Space Merchant

It really bothers me that those investing in digital currencies such as Pudgycoin are also investing in corrugated cardboard.

Patiently waiting for Truth
What does the Creator think of those who "practice" homosexuality? (Just to see "if" you know)
Best regard !

@Jack Ryan I don't know who gave you that idea. We're still preaching, and from my experience for the last few months outside of school and work, there are people legitimately trying to find us (despite what Ex Jws say), either for meetings or a Bible Study. At times we really don't have to do much. There are people out there who generally want to learn what the Bible really teaches, who Jehovah God is and his son, Jesus. So the pandemic bogging some people down, but not all. I think we raised up in the number of adherents too. My congregation has more people, a few friends of mine had a few newcomers, even some who are in the United Kingdom, France and Spain. So we haven't stopped, Matthew 24:14 is taken seriously, and to our Russian brothers and sisters, their faith has been strong enough to prevent their situation from breaking that spiritual armor. In my experience, met some pretty cool people in the ministry via letter writing and zoom, likewise with people at my college.
@Space Merchant To this day, your knowledge and experience still intimidates people to the point of succumbing to Gnosiophobia lol. I agree with the history which you explained about what New Thought was, I was not aware that they originated from a Spiritualistic new age theology. As for Televangelism, that is also correct, not only it boomed in the 1950s in the United States, but it was in total dominance in that era to now. A paid spot on a random channel was what boosted it. The Prosperity theology is odd because it teaches that God wants people to be prosperous, especially financially, through it, power. Adherents to the Prosperity Gospel believe that wealth is a sign of God’s blessing and the poor are poor because of a lack of faith.
Also I'm not aware of who this Chan guy is, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Bible and his message is weaponized to demonize and to convert people.
@Thinking As usual, seems like the same prime suspects - taking what someone said and molding it into some mindless Frankenstein. But it is best to ignore it, or just speak the truth. A lot of people seem to be in favor of lies and deception because it fits what their view is, they never want to hear both sides of the story, this is why Brother Splane was right in key points of his talk, especially when it came to apostasy. Someone here mentioned he misused Matthew 5:25, 26, which I don't think he did. to handle  things quickly and he mentioned things handled in a just matter with truth, and the point was focused on Jesus urging his disciples to be about settling matters quickly; this is general, like disputes. He was also right about Satan causing division, and essentially leading bad association in proximity of good persons -
I can attest to that because of a recent situation whereas in a chat about the Olympics, someone asked where everyone was from and a brief note about their background, even faith, the second I mentioned I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, out of nowhere, an apostate appeared lol 😅. You never know. But the other people there argued with him, and soon after booted him. They then asked who Jehovah God, and just like that, I told them. Some of the people were not as religious but stayed to listen, some asked for verses, and I just left them with a few verses, one of the verses being James 1:13. So in a situation like that because of an apostate who lashed out randomly, it resulted in a few small Bible gems for people to remember. I had another fun experience with preaching over zoom regarding a heavy metal dude, that is a story I'll save for another day.
@Witness Well he isn't wrong. From what I am seeing, it isn't a matter of lumping terms together, Jehovah's Witnesses are Restorationist, if I recall, he has been saying that for a number of years and gave ample information to back it up (for none of us can forget colorful text, citations and quotes lol), he kept saying "roots" indicating a sense of credibility; they're not random unknown terms. It "isn't his term", in fact, he linked you the history. What he linked you, about Restorationism, it tells you just that, and the main source states: "Jehovah's Witnesses is a millenarian restorationist Christian denomination with nontrinitarian beliefs distinct from mainstream Christianity." Backed up by prominent sources like Rodney Stark, Beckford, even some notable and credible sources. Restorationists aren't just against the Trinity/do not believe in the Trinity, but they are also the types to try to apply practices of the early church, or take steps to restoring practices in the modern day, even when it comes to Scripture and translation, this appears to be the case. There is a difference between Restorationist Christians and New Thought Christians. So calling Jehovah's Witnesses or anyone from Prosperity Preachers is not only a lie, but it shows, as he puts it, a total disregard to the history of either. Prosperity preachers are an adversary to not just Restorationist, but to nontrinitarians, so in reality, to me, and to you, we are seen as a threat. Simply making assumptions on the matter is essentially giving them a win in their book. I do wanna be the person to do that to them, and I genuinely believe you do not want to do the same too, let's not give them that win.
Some key differences:
We believe in the commission - preaching of the good news, they believe that God gives riches and wealth in abundance, using Scripture to increase their personal wealth. We believe Jehovah God is the one True God. They believe Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is a person, also God. We do not believe in the Immortal Soul Doctrine, but they believe good people go to heaven and bad people burn in Hell; believing the soul is immortal. We believe the ability to have visions died out with the last of the apostles, they believe they can have visions, speak in various tongues and literal heal people or expel demons. We do not celebrate Holidays, but they do, and on the holidays, they reap wealth for not the benefit of the Christian congregation expenses, etc., but for personal gain. We believe we are under the New Covenant. They do not believe in the Covenants, and simply mix-match them for their own benefit. The list goes on. Also, it was said before, but what is behind Restorationism is Subordinationism. It is understandable as to why Prosperity preachers would like to throw rocks in our direct, the main fact of our view of Christ Jesus.
Just be careful for assuming terms, when often times the root of an legitimate thing can be traced back centuries.
Always, stay frosty with the research, should you even consider it.

