Space Merchant

Yeah just do not watch the video at all, granted it is already a misleading bias piece. There were points made via bias opinion concerning several examples about race, archives, the Holocaust, etc, and in the video itself all points were incorrect as an attempt to mislead. An example is in regards to the EXJW stating Hitler started first and built the camps for JWS only and went after the Jews later. That makes no sense, and I can see why people got banned from the YouTube channel.
That being said, always do the research for anything and everything for the facts. What you see here is both @Srecko Sostar and @Witness once again, defending something false. As I told them, no one is asking them to agree with Jehovah's Witnesses, but they were asked to use critical thinking to do the research to not get duped by the falsehood, yet they hold an agenda to defend the video to the point they contradicted themselves effectively putting them in err; the refutation ended on pages 10 and 11, but it seems at this point, @Witness and @Srecko Sostar is beating a dead horse.
Regarding the issue about Racial Tension, @JW Insider and I mentioned it before. The reason JWs are pinned to the events of 1921 was due to the fact Pastor Rutherford at the time was either about to give a sermon/talk or it took place already, but the events of Sarah Page pretty much caused a lot of blood and death in Tulsa, which indirectly effected Bible Students in that part of the United States. 
That said our countries are no different, the US has it's Racial issues at the time, and I am sure the UK did also, as with others.

Agendas are met to spread deception and confuse the people. They are met to re-write what we know, be it history or Scripture. The Higher Education System is flawed and the unaware cannot see the dangers of that of which has been taking place for years, only a few witness this, even those in middle and high school.
Those children in the video are in the clear, however, there is still a battle in the other institutions, especially those who are heavily Agenda-laced. Not only young souls will be able to battle the system, let alone their parents granted the battle with the Board of Education that was ongoing for months now, even after the CSA situation in Loudon County, and the situation with CRT.
These kids are going to witness a future that no one should if not prepared, the only way for them to move carefully is if an aware parent raises them. This is why God has given people the ability to teach the young not only to be a better person, but to understand who God is. They won't learn from these Agendas, as is from an unaware parent who is a sheeple to the system, and you can't blame the parent because the system has blinded them.
In short, prevent them from adhering to the cults of which one can quickly become woke, as mentioned before, these are legitimate cults, something of which explained to you and Rook.
That said be very careful of the Paradigm's Agenda, although you JWs are not part of it, but it is very easy for someone to fall, give in and or break, especially now with the kinetic escalation.
The last thing you need is someone teaching one of your own that Jehovah and Jesus are somehow non-binary, there are people doing this, just so you know.

@BroRando As pointed out some days ago, the Wild Beast made a move as is those who encircle it, a considerable one this time concerning what some of us have noted to happen a while back concerning the EU. The normal you once knew is legitimately never coming back. Not only the kinetic events, but due to the tiers of persons and the escalation of specific category of civil obedience, things are legitimately going to be extremely different. Economically, RICO was executed.
You should now be planning how you will tread your step accordingly, and like with any major situation of which these absurd Agendas effect the people, it will break some folks, to others even more, as with your faith community. Therefore, Endurance is key.
That being said, things are going to get more hectic and burdensome should a major ill step is taken, making the New Normalcy, a dark one.

Live... from the UN
Russia makes a move into Ukraine... as a "peacekeeper". 
Putin see Kiev and the Ukraine as part of mother Russia historically and this move should have been done much earlier.

Is “equity” just another code word for socialism?
who is paying for these displays in the malls?

I heard about the shooting, the situation gets worse because it looks like the parents were invovled. The kid had an extremely dark mind, espically when he pretended to be the police in order to kill more students. I believe there were 3-4 victims.
Also the situation in Kentucky was bad, some of our brothers and sisters, even family members are OK.

