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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Because everyone can see your reaction whenever it comes up. Only at random you make a spectacle about it when there is no need to.
    There was a John Butler II, which was later removed by the Admin, hence why 4Jah2me came to play and the purposely noticeable avoidance of not only being associated with the name, but self talk in 3rd person. For if it never existed before, I would not have brought it up, for I came across it a while back regarding our discussion on a Bible translated term of which you thought only the Watchtower changed on purpose when in reality, there was no Strong's violation - Gridled [up] vs Nakedness.
    Acts 2 is in regards to Pentecost, not anything pertaining to after the death of John. The fact you didn't understand what was conveyed showed that for someone who is patiently waiting for truth, makes no effort to understand Scriptures concerning the difference between Prophets Inspired and Prophets Not Inspired.
    People prior to John's death were indeed prophets inspired, many of them, however, John was the last of them, the last of the Apostles, and the abelites he and the others have, had ceased - hence my comment regarding Apostle John, who was Exiled in Patmos (1 Corinthians 13:9-11). God's Holy Spirit produced gifts such as visions and the like, an ability John and the others had, hence the gift of prophecy, speaking in tongues, etc. even that of special knowledge, however, these gifts had since passed away, for such has been rendered ineffective; made obsolete, however the early church still had God's backing.
    This is even more evident by means of Apostle John's students, noted as Ignatius and Polycarp, what transpired afterwards. John's students were also weaponized by Trinitarians to push the Trinity Doctrine by taking their words out of context, likewise, with Justin Martyr.
    That being said, the abelites had since passed away, for a long time now, and should anyone tell you otherwise, or state they have visions, Paul's words comes to mind in Galatians 1:1-11. This isn't the first time I mentioned, this, even to you.
    John outlived practically the majority of Apostles also, lived out near the end of the 1st century.
    Even Srecko got this wrong - 
    That being said, I doubt you'll find anyone who can transfigure themselves and or have visions on the level of an inspired prophet. And I can bank on that with absolute certainty.
    It isn't an American thing, the British knows this too, the youth often times meme about it. In reality the term is in relation to yelling, one can only be assertive in a text/comment by word structure. Wise to understand the difference.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    @Witness We know the difference between a prophet inspired and a prophet not inspired. Still - No one after John, not even his students, had the ability to profess visions, have a prophet level of prophesying, miraculous gifts, etc. So you, myself, everyone here, the Jehovah's Witnesses as is others in the Abrahamic Faith, on both factions, are not prophets inspired, and or has any ability of that nature of what Prophets of old as is followers of Christ were capable of doing, anyone who claims such, well, one can call upon the words of Apostle Paul, Galatians 1:1-11. Moreover, those who make claim often than not are affiliated with Spiritism and or Demonic Forces, as is those who claim they can speak to or bring back the dead like that of the Christ. Likewise with those who said they had visions of Heaven and or Hell (which can be contributed to revelations from fallen ones, rebellious angels) - hence the verse in the same passage:
    But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
    It is also noted if Prophets Inspired existed after Apostle John, we would never have the situation with Constantine the Great, or what any of the Church Fathers did. We would not be having revised Bibles, for an Inspired Prophet can simply get everything together accordingly. There would not be a need for denominations or the Anti-Trinitarian vs Trinitarian factions, for a Prophet Inspired would definitely remedied that, essentially a single flock, the spiritual house of the chosen and the followers against the world itself.
    This was addressed to you before in a discussion, the distinction between the 2 is noticeable.
    These are the notable figures in the 2nd Century, I've already mention the students of Apostle John to @Patiently waiting for Truth - Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp.
     
