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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in A JW ASKS, “WHAT WOULD I DO WITHOUT JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION?"   
    Tom, how do you feel about 1914?  Do you realize your message is intertwined around that date?  Are you spreading the truth about God Kingdom to come, or a lie?   You believe the "day of the Lord" began in 1914, or do you?  The organization's leaders keep teaching it...as truth.  However, we know many of the higher-ups wanted to drop it over the years.   Yet, it's still there, dangling as a weak backbone, struggling to support your message.
    Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,  not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.  Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.  He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. 2 Thess 2:3-4
    Your elders have set themselves up in God's Temple, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17), as a priesthood, proclaiming to be chosen by God's Holy Spirit.  THEY and the GB,  are responsible for the message you preach concerning  the prophesy of the "day of the Lord" as come in 1914.  Do you see that the organization fulfills this scripture?  
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in A JW ASKS, “WHAT WOULD I DO WITHOUT JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION?"   
    They are not short, but shorter than the above post.  Maybe that fits the requirement.
    The WT leaders have been cunning in revealing bits of truth over the years, but washing it clean away, with fresh lies.  I am referring to Habakkuk, his prophesy and the article I read, which I pointed out that the article doesn’t mention its fulfillment now.    In fact, all the prophets spoke of the Christ, and of the end times.  And what the prophets proclaimed to God’s people during their time period, rings true today. They are in harmony with Jesus’ words that are directed to the “elect” – the anointed ones.  Matt 24:24   God’s people haven’t escaped sin, but are wallowing in it.  It is naïve to think that an earthly organization that runs on Satanic fuel, (any and all resources available in this world) would bring protection to a people; when no other earthly organization in this world can do so. It is a concoction from the minds of men, beginning in the 1940’s.    Relying on it as a protection and way to salvation, is relying on an idol. It is what the fingers of men have made.  Isa 2:8  The apostles didn’t rely on an organization; no anointed one up until the early 1900's relied on an organization to preach and worship as Christ said it was to occur, in John 4:21-24.   Several times in the past God’s people claimed to worship Him, yet they also worshiped their idols, as do JWs today – “Jehovah and his organization”. However, many are aware of its problems.  Believing that God will fix what is broken is a misconception, but many JWs wholeheartedly are convinced of this, by their leaders.  Hos 8:1-6  God didn’t fix what was broken in the past, but removed His Holy Spirit, allowing them to suffer for their actions. Before doing so, He sent His prophets to warn them of what was to come upon them. He offered them His protection. Those that may have suffered but returned to the Father, He restored.  Always, it was the few who did so. 
     
    There is one last prophetic message to God’s people before the Kingdom arrives.  That is, to leave idolatry and the ignorance of God’s laws behind. It is, the awareness of the oppression and transgression of His people (the Temple of God, 1 Cor 3:16,17)  under a “Gentile” rule, the elder body.  2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3  The book of Revelation brings prophesies from all the books of the Bible together as a finished puzzle, revealing this last surge of deception on the “woman” New Covenant members, and their falling into sin because of it. Rev 12:15 This time, its appearance is not one easily detected, as perhaps one would look at a religion with obvious idols, and who do not follow the laws of God.  This time, it appears as “truth”, and the accomplishment of a great preaching work. 2 Thess 2:9-12   Yet, the violence (Hab 1:2-4)  and obvious betrayal of God’s decrees that otherwise might be apparent in the past, are now cloaked under falsehoods spoken with a smooth tongue. Prov 5:3   It is a captivity that Revelations speaks of, (Rev 13:10; Col 2:8) and a “conquering” of the anointed ones under a powerful rule that is directed by a false prophet – a “Hartlot”.   The organization deflects the meaning of Revelation to “Christendom” when it is pasted all over within it, evidence that God’s people are under a spiritual captivity to a Beast and a false prophet.  Rev 13:1,11; 20:7-9
    God is warning His people, His potential “kings and priests of the earth”, (1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 1:5; 5:9,10) and all of those with them, to “come out”.  Rev 18:4-8  His chosen people are not in Christendom, but are the “saints” gathered in the organization, where speaking against falsehoods causes them and their companions to be disfellowshipped, thrown out of the congregation and considered, dead.   John 16:2; Rev 13:5-7,15   It is prophesy being fulfilled.  That really is the bottom line.  1 Cor 10:12-14  The organization is not a lifeline to salvation, but a created idol.  God and Jesus Christ are, and always have been, our source of salvation.  Acts 4:12
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Space Merchant in THE TRINITY   
    And yet you have no evidence to your claim? The irony of such is you left out the history of the baptism, which proves to me, once again, you cannot hold your own if the the discussion is about something biblical and or regarding the Bible.