Yes, we all do - and that is both well and good. But like I said, Splane did have a point there, if understood. It is not only on listening to or speaking about false rumors, but on how damaging it can be to someone directly or indirectly, which can commit to harm and or injury, even death; for a recent tragic situation, a simple glitch in a system resulted in a death last year. It can also lead to problematic association and division.
But Srecko, I've asked what you have done so far about child sex abuse?
I'm not saying this to be rude, I am saying it because like some of us here you talk about it most (in various media, not just here) when it comes to this taking place with the JWs, so it is only right to address that question to you, since you mentioned CSA to @Thinking. and to be honest, I was expecting some insight threads on the matter coming back, there was only one and that was some years ago, and the usual continuous talk of CSA, WT, GB show that happens to pop up spontaneously in random threads - like this one.
You really don't have to read the below, it is only there if you have time to spare, it doesn't really bother me.
I can give you an example of what I've been doing.
Don't know if you know this but we do have Watchtower articles about child sex abuse and what a parent and or guardian should do to protect their children [note - ircc something similar, even mentioned here  about ARC, of the sort was but rarely talked about on the internet]. Not only it is advise to read and take in whatever information that is helpful, but we discuss about it whenever we get the chance. Not all Jehovah's Witnesses are oblivious to child sex abuse, and or the topic of immortality, for, all of us know, you, me and everyone here, man is imperfect and because of that there is sin. Even outside of the meetings, I talk about this in college, and yes, people are aware of child sex abuse, but they think with enough logic on what to do before it happens and what to do after it does, mainly when it comes to raising the issue - the subject of child sex abuse itself in general. Believe it or not, everyone takes a different action, sometimes bad ones, especially if they are not well versed in child sex abuse and prevention. But when you know how to deal with the problem, there is benefit. Also Justice is also isn't always clean, but that is a discussion for another day.
Last month, we had some students the Rutgers campus, who joined up in my class and she made things, pulling from my notepad:
So all in all, doing something actually reaps it's rewards, and it is a benefit, be it to the congregation, or outside of it. What some ExJWs do not realize is some people out there know these problems and will take the right action, they are not like the majority of people who do not know what to do - and these people may learn a thing or two if they are aware and someone to teach them or direct them to applying something beneficial, even for younger kids.
You might not like the fact that I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, for I remember when I was a high schooler, I had a few spats with you because of our first interaction. But now, I think and do things with logic, and understanding, positive decision making and had apply these things.
Had to make this known, mainly from experiences and what I've learned and what I continue to do. You don't fit to do these things, we really can't do much because of the pandemic, but we, even you have a foot on some platforms. Things can be done.

@AraunaUnfortunately, this is the case made by a lot of people. At times former members of a faith group just go on their way, most of the time, if they seek God (Allah), they end up adopting a lot of ideas that. If not there, most disgruntled few stem into apostasy. Then you have the rift between former members and those that dwell on odd ideas, hope at times, will combat each other, in some instances, they'll end up defending their former faith against a former faith brother or sister, in other cases, it spawns Christian Infighting also called infighting of faith where as it is like a 2 or 3 way wrestling match at times. Even outside of Religion, this applies to the common man or woman regarding views, even in the higher education system regards students.
That being said, as the fact and point I made clear to the latter regarding Televangelism, the root of JWs and Bible Students, even the rest of the Anti-Trinitarian camp who make up Restorationist, wouldn't even consider such. It is one of the very reasons why back then Prosperity Preachers were dominate due to having such technology to do what they do, and to this day, there is still the enemy aspect between them and Anti-Trinitarians. The history is clear, but as you see, people refuse to even do research and assume things, conjuring misinformation themselves. It amazes me how some ignore the fact of what the real enemy is doing, therefore, when Babylon sweeps, there would not be anything to say for such ones because they've been told.
But let's imagine your faith does Televangelism, that would mean siding with Babylon wholeheartedly. This is why, in reality, you wouldn't be able to regardless if you tried, granted, Babylon already deems you an enemy. 

Did you even bother to look at the citation on the wiki quotation? Evidently - no. Also Restorationism aren't Protestants, since Protestant was the result of a break away from Catholicism. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Protestantism#16th_century
Wilson, J. Matthew (2007). From Pews to Polling Places: Faith and Politics in the American Religious Mosaic. Georgetown University Press. ISBN 978-1-58901-172-4. That being said, it shows you really do not know the history of Prosperity Preachers, let alone of where they originated from.
Again, those who know the history can speak on said history. Just highlighting a quotation without knowing the citation or context behind it shows the lack.
 