    There's Church Father/Bishop Irenaeus of Lyons, who he himself is a student of Polycarp.   Papias Aristides Barnabas Shepherd of Hermas II Clement Justin Martyr Tatian  Athenagoras Theophilus of Antioch Theodotus of Byzantium
    NOTE: Tertullian is 3rd century, however, concerning Polycarp, he attested that Polycarp was appointed by John, hence why he is seen as a student/disciple of John himself. Likewise with Irenaeus, who said the same thing to a similar effect.
    None of them were to be seen and or believed to be Prophets Inspired, for if that were the case, as mentioned, The Church would have not been infiltrated and or attacked from the inside out, nor would the events of Constantine, and later, Theodosius, would ever take effect.
    The Apostolic Church would have been like that of a Fortress, from then, into Present Day, into Tribulations times and eventually, God's Day which is Near.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    @Witness We know the difference between a prophet inspired and a prophet not inspired. Still - No one after John, not even his students, had the ability to profess visions, have a prophet level of prophesying, miraculous gifts, etc. So you, myself, everyone here, the Jehovah's Witnesses as is others in the Abrahamic Faith, on both factions, are not prophets inspired, and or has any ability of that nature of what Prophets of old as is followers of Christ were capable of doing, anyone who claims such, well, one can call upon the words of Apostle Paul, Galatians 1:1-11. Moreover, those who make claim often than not are affiliated with Spiritism and or Demonic Forces, as is those who claim they can speak to or bring back the dead like that of the Christ. Likewise with those who said they had visions of Heaven and or Hell (which can be contributed to revelations from fallen ones, rebellious angels) - hence the verse in the same passage:
    But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
    It is also noted if Prophets Inspired existed after Apostle John, we would never have the situation with Constantine the Great, or what any of the Church Fathers did. We would not be having revised Bibles, for an Inspired Prophet can simply get everything together accordingly. There would not be a need for denominations or the Anti-Trinitarian vs Trinitarian factions, for a Prophet Inspired would definitely remedied that, essentially a single flock, the spiritual house of the chosen and the followers against the world itself.
    This was addressed to you before in a discussion, the distinction between the 2 is noticeable.
    These are the notable figures in the 2nd Century, I've already mention the students of Apostle John to @Patiently waiting for Truth - Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp.
     
