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    Shiwiii reacted to Kosonen in More emphasis on good news about Jesus Christ   
    Very simply put, for Jehovah's witnesses 'good news' is about the everlasting life on earth in a coming paradise. That is the first thing Jehovah's witnesses tell people while preaching. And then secondly that Jesus will rule the earth under 1000 years. That is also what Jehovah's witnesses usually think of very much and they wait eagerly for Armageddon and wish that this would come as soon as possible. I know that, I used to think like that, just waiting for those blessings to come. 
    But I had for a long time not fully understood nor appreciated what the 'good news', the gospel is about. Based on one scripture Matthew 24:14 it seemed to be only about God's kingdom, a new government for the earth from God. That is the impression you easily get if you only read Matthew 24:14. 
    But to really understand what is God's kingdom we have to almost equate that with Jesus. That is evident from for example the following scriptures:
    Jesus said referring to himself in Luke 17:21 For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.”
    Mark 9:1 Furthermore, he said to them: “Truly I say to you that there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Kingdom of God already having come in power.”+ 2  Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and John along and led them up into a lofty mountain by themselves. And he was transfigured before them;
    And apostle Paul declared the Good news about God's kingdom like this on one occasion
    Acts 17:30,31.”True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent.  Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”
    And the following scriptures give more evidence about the fact that the 'good news' that would be preached to the most distant part of the earth would be very much about Jesus personally, that he died as a sacrifice for people's sins and that people could now be forgiven their sins and get the gift of eternal life from God and that Jesus was resurrected and would come back to judge the wicked and be king over the whole earth. 
    So here is a compilation of scriptures that tell how much the preaching message was about Jesus.
    Acts 1:8 "But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part* of the earth.”
    Mark 1:1 The beginning of the good news about Jesus Christ, the Son of God:
    2 Cor 1;19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you through us
    2 Thess 1:8 the good news about our Lord Jesus.
    1 Thess 3:2 and we sent Timothy, our brother and God’s minister* in the good news about the Christ
    Eph 3:8  so that I should declare to the nations the good news about the unfathomable riches of the Christ
    Col 4:3 3  At the same time, pray also for us, that God may open a door for the word so that we can declare the sacred secret about the Christ, for which I am in prison bonds,
    1 Cor 1:23 but we preach Christ executed on the stake, to the Jews a cause for stumbling but to the nations foolishness.
    1 Tim 2:5  For there is one God,  and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6  who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all*—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time. 7  For the purpose of this witness I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—a teacher of nations in the matter of faith and truth.
    Phil 1:15,16  True, some are preaching the Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16  The latter are proclaiming the Christ out of love, for they know that I have been appointed to defend the good news;
    2 Cor 4:4,5  the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God,...For we are preaching, not about ourselves, but about Jesus Christ as Lord 
    2 Cor 5:18,19 But all things are from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of the reconciliation, 19  namely, that God was by means of Christ reconciling a world to himself, not counting their offenses against them, and he entrusted to us the message of the reconciliation.
    2 Cor 10:14 Really, we are not overextending ourselves as if we did not reach you, for we were the first to reach as far as you with the good news about the Christ.
    1 Cor 9:12 but we are enduring all things so that we might not in any way hinder the good news about the Christ
    Rom 1:1 Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus and called to be an apostle, set apart for God’s good news, 2  which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3 concerning his Son…9 For God, to whom I render sacred service with my spirit in connection with the good news about his Son,
    Rom 15:19 I have thoroughly preached the good news about the Christ.
    Rom 16:25  Now to Him who can make you firm according to the good news I declare and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the sacred secret that has been kept in silence for long-lasting times 26  but has now been made manifest* and has been made known through the prophetic Scriptures among all the nations according to the command of the everlasting God to promote obedience by faith; 
    Acts 5:42 And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.
    Acts 11:20 and began talking to the Greek-speaking people, declaring the good news of the Lord Jesus.
    Revelation 19:10 ….. I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning Jesus. Worship God! For the witness concerning Jesus is what inspires prophecy.”
    Revelation 12:17 ...who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus.
    Revelation 20:4 Yes, I saw the souls* of those executed* for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God,


     
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    Shiwiii reacted to Jack Ryan in Spiritually Dead Children   
    Yes. If you consider your family member to be “dead” based on the whim of 3 flawed men who have about as much divine guidance as a bag of bricks...
    Citrus Heights, California congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Is Yoga acceptable for Christians?   
    yes, men created yoga and the automobile. 
     
