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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are Elders, "gods"?   
    I have used YHVH, YHWH, and Yahweh.    
    No.  
     
    I already outlined the role of the spiritual priesthood under Christ.  The elder "priesthood" is an evil dichotomy transgressing the laws of God.
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are Elders, "gods"?   
    Zech. 10:2 – “For the household gods utter nonsense, and the diviners see lies; they tell false dreams and give empty consolation. Therefore the people wander like sheep; they are afflicted for lack of a shepherd.”
    The term “household gods” refers to the Hebrew word “teraphim”, which means “healer”, a family idol, an image.  Teraphim could be rather large and in the shape of a human. They were consulted in divination, and derived from a root word meaning, “comfort”; thus, the teraphim god was a “giver of comfort”. (Gen 31:19; 1 Sam 19:13; Judges 17:5; 18-20; Hos 3:4,5)
    Their role with the “diviners” of Zech 10:2 can be seen in Ezek. 21:21 -
    “For the king of Babylon stands at the fork of the road at the head of the two roads to practice divination. He shakes the arrows, he inquires with the teraphim, he sees with the liver..” 
    (Diviner - “one who pretends to predict events”, “false prophets of Israel”  - Micah 3:6)
    Consider if you will, the elder body. Can they be symbolically viewed as the teraphim – as gods?  It is stressed in the organization that congregation elders provide “spiritual support and comfort” and are “protectors of the flock”.  They are the governing leader’s “Helpers” whom they consult with, through the writing committee and many other committees that are part of the organization. 
    Jesus had asked the question in John 10:34-36, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35 If those people to whom the word of God came were called ‘gods’ (and the scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?”
    He is quoting from Ps 82:6 - I said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.”
    As “sons of the Most High”, God’s holy people, the anointed priesthood, are “gods”. 
    Gal 3:26 – “or through faith you are all sons of God in Christ Jesus.”
    They form, as priestly “living stones”, the spiritual house, the Temple of God. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; 6:19; Eph 2:20-22)
    God’s early priests were to teach the people His instructions. (Deut 33:10; Num 27:21; 2 Chron 15:3; Mal 2:7)
    Since the advent of Jesus Christ - the High Priest and chief cornerstone of the spiritual Temple -  God’s chosen priests are given a token of spiritual understanding, with God’s laws written on their heart. (Matt 13:12; 2 Cor 1:21,22; Heb 8:10,1,2; 10:19-22)  
    They must teach the word of God to all, as ambassadors of Christ. (2 Cor 5:20; Rom 15:15,16; 1 Pet 2:9)
    To his faithful priests who walk in his path upholding his truths, Jesus gives “hidden manna”. (Luke 9:23; Matt 4:4; John 17:17; 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:7,17,18)
    Yes, those to whom Christ gives hidden manna, take in the power of eternal life, through the spirit and it's seed placed within them (1 Pet 1:23; Rom 8:9). It then dwells within them (Luke 8:8,15).
    They have authority to give it to yet others who receive them. They become messengers (Greek: "angels") of heavenly bread (Mal.2:7; 1Cor.4:1)
    (John6:51,55; 1Cor.12:27; 10:17; John1:51)
    and of living water (John7:38; Rev.22:17,1,2; Jer.17:7,8; Ps.1:3; Prov.11:28; Isa.61:3; Eze.47:12; John15:16,8; 14:12,13; Gen.22:15,18; Gal.3:29)
     (John7:38; Luke6:45,44; Matt.7:20).
    Possessing the power to impart eternal life...."gods", indeed!
    Pearl Doxsey 
    Can the “uncircumcised” elder body, fit this description? (Ezek 44:7,9)  No.  The organization loosely uses the term, “God’s house” to define not only its physical “Bethel”, its kingdom halls, and various buildings, but also its people.  It has removed the distinction between the righteous and the unrighteous, the clean and the unclean, by allowing a “Gentile” elder body to replace God’s priests.  (Num 3:10;18:7; Lev 10:10; Ezek 44:23; Rev 11:1,2)   These men are false “gods”/false priests of a greater idol.  While the anointed are to represent the image of God’s Temple and dwelling of His Spirit (1 Cor 3:16), the elders represent the image of “Jehovah’s spirit-directed organization”.  (Rev 13:14-17)
    The scriptures refer to teraphim as an abomination. (1 Kings 23:24) 
     To correlate this abomination as “gods” within God’s sanctuary, the word “abomination” in Matt 24:15, is translated as,
    “a foul thing, a detestable thing, of idols and things pertaining to idolatry.”