    There's Church Father/Bishop Irenaeus of Lyons, who he himself is a student of Polycarp.   Papias Aristides Barnabas Shepherd of Hermas II Clement Justin Martyr Tatian  Athenagoras Theophilus of Antioch Theodotus of Byzantium
    NOTE: Tertullian is 3rd century, however, concerning Polycarp, he attested that Polycarp was appointed by John, hence why he is seen as a student/disciple of John himself. Likewise with Irenaeus, who said the same thing to a similar effect.
    None of them were to be seen and or believed to be Prophets Inspired, for if that were the case, as mentioned, The Church would have not been infiltrated and or attacked from the inside out, nor would the events of Constantine, and later, Theodosius, would ever take effect.
    The Apostolic Church would have been like that of a Fortress, from then, into Present Day, into Tribulations times and eventually, God's Day which is Near.
  4. Downvote
    Space Merchant got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Because everyone can see your reaction whenever it comes up. Only at random you make a spectacle about it when there is no need to.
    There was a John Butler II, which was later removed by the Admin, hence why 4Jah2me came to play and the purposely noticeable avoidance of not only being associated with the name, but self talk in 3rd person. For if it never existed before, I would not have brought it up, for I came across it a while back regarding our discussion on a Bible translated term of which you thought only the Watchtower changed on purpose when in reality, there was no Strong's violation - Gridled [up] vs Nakedness.
    Acts 2 is in regards to Pentecost, not anything pertaining to after the death of John. The fact you didn't understand what was conveyed showed that for someone who is patiently waiting for truth, makes no effort to understand Scriptures concerning the difference between Prophets Inspired and Prophets Not Inspired.
    People prior to John's death were indeed prophets inspired, many of them, however, John was the last of them, the last of the Apostles, and the abelites he and the others have, had ceased - hence my comment regarding Apostle John, who was Exiled in Patmos (1 Corinthians 13:9-11). God's Holy Spirit produced gifts such as visions and the like, an ability John and the others had, hence the gift of prophecy, speaking in tongues, etc. even that of special knowledge, however, these gifts had since passed away, for such has been rendered ineffective; made obsolete, however the early church still had God's backing.
    This is even more evident by means of Apostle John's students, noted as Ignatius and Polycarp, what transpired afterwards. John's students were also weaponized by Trinitarians to push the Trinity Doctrine by taking their words out of context, likewise, with Justin Martyr.
    That being said, the abelites had since passed away, for a long time now, and should anyone tell you otherwise, or state they have visions, Paul's words comes to mind in Galatians 1:1-11. This isn't the first time I mentioned, this, even to you.
    John outlived practically the majority of Apostles also, lived out near the end of the 1st century.
    Even Srecko got this wrong - 
    That being said, I doubt you'll find anyone who can transfigure themselves and or have visions on the level of an inspired prophet. And I can bank on that with absolute certainty.
    It isn't an American thing, the British knows this too, the youth often times meme about it. In reality the term is in relation to yelling, one can only be assertive in a text/comment by word structure. Wise to understand the difference.
  5. Haha
    Space Merchant got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Quite simple, The Early Sources, then you have the Later Sources, for which some of them contain text that is not inspired, rather, are simple narratives, we've been through this several times already, i.e. The Adulterous Woman narrative, Acts 8:37, etc. As is with Hebrew and Greek Strong's.
    This also connects to Prophets Inspired and the ones Not Inspired.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Pudgy in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    @Pudgy Not sure what kind of show is that but I'll check it out.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    No, grated the Great Awakening, there were legitimate groups out there with real claims of  something happening on that exact day. This is why I mentioned Herbert W. Armstrong. Armstrong's fourth and final prediction was a literal one and he gave a date, he was specific, often times, even vague.
    A snippet in relation to him, in his case, he gave a description of what would happen
    [The beginning of the European broadcast provides the context of a booklet published in 1956 called 1975 in Prophecy! In this book Armstrong put forward a controversial vision of what the world could look like by 1975— featuring illustrations of mass burials and tidal waves destroying cities. Overall he thought that World War III and Christ's glorious return were at the doorstep and that world peace and utopia would follow. Armstrong believed that God had exciting plans for mankind that would see the end of such wars—though the message went far beyond an earthly utopia.]
    The problem here is the fact he attested to visions, this is a person, among many, out of the Great Awakening who claim to be a Prophet Inspired, in which such Prophets are capable of having visions like that of those of old, but in reality, such an ability died with the last Apostle, John.
    Then you have the Comet Kohoutek situation in which the one who professed this, also claiming to be a Prophet Inspired, said it would happen, 1974, but it did not occur.
    Both situations the claim of God's Day was mentioned and was literal, even in the works surrounding these predictions, hence a failed prediction in that era, and in regards to these 2, no speculation at all, granted the literal sense. There were others too, and there were some of which people did not make the claim of God's Day that is to occur, more so, attesting to being vigilant for no one truly knows the day or hour, not even the Son.
    The hippies is a story for another day.
      