So this thread in a Nutshell
After sitting down and reading through everything. 🍿

@Witness hops in with a video and says something to the effect that this is absolute truth because the person who made the video is an EX-Jehovah's Witness who is also a Bethelite.  
@Space Merchant The guy who does not like falsehood or anything misleading points out the video is misleading, but purposely held back to see what @Witness will say.  
@Witness still holds own to her words and the video.  
@Srecko Sostar chimes in and then @Space Merchant opened the floodgates, refuting nearly every point made in that video which was actucally opinion based vs facts, which wraps around even that of history. Even about the events of the 1900-1930s, mainly about Tulsa. Some of what is said in the video @Witness didn't realize it until later.  
@Witness keeps saying the the opponent is defending the Watchtower or that he isn't a Jehovah's Witness, but due to what @Space Merchant said, the facts, from which I read, is not associated with JWs, but the history of which the JWs were indirectly involved in. @Space Merchant (who is black) checks @Witness and @Srecko Sostarabout Racism and Segregation; the history.  
@JW Insider is for some reason often mentioned by @Dmitar.  
Then @Srecko Sostar somehow points out doctrine, when both @Space Merchant and @Dmitar corrects stating the information follows the history of that specific point in time.  
@Dmitar chimes in to correct and collect and somehow @JW Insider is mentioned by a selected few.   
@Pudgy For comic relief. 🐕‍🦺👍  
@Patiently waiting for Truth comes in for a hello and good bye.  
@Space Merchant literally gave point for point and now @Witness and @Srecko Sostar is on high defense because now the video went as stale as bread.  
@Space Merchant quotes the Ex-Bethelite "word for word" but @Witness and @Srecko Sostar ignores it while defending the lie.  
@Srecko Sostar defends the stance of the video, but owned himself with a Watchtower Article that refutes the claim of racism in the video.  
@Space Merchant knows that the defeated party lost the debate so he just idles to shoot down claims and insults.  
@Dmitar chimes in when a silly reponse is made.  
@Srecko Sostar punching at air at this point. Lol reading through the comments, one thing for certain, I reminded of the situation in Germany once again.
 
ANYWAYS..........
Archives are nothing new, even as one of Jehovah's Witnesses I knew they existed because some Elders mentioned how they were able to get a hold of older publications, so I don't see it as a big secret. Plus we preach using newer publications anyways; archives may be used as call backs or for research, besides that, most of them are on a public domain online around the internet. This is like what some schools and hospitals do, they have records with current information and the rest is archived somewhere, for example a school can have information on a student from the 1980s, which isn't important to a student in the 2000s, or even for medical records, although personal, in some instances they can pull archived data. So I do not see the problem at all, nor do the vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses take issue with this because everyone knows how long the faith was moving, and then some.
Then there is the point in the video where the Ex-Bethelite claims that Bible Students were racist because of Segregation. That is 100% unfounded. Due to customs and the situation back then, things were different so the idea now vs te past can't be coupled together. Even back then, a lot of people were not fans of Racism, in the Bible Student's case, they looked out for their brothers be it black or white in skin tone.
The second example about the Holocaust was kind of an odd one. It is unlikely that the camps were specifically made for Jehovah's Witnesses only, nor were they the first ones on Hitler's chop block. Hitler's anti-Semitism was laser focused on Jews. He, and his party considered the Jews as sub-human and a dangerous cancer that needs to be dealt with. Some believed that Hitler's view of the Jews was a result of his history in Vienna (1908-1913), at some point he came into contact with antisemitic ideas at an early age. The Roma and the Jehovah's Witnesses came later, both @Space Merchant and @Dmitar mentioned this to an effect, @Space Merchant pointed out from the Holocaust source of how they were attacked in those camps, in short, the Nazi's attempted to push the Witnesses to abandon their faith in Jehovah.
The last example regarding 1925 is essentially Rutherford's words being taken out of context, which is another can of worms. I think @JW Insider or someone else gave more insight about this, @Space Merchant even linked that disscussion.
All in all, if the video is indeed false and misleading, I do not see why there is such a strong push to defend it, in addition to that, the Debater purposely entrapped to expose some peeps. One thing for certain, what can be seen here in this thread shows that some EXJWs need a catching up to do with history.
I guess this thread will show the guests of why we take issue with Apostate media.
One thing I wanna point out about Tulsa, both the Latino and Asian communities in the past, were somewhat indirectly effected to, for back in those days, even going to the 1940s+, there was some discrimination against some people, likewise, with others.