    Mark 13:14 - “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
    The abomination certainly is the elder body “standing in” or stationed unofficially, as ‘representatives’ of the royal priesthood…becoming its own priesthood, and firmly establishing its power and false authority over the holy place”/Temple of God. (Matt 24:15; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  Being granted that role by the wicked slave/governing leaders, has resulted in the removal of the priestly “daily sacrifice” and the trampling of the “living stones” of God’s Temple.  (Dan 8:11-13; Matt 24:48-51; Rev 9:1-4) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A15%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17%3BDan+8%3A11-13%3B+Matt+24%3A48-51%3B+Rev+9%3A1-4&version=NKJV
    In 2 Kings 23:24, the household gods and “all abominations” were removed by King Josiah “in order to establish the words of the law written on the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the temple of YHVH.”  The anointed today, have been silenced in the organization.  Under the presence of the “abomination”, the laws of God written on the anointed heart are rejected for the laws of men. (2 Kings 17:7,8; Ps 10:13; Amos 2:4)  Christ’s teachings are either polluted or ignored. (Dan 8:12; Matt 5:17-19; Mark 7:7,8; John 12:47-48; Gal 1:11,12) 
    It is an outright lie, that the organization carries God’s blessing and is inhabited by His Spirit, when His laws are blasphemed by the “abomination standing in the holy place”. (2 Chron 7:19-21; Jer 7:11,15; 1 Cor 3:17; 2 Thess 2:4,8; Rev 14:9-11)
    The priesthood has been ordered by the governing leaders to remain distinctly separate from one another. This too is blasphemy, and sadly the anointed have been fooled into believing it is a decree coming from God.  (Ezek 44:6-9; Mal 1,2,7,8,11) (Mark 13:2; 1 Cor 12:25-27; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10; 16:13-15; Mal 2:9)
    “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. 37 He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. 38 Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his ancestors he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts.”  Dan 11:36-38
    The Hebrew word for “fortresses” means a place of safety, protection, refuge, stronghold.  For JWs, the organization is perceived as such; a refuge and place of spiritual protection, but also each elder is said to reflect these qualities. 
    Yes, I believe the characteristics of the teraphim can be compared to the Body of Elders, the “abomination”, replacing God’s priesthood and blaspheming His spiritual Temple. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-7)
    Elders are the assumed spiritual “healers” and are consulted for protection, comfort and guidance, in conjunction with the “diviners”, or the false prophets/ governing leaders. (Matt 7:15; 24:24; 2 Pet 2:1; Rev 13:11,15)
     
    Knowing these things (about the identity of the "gods")
    helps us to interpret prophecy accurately, such as 2 Thess 2:4....

    "He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called god or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God**."

    Although we were taught while within the "Watchtower", that this "man of lawlessness" (2 Thess 2:3,4) pertains to "Christendom";
    We now see that this is an identity that actually comes to dominate the authentic anointed.... the genuine priests of "God's temple" (1 Cor 3:16; Rev 5:10).
    This is in harmony with so many scriptures that speak about the final condition of the anointed while being trampled by Gentiles ("man of lawlessness")
    (Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10,7; Isa 5:5; 63:18; Dan 8:13; Rev 11:2).
     Who are the "gods"?
     
     
     
     
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    You know what is absolutely amazing to me, @Dmitar/Allen?  You've downvoted God's word. My comment sited many scriptures.  You are supporting  how your organization treats the anointed.  You and all JWs are supporting the breaking of God's commandments about the priesthood...unless they know, but are too afraid to speak up for the word of God and accept instead, the word of men.
    Who is the god you worship?  It isn't the God of Truth.  