    A superman joke, when someone does not want to reveal themselves so they act different and or pretend they are not the person at all. Clark Kent pretending he isn't Superman towards other people, hence having a mask (his glasses). This is why I addressed this to Mr. Butler concerning his masks remark, which, in this case - backfired.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    These points were made, as for the claims made pertaining to 1975, it does not make sense because of the verses in question, and that the Commission was not stopped by the Christ. There is a time when the gospel work will stop, clearly, what the others ignore to see, is around the 60s and 70s, and onward, people continue the Great Commission of the gospel preaching concerning the Messianic Age that is to come.
    What also amazes me is they also ignore the fact that even in the Bible, it attest to time being short, even the Devil knows time is short, moreover, Jesus and his followers have mentioned that the End is Near, in Jesus' case, he gave us an idea due to the Signs.
    That being said, the irony also is that there seems to be some who have a slight defense of material gain over zeal for God's Promise.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Because that is your name. John Butler. I always have called you that after deducing who you were when you went by the name 4Jah2me. The mannerisms have not changed.
    I don't hide behind a mask, this is how I am. This is how I speak even.
    If you want to play the mask game, last I checked, you had several accounts/names (John Butler, john butler II; 4Jah2me), pretending you are not who you truly are; you even played the alluding game when asked several times or when someone drew suspicion. You do this more so because of fear for Admin (who isn't as religious, but tolerates us), but he has no reason to take action against you after you learned from your last lesson. At least the other guy isn't too shy about his last tenures or shy away from it, as you do.
    That being said, I can do call backs, so be wise next time before you make a remark. @Pudgy often makes remarks about Superman/Clark Kent and how easily one can deduce who he is, likewise, people can do the same for you, even though you tried to mask it, as seen below here (among MANY examples)
    Seriously, you are not around the age to be playing games like this, and you aren't the first to do such a thing, of which people can deduce and call out.
    But it is the truth - you are John Butler; often Clark Kenting and speaking in 3rd person, as seen in the above example among many. You rarely reaction whenever I refer to you as Mr. Butler, but only now because you tried to play a game of which is easily shot down.
    Biblical Unitarian, at least be specific. I never told you directly, it was only mentioned to you when you assumed I was part of the Interfaith, twice. The other time, you assume I was a Muslim for knowing a bit of history, when I am not.
    I never asked you for dreams, but if that is how roll with whatever weird fantasy you adhere to, I do not care to be part of it.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    The random ALL CAPs suggests otherwise.
    Short time pertains to why Matthew 24 and 25 as is 1 John 2:17 was even cited, it seems to me you haven't read either chapter, or take in the context of Apostle John's words. Christians are aware that the End is indeed Near, so they make the effort to do what they need to do for The Great Commission itself, which is not uncommon because of the last Great Awakening period in the 60s and 70s. Great Awakenings are of Christian history, by the way, for someone of your age, I guess aside from reading comprehension, history should be added to the list.
    Nowhere in that 1974 article it shows even attests to God's Day. If you simply got that from wicked end, as is ignore not only the verses cited, but the other parts in that same archived article, it shows you are leaning towards the speculative narrative, hence the claim you've adopted by the latter.
    The Bible is clear that time is indeed short. Even the Devil himself knows Time is short, in addition, there is much one can do with the life that God has given them, so if they are dedicated to the Commission, they'll do so, moreover, as already pointed out there were some among them who speculated although the claim of God's Day was never even attested to.
    That being said, the verse is pretty clear - The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.
    Lines up with what the Christ says also.
    Lastly, it would not make sense for JWs to even alluded to God's Day because The Commission was still ongoing. As mentioned to @Pudgy if the JWs did exactly as what was mentioned in Matthew 24 concerning 1975, prior to that year they would not be out there at all, hence the context of what Jesus said about the gospel work, it ceasing, and then the end itself actually comes, God's Day. A separation of Sheep and Goat would not even transpire such a short time either.
    Of course, for some speculated from the things they heard, came to their own conclusions.
    Not all of them believed God's Day to occur on 1975, only those who speculated, hence why the human error remark was addressed later on, as is the mention of arguments among the JW faith.
    Gospel preaching zeal for all faiths around the 60s and 70s was high, hence Great Awakening, the fourth and final one. All of these Awakenings, the Christian zeal is lit up like a fire for a period of years.
    Not everyone, as for the latter statement one can assume; the job market isn't as bad in the 60s-80s compared to the mid-90s to now.
    Matthew 24 and 25, 1 John 2:17 with all references. As is all followers of the Christ even attest to the little time we have. This isn't something new or outlandish, therefore, time is indeed short.
    We can see that, but nothing in there attest to God's Day legitimately being 1975, and the other factor that disqualifies that is people were still adhering to the Commission, for Jesus is the one who will give word to cease prior to End Time Tribulations, and evidently, his return, marking God's Day.
    The irony here is everyone, although the differences, tend to alluded to the word of Christ concerning God's Word, and all of a sudden, it becomes irrelevant for a known reason, the reason is obvious.
    Don't even know the term. What makes this remark more laughable because last I checked, the LGBTQ community duped you easily with an NYT article.
    And yes, I don't mind doing a call back for that one concerning your defense.
  11. Upvote
    Space Merchant got a reaction from TrueTomHarley in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    The MSM is selective. Finding the truth in the matter, isn't.
    I took the time to actually see what the Croatian people have been saying, although some got confused of who owned the Drone, such as yourself and what the BBC attempted to claim, some from your country gave more insight, so much so, in regards to who shot it down is in affiliation with NATO and issue with Anti-Air locks failing; hence the disappointments, Croatian police also assume it to be Russian, but it isn't despite the fact there is a lot of finger pointing. Some of them assumed it could be in association with a False Flag just to get others involved in the War itself.
    It wouldn't make sense to apply because a Religious Institution isn't the MSM, nor do they hold any affiliation with the MSM to even attest to selective information concerning what Matthew 24 and 25 pertains to.
    This is why it is already concluded the situation of 1975 and the events around it, ever since the book released in 1966 since that is also connected came down to speculation and human errors based on their own understanding instead of context. This was addressed several times already; seems you are asking the same as a parallel this time.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    No, grated the Great Awakening, there were legitimate groups out there with real claims of  something happening on that exact day. This is why I mentioned Herbert W. Armstrong. Armstrong's fourth and final prediction was a literal one and he gave a date, he was specific, often times, even vague.
    A snippet in relation to him, in his case, he gave a description of what would happen
    [The beginning of the European broadcast provides the context of a booklet published in 1956 called 1975 in Prophecy! In this book Armstrong put forward a controversial vision of what the world could look like by 1975— featuring illustrations of mass burials and tidal waves destroying cities. Overall he thought that World War III and Christ's glorious return were at the doorstep and that world peace and utopia would follow. Armstrong believed that God had exciting plans for mankind that would see the end of such wars—though the message went far beyond an earthly utopia.]
    The problem here is the fact he attested to visions, this is a person, among many, out of the Great Awakening who claim to be a Prophet Inspired, in which such Prophets are capable of having visions like that of those of old, but in reality, such an ability died with the last Apostle, John.
    Then you have the Comet Kohoutek situation in which the one who professed this, also claiming to be a Prophet Inspired, said it would happen, 1974, but it did not occur.
    Both situations the claim of God's Day was mentioned and was literal, even in the works surrounding these predictions, hence a failed prediction in that era, and in regards to these 2, no speculation at all, granted the literal sense. There were others too, and there were some of which people did not make the claim of God's Day that is to occur, more so, attesting to being vigilant for no one truly knows the day or hour, not even the Son.
    The hippies is a story for another day.
      
