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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Weather forecast and Stephen Lett   
    Anna, this is a cop-out.  
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    Witness reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in Real estate as tangible proof that Kingdom is now ruling   
    Wow if the society's buildings and branches is proof what about the Mormons 100 billion bank account thats way more tangible proof to me then 😆😆😆
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Real estate as tangible proof that Kingdom is now ruling   
    I have always wondered why Jesus said, “foxes have dens”, in particular.  It reminds me of Luke 13:31,32 when he called Herod a “fox”. 
    At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”
    32 He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ 
    So, Herod sent the Pharisees, and their response was pretty devious, as if they had some concern for Jesus’ life.  A fox is cunning, and it seems to be a cunning move shared between Herod and the Pharisees. 
    “foxes have dens”…much like false messiahs meet in their “inner rooms” - their dens.
     “For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
    26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.  Matt 24:24-26
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Leander H. McNelly in Real estate as tangible proof that Kingdom is now ruling   
    I have always wondered why Jesus said, “foxes have dens”, in particular.  It reminds me of Luke 13:31,32 when he called Herod a “fox”. 
    At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”
    32 He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ 
    So, Herod sent the Pharisees, and their response was pretty devious, as if they had some concern for Jesus’ life.  A fox is cunning, and it seems to be a cunning move shared between Herod and the Pharisees. 
    “foxes have dens”…much like false messiahs meet in their “inner rooms” - their dens.
     “For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
    26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.  Matt 24:24-26
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Leander H. McNelly in Real estate as tangible proof that Kingdom is now ruling   
    This requires putting one’s faith/treasure in men, riches, and what they can accomplish with it, and not putting faith in the power of Holy Spirit.
    "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Make money-bags for yourselves that won’t grow old, an inexhaustible treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Luke 12:33,34
    8 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen”  Matt 28:18-20
    It doesn't take "tangible proof" to know God's will is accomplished. Isn't the Father and Jesus Christ powerful enough to make sure it's done without the use of the world's riches? 
    Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”  John 20:29
    The meaning of Christ's words have not changed. He spoke against materialism.  Your leaders highlight materialism.  Men can interpret Jesus' words, who have no Holy Spirit within their heart, to be influential in deceiving others that they are following God's way.  I remember when becoming a JW, that Catholics were slammed for their churches and great accomplishments in building feats throughout the world.  I tried hard to convince others that the WT was God's organization, and not part of the world.  I desired to believe it was somehow "different".  As is more evident, all the WT strives to do, is appear to be a rival in the world's accomplishments, as it made note of, when revealing its plan to build a mega media center.  Now, there are two planned, which only will lead to more.  It is no different than the Catholic Church.  
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Real estate as tangible proof that Kingdom is now ruling   
    The scores of branch office buildings, hundreds of Assembly Halls, and tens of thousands of Kingdom Halls around the world provide tangible proof that God’s Kingdom is real and is now ruling."
    The GB and JW congregants need to see physical things, because they have no real faith in God, Christ or holy spirit. They are physical 'men'.
    1 Corinthians 2 v 14  (NWT.)
     " But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually. "
    How very true this is. So the GB & Co replace it with physical things. Large buildings, Offices, books, magazines, 'carts', and the buying and selling of real estate. 
    Jesus didn't even have a 'place to lay his head'. Luke 9 v 58
    But Jesus said to him: “Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Real estate as tangible proof that Kingdom is now ruling   
    C2 to develop or make progress in something: He has probably done more to further the cause of interracial harmony than any other person. Additional training is probably the best way to further your career these days.   It is questionable what is really happening in this segment of WT business. They reduced office stuff, closed many Branch offices, selling KH's around the worlds. It seems how such reports not coming promptly or not coming at all, and are not part of "proofs how Kingdom is ruling" in decreasing period of time.    When WT Society building program is in pick number and when they sales this same KH's in enormous number globally - are both of this corporative, administrative politics speaking of same sort of progress? 
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Real estate as tangible proof that Kingdom is now ruling   
    What does that strange term, “further Kingdom interest” mean?  Does it mean helping others to have “interest” in the Kingdom of God?  Or, does it mean assisting men who have an obsessive interest in building their own “kingdom” in Satan’s world?  Luke 4:5-7