    “This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: go ahead, add your burnt offerings to your other sacrifices and eat the meat yourselves! 22 For when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command: obey Me, and I will be your God and you will be My people. Walk in obedience to all I command you, that it may go well with you. 
    24 But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backwards and not forwards. 25 From the time your ancestors left Egypt until now, day after day, again and again I sent you my servants the prophets. 26 But they did not listen to me or pay attention. They were stiff-necked and did more evil than their ancestors.”
    27 ‘When you tell them all this, they will not listen to you; when you call to them, they will not answer. 28 Therefore say to them, “This is the nation that has not obeyed the Lord its God or responded to correction. Truth has perished; it has vanished from their lips.  Jer 7
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Get your money back.   
    Are you saying the organization is a temple?
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    The priests are certainly despised in the organization.  If these ones are to take of the "showbread", then why must they answer to men who continually feed them stale, rotten "bread"? (new light/old light)  You call this, being fed by God? If the food is found to be stale, did it impart life to begin with?  Matt 7:15-20
      And...why must they not meet together under their High Priest Jesus Christ to study the scriptures  - the "bread of life" - as one body?  That is what your organization tells them.
    “I am the bread of life,” Jesus told them. “No one who comes to me will ever be hungry, and no one who believes in me will ever be thirsty again.  John 6:35
    "Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf."  1 Cor 10:17
    The anointed are prohibited from approaching Jesus Christ to receive the bread of life, as the members of his body. (Eph 4:4-13; 2:20-22 )  They are the spiritual Temple/dwelling of God's Spirit.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  Each one of these "living stones" in the organization is being "destroyed" by a counterfeit priesthood WHOM THEY MUST OBEY - the elder body.  2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
    Where in the scriptures does it say that they MUST OBEY men not anointed?  
    Matt 25:45 - “Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
    Arauna, you could read about the duties of the early priesthood ...Deut 33:10; Num 27:21; 2 Chron 15:3; Mal 2:7;2 Cor 5:20; Rom 15:15,16; 1 Pet 2:9
    ...and then ask yourself why you have submitted to the false rulership over you of a counterfeit priesthood, which transgresses the laws of God. Num 18:7; Lev 10:10; Ezek 44:23; Rev 11:1,2
    "You are to appoint Aaron and his sons to carry out their priestly responsibilities, but any unauthorized person who comes near the sanctuary is to be put to death.”  Num  3:10
    "Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders"  wt 01/8/1
    Blasphemy
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Get your money back.   
    I’m guessing you must be referring to “unrighteous riches”.  When Jesus told his disciples, “Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees” (Matt 16:6), he wasn’t talking about literal bread; nor was he talking about literal seed falling on the roadway, in the rocks, in good soil in Matt 13:1-9
    Every parable applies to a spiritual setting, and it is the same with unrighteous riches.  Jesus continually spoke against accumulating riches in this world, so why in this one circumstance of the “manager”/”steward” of Luke 16:1-12, (which the Wt quotes are referring to) would he condone it?  Wt. is earthly based. Of course they will only look at the elementary meaning of “riches”.  They love accumulating material possessions.  If they understood the message Jesus was making, they would sell their own possessions and give to every JW in need.  Matt 19:21.  There is only road in for the material riches they accumulate from its members; and in return these members receive spiritual nonsense.  (Matt 7:15-20)
    In the Body of Christ, there are several gifts of Holy Spirit disbursed to each anointed one. (Eph 4:4-13) Holy Spirit is the gift of knowledge, of the wisdom of truth, which is compared to “fine gold”, and spiritual “food”.  (Prov 16:16; John 4:32; 6:35; 1 John 2:21; Rev 3:18)  One gift given is that of “manager”, a “steward” or “administrator” of the spiritual house of God. (1 Cor 12:28)  By effectively managing the disbursement of valuable knowledge, of “food”, gleaned from each member, all are well provided for.   This is a house of priests/kings built on the foundation of Jesus, the chief cornerstone, and the apostles.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22) They will be “rich”, as rulers under Jesus Christ, the King of kings, having the authority to supply truth (fine gold) to all in the Kingdom. (Mal 2:7; Rev 5:9,10; 1 Tim 6:15; Rev 19:16) The GB has placed themselves in the position of ruling over these kings, as if they are “already rich” with power and authority – 1 Cor 4:8.  Yet, they “squander” or “waste” what goods, what token of truth has been given to each household member. They refuse to ask any other anointed for the riches deposited in their heart at the anointing.  They are too haughty to “dig” for truth – to approach the anointed as a body for what spiritual token of truth was given them. (Luke 16:3; 2 Cor 1:22) They have not managed, or been faithful “with what belongs to another”.  Luke 16:10-12