    A superman joke, when someone does not want to reveal themselves so they act different and or pretend they are not the person at all. Clark Kent pretending he isn't Superman towards other people, hence having a mask (his glasses). This is why I addressed this to Mr. Butler concerning his masks remark, which, in this case - backfired.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    These points were made, as for the claims made pertaining to 1975, it does not make sense because of the verses in question, and that the Commission was not stopped by the Christ. There is a time when the gospel work will stop, clearly, what the others ignore to see, is around the 60s and 70s, and onward, people continue the Great Commission of the gospel preaching concerning the Messianic Age that is to come.
    What also amazes me is they also ignore the fact that even in the Bible, it attest to time being short, even the Devil knows time is short, moreover, Jesus and his followers have mentioned that the End is Near, in Jesus' case, he gave us an idea due to the Signs.
    That being said, the irony also is that there seems to be some who have a slight defense of material gain over zeal for God's Promise.
  14. Haha
    Space Merchant got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    @Patiently waiting for Truth John - You are a former Witness of your former faith and often times there has been some things you have posted from said community.
    If you are saying this now, the many times in the past as to when it was coined, you would have said the same thing.
    Sure, because I am not going to believe a claim based off of speculation as some have.
    Ironic from the man who was swept away by the New York Times.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    @Srecko Sostar As pointed out earlier because of the Drone. Now there is even more confusion hence why I was clear on why you cannot trust the MSM 100%. The narrative has changed to both Russia and Ukraine pointing the figure at each other and some are now claiming there was a Bomb inside the Drone; for it would not make sense for Ukraine to have a Bomb intended for Croatia, and now Croatia is at the heels of NATO criticizing them.
    Both Russia and Ukraine have denied they launched the drone.
    The Croatian Defense Minister Mario Banozic: “Traces of explosives and clues suggesting that this was not a reconnaissance aircraft were found. We found parts of an air bomb."
    So it is a wise move to actually wait before jumping to conclusion based off of speculation.
  16. Haha
    Space Merchant got a reaction from Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    The fact you didn't know about this you are not at fault here, you won't be banned; granted the majority of people do not know these things about such websites. In Admin's case, he will not fault you for it. The only reason Admin was brought up is for example if someone fell actually fell victim to their personal info getting breached, they'll can start pointing fingers in which where they found the link in the first place. For, there are people who if they feel violated in some way shape or form, they'd go for all parties involved, often times get others involved indirectly.
    Also your remark of those chosen, @Kosonen saw things differently, I believe you spoke with him before.
  17. Thanks
    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    @Witness This is what I was talking about concerning spoofing:
    The first image (image A) is from your link, if clicked in combination it intertwines with JW.org. The second image (image B) is the legitimate JW.org, for the image concerning Ukraine was there the other day and suddenly the link you provided already for spoofed images of a recently shown image. The third image (image C) is from your link that if you manage to find the re-directs, it mirrors exactly the same as JW.org, and there is a possible risk for anyone who clicks on a link or try to login. The 4th image (image D) is what JW.org was just a few days ago in which Image A was updated to match it soon after it was changed to Image B.
    Both JW.org and your link also has a workable logon page so you don't know which one is true or false if you don't pay attention.
    The Red Flag here is that once you go to the spoofed website, most, if not all re-directs to JW.org, which is a problem because if the website was to have archived all information collected by JWs and EXJWs, why is there a need to have a replicated site that re-directs on purpose?
    Image A
    Image B
     