It only gets worse from here, it was said that there was a disabled woman who got hurt when the Green suits came in. After that event, this didn't deter the Truckers or their supporters, because of this Trudeau is using other tactics.
On the other side of the battlefield, there are crazy affiliates with some ties to the government who are running around, one in question who is a legitimate enemy to not just those involved, but even to us Truthers.
That being said, the guy in the video is similar to some folks I ran into in the past, but never have I seen one until now in a situation that is this big. The crazy thing is that this unhinged person does not get removed off the platforms due to his claims, yet others who do not think of the Convoy as a problem, get removed. It is one of the very reasons I detest the Agenda narrative with these paradigms. To add more fuel to the fire, this man has followers who are influenced by him and support his actions.
An example of an extremely mentally depraved soul, those who seek to be championed as being on the right side of history with their misleading narratives and action.

I actually went to Kentucky to help out, some in the Truther community as is other communities had a hand in with clean up. But this was afterwards, for originally I went to Michigan, for obvious reasons in connection to the school shooting, which took place on November 30, 2021. Just recently I was in Washington for an event I alluded to several times. 
I did have some interesting conversations, 2 situations where I did run into 2 JWs, however, the second one, was an alleged JW, apparently such ones you deem apostate, was pretending using your own publications in a nefarious way, liken to the situation with the publication in a cemetery situation that happened in 2021, when exposed, he mention someone named DiscipleofChrist on Reddit who speaks a ton on JWs and quotes Fearon.
That being said, as for world events, majority of what I said from 2017, to present day is true, even of how the situation effects religious folk, even your faith, as is with events of Russia and their allies. The irony here is some collectives on here do not pay attention, therefore, when the beast moves, they will not have time to react.

The remark about Gun bunkers came forth from the debate (with multiple subjects for the latter loves to deviate) with Srecko and Witness, evidence to what is true/false is noted in the source presented in the pervious page. Witness made several claims in regards to JWs and the WT using sources such as Rick Fearon and Zelda and a list of ExJW information, however, what she did not realize is not all ExJWs are disgruntled, resulting in some being aware of any knowledge in Funds and other things to speak up against the people of their own community. This also brought forth the notation of the Watchtower somehow being owners of companies that are essentially into military weapons dealings (as is a gaming company and women's lingerie in which some believe they own)
Witness was challenged on this, and all her conspiratorial claims were proven false. In the same source, she attempted to allude the idea that JWs have connection to a Democratic party members, however, this was also false because it is alluded it was actually Fearon who probably held some Leftist backing, to which some believe this to be the case after doing some research. Then Srecko hopped in and made a fool of himself in the process.
In regards to @Dmitar who believes guests are not aware, in that same source, guests were interacting in that same discussion, and saw both Witness and Srecko's claims to not only be problematic, but false, mainly due to the fact the most powerful source in that thread was from an ExJW who challenged disgruntled ExJWs on Economics, money and bonds. Even much later, Witness attempted this again using a redittor associated with Smurf Girl, a conspiracy theorist, once again attempting to link JWs to a Democratic candidate for the Senate this time, Raphael Warnock (D) is an American pastor and politician serving as senior pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church. In Witness' claim, anything that had the term "Watchtower" she automatically assume it is associated with JWs, however, this is false, God forbid if she connects the WT to DC Comics who also uses the term. Then there is the situation with Newscorp, prior to the Redress Scheme, something I believe you are familiar with, whereas you, Witness, and Srecko were fooled by an Alt-Right media source with information that has nothing to do with the WT in order to draw in readers and clicks for the Redress situation in Australia, which as of recent, is a broken country where CSA is highly problematic now.
This is why I take issue with the MSM, they obscure things, even now, they beat the drums of war, of which was predicted by most for several years, hence the actions of the Guardian, NYT, Atlantic, CNN, MSNBC, etc. - The paradigm is a joke.
I already know Rook and James are one in the same, as is the other.
You seem to miss the plot. James does not house weapons under the churches of JWs, as mentioned earlier, this narrative was from Witness' source. These weapons, even poison, etc are alleged to be used for mass killings, and self harm. These Fearon types profess such these ideas and some made videos in the EXJW community. For instance, Anna, Arauna, and JWI are JWs, will they commit mass murder with weapons and poison because no one would accept the Bible's message? No. Do they side with the military in highly danger weapon grades? No. Would they commit to self harm as some ExJWs believe they would that equal to the level of the events of Jim Jones? No. Do the leaders of the JW faith attest to wiping themselves and or their enemies out on a Holy War-sque path? No.
Even the guests saw this is a great falsehood being professed from both Witness and Srecko, who tried to defend her.
James is very familiar with the notation of bearing arms, as is the 2nd amendment, so much so I remember talking to him about self defense, however, James isn't the type to go down an extremist/terrorist route, nor is this the intent of any JW present, no matter how most EXJWS fuel such an idea, which can be dangerous. In one thread not only we mentioned how to better protect children, but with the inclusion of self-defense, this was discussed.
This is why both Srecko and Witness were very wrong for attempting to protect a man/group (in Srecko's case, defend Witness on this) who advocate for such a nonsensical idea. What is ironic that even some disgruntled ones find Rick Fearon to be insane, more so of his actions.
The below is just a snippet of that, my response to Witness...
 