     
    And no, that is an idiotic response, granted with what I had stated on occasion already:
    Do know nothing about following Jesus' example, granted with various comments coming from you, even shot down lessons of the Christ and God's own followers, for you to speak of understanding what the teachings profess shows stupidity on your part when you strongly lack.
    That being said, no baptism history or origin and no mention of the Didache, not to mention the laws all profess of which given to them by God; I am giving you a chance to redeem yourself before you make a total fool of yourself, Screko. lol
    And also, Roman Catholics baptize infants, who cannot profess their faith or their belief in God.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in THE TRINITY   
    Since there is no scriptural support whatsoever for Baptizing small children, and we do it anyway .... why not baptize our pet dogs? 
    Did not the Scriptures say that after Jesus left, wolves would enter in among the flock .... and are not dogs just domestic wolves?
    Here is a photo of a rogue JW Baptizing ten Golden Retriever teenage puppies, and later an Elder Duck  doing a shepherding call on the proud Mamma.


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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in THE TRINITY   
    ... well, your religion, also as WT Society, not follow Jesus' example about baptism of mature  individuals (men and women). Your religion support baptism of under age kids, and, as to my knowledge, that is in opposition to Bible examples on this issue, in fact it is in opposition made by Jesus' example. It seems how your religion is deviate in this (and perhaps in some other subjects) as many others too. So, your religion is similar to Roman Catholic church and JW's in this  theological "truth" :)) even without my mental gymnastic contribution on issue :))
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Matthew9969 in Are children capable of committing fornication?   
    https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/rape-fornication.php
    I am looking at these watchtower articles that state if a woman is being raped, if she doesn't scream or try to get away, she is committing fornication. So following that messed up logic, if a 5 year old child is being raped, and they don't scream for help, does that make that 5 year old a fornicator?
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in CONSCIENCE   
    I do spend a lot of time thinking about what is right and what is wrong, and I do think that God wants each of us to use our own conscience to make our own decisions.
    Yes of course our conscience should be based on God's word, using Bible principles and examples given by Jesus Christ. But it should be our conscience that we rely on, not the dictatorship of MEN. 
    The JW Org's leaders have made so many rules that a baptised JW person cannot use their own conscience. JW's are programmed to accept all the rules dictated by the GB.  Programmed in such a way that every JW knows that if they deliberately use their own conscience and it takes them on a different course to GB 'laws' then that JW is liable to be disfellowshipped. 
    A JW is not always disfellowshipped for breaking God's 'laws', but on occasions a JW is disfellowshipped for breaking the 'laws' of the GB. Hence a JW could have a good conscience and use Bible principles, but still get disfellowshipped. 
    So, are the GB going beyond the things written by taking away a person's conscience and replacing it by too many rules or laws ? 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    But then again, what are pets, but entertainment for humans?
    I once talked with a man who hated all pets, because they served no function.  I pointed out that mine were entertainers.
    Sometimes,....late  at night ... when the house gets quiet and my five dogs and 18 chickens are sleeping, I pause for a moment and wonder ...
    WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?
    ... then I might have a glass of milk, have a few cookies, and go to bed.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    Fortunately for us, this was addressed many years ago in a Watchtower QUESTIONS FROM READERS.
    Many have considered this fake, but a close reading in it's entirety shows it does follow every norm of reason and logic that we are used to, so you should carefully decide, for yourself.
    This is a photo that you can download.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Space Merchant in THE TRINITY   
    Banner? No group as far as I know do not have a banner expect those who use the pagan images which spouts idolatry.
    And I had told you before, you ask again because that is all that you are limited to.
    That being said, under Unitarianism, I am a Biblical Unitarian, born into, baptized into at 6, raised, etc. one who takes into account the study of Theology, which also includes the study of Restorationism due to the fact that they originated in Christendom by means of the Great Awakening in the 1900s. You've addressed this several times, in one instances you even put into question as to why I study and do research on other faiths, for I do such due to people who slander and those who twist what the Bible teaches.
    Unitarians, well the Biblical Unitarians are Semi-Restorationist, due to the fact what we professed is traced back to the teachings of the apostles and the church, something of which I addressed before in my original and first debate/discussion I had here with the Trinitarians twisting things about the Council of Nicaea, for we believe in pre-existence Jesus, and we are not fans of the King James version of the Bible.