    Image C
     
    Image D
     
    Here are other examples, Image A.1 is JW.org and Image B.1 is the spoofed website
    Image A.1
    Image B.1
    Identical if one isn't paying attention because they'll simply be confused, very confused and possibly think the website is hacked and or other serious scenarios. Image B.1 automatically re-directs to JW.org, in addition to that, the IP of JW.org is also semi-mirrored here, so in a sense, it does slowly lean into the copyright waters as @Dmitar mention. At the time time, it is woeful deception.
     
    Lastly, granted this website assumes JWs to be a Cult, thus whomever made the website adopted the Cult Ideology concerning Christians, some of the things used in the replicated spoof website, he/she mocked God (Jehovah/Yahweh) and mocked Jesus, not to mention shown a lowkey racist remark towards Chinese people. He/She continued to mock God directly concerning COVID-19, and made fun of God to assume as if he was part of a drug cartel/drug growing duo from a drama series, I doubt you or anyone elsewhere here assumes God, Jehovah/Yahweh to be part of a Drug Trade type of thing. Granted the history of this website, despite it's infancy, there has been some remark changes to further mock Jehovah's Witnesses, The Watchtower, as is to mock Christ, the son of God, and His Father, due to this, it can be deduced that this person isn't an EXJW, but an Anti-JW, who is not only disgruntled, but also has a level of hatred for God himself. Hence in Apostasy, the notion of one being alienated from God.
    The person in archived versions of this replica also mocked the Bible and the Holocaust... Considers Jesus a Fairytale, as is all written about him.
    More mockery in the last image 