     Jesus’ last statement after relating this parable should shed light on what he was talking about: 
    “No servant can serve two masters, since either he will hate one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” Luke 16:13
    It should be clear that their vision is based on material riches and possessions.  The Wt. expects its members to donate their material goods to the org. The GB give their full devotion and attention to their accumulated wealth; what to build with it, and then tell JWs it is devoted to God?  Truthfully, they do not serve God by managing His spiritual house as a good steward which doesn’t take money; they serve their organization and manage their elder body/fake priesthood instead. It is from them, from a writing committee, that they “glean” their spiritual food to feed their hungry 8 million adherents. (Rom 1:25) 
    It is such a warped concept but very common in the world of religion, but foreign to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
    Then the disciples came up and asked him, “Why are you speaking to them in parables?”
    11 He answered, “Because the secrets of the kingdom of heaven have been given for you to know, but it has not been given to them. 12 For whoever has, more will be given to him, and he will have more than enough; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 That is why I speak to them in parables, because looking they do not see, and hearing they do not listen or understand. Matt 13:10-14
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Get your money back.   
    I wonder if the Wt ever intends on refunding donations used for the building of branch facilities, that are later sold.  I’m sure we are talking about millions of dollars needed to build them.  We know they were sold at a profit; so by all rights, JWs who donated, could at least get their initial investment returned to them.  
    I don’t see any difference in Osteen stealing money from his members and investing it wherever he chooses, than the Wt. coercing their members into donating everything from pennies to estates that translates into cash, and investing it in whatever they choose.   They are both worldly "organizations" under the guise of religion.  Although Watchtower does a better job of hiding the raw truth behind its existence.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Get your money back.   
    I wonder if the Wt ever intends on refunding donations used for the building of branch facilities, that are later sold.  I’m sure we are talking about millions of dollars needed to build them.  We know they were sold at a profit; so by all rights, JWs who donated, could at least get their initial investment returned to them.  
    I don’t see any difference in Osteen stealing money from his members and investing it wherever he chooses, than the Wt. coercing their members into donating everything from pennies to estates that translates into cash, and investing it in whatever they choose.   They are both worldly "organizations" under the guise of religion.  Although Watchtower does a better job of hiding the raw truth behind its existence.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Get your money back.   
    At least they offer a refund, unlike the Watchtower 🙂.
    ws17 July p. 5 - One way to prove ourselves faithful with our material things is by making donations to the worldwide preaching work that Jesus foretold would happen.
     Such examples show that God’s people are “faithful in what is least.” (Luke 16:10) They use their material things to benefit others. How do those friends of Jehovah feel about making such sacrifices? They are very happy knowing that when they are generous, they gain “true” riches in heaven.
    Yes, such riches will ultimately fail, so do not lose the opportunity to use them to “make friends” in heaven. Whatever we do to advance the interests of Jehovah’s Kingdom makes us spiritually rich.
    Miraculously, earthly money, investments and commodities transform into spiritual riches when given to  the Wt. This is their guarantee, if we take hold of the opportunity - no refunds available though. 
    But, is it really true that one can “make friends in heaven” by donating to the organization?  Does it prove we are faithful to God?
     w09 10/15 p. 16 - A second way that those of the other sheep class can help Christ’s brothers is by financially supporting the preaching work. Jesus encouraged his followers to make friends for themselves by means of “the unrighteous riches.” (Luke 16:9) Not that we can buy friendship with Jesus or Jehovah.
