagues (afflictions, calamities) come thick upon her in a single day, pestilence and anguish and sorrow and famine; and she shall be utterly consumed (burned up with fire), for mighty is the Lord God Who judges her.”  Rev 18:4-8
     
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2020/07/crowns.html
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Ann O'Maly in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    I disagree - as do child abuse prevention agencies.
    Also see this article: https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/protecting-children-sexual-abuse/202008/language-matters-child-pornography-no-longer
    Now to JTR. We do not know the exact nature of the material or the circumstances leading to his (alleged) possession or viewing of it, and I'm not going to speculate. I will be most interested in the outcome of his future trial, whichever way it goes. I'm sure other members here feel the same. As he was a frequent poster here, that outcome should, imo, be shared on this forum just as his arrest was. There's nothing shameful about posting publicly available, factual information on a person we interacted with and which could help explain his cryptic message and sudden absence, @Thinking. The shame is in being arrested for that crime.
    I just hope his family and the (alleged) victims are coping OK because this whole saga must be turning their worlds upside-down. Too often we focus on the accused and forget the other lives upended by this.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in A FOUNDATION OF TRUTH?   
    Below is an excerpt from the "Golden Age" magazine of April 2, 1930 pg 446  
    Truly, this is a patriarchal organization, from the ground up. Its foundation is formed by such teachings.  Remember, 1914 was taught during this same time period; a belief that has changed colors many times since Russel.  Should JWs today scoff at the answer to the question, yet readily accept 1914?  JWs are quick to state they live according to Jesus’ teachings, while also playing ignorant to what he tells us:
    “Beware of false prophets. They come to you disguised as sheep, but in their hearts they are vicious wolves. 16 You will know them by what they produce.
    “People don’t pick grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles, do they? 17 In the same way every good tree produces good fruit, but a rotten tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a rotten tree cannot produce good fruit. 19 Any tree that fails to produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into a fire. 20 So you will know them by what they produce.”  Matt 7:15-20
    No wonder the WT to this day, teaches that God’s anointed men and women will become clones –  women transformed into men with white beards, when reigning in the Kingdom of God. 
    Do you really believe this, JWs? 
    Jesus continues in the same chapter of Matthew: 
    “Therefore, everyone who hears what I say and obeys it will be like a wise person who built a house on rock. 25 Rain poured, and floods came. Winds blew and beat against that house. But it did not collapse, because its foundation was on rock.
    26 “Everyone who hears what I say but doesn’t obey it (who doesn’t take Jesus’s admonition of what a “good tree” produces) will be like a foolish person who built a house on sand. 27 Rain poured, and floods came. Winds blew and struck that house. It collapsed, and the result was a total disaster.”  Matt 7:24-27
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2020/08/a-house-on-rock-house-on-sand-7-eyes.html
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    All of these scriptures refer to the anointed Body of Christ, not a false priesthood - "Gentiles who "sit" in God's Temple. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)    Nothing in the organization takes place "decently and by [God's] arrangement" in Christ.  It takes place indecently by man's arrangement.  The "gifts" are given to "Israel" for a purpose, which are not used under the GB/wicked slave.  The anointed priests (1 Pet 2:5,9) are the shepherds that God has assigned, yet are ignored in your organization.    
    Are the elders, "saints"?  
    Eph 4:11,12 - "And he himself gave some as apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists and some as pastors and teachers  for the equipping of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for building up the body of Christ"
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Colossians 3 v 13 Christ or God ?   
    I see the correlation to Matt 6:14.  Although I'm not sure  what believing in the trinity, or not, has to do with how the scripture is rendered.  These scriptures can be considered: 
    “Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you.”
    3 And at once some of the scribes said within themselves, “This Man blasphemes!”
    4 But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, “Why do you think evil in your hearts? 5 For which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise and walk’? 6 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—then He said to the paralytic, “Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” 7 And he arose and departed to his house.
    8 Now when the multitudes saw it, they marveled and glorified God, who had given such power to men.”  Matt 9:2-8
    So He got into a boat, crossed over, and came to His own city.  Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you.”   Matt 9:1,2
    If Jesus has been given the authority to judge, (John 5:22) and is the perfect image of God, (Col 1:15) he also has the authority to forgive.  Which means, the verse in Col 3:13 could correctly be rendered as Jesus Christ, the forgiver of sins; even if we do not believe in the trinity.  
    “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.”  Matt 28:18
    “For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.”  John 5:21-23
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Colossians 3 v 13 Christ or God ?   
    Interesting.
    In this Greek interlinear, we find it to read -
    cristos christos G5547 n_ Nom Sg m ANOINTED Christ
    https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm
    And also here:  https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/col/3/1/t_conc_1110013
     