I encourage you to learn the difference.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Great-Awakening https://www.britannica.com/event/New-Thought https://www.britannica.com/topic/universal-restoration And of course, as I recall you allusion to New Ageism, which is also cited in said source - https://www.britannica.com/topic/New-Age-movement (This is linked to the Spirituality theology by the way) This still stands

I don't focus on surface information sadly. Again, you are making a claim of which Restorationist in general have a strong disdain for - Prosperity Preachers and everything pertaining to it. We see here you are equating two rivals together of which whom do not like each other for a very very long time, even before JWs existed. This stems back to again, The Great Awakening prior to, during and after. As pointed out in the past, Restorationist mostly use whatever means to push the Commission, they do not do what the Prosperity Preachers are doing, for which you are equating the two, which seems to be the case because you attempt this with Smurf and Zelda, in addition to that fact, you could not make any connection of the two.
How can you call Restorationist Christians Prosperity Preachers if they for a very very LONG time have consider them sworn enemies?
I do know a lot and I have experience, this is why I live up to what I said
 
So the idea of, your claim of Anti-Trinitarians, among them, Restorationist being like that of a rival of whom some spoke ill of, is false here.
In all respects, like I said to you before, you say you are chosen, but little lies and errs you at times preach as a truth. The very reason Kosenen called you out on this, as have I. Be careful of what you profess if the history speaks more truth. As for any JW here, they are rooted from Restorationism, due to it being their history be it they know it or not.
 

Did you even bother to look at the citation on the wiki quotation? Evidently - no. Also Restorationism aren't Protestants, since Protestant was the result of a break away from Catholicism. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Protestantism#16th_century
Wilson, J. Matthew (2007). From Pews to Polling Places: Faith and Politics in the American Religious Mosaic. Georgetown University Press. ISBN 978-1-58901-172-4. That being said, it shows you really do not know the history of Prosperity Preachers, let alone of where they originated from.
Again, those who know the history can speak on said history. Just highlighting a quotation without knowing the citation or context behind it shows the lack.
 
I encourage you to learn the difference.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Great-Awakening https://www.britannica.com/event/New-Thought https://www.britannica.com/topic/universal-restoration And of course, as I recall you allusion to New Ageism, which is also cited in said source - https://www.britannica.com/topic/New-Age-movement (This is linked to the Spirituality theology by the way) This still stands

I don't focus on surface information sadly. Again, you are making a claim of which Restorationist in general have a strong disdain for - Prosperity Preachers and everything pertaining to it. We see here you are equating two rivals together of which whom do not like each other for a very very long time, even before JWs existed. This stems back to again, The Great Awakening prior to, during and after. As pointed out in the past, Restorationist mostly use whatever means to push the Commission, they do not do what the Prosperity Preachers are doing, for which you are equating the two, which seems to be the case because you attempt this with Smurf and Zelda, in addition to that fact, you could not make any connection of the two.
How can you call Restorationist Christians Prosperity Preachers if they for a very very LONG time have consider them sworn enemies?
I do know a lot and I have experience, this is why I live up to what I said
 
So the idea of, your claim of Anti-Trinitarians, among them, Restorationist being like that of a rival of whom some spoke ill of, is false here.
In all respects, like I said to you before, you say you are chosen, but little lies and errs you at times preach as a truth. The very reason Kosenen called you out on this, as have I. Be careful of what you profess if the history speaks more truth. As for any JW here, they are rooted from Restorationism, due to it being their history be it they know it or not.
 

Again, and I will quote myself:
That being said, they won't do such nor are they on their way, for Restorationists, as a whole, do not adhere to what the mainstream does. Babylon wouldn't even allow it if they tried, due to what has been taking place regarding religion from the early 2000s to now, even more due to former members of the faith in question.
So your belief does not reside with the history, let alone the view of Restorationist Christians, mainly due to the fact of how they themselves view Prosperity Preachers. Likewise with Prosperity Preachers, who for over the years mock others who do not do the same as they do regarding Televangelism, i.e. Creflo Dollar, an American televangelist. Some of the off grid Restorationists had a lone of negative things to say about Televangelism for years now.
Prosperity Preachers are rooted from The New Thought movement (also called  Higher Thought), is a spiritual movement which coalesced in the United States in the early 19th century, this was around the same time the Great Awakening took place. It was during the Healing Revivals of the 1950s that Prosperity Theology first came to prominence in the United States in full force - thus these types of preachers are born.
No, it does not. hence the following -  how they themselves view Prosperity Preachers.
Restorationist, and most Anti-Trinitarian Christians are, in this case, sworn enemies of Prosperity Preachers (similarly to how Muslims view Televised Dawah). This so called rivalry was possibly due to everything that transpired after the Great Awakening of Christianity (which is true hence the history) and where the Prosperity Preachers came in some years later to shift the battleground due to tools and technology unitized in that time, as for Televangelism, during the 1960s, Prosperity Preachers embraced it and came to dominance with televised religious programming in the United States, the first among them in this regard being Granville Oral Roberts was an American Charismatic Christian televangelist, ordained in both the Pentecostal Holiness and United Methodist churches. He was among the first, developing a weekly program that became the most watched religious show in the United States, and others followed suite in the Prosperity space. In the 1990s and 2000s, it was adopted by Influential Leaders in the Pentecostal Movement and Charismatic Movement in the United States and has spread around the globe.
This is why Prosperity Preachers often use uncanny information to demonize anyone who is in the camp of Anti-Trinitarian, example would be Francis Chan, who essentially weaponized the Bible against not to just JWs and Anti-Trinitarians, even won over a big number of ExJWs (true - if you go to any material where preachers like him speaks of JWs, him specifically, likewise with those against the Trinity as a whole) and others of former faiths  prior to and after the Babylon fueled event of 2016, as stated in the other thread, Babylon's wave took a lot of folks, even EXJws.
Lastly, the very reasons they do this with Anti-Trinitarians is because their root of existence, which was explained.
Also as for the verses you mentioned, not sure what was the reason for citing it.
That being said,
The situation with them and these types of preachers is no different to the difference between those who had their view of Jesus, Jesus being the Son of God, and those that see Jesus as God, going as far as to alter the Scriptures, even killing people, to do so.
Other then that Prosperity Preachers are essentially an obstacle for sometime now, granted Babylon has been using them.
History is always key, Witness, mainly if the history is factual. 
 