    Apparently it is not true!  It appears that if there is a desperate need for money, the Watchtower gives its readers a different slant.  This article is saying, we don’t necessarily need to give our material riches to the organization in order to have a “friendship”…I say a spiritual relationship, with the Father and the Son.  But 18 years after this last quote was written, obviously "new light" tells us that God will not make us spiritually rich unless we “make friends in heaven” through donations to the organization.   
    What riches, could be considered “unrighteous”? 
     Jesus called them over and said to them, “You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those in high positions act as tyrants over them. 43 But it is not so among you. On the contrary, whoever wants to become great among you will be your servant, 44 and whoever wants to be first among you will be a slave to all.”  Mark 10:42-44
    1 Cor 4:8 -  You are already full! You are already rich! You have begun to reign as kings without us -- and I wish you did reign, so that we could also reign with you!
    Prov 18:12 - "Before destruction a man's heart is haughty, but humility comes before honor."
    The “reign” of the GB over every JW, and the reign/rulership of the "Gentile" elder body especially over the anointed priesthood, is unrighteous.  Matt 24:48-51; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
    Wasteful Steward
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Get your money back.   
    I wonder if the Wt ever intends on refunding donations used for the building of branch facilities, that are later sold.  I’m sure we are talking about millions of dollars needed to build them.  We know they were sold at a profit; so by all rights, JWs who donated, could at least get their initial investment returned to them.  
    I don’t see any difference in Osteen stealing money from his members and investing it wherever he chooses, than the Wt. coercing their members into donating everything from pennies to estates that translates into cash, and investing it in whatever they choose.   They are both worldly "organizations" under the guise of religion.  Although Watchtower does a better job of hiding the raw truth behind its existence.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Get your money back.   
    At least they offer a refund, unlike the Watchtower 🙂.
    ws17 July p. 5 - One way to prove ourselves faithful with our material things is by making donations to the worldwide preaching work that Jesus foretold would happen.
     Such examples show that God’s people are “faithful in what is least.” (Luke 16:10) They use their material things to benefit others. How do those friends of Jehovah feel about making such sacrifices? They are very happy knowing that when they are generous, they gain “true” riches in heaven.
    Yes, such riches will ultimately fail, so do not lose the opportunity to use them to “make friends” in heaven. Whatever we do to advance the interests of Jehovah’s Kingdom makes us spiritually rich.
    Miraculously, earthly money, investments and commodities transform into spiritual riches when given to  the Wt. This is their guarantee, if we take hold of the opportunity - no refunds available though. 
    But, is it really true that one can “make friends in heaven” by donating to the organization?  Does it prove we are faithful to God?
     w09 10/15 p. 16 - A second way that those of the other sheep class can help Christ’s brothers is by financially supporting the preaching work. Jesus encouraged his followers to make friends for themselves by means of “the unrighteous riches.” (Luke 16:9) Not that we can buy friendship with Jesus or Jehovah.
    Apparently it is not true!  It appears that if there is a desperate need for money, the Watchtower gives its readers a different slant.  This article is saying, we don’t necessarily need to give our material riches to the organization in order to have a “friendship”…I say a spiritual relationship, with the Father and the Son.  But 18 years after this last quote was written, obviously "new light" tells us that God will not make us spiritually rich unless we “make friends in heaven” through donations to the organization.   
    What riches, could be considered “unrighteous”? 
     Jesus called them over and said to them, “You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those in high positions act as tyrants over them. 43 But it is not so among you. On the contrary, whoever wants to become great among you will be your servant, 44 and whoever wants to be first among you will be a slave to all.”  Mark 10:42-44
    1 Cor 4:8 -  You are already full! You are already rich! You have begun to reign as kings without us -- and I wish you did reign, so that we could also reign with you!
    Prov 18:12 - "Before destruction a man's heart is haughty, but humility comes before honor."
    The “reign” of the GB over every JW, and the reign/rulership of the "Gentile" elder body especially over the anointed priesthood, is unrighteous.  Matt 24:48-51; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
    Wasteful Steward
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    The topic (of the judiciary) is more complex than what I commented on and what you are commenting on. 