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Real estate as tangible proof that Kingdom is now ruling   
    This requires putting one’s faith/treasure in men, riches, and what they can accomplish with it, and not putting faith in the power of Holy Spirit.
    "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Make money-bags for yourselves that won’t grow old, an inexhaustible treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Luke 12:33,34
    8 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen”  Matt 28:18-20
    It doesn't take "tangible proof" to know God's will is accomplished. Isn't the Father and Jesus Christ powerful enough to make sure it's done without the use of the world's riches? 
    Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”  John 20:29
    The meaning of Christ's words have not changed. He spoke against materialism.  Your leaders highlight materialism.  Men can interpret Jesus' words, who have no Holy Spirit within their heart, to be influential in deceiving others that they are following God's way.  I remember when becoming a JW, that Catholics were slammed for their churches and great accomplishments in building feats throughout the world.  I tried hard to convince others that the WT was God's organization, and not part of the world.  I desired to believe it was somehow "different".  As is more evident, all the WT strives to do, is appear to be a rival in the world's accomplishments, as it made note of, when revealing its plan to build a mega media center.  Now, there are two planned, which only will lead to more.  It is no different than the Catholic Church.  
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Real estate as tangible proof that Kingdom is now ruling   
    What does that strange term, “further Kingdom interest” mean?  Does it mean helping others to have “interest” in the Kingdom of God?  Or, does it mean assisting men who have an obsessive interest in building their own “kingdom” in Satan’s world?  Luke 4:5-7
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Real estate as tangible proof that Kingdom is now ruling   
    This requires putting one’s faith/treasure in men, riches, and what they can accomplish with it, and not putting faith in the power of Holy Spirit.
    "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Make money-bags for yourselves that won’t grow old, an inexhaustible treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Luke 12:33,34
    8 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen”  Matt 28:18-20
    It doesn't take "tangible proof" to know God's will is accomplished. Isn't the Father and Jesus Christ powerful enough to make sure it's done without the use of the world's riches? 
    Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”  John 20:29
    The meaning of Christ's words have not changed. He spoke against materialism.  Your leaders highlight materialism.  Men can interpret Jesus' words, who have no Holy Spirit within their heart, to be influential in deceiving others that they are following God's way.  I remember when becoming a JW, that Catholics were slammed for their churches and great accomplishments in building feats throughout the world.  I tried hard to convince others that the WT was God's organization, and not part of the world.  I desired to believe it was somehow "different".  As is more evident, all the WT strives to do, is appear to be a rival in the world's accomplishments, as it made note of, when revealing its plan to build a mega media center.  Now, there are two planned, which only will lead to more.  It is no different than the Catholic Church.  
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Real estate as tangible proof that Kingdom is now ruling   
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/end-times-prophecy-sign/
    In describing what things will take place as visible "sign" of "conclusion" (in 70 CE) Gospels counting many events and conditions in the interaction inside society, among the people. Christians in the 1st century didn't build headquarter, branch offices, KH etc, what would be as a proof of God's blessings and proof that King is ruling in his Kingdom.  If apostles in 1st century was same as today GB, and vice versa, than it would be "normal" to expect same pattern of behavior, actions, plans, organizational instructions, doctrines, material programs, money principles, donation systems, building programs etc. in both period of time. That would be "proof" how 1st century GB and 20th century GB was run, guide by same power of God who do not change.
    It was very well established  on this Forum how Jesus became King in the year 33 CE and had his Kingdom. In fact, He was The Kingdom on Earth not only in the midst of his disciples, (is "within you"), but also in the midst of his enemies. Obviously, 1st century disciples didn't need same sort of material "proofs" aka buildings for this, as WT publications want to show nowadays Christians how this sort of "proof" is exactly what they need today to "see".
    Even in WT picture above, accent is on worlds conditions and people's deeds (and all are in context of evil). 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in 2020 Yeartext of Jehovah's Witnesses   
    NWT Matt 28 v 19
    Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,o baptizing themp in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 
    JW, Kingdom Interlinear Translation
      πορευθέντεςhaving gone your wayοὖνthereforeμαθητεύσατεmake disciples ofπάνταallτὰtheἔθνη,nations,βαπτίζοντεςbaptizingαὐτοὺςthem [persons]εἰςintoτὸtheὄνομαnameτοῦof theπατρὸςFatherκαὶandτοῦof theυἱοῦSonκαὶandτοῦof theἁγίουholyπνεύματος,spirit, 
     