Also Tiktok?

Oh, mon doux enfant dété.

Because of how he can get a reaction out of you, and equates all JWs to be alike. He did not only do this with you, but to others, we the had the one instance with the JW teen, another with Allen, etc. - thus having a broken perception of things.
That being said, I, as do some, deal with such persons constantly, one sided, mainly when they know their err and soon expound on accusations without evidence or merit. Which is pretty much a shame, and downright embarrassing. All in all, it proves the point made many, many times.

Anytime. But yeah, Australia has gotten worse, Canada is a different story. For Australia, their media isn't displaying what is taking place there all the time, let alone they rarely display full information, mainly when it comes to opposing views, religion, etc. As of recent they are sending and or have done so already the military to deal with people. Similar to Australia, you have Germany. They are physically abusing people, even children. And by whom? The police is doing this, and they are under order to do so in regards to the strife taking place there due to the COVID-19 surge. There was a child beaten by the Berlin police all because he protected his mother who had a different view concerning the pandemic, not to mention the recent 600 arrests. Sounds a bit 1984ish/Orwellian. Thus sparks the notation of Totalitarian action. This is parallel to what transpired prior to the ban of JWs in Russia and all things around it in regards to the Church and the State Duma, even afterwards, anything after the banning of JWs is highly suppressed, the only victory here is the Alexei Navalny followers being able to take down an FSB website that tracks them, along with others who the Kremlin deems a threat and yes, even JWs were tracked on this website, but they were branded as Navalny Heroes along with the rest, even underaged teens were branded.
As pointed out to @TrueTomHarley and @ApostaBabe Linda James, Jehovah's Witnesses are only aware of their banning in Russia (as is the jailing of members of their faith), but not everything else that has taken place, before, during and after around the banning, i.e. members of the church for a brief moment went door to door to preach since the JWs were not doing it anymore or the legitimate "spiritual power" gain by Patriarch Kirill of Moscow prior or his meeting with Pope Francis, who manage to gain Kirill as another religious leader in the conquest for peace.
EDIT:
It is tough to find the Russian church preaching video because on the Russian side of YouTube, some Christians got their channels deleted or blocked, however, articles on Kirill are still public - https://www.ruptly.tv/en/videos/20160218-062-Antarctica--Patriarch-Kirill-hails--spiritual-energy--at-Antarctic-mass
That being said, the pandemic has given the powers that be, even the United Nations, a lot of power. Something of which the common Republican, Democrat, Left/Right-winger, Lib, etc do not understand, even that of a Centrist or a Statist, hence AoC. I had already mentioned to you what the UN was trying to do because of the Charlottesville situation, but I noticed yesterday that they have a shot coming towards Abrahamic Faiths concerning homosexuality and again with the first amendment. One has to realize why is it the first few amendments, mainly the first one, the UN has a high interest in?
The irony of the situation, since we are speaking about Apostates too, this will eventually come for them, for JWs, mainly for those unaware of what is taking place behind the curtain of what the UN, the super powers, etc. are doing. As is, which can be a possibility, with turning people on their own (which they have already) without the need to remove them from their faith due to the MSM fear mongering getting the best of them, but on a Religious standpoint.
Crazy time to be alive, but many of us, me especially, is unbothered, Truthers in general are not bothered by these things because we know what comes next, even from a Christian standpoint, for some Truthers are such.