 
The issue is Guns, weapons, and poisons, bunkered inside and under JW churches, a claim proven to be false. Let alone the mass murder idea.
Firearms are legal in the United States, it is constitutional, the second amendment, right to bare arms, etc.
In James' case, in his own thread he mentioned good guys with guns.

James' discussion on the matter was a grounded one via example, in which everyone was engaged, both guests, even Admin, made remarks.
This was one of several.
 
Witness and Srecko were already debated on this, the source is in one of my responses in regards to JW and money on this thread. Sadly, Witness has turned herself into Lisa Haven, and Srecko, a White Knight of Haven.

@JW Insider @Mic Drop One of our own from the Community is there, he's both a Truther and an Independent Journalist who resides in Canada. As of recent news, the police has started to move in on the Convoy, and by early March the mentioned Convoy stated to start in the United States will be coming, their focus is Washington. Authoritarianism, although some of it's seeds have been here, is evidently coming to the doorstep of the US but this time by means of how the gov't reacts to a protest, to make matters far more dangerous, is due to the divide in the US as of right now of those in the political paradigm. Neutral or not, of an institutions or not, it is going to effect everyone, even the children who comes after us.
That said, one needs to be very vigilant going forward and to not bs distracted. 
 
The video below is the reason why people now dub Justin Trudeau as a Dictator:
 

:)))) SM
Perhaps we should start with this order and the title that does not list "leaders", but the presidents of the WT.
1. W.H. Conley
2. C.T. Russell
3. J.F. Rutherford
etc.

What was written in the past WTJWorg called as "new light" aka "The Truth". However, every “new light” that subsequently appeared on the pages of WTJWorg publications unequivocally declared the “old truths” to be lies.
The thoughts of other people, like GB people, are expressed in the text of all published publications. And we all see where it's going and where all those magazines and books are now. Discarded and rejected without any value for JW today.

@Patiently waiting for Truth  Another one (1 of many as of recent, but this one is the bigger one), perhaps the most problematic one to date, mainly during the age of the Information War and the ceasing of the culture war.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10523529/Bidens-pick-nuclear-waste-job-Southern-Baptists-son-turned-drag-queen-Sister-Ray-Dee-OActive.html
https://www.mystateline.com/news/politics/biden-admin-hires-role-playing-fetishist-for-nuclear-waste-post/
When you give those a piece of power and they seed their mantra over time, it will result in stuff like this. As we speak, various things are taking place in all institutions and communities, those who oppose, will later be a focused enemy.
There are other things taking place in regards to even that of children, but that will be a remark for another day.

We already talked about Archives, therefore, you have no case. What you are showing me is a INTRANET outside of the domain, an INFUSTRAURE used by JWs on a public form.
 
As someone who deals in the Network field, you have no case in that regard. 