    With the stuff I have seen, having to close my browser and open it constantly... I can't even said "That being said" for this response instead "What on God's Green Earth" is more appropriate here.
    But really, you should have known what you are linking, this is way examine, even research is key, you can't post things without knowing. In this case, it is more than simply spoofing, but rather influences of an Anti-JW, more so, someone who is in the camp of the Atheistism community similar to Jack on this forum but more severe, granted, the notions are met to hit beyond JWs themselves.
    It gets even more worse
    [Because we witness, or never shut up about Jehovah: Jehovah this, Jehovah that, Jehovah God, our God Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah; we are known as Jehovah’s Witnesses. This is a parody homepage but you can explore our real life cult website by clicking on any of the links you see here. Read our own cult Bible online. Learn more about how we break apart families by practising an extreme form of shunning]
    What I see that is ironic, he says that it is a parody website, but you cannot claim parody by spoof replication with assets, in most cases, that do not belong to you. Legal action can be taken should someone choose. He/She even go as far as to admit to the re-direct links which are potentially not safe.
    NOTE: Unlike trademark law, copyright law does not presume commercial use. Under copyright law, “not all parody is protected; instead, parody, 'like any other use, has to work its way through the relevant factors.
    None of them pertain to replication and spoofs.
    The latter also admitted to spoofing....

     
    This won't end well once people start to realize all of this...
    People will obviously be upset, you should be too. People who mock God directly, equating, in this regard, Jehovah your God, to Drug dealers in a Drug trade or jokingly calling him a Spaghetti Monster is indeed a problem. A serious one.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    I say what I say because I had seen people get into some serious trouble with spoofing.
    And I reason concern for anyone to be cautious because of key logging may be a possibility.
    I don't think you'll get hit by the alphabet boys unless a victims of a spoof comes back here, and they won't go to you, they'll go to Admin.
    You linked it, but at least give a warning for anyone to be careful of the links that take you off the main page.
    You should say something to the effect, only focus on the main page and do not click on anything else, be it JW or EXJW, and knowing some JWs have logons, what would happened if you Trojan horsed them into getting not only their emails and passwords net-packed, but any personal information?
    From experience, when we took down a hacker website, we has a reason to. The website was shown to be an opposition website however, it tracked more than that. My contact was able to do more to shut down the website due to him being in Russia at the time of where the domain was being broadcasted. The Software in question cannot be stopped, but the usage of what it was used for in that website, was halted. Spoofing did more than trace people, some had nefarious intent, i.e. stalking/following women to their home.
    What you should do next time is carefully examine the website(s) before linking them. Like I said, in IT, some admins/net admins would see this as a land mine type situation.
    Be Careful.
    You can't see tracing and or key logs, you would not know if there was a problem or not. You can only find out if you have the tools and or if you really got hit with something.
    That being said, next time, just examine, and forewarn people before they click, although you do not like JWs, at least notify them, should they have a logon, to not click anything else after it redirects them to JW.org.
    Spoofing is highly dangerous and deceptive, and from experience, I have seen a lot of Hell for it.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Thinking in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    When it comes to things like this, spoofing in general, at times those who do not know these things are unaware. Granted she has not seen beyond the main page, just by discernment @Witness was actually unaware, especially when she didn't believe the broken links to be true, but now with this information now, she should be, for anyone, even her would not want to put their personal information at risk if there are threats due to the re-directs. So she will need to be careful next time. If she wanted to continue what she says about anything pertaining to the Watchtower, she should just stick with what she knows, for example, JWFacts.
    But yes, hypothetically speaking, if the situation turns out serious for anyone who falls victim, and they want to take action, real action, they'll start pointing figures at people and websites involved. So it can cause a list of problems. I mentioned Nintendo for a reason. For there was a parallel situation which landed someone a couple years of prison time, for although a Japanese Gaming Company, they're relentless when it comes to stamping out what they deem as a problem.
    But yes now people are aware, especially now due to cyber attacks taking place.
    I also mentioned Google, for this is akin to it - https://mashable.com/article/fake-google-domain
    Other than that, the remarks about God and Jesus on the spoof site is very sad, I am aware of parodies, but they are hiding behind that as an excuse.
     