     
    Apparently?  how is this demonstrated? 
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Is Yoga acceptable for Christians?   
    yes, men created yoga and the automobile. 
     
     
    Apparently?  how is this demonstrated? 
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Is Yoga acceptable for Christians?   
    Give me a break   bending your body to its capacity and getting a work out, however that may entail is what our bodies were designed for.  If people are looking for a direction from men, then they will get it, and be controlled.  Relax,  take it for exercise and enjoy it. If your mind is taking you outside of God, then yeah, that's not cool.  But if you are doing something that you enjoy for a workout,  what scripture disallows this? 
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Is Yoga acceptable for Christians?   
    You are not looking at the whole scripture,  it is talking about making idols,  that is why the word craftsman is used. If it were just throwing decoration on then you wouldn't need a craftsman. Continue with verse 4 into verse 5, it tells plainly that it is a wooden statue. You are taking a part of a verse to make a law, in a sense. Take the chapter as a whole
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Is Yoga acceptable for Christians?   
    Give me a break   bending your body to its capacity and getting a work out, however that may entail is what our bodies were designed for.  If people are looking for a direction from men, then they will get it, and be controlled.  Relax,  take it for exercise and enjoy it. If your mind is taking you outside of God, then yeah, that's not cool.  But if you are doing something that you enjoy for a workout,  what scripture disallows this? 
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in THE REIGNING 144,000   
    not only this but Divine Habitation is where the great crowd is according to Revelation 7:15. "in His temple" 
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from Witness in THE REIGNING 144,000   
    not only this but Divine Habitation is where the great crowd is according to Revelation 7:15. "in His temple" 
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in THE REIGNING 144,000   
    So did you look up what it says in the Kingdom Interlinear of the Greek Scriptures about the word sanctuary? 
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in "WITNESSING" AT THE CART   
    I have explained the assumed role of the elders over and over on this forum..  They are a counterfeit priesthood, the “man of lawlessness”; which I mentioned in my opening post. 
    Is it too hard to acknowledge Jesus as our judge?
    "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son. And he gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.”  John 5:22,27
    And Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind."  John 9:39
     
    Every “slave” since Christ must be a good steward of God’s Word.  They must support completely Christ’s truth.  Each one of them…no matter if they are male or female.  To do so as anointed ones, they must speak it, whether male or female.  1 Pet 2:5,9; Heb 13:15
    Let a man so consider us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2 Moreover it is required in stewards that one be found faithful. 1 Cor 4:1,2
    This does not say to be faithful to other “slaves” who preach their own doctrine.  (Should I list the GB’s temporarily sealed and stamped doctrines that have changed regularly?)  A slave of Christ's first and foremost commitment and loyalty is to Christ and his truth!   He is their one and only head, not other slaves who divert from his word. 
    To say there were no “faithful and discreet slaves”, or a slave of his or her time period, that was a faithful steward gathering spiritual provisions from all slaves of God’s House at the time… before the organization existed, has no scriptural basis.  None.  (Matt 25:14-20)   You are listening to the doctrine of men. 1 Pet 2:1
     What Christ did warn of, is a wicked slave, and that wicked one would arise during the last days and “beat” his fellow slaves because they refuse his false doctrine!    That wicked one would expect full devotion to his teachings alone, whether they were in line with Christ’s words or not. If the GB supported Christ, they would admonish their fellow “slaves” to do the same. They would hear their brothers out and consider not the opinion of “Gentile” helper’s  but those of “Israel” under the anointed Body of Christ.  Instead, the GB spiritually “kill” any of “Israel” who turn to Christ.  Rev 13:11,15 This is wickedness, and wickedness is sourced in Satan’s powerful spirit.
     Normally, a JW would reject an institution based on falsehoods in other aspects of life.  So why would they accept failed and recorded falsehoods from an organization inspired by men, who make the bogus claim that it is God’s organization?
    “The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”  2 Thess 2:9-12
    "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. 1 Tim 3:1-9
    Just as the Egyptian sorcerers, Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, the GB resist Christ, teaching what they choose, and when.  If it fails, they blame Christ.  Jannes and Jambres were thought to contribute to the idea of the golden calf to “lead” the people away from YHVH and into idolatry.  The majority of JWs will not worship God without the organization, as they believe it is the only way to salvation. 
    14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.”  Rev 22:14,15
     