    That being said, out of mere prediction, you will ask this same question, as is others, months from now.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    This is second hand information, and I can't say it is "new".  Perhaps it is new in the way it is presented, especially under a convention entitled "Love Never Fails".    I was hoping you may shed some truth to it, since you are taking notes.  
    The "rumor" is, JWs are being told they shouldn't form an emotional attachment to their pets; that it is "foolish because they don't have feelings or emotions".  
    If it is true that the leaders of the WT have stated this, why would anyone trust anything else these men say about love?  
     "So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. "  Gen 9:1,2
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?   
    I realize there are many reasons to go to an Assembly, or Convention, and when my children were living at home they would go to others' conventions  for a variety of reasons, as well as their own.
    I would always ask them when they returned home "What did you learn that was new?" .  This was important to me as I had to work long hours to afford to finance their explorations and socialization, which I thought was important ... but I still expected them to learn something new ... and since I was paying for their travels, to tell me what was going on.
    Generally, attendance to an out of town Convention nearby would cost about $200 a day, times three days, so that would be $600.
    Now that I am retired, and my income has been cut by about 80%, it's even MORE important to me to want to get good value for the time and money I would be spending for my wife and I to spend three days, traveling out of town, to learn something of lasting value .... something worth at least three days of our time, which is painfully obviously shorter, and the what is now considerable effort and considerable expense.
    In Engineering it's important that the "Law of diminishing returns" be observed so that you do not go physically, mentally or emotionally bankrupt.
    Perhaps I am just asking for some encouragement that the effort is worth the cost and effort, and that the benefit is worth it, so if I may ask ......
    WHAT DID YOU LEARN THAT WAS NEW AT THE 2019 "LOVE NEVER FAILS" REGIONAL CONVENTION ?
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Shiwiii in "This Generation" - What's wrong with this picture?   
    oooh, please explain this blasphemy, is it against the gb or the wt as a whole? 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in "This Generation" - What's wrong with this picture?   
    There is a lot we don't agree with, JWI.  And this is one of them.  Although I would prefer your spiritual eyes to be more keen than they are, you are certainly wiser, and more experienced than those on the GB.  It doesn't take wisdom to make up delusional doctrine.  It's like learning to ride a bike, it becomes second nature after awhile . 2 Tim 4:3,4   However, it takes spiritual wisdom, to recognize the delusion.  1 John 4:1
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Bubba Johnson Jr in "This Generation" - What's wrong with this picture?   
    No, you added the other part to be cute and to illustrate your inability to grasp a simple and well illustrated (by D. Splane) the teaching on "this generation". If you are unable to understand something pray for understanding and do your due diligence in researching the subject in JW publications and videos. Meditate on them and if you still cannot understand then just wait. But, do not harm your chances of survival by ridicule and blasphemy.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in "This Generation" - What's wrong with this picture?   
    There isn’t a “group 2” in Jesus’ words, but an ongoing generated seed, either “born” of God’s Spirit, (Ps 112:2; 1 Pet 1:23; Phil 2:15)  or of the spirit of Satan.  Deut 32:5; John 8:44; Matt 12:39; Eph 2:2  Two generations of different fathers, have produced a seed and exist down to this day.  Gen 3:15
    Jesus’ words about the temple being destroyed have another fulfillment today.  Another set of “stones”, “living stones” have been “thrown down” with a “Gentile” army trampling the Temple (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; 2 Thess 2:1-4; Rev 11:1,2)…in the organization. 
    If this wasn’t true, then the prophesy of the Great Tribulation would not be applied to the last days.
    Luke 21:5-36
    7 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
     He told them this parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees.30 When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
    32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
    The kingdom of God didn’t arrive then, when that literal generation passed away.   
    2 Pet 3:7,12,13 - 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. (A “wicked generation”)
    as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells. (a “righteous/upright generation” Ps 112:2)  Rev 21:1,3; 1 Cor 3:16,17
    “Fire” symbolized God’s Word which reveals lies and establishes truth, in the last days.  Jer 23:29; 5:14; Heb 1:7; Rev 11:1-3,5
    Watchtower’s ongoing lie about “this generation” will be consumed by the fire of God’s Word. Isa 24:6; Hos 6:5; Matt 24:48,51; 2 Thess 1:8
     
    Pearl Doxsey an anointed one, has written much about the meaning of "generation".  What one person, a woman, has done to reveal truth, eight men who stumble in the dark, will never accomplish.  God chooses the lowly, not the arrogant, to reveal His Word.  Ezek 21:25,26
    4womaninthewilderness
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in "This Generation" - What's wrong with this picture?   