    Moral principles, God’s commandments, tribal customs, the influence of surrounding tribes and nations and their systems of “legislation” should also be considered.
    We have patriarchal, tribal, national and other factors that have contributed to the development of the legislature and the judiciary (prior to Exile time to Moses to Judges to Kings to Sanhedrin to Jesus Church etc).
    We have the power of one person to decide (the head of a family or tribe, nation, a patriarch or a king, for example) to a group of people at lower and higher levels of the judiciary (Lesser Sanhedrin and Great Sanhedrin, for example)."
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    As far as I can remember, the publications of WTJWorg, ie the authors of the articles, have confirmed literally that some things said in the literature are nothing but dogmatism. How is the state of dogma confirmed? By imposing a teaching, the construction of which is later changed or completely rejected. While the dogma is in force there are dire consequences for those who oppose it.
    WTJWorg is full of dogmatic approaches. Older members should be more aware of this than those who have only recently joined JWorg.
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in CSA COURT CASE INVOLVING BETHEL, GOVERNING BODY INDICTED   
    Someday, all of your conspiracy theories are going to get the best of you.  
    We're done.  I don't think I've ever met a man who creates illusions so well, and believes he knows everything about everyone.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in CSA COURT CASE INVOLVING BETHEL, GOVERNING BODY INDICTED   
    "An honest witness tells the truth
    but a false witness tells lies."  Prov 12:17
     
     



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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in CSA COURT CASE INVOLVING BETHEL, GOVERNING BODY INDICTED   
    Me?  You've got to be kidding me.  I don't even vote.  But, I do believe the Wt. has political connections, which is my right to believe.
    After reading over your initial post about this, it appears that you pulled up a red herring to detract from the grave seriousness of the post; is it because the GB is involved?  For a “truther” you made presumptuous accusations that were all false, groundless. Do you see how you took the actions of two individuals claiming to be JWs that quoted (?) from both the Wt. and my posts on reddit, (?) and accused me of supporting them?  Since when would a JW, unless they are waking up, support both Wt doctrine and my posts, that expose their lies?  
    I think you’ve got the picture now, and I don’t expect an apology, but what you’ve basically created is nonsense, and accused me of being connected to an abuser, condoning that person’s actions, as well as being active in politics. 
    You had said, "You should be blaming Pearl's followers because they are not mentally sound when they debated me."
    Too bad you didn’t get their names!  Perhaps among all the thousands of individuals who anonymously read her posts, we may have recognized one!  What nonsense.  She doesn't keep a record of the names of individuals as the Watchtower does.  
    You have done exactly what you always accuse others of doing, not getting the facts straight. I am sorry you had the run-in with those individuals, but there are bigger to fish to fry, which the summons I posted, reveals.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in CSA COURT CASE INVOLVING BETHEL, GOVERNING BODY INDICTED   
    Whether there is one or eight of them, they are all false prophets.  Each of them has told lies.
    (a lie is a doctrine that didn't come true, a prediction that failed, a teaching that never comes to fruition, a teaching that has twisted Christ's words to fit the doctrine of men... for those who struggle with distinguising a lie from truth)
    They have even contradicted each other with their teachings just lately.  Each one of their predecessors has told lies. That is the side you’ve chosen, the side of lies.  (Joel 3:14; Rev 16:13-16) They refuse to recognize the “Elijah” to come, avoiding Matt 17:11 like the plague. And since they no longer designate JWs as a “class” (Jonadab,Ezekiel…), they cannot claim to be the messenger of Mal 3:1. They teach that the meaning of the scrolls in Revelation are not to be revealed until Armageddon is finished; in other words, these demonically inspired men, would never be gifted with reading the scrolls.  (Isa 29:9-16)  This is why Elijah comes, given the understanding of Revelation, which is imperative for God’s holy priesthood to listen to. (Rev 10:11; 18:4-8 )This messenger reveals the identity of the man of lawlessness who tramples the Temple of God, and why it needs to be restored.  (Mal 4:5,6; Rev 11:1-3; 13:5-7,18;2 Thess 2:3,4)
    It is not unlike the Father to choose one person to deliver His message to His people, is it, and usually that prophet chosen and his message is rejected by the majority.   Do you believe that Wt’s sins are out of reach of even God?  Has He changed to the point where He will let your unrepentant leaders slide by and be with His Son in the Kingdom, while His own “house” made of “living stones” lies in ruins?  (Dan 8:10,13; 9:27; 11:31,36; Matt 24:15,16; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) What is the latest about God’s Temple priesthood?  Are they now ALLOWED to meet together and study the Bible?  Is there new light on that?  No. That “coalition” of anointed ones would be a threat to the eight men who rule over you, since their Head would certainly be Jesus Christ, and not the eight liars.  Recently, did you notice how S. Herd said that Christ is the head of your organization, in a tone that dropped several octaves, to the point where it was barely audible?  It seems pretty obvious that he doesn’t believe it himself. 