Not it isn't. It is no accusation. Those who are taught about God and ultimately abandon God as is speak ill of him and or lie by means of their exegesis about him are of this fold.
Yet when the history is spoken in the past in this regard, you shoot away at it. This is evident because you didn't even know what Restorationism is.
It isn't a Watchtower direction, so thank you for the humor. If you bothered to not only research the word Apostasy, as is the history behind it, you'd realize it, but as proven before, core Christian knowledge is not really there in you.
Did you not READ what I said to @TrueTomHarley? [Although Apostasy, being an alienation from God, it can spell disaster in some instances.]
So tell me, is homosexuality right in the eyes of God because through Jesus he accepts everyone? The answer is pretty obvious. Or how about same sex marriage? As long as both persons are in union before God and accept God, you think that is okay? Or maybe, is it right to make the claim that God was the one responsible for the Coronavirus, just so he can pass judgement? Or perhaps, the bombing of innocence men, women and children is a justice in the eyes of God for those of the US and the UK?
I guess you need a "Pink Bible" for those.
Apostasy is an alienation from God, and all things pertaining to him, even his Christ, and it can spell disaster. This just proves my case here as to which you are utterly unaware.
You have to be completely ignorant to assume this is on the Watchtower alone when everyone can see it, even the chosen ones. We also have the fact that @Kosonen was right here, as was I.
Says the man who is unaware of things. You already proven yourself where you stand spiritually, as is exposed yourself to be a misguided soul.
why not? It would not surprise me if you yourself got hit by the wave as did most.
I pointed out 2 factors, and you have no evidence (unproven opinions) as to how I lack both understanding and meaning if [I can attest to] the Concordances for the word(s) itself is clear, as is with those who studied the Crucifixions and gave commentary insight as to who and why it can be said.
Again with the alienation. So please address the questions highlighted in blue and red. This just shows you are misguided because you did not understand the context of the point.
You should examine yourself, because last I checked, didn't realize what Strong's were, even when told, you forget, and every time there is Concordances involved, you have 0% understanding in this regard unless told by some, even me, etc.
Next time when you bring a claim, back it up because in my case, I only need to link your quotations.
And so what? What are you attempt to prove with an American saying of which you have no knowledge of?
That being said, I like how you bring Romans 12:9, yet Hermeneutical Context doesn't even correlate with the point made (which puts into question your claim of seeking and or having spiritual knowledge). JB, I thought you examined yourself spiritually here how can those having hatred of God abhor what is bad? Makes no sense (and you know it), and it shows you got it backwards, I guess you like to humor people, but of course you laugh out your mistakes - as always. This reminds me of what happened to Syrian Christians, of which the verse can be applied. A few years back the US/UK allies promised the city, and the Christians there, they will protect them, only for abandon them, resulting in the men, women and children to later be victims of terrorists, poisoners, killed, raped, forced into child marriage, slave labor, etc. Those who managed to escape made everyone aware of what happened. Why the allied forced left? Because they want their land back, and the only way to do it was to soften up even disarm the city, and abandoning them to the terrorist. They didn't care about God's Word when pretending to defend their own blood, nor did they abhor what is bad because instead of God, all they saw was their land. Also amazing how the US and the UK were hush hush about it, reasons why such ones continue to blame the US, UK and their allies.
That said, the remark is in regards to hatred towards Christians and of God and his teachings, hence the alienation, as is with unchristianization of the Word.
[haters hate because they can't appreciate, in turn, haters makes one even more famous.] - all quotations have meaning, of course.
More and more people bring forth hate and persecution to break Christians, moreover, they do not appreciate the teachings of God so they'll do anything and everything to destroy and suppress it. But Christians remain enduring and strong against such because they know if hated, they are in the right for speaking true, in this regard, famous before God and famous before those who wants to stop God's people despite every attempt being a failure. The fact that Tom was able to understand that, but you didn't speaks volume.
You speaking of Romans 12:9 is out of context here for the verses stats [Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.]
There is a verse you should have used in this regard, and it is Ephesians 4:18, which would have made more sense.
It reads [being darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardening of their heart;]
Those who hold to this category do have darken hearts. Because they reject God with their folly, they do not have in view the life of God of which he gives them, hence God being the life giver. Their hearts are also harden, so even if a Christian reasons with them, they do not listen, even if they attack or kill a Christian or do anything vile of ill intent, they hold no remorse, not to mention they rejoice at trying to break them from the inside and out. They love what is bad and wicked. They abhor ALL that is good. And they will find away to attack, as is willfully confuse Christians if need be because they do not see their err and are lost. Something of which Satan the Devil takes joy in as is a rebellious child who steals candy from another child. In rare instances, some come to their senses, and make the return to God, we even have Bible examples, un turn mirrors today.
Last I checked, you do not preach the gospel and the like you only focus on the Watchtower solely, this goes back to what I challenged you on too in 2020 before I was invited to a group to aid young people, so you do not know, thus being unaware, of things outside of your home, let alone where you live.
So how does hatred of God have love when they have hate?  How can they cling to what is good, if they cling to what is bad? Again, Tom understood the point, you didn't, despite the response was solely for Tom in regards to what he said. You interjected unwisely with no understanding of things.
But you equate all of them as bad and evil, i.e. because of @Arauna, you equate ALL JWs to be like her, have you made every single JW? Have you met Castle? have you met Kathgar? Also Swahili JWs have been mentioned, forgot about them? You show an understanding as the Canada Church debaters from a few days ago, which is a shame.
It was said on CSE that the faith of Jehovah's Witnesses, some people who leave claim to seek a better understanding of God, but at the same time, they allow themselves to be open to falsehood, conspiracy and misinformation, and an odd exgesis. Even some who are not of any group called this out, and there was a case where Muslims, some who do not like JWs or Christians, made a fool of former JWs in their debates. You speak of lies, but you assumed the truth of the Concordances to be false, despite the Concordances did not originate with Jehovah's Witnesses, you later assumed a group existed only to be false, and now you adhere to the Smurf, who is known by ExJWs to make wild accusations about JWs.
You say you hate what is bad, but misinformation is also bad, as with apostasy, it can spell disaster. If you actually know the history of early Christianity, you'd also know that. Not once I hear you talk about the Councils, so that remains to be seen.
You haven't given any evidence to how Scripture was misused when you yourself do not know Strong's. In this case, the issue with Hands vs. Wrists (hence Concordances are always right), which has been talked about even outside of the JW faith, mainly due to the fact of how crucifixion were done and the tearing of flesh, etc. Most people do not really focus on that, but rather, if the device used was a cross or a stake.
It is an American English saying from said folks... Are you really focused on that of which you do not know the point? Laughable. Very.
 