    εἰςinto = INTO. Does this have a different meaning than in ? 
    The Interlinear says baptising them INTO the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit. 
    Now JW Org does not do this. It baptises people INTO the JW Org. 
    When Jesus spoke those words, would he have meant INTO, because at that time the ones being baptised would have been of the Anointed. They would have been baptised INTO a promise from Almighty God. A special relationship. 
    If that is the actual picture for the Year Text then it is very sad. It is misrepresentation of God and Christ, by cutting short the real words Jesus spoke.
    And please tell me why JW Org does not use those original words ? 
    Thank you. 
     
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in The range of political beliefs among Jehovah's Witnesses   
    The true test of any association of people, be it a Nation, a Tribe, a Family, or a religious organization is this:
    How many people are trying hard to get in ... and how many people are trying hard to get out.
    The Soviets knew their "iron curtain" was not a protective wall to try and keep people out ... it was a prison wall to try and keep people in.
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Revelation: Babylon the Great, etc.   
    Thank you.  I also wish you well, with blessings!  I appreciate your use of scriptures to make your point.  
    I often think of how the WT uses Prov 4:18 to validate their “new light” policies.
    “The path of the righteous is like the morning sun,
        shining ever brighter till the full light of day.”
    No one can boast of understanding this “light” if it doesn’t take root in one’s heart and thrive.  As I look back at the organization, there are undoubtedly numerous discarded shards of what was taught as “light”, but time proved it to be full-on blackness.
    “But if anyone walks during the night, he does stumble, because the light is not in him."  John 11:10
    “Yes, the light of the wicked is extinguished; the flame of his fire does not glow. The light in his tent grows dark, and the lamp beside him is put out.”  Job 18:5,6
    I’ve learned that our spiritual development begins with turning to the source of light, where it is never to be mingled with a dark, false teaching that needs replacing.
    “Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?” 2 Cor 6:14
    Jesus is compared to the sun. (Mal 4:2; Matt 17:2)  He is that light that the GB cannot perceive, since they rely on their own wisdom. (Prov 3:7; Ezek 13:9)   They are "false christs", shining their own false light. (Matt 24:24; 2 Cor 11:13-15; Rev 8:10,11)
    David Splane and his “generation” chart comes to mind when reading the next verse in Prov 4.
    Prov 4:19 – “But the way of the wicked is like the darkest gloom; they don't know what makes them stumble.”
    That is a verse that seems to be ignored!
    Jesus said,  “Keep asking, and it will be given to you. Keep searching, and you will find. Keep knocking, and the doorwill be opened to you.”  Matt 7:7
    “Every generous act and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights; with Him there is no variation or shadow cast by turning.”  James 1:17
    We come out of the WT spiritually starved for the light of Christ, maybe not even realizing it. (Amos 5:20) He is right there to provide the light of understanding that is unfolding in these last days. (Isa 9:2; Matt 13:43)  There has been no other time in my life where the practice of seeking “hidden treasure” was so profound, so difficult, yet eventually brought peace of mind knowing I had begun walking on the right road leading to understanding.  Isa 30:21
    “My son, if you accept my words
        and store up my commands within you,
    2 turning your ear to wisdom
        and applying your heart to understanding—
    3 indeed, if you call out for insight
        and cry aloud for understanding,
    4 and if you look for it as for silver
        and search for it as for hidden treasure,
    5 then you will understand the fear of the Lord
        and find the knowledge of God.”  Prov 2:1-5
    Jesus Christ is ready to help us gain his light of understanding, that never will be snuffed out.  It only gets brighter until the "day" the Kingdom of God arrives.
    “We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.”  2 Pet 1:19
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Revelation: Babylon the Great, etc.   
    Quote @TrueTomHarley  " PS: the good guys have all migrated for now to Anna’s new thread on the closed site. You’re welcome to join them. Leave 4Jah, Srecko, and Witness here to talk among themselves. They’ll soon discover that they can’t stand one another. "
    Yes, @Srecko Sostar it seems that Tom has a slight sickness. Tom seems to have a need to be sarcastic and try to cause trouble.  Tom has a need to incite hatred in people and he seems to need to put us down. 
    In honesty @Srecko Sostar you are a person I would like to meet face to face and to have deep discussion with, because your comments seem sincere and sensible and you can reason well on things. 
    There are not many on here I would like to meet with. 
    It would also seem that they have a fear of us, as they need to hide in their 'closed site'. 
    If Tom believes that serving the GB makes them 'good guys' well so be it. Only time will tell. 
    To my own surprise I sort of did a bit of witnessing on Facebook today. Not on behalf of JW Org of course, but on behalf of God. I will put it on a new topic now.  
    Srecko I wish you well and your family also. 
    @Witness I wish you well also. I tend to agree with much that you say, but a lot of your comments are too deep for me to fully understand. 
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in SIGNS OF THE TIMES, MAYBE ? WITNESSING FOR GOD   
    For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.  Jer 29:11
    Then the One seated on the throne said, “Look! I am making everything new.” He also said, “Write, because these words are faithful and true.”  Rev 21:5
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Revelation: Babylon the Great, etc.   
    If that happened, and in life everything is possible.... that would not be real or good reason for your happiness :)) Because, other people fall or quarrel or "love that grow cold" are not something that will bring to you or anyone else any true satisfaction and peace.  
    PS
    About "love that grow cold". Shunning policy inside WT Society is very clear example of this words. And with such policy JW's giving own contribution to this "prophecy". We all who here making conversation that oppose each other opinions and standpoints and beliefs, somehow proves how we showing each other something that goes contrary to this Jesus's words. We are not "in love", but, by NOT IGNORING each other comments we giving proof for something else. What it is, That Something, i will leave to individual perceptions.
    Stay well!  
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in SIGNS OF THE TIMES, MAYBE ? WITNESSING FOR GOD   
    It is true that I no longer go door to door teaching others about God or about His Kingdom. However i do a bit of what might be classes as 'witnessing' on Facebook and at other opportunities.  So I found this quote online and I thought, that it is probably better than I could write it myself.  Quote : -
     