    I think it has already backfired.
    In my considered opinion EVERYTHING they say ... that I cannot independently prove .. is completely and always suspect, with the baseline assumption that it is just another silly delusion to cover up past delusions that have become so painfully obvious, that it is affecting donations.
    .... merely a contemporary way of saying that we should be like Bereans and CHECK everything ..... which as an organization,  and as publishers and students,  we have NOT been doing .... for a VERY long time.
    ANY organization sitting in a pool of "free money", under a waterfall of "free money" will do ANYTHING to keep the free money coming.
    ... even make up bald faced lies from thin air, and believe it themselves.
    That's why Watchtower Lawyers do NOT "fight" for justice .... they fight for their client to WIN.
    In that respect we are not even unusual ... just being what all human beings naturally are.
    Their credibility as to be worthy of intrinsic trust .... is ZERO.
    They need no help from "apostates" to self-mutilate their own credibility.  They are their very own worst enemy. Others' efforts are  only supportive ... NOT the cause.
    ... and I think the "Overlapping Generations" weaseling  is the straw that broke the camel's back.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in "This Generation" - What's wrong with this picture?   
    One day while out in Service with probably the smartest, most well educated Brother and Elder I have ever met .... he was driving, I was shotgun, and there were two in the back seat ... I mentioned to him that even though I had tried to understand it, I just could not understand the "Overlapping Generations" explanation ... and I asked him if he understood it, and could explain it to me..
    He got real quiet, thought for about 15 seconds and said "I think they are trying to do the best they can ...."
    I have talked to several Elders, asking about that, and NONE could give me an explanation, and did not even want to talk about it ... and I did not push it any further.
    It makes no sense whatsoever .... it's almost like a test, to see if they can say the sky is bright red, filled with flying elephants, and see if everybody will believe it.
    AND BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT, THEY ALSO WILL SEE IT!
    I realize they are grasping at straws, trying to defend the totally indefensible .... that they were 100% wrong for over a hundred years ... but do they so transparently have to publicly play all of us for complete delusional fools?
     
     

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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in "This Generation" - What's wrong with this picture?   
    (Matthew 24:34) . . .Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.
    (Matthew 24:1-3) . . .Now as Jesus was departing from the temple, his disciples approached to show him the buildings of the temple. 2 In response he said to them: “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, by no means will a stone be left here upon a stone and not be thrown down.” 3 While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be. . .
    (Mark 13:1-4) . . .As he was going out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him: “Teacher, see! what wonderful stones and buildings!” 2 However, Jesus said to him: “Do you see these great buildings? By no means will a stone be left here upon a stone and not be thrown down.” 3 As he was sitting on the Mount of Olives with the temple in view, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked him privately: 4 “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are to come to a conclusion?”
    (Luke 21:5-7) 5 Later, when some were speaking about the temple, how it was adorned with fine stones and dedicated things, 6 he said: “As for these things that you now see, the days will come when not a stone will be left upon a stone and not be thrown down.” 7 Then they questioned him, saying: “Teacher, when will these things actually be, and what will be the sign when these things are to occur?”
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Space Merchant in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    No, not over the top. The first time I refuted said individual on such he still ran with it, even alluding to it in the very discussion where you were included, and ins aid discussion you both were one 1-UPing each other when the both of you spoke falsehood and deception.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    In the WT, anointed ones are being disfellowshipped for rejecting false teachings, which happen to come from men. John 16:2; Rev 13:15 They are disfellowshipped because they uphold Christ as their Head, and not men.   Pearl is a woman, and an anointed one, who was disfellowshipped for speaking truth. If I recognize that truth, what does that have to do with my validation as an anointed one when speaking and teaching what I've learned from Pearl?     In the anointed Body of Christ, arranged by GOD, "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28  All one in Christ, in teachings - in what the Holy Spirit provides.  
    Since your opinion is so similar to those who favor ruling over the anointed Body of Christ, I say -
    "Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand" Rom 14:4
    You have never been a member of the WT organization, from what I recall.  As the expression goes,  if you’re going to talk the talk, you’ve got to walk the walk.  Until you've experienced what it is to wake up to a lie and then realize you must leave it to follow in Christ's footsteps, your opinion on the anointed ones and their situation in the WT, holds no value with me whatsoever. 