That being said, it is not WISE to read into things literally, it is WISE to take in all information concerning the words and roots of the Greek text concerning hands or wrists, as is, with what the conclusion actually is. Greeks didn't' speak English back then, so let's not assume they did. In this regard, the notation isn't that much of an issue, very elementary and minor, for the real focus to many is either cross or stake.

@Pudgy The Dog must be a time traveler, if he has a vest, and an AK-47. Also I've seen this picture before, for it is in the Middle East whereas Thessalonica of Greece; Thermaic Gulf of the Aegean Sea.
That being said, now if Paul found a means of Time Traveler and is laying low not to change anything, that in of itself is a different campfire tale.

Because it is true. If it were not, it would not have been said.
You are not someone who is equipped for a debate(s), especially if it is solely Bible based, so do not ask for something you know you cannot handle, mainly towards someone who started off from CSE and debated a lot there for a time (as with Trinitarians irl in the post Bible debate era) this is evident by the questions addressed earlier, which was not answered, although they were very obvious - for we know what the Bible speaks of concerning marriage. Wild accusations and an appeal of motive also shows you are not capable of such, for the last debate here concerning religious leadership and or seat of office, the focus was on the Bible, but the common theme I see is they need to interject JWs or the Watchtower. Even with finances regarding bonds, Solutions to aid children, or that of the United Nations, JWs/Watchtower is always invoked.
So - be careful of what you wish for. I already have pity for the misguided because they do not know any better.
That being said, a debate is the last thing you need, and such will be left at that.
Receipts can be found, and some people act upon something that they say they would not do at times.
Also be minimum discernment, you are an ExJW, thus it level you open to nearly everything, and more so, you do not deal with people who are at a certain level.
But even outside of belief, you speak of such. This is evident with the Strong's itself, or the very Hermeneutics of Scripture, like here, concerning Hands/Wrists, where you jump to the Watchtower with a total disregard to Concordances and what was concluded in the crucifixion.
We know by the concordances of what the Scriptures speaks of concerning those who or imprisoned, and how they are, as is with the way Jesus was handled. As stated, reading into things literally is problematic, which does not differ from the Trinitarians, Jehovah Warriors, KJV-Onlyist, who says Jesus is God because they see God mentioned close to the Messiah by name, when in reality, there is a distinction between God and Christ. Likewise with the nails being impaled into the Christ, we should look at the real meaning, as is historical depiction and the history of crucifixions as a whole, in this case, excluding the cross/stake notation since that isn't the focus.
So what is their view on where the nail has been placed? It isn't different from the majority.
If you want to talk about differences, there are those who take into account of dangers, and those that do not within Christianity. Just from your last response, this can be found concerning endurance and vigilance, of which the Bible states we must have.
That being said, you made the biggest claim of this month concerning a community, who contributes everything for lost souls, you were called to tasked to answer, you shying away from it only proves the point made.
Again, making a claim or an accusation about something of which you know nothing of is a huge mistake, and you never address you made a mistake most of the time. If you'd said that to said community in question, and the fact that you are a former Jehovah's Witness the reaction, for some of them will be colorful, mainly after what they contributed.
I still wait on the claim though, so I did not forget about that, for that is quite damning of an accusation.

@Pudgy The Dog must be a time traveler, if he has a vest, and an AK-47. Also I've seen this picture before, for it is in the Middle East whereas Thessalonica of Greece; Thermaic Gulf of the Aegean Sea.
That being said, now if Paul found a means of Time Traveler and is laying low not to change anything, that in of itself is a different campfire tale.

I don't think @Pudgy point was whether Paul had a dog or not. His point was that with all that Paul went through, and in such a short period of time, could be agenda driven, just like if you liked the idea of him being accompanied by a dog, (since Pudgy is a dog) you may be able to insert that in there somewhere....and even go around the fact that to the Jews dogs were unclean....
It's like trying to envisage 8 million people or so trying to clean up the earth after Armageddon....
It is obvious that supernatural help will be necessary. Perhaps Paul had supernatural help?

I also don’t get into this much because it is not the main issue. If it is something that can get people sick in the long run—well, throw it on the stack. We all get sick in the long run.
The main thing for Witnesses is to focus on announcing the incoming kingdom under which no one will say ‘I am sick.’