    In this interlinear, it reads as:
    2962 [e]
    Kyrios
    Κύριος
    Lord
     
    https://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/3.htm
     
    In the many translations I looked at, I never once saw “God” inserted, let alone “Jehovah”.  Always it either Christ or Lord.  It makes you wonder why the WT takes such liberties.  They could have easily left it as “Lord”.  But, Satan's vendetta in the last days is against Christ and the anointed in Christ. (Gen 3:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 12:17; Rev 13:1,7)   I am not surprised of any efforts, subtle or otherwise, that are made to remove evidence of the glory and power of Christ. 
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The woman in the wilderness   
    I know that the organization teaches that Revelation’s “woman” is the “heavenly organization”, or the “wifelike organization”, even calling it the “wife of Jehovah” (w63 12/1 pp. 712-719)
    In another instance, your organizations says of the woman,
    She is a “bride” of many component parts, a composite “bride,” and so an organization following, imitating and doing the will of the prospective Bridegroom.  w81 5/1 pp. 22-27
    Which they mean by the “bridegroom”, Jesus Christ.
    Is this “woman”, the wife of God, or Jesus Christ?  Which WT teaching do you adhere to?  Which do you believe is “truth” about the woman?  You deserve, yes anyone is worthy, to know the truth. 
    Gal 4:22-26 tells us exactly what the “woman” represents.
    “For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.
    24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants.
    “Covenants” – a contract, compact, a testament
    …a “promise”:
    “ But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.  Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. Gal 4:26,28
    Can you see that the “woman” of Revelation is the New Covenant which is symbolized by “Sarah”, and includes those within it, which are the anointed as @4Jah2me pointed out?  (Gal 4:31)
    They are “New Jerusalem”, because…they are the Temple.
    1 Cor 3:16,17 – “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.”
    They are “heavenly”, as a new creation – “born again” in the Spirit.  2 Cor 5:17
    The only “organization” that God recognizes is the Temple built on the chief cornerstone, Jesus Christ.  Eph 2:20-22
    God does not need a wife.  He didn’t need an “organization” to produce Jesus Christ, which is another lie of the WT.   
    To reason on this false doctrine.....
    It is asserted that by means of the "heavenly wife-like organization", Christ was brought forth. It is said that these angelic Sons of God somehow gave birth to Jesus Christ, as well as the group of 144,000.
    Please...according to reason and logic....
    Who created these angelic sons of God in heaven? Were they not created by means of the Firstborn...the Christ? (Col 1:15-18) Yet, he himself was NOT the WIFE of Jehovah. He was God's firstborn Son, and "master worker" (Prov 8:22,30). It was through HIM that the angels were created...not the other way around (Col 1:16). Once created, these angels are also referred to, as "sons"... (not as "wife") (Job 38:7).
     So, the last remnant under the “woman” covenant is the target of the dragon.  Rev 12:17,17  He uses deceit against them – LIES, which we know are Satan’s most effective war weapons.  Rev 13:7
    It looks like you, and all JWs have been lied to.
     