    However, I thank you for linking to that conversation.  Perhaps others, will see truth.  
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    Which the anointed are now doing in the organization.  
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in False Prophecies   
    You must be directing your comment to Jesus.Defender,  but I wanted to say something about  this part of your comment:
    The “final test” that I believe you are referring to, is after a supposed 1,000 years of peace after Armageddon.  Have you ever found in the scriptures where this thousand year time period would be one of peace? Matt 10:34 The Watchtower states it is a time of judgment.  If that is so, what is the basis for judging a person under what would be a righteous rule, free from Satanic influence?   If peace reigns, will there be any chance of insurrection, or disobedience, or wickedness? 
    Watchtower 15/5/1 p. 16   I hope you read it carefully to perceive its contradictions.
    Why will Judgment Day last a thousand years?
    The dead will be raised during the thousand years. (Revelation 20:4, 12) They will need time to learn God’s ways and obey him. Contrary to popular opinion, the Bible shows that people will be judged on the basis of what they do after their resurrection.—Read Romans 6:7.
    Rom 6:7 - For he who has died has been freed from sin.
    So, Watchtower is saying that during this thousand year time period, people may start out sinless, but sin can happen, because “of what they do after their resurrection”, even though Satan isn’t around to entice them into sin until the “final test”.   As I contemplate this, it doesn’t sound like a peaceful reign to me.  Who could trust their neighbor if there is a chance they will disobey God?  
    Wt’s phrase: “people will need time to learn God’s ways and obey him”.  Of all the people that have lived on the earth, doesn’t God read the heart of each and every one of them? The resurrection is for those whose hearts are already “alive” by God’s standards, “fully committed” to serving Him.  2 Chron 16:9 They’ve already been tested by just living in this world where Satan is very intent on wanting to deceive them.   1 Pet 5:8
     But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” Matt 22:31-32
    Once we gain eternal life from God, it is eternal.  Otherwise, all of Christ’s promises to those who are obedient to him now, are nullified.  John 6:40; 7:38; 17:3; Matt 25:44-46  This includes both anointed and those not anointed.  
    Reading the surrounding scriptures give a different meaning to Rom 6:7:
     For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.  Rom 6:5-11
    WT’s version of the thousand years tells JWs that even though one might survive Armageddon, they can still become “slaves to sin”, and die.  Not according to Paul’s words.  “If we die with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him”.  It is true that this is how the anointed receive eternal life. Even while alive in the flesh, eternal death has no hold on those alive in Christ.  1 Cor 15:55  And it applies to the rest of God’s children in the Kingdom.   Tell me, is it fair for them to face two “Armageddons”, two “final tests”, while the anointed remnant are sealed in heaven?  Is it fair for those who also live according to Christ’s teachings and promises on this side of Armageddon's finish, to face one more final test when they also “die for Christ”?  Matt 16:25
    Even though the WT says, “contrary to popular opinion” that people will be judged after the resurrection, it states:
    The Bible also describes a day of judgment that will occur suddenly before the thousand years begin. That day is also called the end, as discussed in the cover articles of this issue. In that day, God will remove all ungodly, wicked people. (2 Peter 3:7) Therefore, we should take care to prove our love for God.—Read 2 Peter 3:9, 13. 
    The end to what?  To death? To wickedness? No, according to the organization.  Wickedness will still rear its ugly head a thousand years later (maybe sooner if people fall into sin through failing to learn obedience to God)
    There are two things to notice about 2 Pet 3:9,13 
    2 Pet 3:9 – those who survive Armageddon have repented of their sins.  Their hearts have already been judged as righteous, as 2 Pet 3:13 explains.  What a cruel act of God it would be, to test a heart already found righteous and sinless, during, and at the end of a thousand years…after the Great Tribulation/Armageddon.  The amazing thing to me, is that this “thousand years” is deemed as one of peace, yet also one of severe scrutiny by God. 
    "The end" involves the appearance and ultimate destruction of a "false prophet" and the Beast/organization it directs. Rev 13:1,11 These entities are described also as "Gog and Magog".  In both places of Revelation, the "saints" are under their control.  Rev 13:5-7  
    Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea  Rev 20:7-9
    Please notice what happens to the anointed ones, the “saints”, when Satan is released to deceive -
    9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city.