Cancel Culture will come for you if that is the case. They've been deleting and deplatforming people since the pandemic, even more since January 6th, to add their own narrative, re-writing history, and soon interjecting it into the higher education system, even going as far as to, wanting to dance at the graves of people who do not agree with them, which is insane. Media and social media deems anyone a threat if you do not align with their narrative of the pandemic, and you can easily get marked for cancellation, which in turn, can ruin your life, even your livelyhood, something of which Vice and the Dailybeast, teamed up with The Young Turks, is attempting with someone right now - to deplatform, cancel, erase history in regards to the individual; for they're doing this because they are disgruntled and using the pandemic and Jan. 6th as a weapon. Eslewhere, Alex Johns, was actually right on something, yet the MSM claim he lied, again this speaks volume.
So you'll have to tread carefully as to why you say, and what you do, even link in some platforms, mainly on social media.
Even the CDC needs to be viewed with skepticism, mainly after what they said:
 
Yet..... The vaccinated have become Trojan Horses, breakthrough spreaders. Misinformation drives all people into ruin.
That being said, the whole vaccine thing is up to a person's personal choice, no one should be pressed for their medical records, HIPPA comes into question which many ignore, even the media. But the whole fear factor thing is a powerful tool, and no one is immune to it if they get caught up into it, like that of a vortex you have to fight your way out of, as mentioned already to Thinking and in the other thread, JWs are in subjection to this, as with most. AS for the jokesters, and the misguided souls out there, even on this forums, they will get hit by this even harder, especially those in the EU, Germany is a foreshadowing of what is to come on their soil.

Yes, even Jehovah's Witnesses aren't immune from what the media is spreading throughout the TV and social media. A lot of young JWs utilize social media. The powers can use anything at their disposal, even a  snippet of fear and division, and pour it out to ALL groups, as is ALL faiths, even those who are irreligious, they were able to do this with even children, which is amplified by the higher education system teaching CRT and a means to cause division among children, teens and young adults, something of which no one found out about until recently. Whenever a government aided power has a crisis on their hands, they can expel more power and authoritarian action among the people. 
There are those who did take a stand, it is liken to your stance on blood transfusion, which, because of the Pandemic, you not accepting a transfusion can no longer be an argument against you. It is also one of those reasons as to why Alt Left and Right media no longer press JWs about blood, moreover, Ambrosia resurfaced and the situation with the black markets went up after what was discovered in China.
Another thing is, while everyone is distracted, various things are taking place in the background, which will eventually lead to more panic buying, people moving out of the cities, etc. If you haven't noticed, Seeds have been bought up and or removed from stores, which raises the question as why seeds are being prohibited from the public in some areas?
That being said, power and fear can cause people to buckle, some, who are so enticed by the MSM as often fall in line and follow what is told to them as if they are an Empire based Stormtrooper under Order 66.
Satan is like a mix of Batman villains. Cunning for if not one scheme gets you, the other one can put you in between a rock and a hard place directly or indirectly. So you have to be really really strong in this type of situation, mainly due to the fact it is going to get much worse, hitting 1984ish-Bob Page levels as we speak.
I see this often quoted by some, which is true with the powers that be.
                            

Only partially, I would say. Just because the CDC did not admit it does not mean it is not so. It reminds me of situations in which the refusal of blood transfusion is a factor. If I person fell into a meat grinder, emerging as hamburger, and thereafter refused a blood transfusion, that refusal is the cause of death, at least as far as the media is concerned. So it appears to be with comorbidities when one of them is Covid.

Like I said, if you are going to make a claim about something, do not make assumptions otherwise it would be problematic, and we can see when called out about it or zeroing in on your own claim, you react the way you do, and make remarks to dodge your own words. Everyone knows if one alienates themselves from God, especially in this manner, they do not have love in them or cling to what is good, mainly for those who show no remorse for their actions. This is why it was wrong of you to attest to Romans 12:9 ;granted you didn't even know the meaning behind the quotation I said; in my response to @TrueTomHarley because Alienation reaps instances of disaster, hence those questions addressed to you in red and blue, we know what the Bible says in regards to this things, marriage should be between a man and a woman, homosexuality is sin, war destroys lives, etc. People who cling to badness, do not have love in them, or have that of what is good in God's Word, hence why Ephesians 4:18 was appropriate because it correlates with not what was said, but the current situation of things regarding Christians and haters of God.
Truthers do have heart for the longest of time, again do not make an accusation if you can't back it up; mainly if you have no knowledge of that such entails. Because there are things of which such has found that would  put you into shock. And there I will rest it, for one's ignorance of the term; thus the talk of misinformation and the lack of understanding, let alone the very reason Truther always coin the MSM misleading the general public, let alone take pride in looking for missing persons, such as children.
This isn't an argument, my response was towards Tom and only him in regards to Apostasy, but you interjected with some narratives that do not even connect with hat was conveyed.
A lesson you do not learn from and you continue to do such things.
Correction - it does matter what the enemy is doing, hence the UN and the events of 2016/2017 and onward, i.e. those who were pleasing God were taken by Babylon in Washing some years ago, and they were not vigilant compared to most. The Christians wiped out were in the thousands, all taken into the Temple of Babylon, even a few Jehovah's Witnesses, current and former. This is why Proverbs 22:3 is vital, as is with being enduring, watchful, and vigilant in the last days of the End Times and continously pray to God, and adhere to the commission. We have to be aware of the danger of Babylon and the Beast otherwise we fall victim to it. Strong Christians, although some do not know 100% of the inner workings of the Beast and the Harlot, they do everything they must to evade being taken away, likewise with those who are alienated from God and what they have been doing thus far. You do not see that because you seem confined to a  single space.
The Bible teaches us the danger of God's adversary and what we must avoid, things we have to do to strengthen ourselves, and the like. Because even the smallest of err can swing someone into the Devil's favor, thus becoming a drifter and a pawn to that of Babylon and the Beast, especially during these times of the pandemic, which the powers that be are using to scare people.
That being said, not only an examination must be executed on your part, but you need to actually open your eyes, as I told you before when you went by the name JB.
 