    To learn more about the truth of the “woman”:
    http://pearl-thewoman.blogspot.com/
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The woman in the wilderness   
    I know that the organization teaches that Revelation’s “woman” is the “heavenly organization”, or the “wifelike organization”, even calling it the “wife of Jehovah” (w63 12/1 pp. 712-719)
    In another instance, your organizations says of the woman,
    She is a “bride” of many component parts, a composite “bride,” and so an organization following, imitating and doing the will of the prospective Bridegroom.  w81 5/1 pp. 22-27
    Which they mean by the “bridegroom”, Jesus Christ.
    Is this “woman”, the wife of God, or Jesus Christ?  Which WT teaching do you adhere to?  Which do you believe is “truth” about the woman?  You deserve, yes anyone is worthy, to know the truth. 
    Gal 4:22-26 tells us exactly what the “woman” represents.
    “For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.
    24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants.
    “Covenants” – a contract, compact, a testament
    …a “promise”:
    “ But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.  Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. Gal 4:26,28
    Can you see that the “woman” of Revelation is the New Covenant which is symbolized by “Sarah”, and includes those within it, which are the anointed as @4Jah2me pointed out?  (Gal 4:31)
    They are “New Jerusalem”, because…they are the Temple.
    1 Cor 3:16,17 – “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.”
    They are “heavenly”, as a new creation – “born again” in the Spirit.  2 Cor 5:17
    The only “organization” that God recognizes is the Temple built on the chief cornerstone, Jesus Christ.  Eph 2:20-22
    God does not need a wife.  He didn’t need an “organization” to produce Jesus Christ, which is another lie of the WT.   
    To reason on this false doctrine.....
    It is asserted that by means of the "heavenly wife-like organization", Christ was brought forth. It is said that these angelic Sons of God somehow gave birth to Jesus Christ, as well as the group of 144,000.
    Please...according to reason and logic....
    Who created these angelic sons of God in heaven? Were they not created by means of the Firstborn...the Christ? (Col 1:15-18) Yet, he himself was NOT the WIFE of Jehovah. He was God's firstborn Son, and "master worker" (Prov 8:22,30). It was through HIM that the angels were created...not the other way around (Col 1:16). Once created, these angels are also referred to, as "sons"... (not as "wife") (Job 38:7).
     So, the last remnant under the “woman” covenant is the target of the dragon.  Rev 12:17,17  He uses deceit against them – LIES, which we know are Satan’s most effective war weapons.  Rev 13:7
    It looks like you, and all JWs have been lied to.
     
    To learn more about the truth of the “woman”:
    http://pearl-thewoman.blogspot.com/
  20. Sad
    Witness reacted to Ann O'Maly in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    It seems like he saw a storm coming.
  21. Like
    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in Eastern mentality and Communism compared to the CCJW / Watchtower.   
    If a person, who has studied and know the many doctrinal changes over the years, the failed predictions, the overlapping generations and legalistic nature of the watcher....all aka, incompetence, also reading that the watchtower is the mouthpiece of Jehovah, the channel of communication between Jehovah and man, etc. That person may seem Jehovah is incompetent  because of the incompetency of the watchtower. 
  22. Like
    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Eastern mentality and Communism compared to the CCJW / Watchtower.   
    What sort of record is needed to validate that a person is preaching about God and Christ? A filled-out time slip for men to record, which benefits only the organization? Do scriptures back up this "tradition"?   Those are rules of men. God doesn’t need a time slip; only men who judge one’s spiritual worthiness, need it.   How many JW's here, count their time when speaking to an exjw?     It doesn't take an organization, it doesn't take rules and regulations by men, to speak about God and Jesus.   If we have to be spoon-fed, rule upon rule on how to preach, it is not the Holy Spirit that is directing that sort of preaching work.  If we have to submit any time that we have accrued for what you call, "preaching the good news",  it is the influence of scheming leaders who feel they must know what you are doing, and not doing, for the sake of the organization. 
    "Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules:  “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”?  These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings.  Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence."  Col 2:20-23 
    There were believers of Christ among rulers in the days of the Pharisees, but they couldn't make the break and follow only Christ.  They were slaves to men, and feared for their immediate role of leadership and prestige among their people.  They feared being thrown out of the synagogue, and losing everything and everyone they knew.  Every JW is aware of what they will lose if they refuse to follow the organization’s guidelines. 
    Can our heart be manipulated by wickedness and the dominance of others?  Most certainly.
    “For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.”  Acts 20:29,30
     Just because the WT touts to "preach" worldwide, does not mean that the organization is "the truth".
    Either we genuinely believe in Christ and follow him, or we hypocritically believe in an organization, and follow it.   
    “But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:
    “Lord, who has believed our report?
    And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
    39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:
    40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
    Lest they should see with their eyes,
    Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
    So that I should heal them.”
    41 These things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.
    2 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.  John 12:37-43
    All JWs, strive for the praise of men.
    Synagogue – “congregation/ assembly”
     