    This doesn’t occur after Armageddon, because by that time, the entire group of sealed “144,000 saints” are serving God in His “heavenly” Temple. (1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) They would have conquered wickedness, and would be ruling as “kings and priests”…forever.  Rev 3:12;7:15;14:1; 5:9,10
    But, as a JW, you would know this; although I am sure you haven’t focused on the results of Satan being “let loose” after a “thousand years”.  (Rev 20:9)
    So, what is the battle all about?  You are seeing one side of it now.  It is the battle of truth against the deceitful lies that you now believe in.  The thousand years began in the first century. Jesus was ruling ‘ in the midst his enemies’ once he sat down at God’s right hand.  Ps 110:1,2; John 12:31,32; 1 Cor 15:24-27  Each day of that symbolic time period ( 2 Pet 3:8,9) was one of judgment for the anointed and believers in Christ, and is our “day of judgment”  now;  based on whether we choose to serve God and Christ, or men and their twisted antics with scripture.  The “thousand years” has ended; Satan was “let loose” to deceive the anointed who are presently surrounded within the walls of the Watchtower.  Matt 24:23,24; Thess 2:9-12 Rev 16:13,14 (the “kings of the earth” are the saints.  Rev 1:5)
    Rev 16:13,14 speaks of the “kings of the earth”, who are the anointed ones/saints, gathered together by a false prophet and a Beast/organization (Gog and Magog) (Rev 13:12,11; 20:8,9) for the “battle of the great day of God the Almighty”.  Demonic expressions are used against them…and all JWs; one being the doctrine of when the thousand year reign of Christ actually occurred.   
    “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (the chosen ones, 1 Pet 2:5,9)  Matt 24:24
     
    Of interest, “The Remaining Ones” by Pearl Doxsey – 4womaninthewilderness
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in How are we to understand the GB/Slave interpreting scripture, as the sole chanel, and at the same time accept that they can err?   
    @Anna. you comment is soooooooooooooo funny. 
    First point. And this is funny.  Quote "who all err and make mistakes." 
    So you are agreeing with me that to 'err' is not a mistake but a deliberate wrongdoing. Because you say, err AND make mistakes. 
     Surely complete trust/confidence only belongs to God.
    I would include Jesus Christ as he has been given the power and authority, and he will be doing the judging.. 
    The GB cannot ensure our salvation, 
    No, but didn't the Watchtower used to say that a person had to be part of the JW / W/t org/soc to gain salvation ?
    The Insight book says this in part regarding true and false prophets:  “The true prophet would speak in Jehovah’s name; the things foretold would come to pass....
    Well that knocks the Bible Students and JW Org / GB / W/t on the head then doesn't it.  
    Rather, he was an advocate of righteousness, and his message dealt primarily with moral standards and their application. He expressed God’s mind on matters.
    This didn't work with CSA in the JW Org did it ? MORAL STANDARDS. I don't think so. 
     If his message contradicted God’s revealed will and standards, he was false".
    Well we have both of those in JW Org. The standards are low and predictions are false. The GB falsely call themselves the F&DS. 
    Now this bit is almost clever, Quote Anna Starts with 'The true prophet', then she moves on to  'the prophet/spokesperson/GB' but finally she moves on to ' the prophet/GB/FDS. 
    How sly is that. A perfect JW way to twist things. Start with a true prophet and end with the GB/F&DS. 
    Personally, I find nothing wrong with speculation, as long as it is not presented as fact.
    Yes the speculation about 1975 was wonderful wasn't it. And the speculation that one has to be a baptised JW to be 'saved'. And the speculation that Armageddon is 'so close now'..........
    Since no one can interpret scripture without the possibility of making an error, 
    That is because they are not inspired Anointed. Why would God give us His word if He would not give inspiration of holy spirit to Anointed ones to interpret it properly. Do you think God wants people to misuse scripture ?
    Going beyond what is written.
    Calling themselves the F&DS...............
     I think completely distrusting the GB is as unreasonable as completely trusting them.
    BUT the GB say they are the F&DS and requite complete obedience. Didn't someone put up a Watchtower quote where the GB said that God and Jesus Christ trust them (the GB), so everyone else should trust them. 
    Your whole comment reminds me of Mark Antony "I come to bury Caesar not to praise him". BUT your comment is very sly, almost clever, and sooo funny. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Jesus.defender in How are we to understand the GB/Slave interpreting scripture, as the sole chanel, and at the same time accept that they can err?   
    You know what i mean.
    "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
    I heard the wt baptizes people into the name of the "organisation"
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