Can you guarantee that racism and segregation did not happen?

Of course the information is no longer unknown. Why? Because he quoted it in a video, and made known to all YouTube viewers, from an outdated WT publication that JW no longer uses today, for several reasons. One reason is that it is not on the JW Library or Internet WT Library. And you keep claiming it is? 

As @Witness has already told you, the video does not analyze details on racism issue, but confirms the existence of several levels of access to JW library or inability to access WT organization publications by JW members or other people on the official JW library website. He gave example on his claim. He could also use examples that show what changed attitudes on medical issues WT has offered through publications at various periods of time.
The moderator's indication of racism within WTJWorg is not a lie, as similar warnings about the harmfulness of the phenomenon can be read and heard regularly on WTJWorg's "spiritual food" programs, which also address racism. Not every JW congregation may have that problem, but it is still present. Like any other harmful thing in any society, WTJWorg is not exempt from sin and injustice.
Your persistent denial that such a thing is possible within WTJWorg only confirms your inability to accept the reality of today and the fact that WTJWorg has the same kinds of problems as any other religion.

I respect your opinion. SM also expressed his opinion on this. I just expressed my opinion. 
A) the witness of the event may have skipped those details while recounting the experience (why would  he have done that?)
or
b) perhaps the editor of the article omitted that part of the testimony (why, if he have done that?)
What man with the rifle think and what he planed or not planed to do with the rifle confronting the mob is in our imagination.
 

Perhaps armed neighbor was an atheist? It is ok for me if that make you happy.  

Comment on part of the video that moderator named as "Example 1". 
In this part of the video, the moderator illustrates a claim he made in a previous part called “3 Layers”. And he managed to show that most JWs do not have access to that part of the library that is outside the online library. I have proved by the example of the JW library (Croatian) that the JW online library does not have an older publication than 1981 and one brochure from 1976. The English-speaking area has access a little further into the past.
Of course, his statement that he "randomly picked up material" from the year 1900 is ridiculous. If he was preparing material for making such a presentation, he had to prepare it all in advance. But I guess that part of his “scenography” is for the purposes of presentation and the tension of anticipation. If someone wants to blame him for that thing, they can, and I won't defend him in that thing.
The JW publication on the subject (racism and segregation) is an illustration in which he tries to prove that today's younger JW generations (including the older ones, of course) are unable to access older editions of WT written material and therefore do not know what happened in the real historical situations that their organization and their fraternity went through.
The video in this part shows;
1) doctrinal interpretation and interpretation of the biblical text
2) the attitudes of the WT administration about the social and educational condition of a (black) part of  the church
3)colored congregations
There are probably as many as a hundred colored brethren on the Watch Tower lists, some of them very clear in the truth, and very earnest in its service, financially and otherwise. We have received letters from several of these, who had intended engaging in the Volunteer work, expressing surprise that in the call for Volunteers in the March 1st issue we restricted the inquiry to white Protestant churches. They rightly realized that we have not the slightest of race prejudice, and that we love the colored brethren with just the same warmth of heart that we love the white, and they queried therefore why such a distinction should be made in the call. The reason is that so far as we are able to judge, colored people have less education than whites— many of them quite insufficient to permit them to profit by such reading as we have to give forth. Our conclusion therefore is based upon the supposition that reading matter distributed to a colored congregation would more than half of it be utterly wasted, and a very small percentage indeed likely to yield good results. We advise, therefore, that where the Watch Tower literature is introduced to colored people it be not by promiscuous circulation, but only to those who give evidence of some ear for the truth.
We avoid, so far as possible, putting the pearls of present truth into the hands of the vicious and depraved, whites as well as blacks. - https://archive.org/details/1900ZionsWatchTower/page/n258/mode/1up?q=april+15
appendix:
4) white skin for all humans (possible solution how Lord will remove race and color distinction)  
DEAR BROTHER RUSSELL:-Possibly you may remember that when I was in Milwaukee some months ago I sent you a newspaper clipping regarding a colored man in Wilmington who had turned from black to white, through the loss of the pigment under his skin. I now enclose a clipping from the New York World of Sept. 9th, regarding a similar case at Parkersburg, W. Va. Do you not think these may possibly be granted as illustrations of how the Lord purposes to remove race and color distinctions during the "age of the ages"? - https://archive.org/details/1900ZionsWatchTower/page/n617/mode/1up?q=colored+brethren
 