     
     
     
  23. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Eastern mentality and Communism compared to the CCJW / Watchtower.   
    What sort of record is needed to validate that a person is preaching about God and Christ? A filled-out time slip for men to record, which benefits only the organization? Do scriptures back up this "tradition"?   Those are rules of men. God doesn’t need a time slip; only men who judge one’s spiritual worthiness, need it.   How many JW's here, count their time when speaking to an exjw?     It doesn't take an organization, it doesn't take rules and regulations by men, to speak about God and Jesus.   If we have to be spoon-fed, rule upon rule on how to preach, it is not the Holy Spirit that is directing that sort of preaching work.  If we have to submit any time that we have accrued for what you call, "preaching the good news",  it is the influence of scheming leaders who feel they must know what you are doing, and not doing, for the sake of the organization. 
    "Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules:  “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”?  These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings.  Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence."  Col 2:20-23 
    There were believers of Christ among rulers in the days of the Pharisees, but they couldn't make the break and follow only Christ.  They were slaves to men, and feared for their immediate role of leadership and prestige among their people.  They feared being thrown out of the synagogue, and losing everything and everyone they knew.  Every JW is aware of what they will lose if they refuse to follow the organization’s guidelines. 
    Can our heart be manipulated by wickedness and the dominance of others?  Most certainly.
    “For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.”  Acts 20:29,30
     Just because the WT touts to "preach" worldwide, does not mean that the organization is "the truth".
    Either we genuinely believe in Christ and follow him, or we hypocritically believe in an organization, and follow it.   
    “But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:
    “Lord, who has believed our report?
    And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
    39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:
    40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
    Lest they should see with their eyes,
    Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
    So that I should heal them.”
    41 These things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.
    2 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.  John 12:37-43
    All JWs, strive for the praise of men.
    Synagogue – “congregation/ assembly”
     
     
     