     
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to Srecko Sostar in "WITNESSING" AT THE CART   
    Bible speaks about stones who witnessing and children who gives a praise. What is strange if some women doing what some men don't? 
    You doing the same here. Would we ( who are males) have to reject and make funny of your thoughts and words just because you are woman?
    WT publications said that same idea. And your explanation is based on that. .... But articles explained how NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE who are and who are not anointed. Based on this clam from WT and such information, it is good to be careful about GB too. :))
    What is work of anointed and what is work of slave? What is difference? What their service to God and to people making to be different in the past and today (1st century ...... 2000 years later)?
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in 2 Types of Worshippers on the Earth   
    You must think I believe in the trinity.  I don't.  John 14:28; 5:19
    Yes, God is greater than any other being.  Jesus was His firstborn creation, the Son of God, and it was through Jesus that God brought forth creation. 
     Prov 8:22:31
    “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.”  Col 1:15-17
    As the Logos, (John 1:1) he worked as one with God throughout time, and with the nation of Israel.  As an example:
    "Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. "1 Cor 10:1-4
    Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
    57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
    58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”  John 8:54-58
    How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God? (John 5:41-44)
    Do you see that God has bestowed honor on His Son?  What about glory?
    And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.  John 17:5
    And you believe God does not want us to give relative worship to His Son?  Are there any examples where Jesus told those who did worship him when on earth, to stop doing so? 
    The GB, who have admitted that they do not receive inspiration from the Holy Spirit, have assumed that they can change scripture to reflect partiality to whom is to be worshiped -  scripture that is inspired by God.   This effort comes from the minds of men to push a doctrine.  They will be responsible for concocting the doctrine that Christ is not to receive any worship. 
    Jesus is a God.  He is the Son of God.
    For unto us a Child is born,
    Unto us a Son is given;
    And the government will be upon His shoulder.
    And His name will be called
    Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.  Isa 9:6
    God is looking for those who do not view any physical mountain as a place to worship – no “mountainlike organization”. That includes the earthly Watchtower and its images, built in the world influenced by Satan.   John 4:21-24   Zion is spiritual only, built with anointed “living stones”, the Spirit of God, and Christ as the chief cornerstone. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22
    When you read Rev 5:11-14, please notice that only in this one case involving Christ, does the NWT leave the word, proskyneō, as “worship”, since God on His throne is also mentioned. When reading these scriptures, do you accept it as worship given to both God and the Lamb, or do you ignore Christ and only acknowledge worship is given to God here?  If so, you are practicing hypocrisy.  
    Christ and the Father are our salvation, not an organization that suffers from the same corruption that exists in other organizations in the world.  To believe so, is idolatry. 
    Watchtower 1990 11/1 p. 26 Our Relative Subjection to the Superior Authorities
    "As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization." 
    That is a true statement that blows a hole in the validity of your organization.  But, damage control kicked in the same month.  A lie was generated, spoken from the other side of your leaders’ mouth:
    Kingdom Ministry 11/1990 p. 1  Directing Bible Students to Jehovah’s Organization 
    "Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock” Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation.”
    The faithful anointed are ambassadors for Christ. 2 Cor 5:20 They are God’s “witnesses” in truth – the truth they receive from Christ by Holy Spirit. Matt 7:7; Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9,10 They become “one” with Christ in his Body. 1 Cor 12:12; 10:17  Just as Paul spoke with Christ once he was in heaven, so do they. 2 Cor 12:8,9  Christ is there for all of us, to approach in prayer.  It is through Christ, that we come to know the Father.
    You said, "We come to Christ through imitation of him, not by prayer to him."
    You would not apply that theory when it comes to God, would you.
    Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.  John 14:6
     