    Anguish of Nations not knowing the way....Out ? Out of What?
    “Anguish of nations, not knowing the way out . . . Men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth.” (Luke 21:25, 26) Crime, violence, drug addiction, family breakups, economic instability, unemployment—the list is long and growing. One prominent scientist wrote: “We will eat fear, sleep fear, live in fear and die in fear.”
    “In the last days critical times hard to deal with.” (2 Timothy 3:1) The apostle Paul spoke of people “having come to be past all moral sense.” (Ephesians 4:19) He elaborated, however, on the moral breakdown he foretold for “the last days.” It sounds like today’s newscasts: “Know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.”—2 Timothy 3:1-5.
    “In the last days there will come ridiculers.” (2 Peter 3:3) Newspapers, newscasts, magazines, books, and movies scornfully dismiss the Bible and replace it with their own freethinking propaganda, saying, as Peter foretold: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning.”—2 Peter 3:4. " : End of quote.
    But this quote was written a decade ago. TEN years ago. And things are much worse now. 
    I think I've mentioned earlier that I'm into reading all the 'word news' but i did get a topic come up on my FB, page from the Telegraph, about 'some big climate change meeting of top knobs', so I just tried to give it some balance from God's viewpoint.  I will of course get a blasting from folks on FB but i can handle that.  
    It helped me also to gain a bit of balance. But then it also creates so many questions. God needs a true, faithful and clean collection of humans for when He decides to 'sort out the problems' down here on Earth. There is indeed much work to be done. Only time will tell how it all plays out, and who HE uses. 
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Genuine and Professed Jehovah's Witness - Who is who?   
    Using their reasoning, it makes you wonder who really were/are, the authentic "Jehovah's Witnesses" of the WT.  During the next meeting, all eight million will be assured they are the authentic ones, "Jehovah's chosen people." 
    To add to their twisted ideas, they do believe this is the time of Harvest - the separating of the sheep and the goats.  This must also mean the separating of the "professed" JWs from the authentic JWs.   The "thousand year" reign of Christ is said to begin after the harvest period is finished; once Armageddon, "The Great Day of God the Almighty, is done. Rev 16:14   However, that time period of a literal thousand years to follow, is called a "judgment day", albeit a pleasant one, by the WT. Once this time period ends, there will be a second phase of weeding out the "professed" JWs, leaving only authentic JWs one more time,  to enjoy eternal life.  It is another "Great Day of God the Almighty".   
      We also know that Judgment Day will be a thousand years long and is fast approaching. (Rev. 20:4, 6) We do not fear Judgment Day, for we understand that it will bring untold blessings to those judged faithful. The fulfillment of our hope for a glorious future is guaranteed by the greatest of miracles—the resurrection of Jesus Christ!    w12 9/1 p. 17
    Their teachings are an unending circle of confusion.  Redemption is now for eternity, if we choose it.  
     For he says: At an acceptable time I listened to you, and in the day of salvation I helped you. See, now is the acceptable time; now is the day of salvation!  2 Cor 6:2
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    I have never read Dawkin's books.  I read the Bible.  If it is a "compulsive" behavior to read God's Word, I consider it a blessing from God. 
    It is your choice to shun your brother, by following the dictates of men who have a fine reputation of leading people away from the true God and Jesus Christ, through the promotion of false teachings.  People leave for selfish reasons, others leave wanting  to search out authentic truth. 
     The organization is not God.  No organization can claim to possess God, yet the  WT certainly does, a "treacherous" act of bold assumption. That thought originates from a depraved mind. 
     But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
    6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone. 2 Tim 3:1-9
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S EXIT TALK AT KINGDOM HALL FROM PODIUM   
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Genuine and Professed Jehovah's Witness - Who is who?   
    I like this man's opinion:
    YHWH...   
                  The "Name" of the Father in heaven. 