     
  24. Upvote
    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in North Staffordshire sex beast finally jailed more than 30 years after Jehovah's Witness elders 'covered up' his crimes   
    @John Houston Am I of the Anointed you ask.  I don't think I am, but it does seem I have more of a Christian Bible trained  conscience than most JWs have. 
    It is only your opinion that I have 'anger and frustration'. Though do tell me what hating immorality has to do with " wanting the greater of position, not having a humble heart as Jesus tried to teach them.". Using your idea here it would look as if Jesus didn't have a humble heart because he certainly told the Pharisees their faults.
    Your question "Could you have done a better job with this matter of child abuse if you had the authority?"
    Yes I could have done a better job, and i would have done a better job at it too. I wouldn't have hid any of it. Do you remember the Apostle Paul making it clear about the man that was having sex with his own father's wife. And he told the congregation to sort it out. Paul didn't mince his words and didn't hide anything either. 
    Your questions " The 'anointed' would be judges, correct? But not now in this system right?
    Actually I think the True Anointed (which does not include the GB) should be judges now in some capacity.  BUT, instead the ELDERS and the Circuit Overseers act as judges now. Who is it that disfellowships congregants ? THEY are the ones who are acting as judges now. BUT it is not the Anointed doing it, it is the Elders who act as judges now. And do you think the Elders are closer to God and Christ than the Anointed ?  So that the Elders should be judges ? 
    And unfortunately you copy all other JWs with this wrong idea about Moses. MOSES was INSPIRED OF GOD. Your GB, their helpers, the Elders et al, are NOT Inspired by God. 
    Those MEN in authority in the CCJW / Watchtower Soc' are put in place by other men. It is all the work of MEN. None of them are inspired. None of them are spirit led.  How can i tell ? By Their Works You Will Know Them.
    Your words "Jesus knew the Jewish system was a failure, but while here he did not rise against it, 
    The Jewish System was put in place by GOD. And in fact Jesus was put to death because HE did rise against it. Jesus made clear its faults. Jesus made clear those whom were not serving God properly. Jesus started the NEW way of serving God.  BUT the CCJW / Watchtower does not compare to the Jewish system of things. Looking at the history of the 'Org' it has told lies from the very beginning. It has made false 'predictions' and spread false prophecies. It has used fear to almost force people to serve the Organisation. The ongoing threat that "Unless you are a baptised JW you will die at Armageddon".  The GB exalting themselves to the position of being the Faithful and Discreet Slave, and then telling other Anointed not to meet together or they would be 'working against he holy spirit'. If you cannot see all that as wrong then you seem to have lost your direction. Maybe you are in your comfort zone. 
    Almighty God, working through Christ, will surprise all JWs quite soon I believe. God and Christ have two choices. They can either cleanse the CCJW, or, they can start a new organisation using the True Anointed. If they cleanse the CCJW it would seem the GB would have to be removed and replaced with True Anointed ones. The new Anointed Servants may well come from around the Earth, not from America. 
    'World conditions' are obviously getting much worse. Armageddon must be getting closer day by day. So I cannot see God or Christ letting the CCJW carry on as they are for much longer. The scripture at Luke 17 v 1&2
    Then he said to his disciples: “It is unavoidable that causes for stumbling should come. Nevertheless, woe to the one through whom they come! 2  It would be more advantageous for him if a millstone were hung from his neck and he were thrown into the sea than for him to stumble one of these little ones.
    Th GB and their helpers are the 'causes for stumbling'. The Child Sexual Abuse / Paedophilia in the CCJW is a cause for stumbling. The lack of apology and not wanting to give compensation is a cause of stumbling. The GB telling the Anointed not to spend time together is a cause for stumbling. The GB stating that the Anointed would be 'working against the holy spirit' is a cause for stumbling and probably an insult to God and Christ. 
    I think you are too close to the 'Org' to see its faults. I think JWs are blind to God's standards because JWs follow the GB's rules and standards. Just take a hour of your time to stand back and see the reality. Do research and see what people are saying. 
    (I wonder if the Librarian will make this a new topic)
     
     
     
  25. Thanks
    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in North Staffordshire sex beast finally jailed more than 30 years after Jehovah's Witness elders 'covered up' his crimes   
    https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/north-staffordshire-sex-beast-finally-4401250
    Sex beast Mark Longshaw has finally been jailed for inappropriately touching two children - more than three decades after his crimes were 'brushed under the carpet' by Jehovah’s Witness elders.
    Stoke-on-Trent Crown Court heard he inappropriately touched two children and made them touch him. Elders became aware of the incidents and helped the defendant to ‘cover it up’.
    “He has had no offences since this came to a conclusion and was disclosed to the church elders at the time. He accepts they helped to brush it under the carpet.”
    But blind JWs will say it's all lies and will say how wonderfully safe the CCJW is. If they could hide it then what stops them hiding it now ? 
    And, just think that the GB gives more power to those Elders than to the True Anointed ones. Some things really do have to change in that Org. 
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