Anyways as for the subject matter - https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/19649/when-jesus-was-nailed-to-the-cross-did-the-nails-go-through-his-hands-or-throug/19651#19651
 
 

@xero Vaccinations is up to the choice of the individuals (also recommended to speak to your doctor), be it a man, woman or child, however, it seems people are pressing with fear to get the numbers up (death toll was abandoned by the MSM because Donald J. Trump is no longer in power). Truthers called it years ago that a crisis will enable the media and the government to reap and use said powers, all it took was a pandemic which resulted in the state of the Western world and the rest of the globe. Some can't take it due to Religious Reasons, and or being against their faith or they can't take it at all due to medical issues.
The irony here is that one of the children I helped out mentioned a game his older brother played that spoke of a virus and a pandemic, and in this game as to how the situation has been dividing the people and cause a panic among ALL groups. Thus is sparks a segregation of the general public in some parts, for in the past, whites and blacks were subjected to segregation, but like in this game the kid mentioned to me, you have people segregated by their augmentations, IRL, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.
That being said, the US and their allies, France, United Kingdom, etc. are pressing for vaccinations. Germany recently joined the bandwagon in this regard.
Concerning COVID-19 there is a LOT going on in the background that isn't being mentioned in articles and the media. Aside from "Vaccinated Only" signs, arrests, etc. Especially breakthrough cases of the Vaccinated folk who are now dub'd Trojan Horses, which is rarely spoken about in the media. As is with suffering children.
They use to clown Truthers about Booster Shots last year, and now they suggest Booster Shots and COVID-19 Pills.
As I and Kosenen have brought up, they're going to make things harder and harder for you so you submit to a medical procedure.
A recent assassination was also speculate due to rejection of vaccinations, and ironically cases went out in said country, as is with their neighbors, who were subjected to mixed dosages, which can also become a reality in the US and EU.
Although it as nothing to do with the Mark of the Beast as some claim, it can be seen as a foreshadowing of the things to come, the events prior to the Endgame, mainly with the agenda of the United Nations slowly coming to fruition.
As I mentioned in another thread, the wave that is to come, some people will be wept away by it, for their own assumption spells their demise, which proves Proverbs 22:3, and all similar verses to it not being applied.

This is the most thorough collection of reasons I have yet seen—everything under one roof.

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/08/fact-check-the-cdc-did-not-admit-that-only-six-percent-of-deaths-in-covid-toll-were-from-covid-19.html?fbclid=IwAR3x_1jVHk3hBFcUlKsHCRcL3jdK0G41-a56jBYcaOPmbPv0JrNQEHZ83_M
OK, but now we're down to 17. I wonder why the fact checkers at facebook haven't been able to address the other 17 reasons.

I don't get angry, because of Galatians 5. Getting emotional, even displaying anger yields nothing, be it spiritually, and culturally, nor express hate, if it was already said, I hate minsifnroamtion and the Trinity, those affiliated with such I see as misguided. A Spiritually Strong person holds firm and stands when in harm's way, holding true to God and his Word, and adhere to the command of his Christ, mainly those who are seeking truth. If anyone buckled, it was you, hence your reaction, which is why it can be saved when the wave comes, you can be swept away by it. But as shown before you do not know culture. Also by the way, my remark to Tom was no opinion, it was fact. Since the fall of the church this has been happening, centuries onward to present day, today,  until the end of the End Times.
Can you please address the the below in regards to Romans 12:9
Which is also connected to this:
and this:

That being said, that is quite a cheeky accusation, I don't buckle or faze to misguided folks, which I knew what is coming because when pressed with the facts you either [A] walk around what is said and [B] Say a remark just to deviate from what is being asked of you - not this time. If you didn't want to be checked in this manner, you should not not mentioned me let alone make a response to what I told @TrueTomHarley. Anyways, How does not lack love when defending what is true about those who are for God around the world who deals with those who are alienated from God? It is the very reason I brought up Syrian Christians. Not to long ago you pressed a defense with Romans 12:9, which has now been called into question.
To abhor what is good is not love, hence your confusion. Therefore, the use of Romans 12:9 is unwise. Perhaps if it was in reverse, you'd have a case.
 
That being said, address the quotation, if you speak such resolve.
 
As for the hands vs wrist notation, the information is true to it's concordances. Mainly in regards to the tearing of flesh.

That one Scripture there DESTROYS the Trinity.
Since I am a cartoon dog, I recognize other explanations .....