There are no controversial issues in this part of the presentation, because the events were part of WT history, which can be concluded from the available WT text.
I guess there are fewer racial prejudices within JW congregations in America today. I guess this can also be attributed to the laws that allow people with different skin color to mix and to social climate in general (on other hand deep problems exists).
Some of you are defending, the historical fact, the segregation of WT congregations as necessity, in that part of American history, because they were conditioned by the state of American society and the laws that existed at the time. Of course, this is important to know. What is also important to know is the aspiration of WT in that time, and today, that one should listen to God more than people, even at the cost of one's own life. If we look from this aspect of the theology and doctrine of the WT organization, then we can comment that the then religious leadership, and thus the believers themselves as personally responsible for their behavior, still failed because they allowed themselves to be governed by circumstances, not by biblical principles. But that is all for human, isn't it?

And so it begins, something of what many of us, from Truthers to Independent Journalist, even Preppers etc. Some in the community has traveled and or on their way to Ottawa.
Justin Trudeau (dubbed a Dictator), the one that we stated to, even called out to be a problem for years down used has invoked the Emergency Act (possibly the first time used in Canada's history) in regards to the Trucker Convoy, of which one of their own was recently arrested in an attempt to break them, moreover, although they are not the threat to Sovereignty and or the like in that regard, seems those in power seems to view them as such in order to maintain their power.
The only reason he is going down this path is because he wants to hold on to power, to remain in the club and not get kicked out permanently. One can see that Justin Trudeau is not backing down, as with his underlings because they truly do not want to be removed.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
That being said, even for Neutral persons or those that do not adhere to the issues caused by the paradigm, who are not involved in Politics, or those not in the Investor's community, such will have an indirect damning effect on the normal working person/family. Children will also be effected.

@JW Insider @Mic Drop One of our own from the Community is there, he's both a Truther and an Independent Journalist who resides in Canada. As of recent news, the police has started to move in on the Convoy, and by early March the mentioned Convoy stated to start in the United States will be coming, their focus is Washington. Authoritarianism, although some of it's seeds have been here, is evidently coming to the doorstep of the US but this time by means of how the gov't reacts to a protest, to make matters far more dangerous, is due to the divide in the US as of right now of those in the political paradigm. Neutral or not, of an institutions or not, it is going to effect everyone, even the children who comes after us.
That said, one needs to be very vigilant going forward and to not bs distracted. 
 
The video below is the reason why people now dub Justin Trudeau as a Dictator:
 

@Srecko Sostar Unwise to add your own assertions to the events of Tulsa. The religous backing of the rifle baring neighbor was never cited, so assuming he is Christian, be it true or false, is not wise. Brother Hill was cited before, even by JWI. To assume the defense of looters attested to firearms, is unwise also, for people can defend a place of business without deadly force, even in the past, even now. But regardless, we you can see by the examples and cited aritcle, the brothers of the faith mentioned did not harbor any racical hatred between the two. The ExJW thought otherwise; not knowing about Tulsa. It is also noted when those befreind someone of another race, black, in those days, they evade confrontation with Jim Crow mental folk, keep the friendship obsuce to protect their friend and or mate, i.e. a white man who's wife/mate is a black woman, he will do whatever it takes to protect her when force is not neccessary; some events are equated to this in that Era.
That being said, these events took place in the 1900s, do not be like the YouTuber who applied today's thinking to the old days.
Also Hill was mentioned in example to you before, do not twist the narrative.
But it is strange how you muster this reponse because you equated the events to Doctrine rather than History.
Just so you know it was talked about before, @JW Insider cited the same article in regardings to adding futher context as linked here (for the 3rd time)
 
Thank you once again for proving Example 1 from Witness' video is a lie. You are doing more harm to her video source than anyone else here with that regard.