             Most Hebrew "Names" had meanings. Names of people today in general are often less like that.  They are given based on what the parents prefer to call their children.  Sometimes the name may simply be one that the parent likes, or it may be the name of a relative. This is even sometimes the case in ancient Israel during Jesus time, where many people expected the parents to name their child after a relative. (Luke 1:61) (Luke1:59,60,61,62,63,64)  But notice this; the angel of the Lord told Zechariah, that he should name his son John, (Luke 1:13) , and that is what both he and his wife did.  Mary the mother of Jesus was also told what name to give her son by an angel. (Luke 1:31) 
    The names in the bible, are unlike the names parents give their children today.  Most bible names have meanings that encompass so much more.   God brought the animals to Adam to see what Adam would call each of them. (Gen 2:19)
    Although the bible fails to say this, it is unlikely that Adam simply picked a nice sounding name.  I think Adam was very careful about this assignment... Adam probably studied the animal and thoughtfully decided on a name that fit the animal.
     God even changed the names of some persons to describe the individual more accurately.  For example at age 99 God changed Abraham's name from Abram to Abraham, and his wife's name from Sarai to Sarah.(Gen 17:1-5; Gen 17:15) 
    These names defined  some of the attributes of an individual.

    In this sense the Father's "name" is less likely just a "proper name" as we understand names today. It is probable that no human could comprehend it's full meaning. (Compare Rev 19:12; Rev 2:17)  These two scriptures alone show us that a "name" is more than simply a person's "name" as we understand it today.  There is so much more meaning that we can fail to discern.  The white pebble (or stone) that is given to the faithful who conquer, is known only to the one who receives it. (Rev 2:17)  When Jesus said "I have made your name "known"...it meant something other than making the spelling or sound of the "name" of God known. (Most of the Jews of his day already had a better handle on the Hebrew language than we do). 

     Even Pharoah of Egypt "knew" that part of it...But did he really "know" God ? . (Exodus 5:2)

    Holman Christian Standard Bible

    But Pharaoh responded, "Who is Yahweh that I should obey Him by letting Israel go? I do not know anything about Yahweh, and besides, I will not let Israel go."

    YHWH:  The descriptive "name" of God.
     For us to routinely use that descriptive name, as if it were a proper name, may be the wrong thing to do.