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in 2 Types of Worshippers on the Earth   
    Jesus said, “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest..  Matt  11:28
    How can that be done if one is not allowed to pray to Christ? The early temple was a place of worship.  If Jesus is the “chief cornerstone” of heavenly Zion/Holy City, Temple, he also deserves our relative worship.
    I did not see a (literal) temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.  Rev 21:22,23
     Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits[a] of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. 8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
    “You are worthy to take the scroll
        and to open its seals,
    because you were slain,
        and with your blood you purchased for God
        persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
    10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
        and they will reign[b] on the earth.”
    11 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12 In a loud voice they were saying:
    “Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
        to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
        and honor and glory and praise!”
    13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
    “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
        be praise and honor and glory and power,
    for ever and ever!”
    14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.  Rev 5:6-14
    They “fell down and worshiped” both the Father and Jesus Christ. 
    Heb 1: 6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.” 
    Men, who make up doctrine and change scripture by placing the word “obeisance” for any instances of worship given to Christ when on earth, have little regard for Jesus.  The same Greek word for “worship” is translated as “worship”, only when speaking of God, and ironically, Satan. 
    Yes, the Wt uses the account of Luke 4:8, where Jesus said to Satan, “Worship the Lord your God and serve him only”.   Shouldn’t Satan have been doing that instead of demanding worship be given to himself? 
    Open your eyes.  Your leaders may speak of Jesus, but they preach "another Jesus" than that of the early apostles.  2 Cor 11:34
     “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.  Matt 23:13
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    Shiwiii reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in 2 Types of Worshippers on the Earth   
    Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men.
    This is true and any one with a sensible thinking mind and a spiritual thinking heart will know what lies and misuse of scripture the GB / JW Org and Bible Students / Watchtower society et al, have used to misguide people over the many years. 
    And anyone that investigates the JW Org to find out its 'rules' will see that the GB / JW Org live by and enforce rules made by men, not by God. 
    The scripture you quoted 
    John 4:23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” 
    If only the GB and its Org would live by that scripture, then it would all be so different to what it is now.  Even the GB's lawyers tell lies in court. Elders tell lies to cover up sins of elders and others.  And it seems that the GB give permission for all this. They call it 'spiritual warfare'. 
    This bit is so funny too :-
    Quote : "The Catholic Church withheld the Bible and the precious truth Jesus leads people to "
    OK, JWs are allowed to have Bibles and are encouraged to read them, BUT, JWs are then told to believe only the things that the GB teach. So you can read you Bible but don't you dare to form your own conclusions about any scriptures. For if your idea conflicts with GB teachings you are in big trouble, well if you just happen to mention it to anyone else that is. 
    And this :- 
    Quote "The clergy elevate themselves over the common parishioners as the Jewish priesthood did, "
    Well well, the GB elevate themselves above the Anointed as well as the earthly class. 
    Please remember there was a time when ALL ANOINTED HERE ON EARTH WERE CLASSED AS THE 'FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE CLASS'. 
    BUT now the GB say ONLY THEY, THOSE 8 MEN, are the F&DS. Now that is definitely exalting themselves..  And we know what the scripture says about those that exalt themselves don't we ? 
    Another quote :-
    Exodus 20: You must not have any other gods besides me. 4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.
    Watchtower says " Only baptised Jehovah's Witnesses will be saved".  Giving salvation to an Organisation is false worship, idol worship in fact. 
     