    I read this quote earlier today that applies to the eight:
    “We know they are lying, they also know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we also know they know we know, and yet they continue to lie”.  (Solzhenitsyn)
    False prophets don’t wear a label that says, “I am a false prophet”.  This is why Jesus said to test their teachings. He gave us instructions to do so, it’s up to each JW to put it into practice.  (Matt 7:15-20; John 15:1-8,16) And he specifically said that the "elect" would be deceived by them in the last days.  (Matt 24:24,25)   The eight know who Pearl is and what she teaches…about them. Interestingly, they have used phrases from her articles and teach them to you.  How dare they, right?  Why would they use the teachings of not only a woman, but of a "despicable apostate"?
    The question to ask is what God do you worship anyway? The exacting God who demands exclusive devotion? Sadly, I don’t think so, Tom.  (Mark 12:30) It appears to be the Watchtower organization which allows its leaders to do exactly what they want.  (Dan 11:38; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4)
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in CSA COURT CASE INVOLVING BETHEL, GOVERNING BODY INDICTED   
    Which of you whose servant comes in from plowing or shepherding in the field will say to him, ‘Come at once and sit down to eat’?  Instead, won’t he tell him, ‘Prepare my meal and dress yourself to serve me while I eat and drink; and afterward you may eat and drink’?  Does he thank the servant because he did what he was told?  So you also, when you have done everything commanded of you, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’ ”  Luke 17:7-10
    Does the GB believe they are “unworthy servants” of Christ?  No. Not at all!  Before Christ has made the call, they have announced that they will be reigning with him in the Kingdom. (Matt 25:21)  Eight arrogant men have decided that they are worthy to receive eternal life.  Are they “following” in the footsteps of Christ, or are they creating their own “way” to heaven?
    Then Jesus called the crowd and his disciples to him. “If any of you want to come with me,” he told them, “you must forget yourself, carry your cross, and follow me.”  Mark 8:34  GNT
    The uninspired GB members who decided to name themselves the "faithful and discreet slave",  do not allow anyone to forget them, especially themselves.  
    But we are acting against Jehovah’s purpose if we do not obey the faithful and discreet slave or if we choose to obey only what we think is important.  w 11 7/15
    Do you ever contradict what the GB tells you?  Do you ever question their direction?  And if so, do you consider it as "acting against Jehovah's purpose"?  I think every here has questioned their direction, which means that every JW here, is "acting against Jehovah's purpose".
    Does anyone here, believe that?  Yes, they are self-assuming, arrogant men who have laid out their salvation before being judged by Jesus Christ.
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in CSA COURT CASE INVOLVING BETHEL, GOVERNING BODY INDICTED   
    I am not Christ Disciple, nor am I Christdisciple on reddit.  I am "christsdisciple".  You don't seem to get it.  And I post links to Pearl's website there, just as I do here.  And I'm not the only one.
    I was coined even though they could not say my name correctly?  
    You are man who expects details, evidence, on everything.  So give me the details.  Find out the name of the woman and find out the real name of DoC - Christ Disciple.  If they addressed Pearl's information, tell me why the interest.  Who are the false JWs?  If you believe that I have labeled myself as DoC, show me proof.  