    Here is an interesting thought:  How would you address your earthly father?  You could call him "Father" or possibly "Dad".  
    Out of respect for your father, would you call him by his first name?  Would you introduce him to your friends using his first name?
    Would you introduce your earthly father by his descriptive name... as..."He who caused my birth"?  Would you introduce your earthly mother as "She that gave birth to me"?   
    (I think most people would consider that disrespectful.)
    Jesus is going to hand everything back over to his "Father".
    (1 Cor 15:24, 28)   
    When he does, God will become all things to everyone.  
    If Jesus calls his Father..."Father", then what will we call him when we become God's earthly children?
    Jesus told the Samaritan Woman at the well, that "True Worshipers" would worship the "Father" with spirit and truth, for indeed, the "Father" is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. 
    (John 4:21, 23, 24)
    It makes me wonder...since Jesus had many opportunities to verbally make the spelling and sound of God's descriptive "Name" known, then why didn't he?  Instead he simply and respectfully called God..."Father", as did the Apostles and disciples.  They all had ample opportunity to use the "Name", but if you search the scriptures,  it would be a difficult task without their original writings, to conclusively challenge the fact that this is absent.

    The True God's name, a verb form of Hebrew, means "To be"..."He causes to become"...so he can be whatever he has to be to accomplish his purpose. He can cause to be whatever he will, to accomplish his purposes.  {Hebrew verb...hawah..."to be"}.

    Knowing God's "name" means understanding him as fully as we humans can.  

    It means having faith in the meaning of his name, that he will live up to his "Name"...specifically, the description of what his name means.  


    Jesus would never have followed any man-made traditions.  Nor today, would he use any "man-made" names for God, as Bible translators do today, simply because that name was in use for a couple of centuries.

    ( The  J   is absent in Hebrew. The J that Bible translators use, comes from the Germanic language in much later centuries.
     Those translators also decided to place vowels from the Hebrew word Adonai as well. 
     In the Hebrew language ... the word "hovah" essentially means;  to destroy, ruin, disaster, to make mischief, according to some.  This descriptive "name"  more of a description of Satan, than it is of Almighty God...the one who creates and gives life). (Genesis 1:31)
    The name "Hovah" fails to convey a creator of life and good.

         If we had the original manuscripts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John from the First Century, as well as all the original letters that Luke, Paul, Peter, James and John wrote, there would be little controversy as to whether Jesus used God's descriptive name as has been said by the Watchtower organization.       

         We fail to have the original First Century manuscripts. We only have parts from the second and third century at the earliest. Those could have been corrupted by the then already existing men of lawlessness.
        We are unable go back in time to the first century to hear whether they used the divine name. Were we there to listen to Jesus or his Apostles speak, we would be able to know, however, without this possibility to go back in time, to know how to "pronounce" the divine "name" would be even more difficult.
           God has promised that the understanding of the "scrolls" (bible) would be opened up to us in the time of the end. 

    If Jesus called God "Father", then why not imitate him?
    You can imitate Jesus. It is allowed.

    Agape, 
    Obadiah
     
    https://nameofgodatobadiah.blogspot.com/2013/09/yhwh.html?m=1
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    Having just looked at @The Librarian topic about the name Jesus I noticed this
    The name "Jesus" has a long, long history. The origin of this name is the Hebrew name ????? (yehoshu'a, Strong's #3091 [Latinized as Joshua]), which means "Yahweh saves."
    Then in another of @The Librarian topics we have this 
     
    The name Jesus (Gr., I·e·sous′) corresponds to the Hebrew name Jeshua (or, in fuller form, Jehoshua), meaning “Jehovah Is Salvation.” 
    Um, someone cannot make up their mind here.  
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    Sorry @Srecko Sostar I've gone totally off of your topic . 
    Would be good if the @The Librarian could move my comments (except this one) to a new topic, please. 
    To return to @Srecko Sostar 's topic : " After the death of the apostles, professing Christians left off pronouncing the name". 
    Now if that is saying that anyone not using God's name is not a true Christian, then it would of course be important to get God's name right 
    Quote : Notwithstanding, it is almost certain that the name of God was originally pronounced “Yah·wehʹ.”
    But to quote from Srecko's original topic. 
     In addition, some professing to be a part of the congregation have succumbed to perverted fleshly desires and have sexually abused children.
    But some of those are Elders. So they must have been quite convincing in their 'professing to be part of the congregation'. 
     
     
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