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in Jehovah's Witnesses' "Hailstone Message"   
    Arauna I refrain discussing anything with you, I feel you don't know how to talk to people in a respectful manner., You are always dimmining other person's points of view.
     
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in THE REIGNING 144,000   
    Yes, we are expected to offer prayers to God, but 1 Chron 23:13,14 has to do with sacrifices offered on behalf of the people, by the priests.  The early priesthood is from the tribe of Levi.  From that tribe, Aaron’s descendants were chosen by God to serve as priests in the temple… 
    “The sons of Amram; Aaron and Moses: and Aaron was separated, that he should sanctify the most holy things, he and his sons for ever (“everlasting”), to burn incense before (“in the presence of”) the LORD, to minister unto him, and to bless in his name for ever.” 1 Chron 23:13,14
    However, the Levites other than the priests, were also given specific tasks pertaining to the temple and support for the priesthood  – 1 Chron 23:28-32
    What happened when Korah a Levite, said to Moses and Aaron…
     “You take too much upon yourselves!  All of the community is holy, every one of them, and Yahweh is in their midst, so why do you raise yourselves over the assembly of Yahweh?”
     When Moses heard this, he fell on his face. 5 And he said to Korah and to his entire company, saying, “Tomorrow morning Yahweh will make known who is his and who is holy, and he will bring him near to him, whomever he chooses he will bring near to him. 6 Do this: take for yourselves censers, Korah and all of your company;[f] 7 tomorrow put fire in them and place incense on them beforeYahweh; the man whom Yahweh chooses will be the holy one. You take too much upon yourselves, sons of Levi!”  Numbers chapter 16
    For their assumption that anyone could serve God in His temple as a priest, Korah and his men lost their lives. 
    Therefore are they before (“in the presence of”)  the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. Rev 7:15
    It takes place in God's Temple.  The scriptures explain this holy priesthood IS the Temple, that they are “living stones” of God’s Temple, “pillars” of this Temple, the dwelling of God’s Spirit…AND…the Bride of Christ that “comes down from heaven” to be among mankind. 
    1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:19-22; Rev 3:12; 21:2
    I've never called them a "bunch of old men" - false messiahs, false prophets, yes.  Matt 24:24; Rev 13:11
    That's very true.  In the last days, there is an organization (Beast from the Sea), "false prophet" (Beast from the Earth) and the "dragon" who deceive  the "kings of the earth" (Jesus' "kings", Rev 1:5) with demonic expressions.  Rev 13:1,2,11; 16:13,14; Matt 24:15   
    The GB have most conveniently misled the anointed about their duties as priests.  They have convinced them that the elders must "represent them" as priests, fully ignoring the lesson of Korah.
     
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in THE REIGNING 144,000   
    Jesus is not only called the Son of God, but the Son of Man. 
    Then they all said, “Are You then the Son of God?” So He said to them, “You rightly say that I am.”  John 22:70
    In heaven, he is referred to as the Son of Man:
     “Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.”  Rev 14:14
    If the Son of Man is Jesus in his fleshly body when on earth, ( John 1:14) why isn’t he called the Son of God only, when in heaven?
    He is the first of the new creation, with both human and spiritual qualities.  1 Cor 15:49
    God has other “sons” in the image of Christ.
    “Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.”  1 John 3:1,2
     
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in THE REIGNING 144,000   
    Why cant the regular RnF do that for themselves?  is it perhaps because some wouldn't tell anyone? 
     
    commendable. 
     
    As I have said before, I've seen it FIRST HAND. So maybe not in your experience because they already got you to conform, but that doesn't make it so for others. 
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in THE REIGNING 144,000   
    Rev 7:17 for the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd, and will guide them to springs of the [d]water of life; and God will wipe every tear from their eyes.”
     