    Verify your accusations.  That's what you would expect from anyone else.  
    You can find my real name here:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/restorationofjacob
    Ok, this throws a totally different light on what you've been saying.  It's as if you are backtracking now, which is fine, and I realize as well as Pearl does, that there are many individuals who are not authentic.  They come and go, they cause trouble, they slander, and then leave.  They seem sincere at first, but turn out to be the "insincere" ones.  I can't tell from what you are saying whether the individuals that you ran into were giving false information about Pearl or not.  But, it wouldn't be the first time.
    Allen, for the second, possibly the third time, there are no donations collected at https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
    Yes, if you go back to early blogs, around 2010-12, she was still considered a JW.  This is just a guess, but I think she was disfellowshipped in 2012, around the time of the Memorial.  
    The people are a group who may post another's blog or website, but my website does not have members.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in CSA COURT CASE INVOLVING BETHEL, GOVERNING BODY INDICTED   
    I am "christsdisciple" not DoC whoever that is.  WE ARE NOT THE SAME.  As "christsdisciple" on reddit, I have nothing to hide.  I am not involved in any accusations that you have made.  I am 66 years old, a housewife who took care of her terminally ill husband 24 hours a day, who eventually passed away.  Whatever you think I have been involved in with the government or other accusations you have up your sleeve, are false.
    Who did, and who are YOU on reddit?
    What's wrong with being a reddit user?  No one asked me here before if I am a reddit user.  I would have gladly told them that I am.
    You ask a lot of questions.  I don't have answer if I don't care to. You are not someone that I need to obey.  I presented the information in two formats for anyone to choose.  This is a sensitive topic for those who have suffered abuse, and I am one of them.
    No.  Access to the court case has been available.  Read it if you care to. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in CSA COURT CASE INVOLVING BETHEL, GOVERNING BODY INDICTED   
    WHAT IS DoC?  Is that an individual you are saying is me?  I'm sorry, but again you are telling a self-assuming lie.  
    Savvy? I just looked up the updated membership of exjw reddit - 71,000.  If you don’t believe that among that many individuals, that there are no valid concerns regarding the organization for me to share, then you are truly a pompous, self-righteous man.
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in CSA COURT CASE INVOLVING BETHEL, GOVERNING BODY INDICTED   
    Someday, all of your conspiracy theories are going to get the best of you.  
    We're done.  I don't think I've ever met a man who creates illusions so well, and believes he knows everything about everyone.  
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Governing body will sue anyone?   
    Proof is in the background, because what good is it if someone’s eyes are blinded?
    Judging by the words of Genesis, you are right. Man did not need to gain knowledge of that kind. But that doesn't mean that man has enough of it today.
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Governing body will sue anyone?   
    Of course, the share of the individual is important. The bottom line is that JW members and their leaders often allow demons to seduce them with the so-called “new light” attributed to HS, but it actually comes from the opposite side.
    With free will that came from God because it was his choice of his free will. Since God has kept for himself all wisdom and power, man's action can in no way call into question God's position.
    But revolt against the so-called "human representatives" of God certainly calls their position into question. Leading people of WT and other related companies of the BS / JW organization have proven in each of their mandates that they believed in "false teachings". Do you want believers to respect such a position of "God's representatives"?
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    Jesus, is the tree of life.  If Satan had his "eyes" on it, it was to bring about his enemy's destruction. (Gen 3:15) The anointed, are also referred to as "trees".  (Matt 7:17,20; John 6:57,58,63;17:2;6:44,45; Rev 2:7; Ps 1:3; Rev 22:2,14)  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+7%3A17%2C20%3B+John+6%3A57%2C58%2C63%3B17%3A2%3B6%3A44%2C45%3B+Rev+2%3A7%3B+Ps+1%3A3%3B+Rev+22%3A2%2C14&version=NIV
    The choice was given to Adam and Eve which "tree" to eat from, with the consequences for choosing the lies of Satan, instead of the "tree" of truth in the Word of God.  John 1:1  We also have that choice.  2 Thess 2:9,10
    Two Trees - Past and Present
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