    Nope
    Matt 18: 20 For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”
     
    Why the insistence on no beards? Not reporting CSA? The constant hounding for money? Judicial committees for reading unapproved material? Not getting enough hours? Not showing up to EVERY meeting? Suits and ties? No celebration of birthdays? Making sure you don't send your kids to college? The hospital liaison group, I mean if this isn't a watchdog I don't know what is! Constantly they are there to make sure you don't take blood. If it is free will, why are they there? 
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    Shiwiii got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in “Dad I’m not in any rush. Jesus was 29 when he got baptized”   
    Wwwhhhaaaaaatttt? So CSA is not a purpose for justice? 
    as they should since they are the ones making the rules! 
    do you not remember how the catholic priests were molesting kids and how it flooded the news in recent years? 
    we're talking about CSA right? So who are the jws to judge? nobody! So they should leave that up to the authorities to figure it out. The authorities won't be able to figure it out unless it gets reported, which ANY moral person would do. 
    should have already happened and turned that money over to the victims! 
    is sitting behind a trolley still called preaching? 
    oh I recognize what jws have done.......NOTHING but cover it up as proven by the Australian Royal Commission as well as the San Diego Superior courts. 
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in THE REIGNING 144,000   
    Isa 66:1,2:  This is what the Lord says:
    “Heaven is my throne,
        and the earth is my footstool.
    Where is the house you will build for me?
        Where will my resting place be?
    Has not my hand made all these things,
        and so they came into being?”
    declares the Lord.
    “These are the ones I look on with favor:
        those who are humble and contrite in spirit,
        and who tremble at my word.”
     
    Ps 132:7-9,13,14:  “Let us go to His dwelling place,
        let us worship at his footstool, saying,
    8 ‘Arise, Lord, and come to your resting place,
        you and the ark of your might.
    9 May your priests be clothed with your righteousness;
        may your faithful people sing for joy.’”
    For the Lord has chosen Zion,
        he has desired it for His dwelling, saying,
    14 “This is my resting place for ever and ever;
        here I will sit enthroned, for I have desired it.
     
    Ps 15 - Lord, who may dwell in your sacred tent?
        Who may live on your holy mountain?
    2 The one whose walk is blameless,
        who does what is righteous,
        who speaks the truth from their heart;
    3 whose tongue utters no slander,
        who does no wrong to a neighbor,
        and casts no slur on others;
    4 who despises a vile person
        but honors those who fear the Lord;
    who keeps an oath even when it hurts,
        and does not change their mind;
    5 who lends money to the poor without interest;
        who does not accept a bribe against the innocent.
    Whoever does these things
        will never be shaken..
    God’s dwelling/”earth” (inhabited home)/footstool/priesthood/144,000/Bride..is Zion. 
    “The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
        all who despise you will bow down at your feet
    and will call you the City of the Lord,
        Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
    15 “Although you have been forsaken and hated,
        with no one traveling through,
    I will make you the everlasting pride
        and the joy of all generations. 
    “The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
        the juniper, the fir and the cypress together,
    to adorn my sanctuary;
        and I will glorify the place for my feet.”  Isa 60:14,15,13
     
     “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.”  Acts 17:24
    “Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s sanctuary and that the Spirit of God lives in you? If anyone destroys God’s sanctuary, God will destroy him; for God’s sanctuary is holy, and that is what you are.”  1 Cor 3:16,17
    "Then I looked, and there on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with Him were 144,000 who had His name and His Father’s name written on their foreheads."  Rev 14:1
     
     
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to Srecko Sostar in THE REIGNING 144,000   
    Wait a moment. Jesus gave specific name for holy spirit - Helper, with specific Task.  But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.  -John 14, NWT
    Is this "coincidence or for purpose" that GB have human Helper/s and not spiritual Helper??
    Is this "coincidence or for purpose" that GB used this specific Bible wording, and gave this "title" to this people who are not "anointed" ??
    Is this what Jesus meant, how Father will give human helpers who working in various Committees of WT Corporation??
    :)))
    9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. - Rev 7
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
    2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
    3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, - Rev 14
    I am pretty stupid sometimes, but after reading Revelation i have to notice how BOTH GROUP are BEFORE THRONE.
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in THE REIGNING 144,000   
    "But you and your sons will carry out your priestly responsibilities for everything concerning the altar and for what is inside the curtain, and you will do that work. I am giving you the work of the priesthood as a gift,* but an unauthorized person who comes near the sanctuary will be put to death."  Num 18:7
     
    Pearl Doxsey, Who "renders sacred service, day and night" in God's Temple?   
    4womaninthewilderness blogspot
     
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    Shiwiii reacted to Witness in THE REIGNING 144,000   
    “After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
     Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
    14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know.”
    So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them.”  Rev 7:9,10,13-15
    The “great crowd” are the anointed remnant/priesthood that are found faithful after Armageddon.  Only God’s designated priests were allowed to serve in God’s temple on earth.  It is the same in heaven.  They are God’s “dwelling”/ “living stones” of the Temple.  1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17
    A false christ/ false prophet is not sent by God, but by Satan to mislead the “elect”. Matt 24:24; Rev 13:11,12 Jesus sends those whom HE chooses. John 13:20   He gave us warning of the possible “wicked slave” who would spiritually “eat and drink with drunkards”. (elders, helpers “drunk” on the combined teachings of the GB and their own)  Matt 24:48-51  A faithful slave would not condemn ("beat") his fellow slaves for questioning his faulty/changed teachings.  He would not judge them as spiritually “dead” as the GB direct the elders to carry out, and have done, over and over for years.  He would welcome all offers of spiritual provisions from his fellow slaves.  Simply because the GB are lording it over their “brothers” in Christ, doesn’t mean there isn’t a “faithful slave” whom Jesus has chosen to care for his belongings.  Matt 17:11; John 13:20; Rev 11:1-3   The difference between the GB and a faithful slave sent by Christ, is that one leads the listener to Christ – not to an organization, and not to themselves.  
    All you see is what the WT offers you.  As long as you stay put in that environment you will not know how those who have left the organization worship, or that they may have found an authentic “faithful slave” with truth to offer. 
    Are JWs worshiping God whole-souled, or has their dedication to a “worldwide organization” led them away from true worship?  Those who “worship” the Beast/organization that is guided by a false prophet (Rev 13:11) say, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to make war with him?”  This is the same Beast that overcomes the anointed through blasphemy targeted against them.  Rev 13:4-7
    Can truth/light reside with falsehood/darkness? 2 Cor 6:14 Would Jesus, who is Truth, allow his servants to spread falsehoods worldwide, especially when he promised the Helper would tell them “all things”?  John 14:2 You do realize that every piece of wrongful teaching from the GB reached all corners available at the time of its distribution?  Millions of people read them, JWs and those not JWs.  Doesn’t the fact that the organization exposed their list of falsehoods/”beliefs clarified" prove beyond a doubt that Jesus’ Spirit is not found in the hearts of your leaders?   It truly is slander against the Son of God to believe he condones falsehoods. 
    Telling truth does not equate to hate!  Did Jesus hate the Pharisees when he told them truth?  You speak of hate frequently; perhaps it is you who hate those who challenge your organization and leaders?
    The thousand year reign of Christ began in the first century. Ps 110:1,2; 1 Cor 15:25 The organization’s appearance on the worldly scene comes with it, the development and eventual presence of the “man of lawlessness”/Beast of Rev 13:1,2,18; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Matt 24:15,16.   Rev 18:4-8
    “when”…you are as confident of their destiny as they are, so much so that their address is "1 Kings Drive".  What did Paul say about such individuals?  
    "Oh, you are already filled! You have already become rich! You have begun to reign without us! If only that were really true, so that we could reign with you!" 1 Cor 4:8
     
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