     
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Witness in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    The fact you didn't know about this you are not at fault here, you won't be banned; granted the majority of people do not know these things about such websites. In Admin's case, he will not fault you for it. The only reason Admin was brought up is for example if someone fell actually fell victim to their personal info getting breached, they'll can start pointing fingers in which where they found the link in the first place. For, there are people who if they feel violated in some way shape or form, they'd go for all parties involved, often times get others involved indirectly.
    Also your remark of those chosen, @Kosonen saw things differently, I believe you spoke with him before.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    @Srecko Sostar As pointed out earlier because of the Drone. Now there is even more confusion hence why I was clear on why you cannot trust the MSM 100%. The narrative has changed to both Russia and Ukraine pointing the figure at each other and some are now claiming there was a Bomb inside the Drone; for it would not make sense for Ukraine to have a Bomb intended for Croatia, and now Croatia is at the heels of NATO criticizing them.
    Both Russia and Ukraine have denied they launched the drone.
    The Croatian Defense Minister Mario Banozic: “Traces of explosives and clues suggesting that this was not a reconnaissance aircraft were found. We found parts of an air bomb."
    So it is a wise move to actually wait before jumping to conclusion based off of speculation.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from JW Insider in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I asked you to do research, never made the claim of fake news. Because during war time a serious situation, propaganda is all over the place. If you look up the drone story itself, there are different notions

    1 says it is believed to be...
    the second says its from Ukraine.
    The 3rd, yours, assumes is from Ukraine just by looking at what is written.
    And the list goes on. It is no different from the example given, Snake Island.
    As shown below
    BBC and similar  2 weeks ago around the same timeframe:


     
     
    You can't put too much of your trust in the MSM.
    Anyone can claim they saw a drone fall, but clearly you can't claim origin and what was the origin of impact, now can you?
    Ok then enlightened me - Who shot down the drone, and who operated the drone?
    Was there anything that can be branched from a false flag category to get your country involved?
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from JW Insider in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    There is an abundance of Propaganda, this is why research is vital.
    That being said, the MSM are speculating with this one - one says claim to be, the other likely, the other assumed to be, the other believed. One attest to the fact it is Soviet Era, the other of Ukraine origin.
    I wouldn't trust the BBC if I were you because when it comes to a situation like this, they're prone to give bias, as is war mongering notions if the situation calls for it. BBC has been known to make mistakes and pushed as truth in dire situations. Not only it is bias, it is more Left Wing. I recommend looking for unbias news if research is something you cannot do.
    Anyways, War is a sign that the End is Near, as is Famine, as is destruction and death, and in such things, people's lives are cut short (ending the remaining days they have left), directly or indirectly if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    You know that you mention it, America is suspect in a lot of things, even when it comes to killing their own to hide information.
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    Space Merchant got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    And Butler himself. Seems more of a sarcastic remark, no different from your other mannerism even as your last 2 tenures, as did the one when Admin got invovled.
     
    1975 being the the start of God's Day was never promoted by them, therefore, the latter leaned on speculation.
    Here are your receipts. The majority knows the context of 1975, but as pointed out, you and the others attested otherwise. As seen below:
      
      
      
      
      
      
     
    There is more as your last tenure, 2Jah4me, as is John Butler.
    The truth of the matter is, nowhere did they state the day is of that year, it was more inline with what they stated regarding human history, those who speculative saw differently, hence the claim of which @Witness and @Srecko Sostar is pushing as a truth.
    This was because of a speculative narrative. It was already addressed that there were those who took context in what was said, and then there were those who assume otherwise, hence the action was taken. This was said several times in this thread.
    The God's Day notion also breaks even further due to people still preaching, for it contradicts Matthew 24 and 25 concerning the end of the gospel work.
    They never promoted 1975 was indeed the day, be it vocal or in whatever publication they had, your latter statement said otherwise when you attempt to show me an archived citation, which does not even suggest that.
    This is a matter of truth, the only Agenda is pushing a narrative based on speculation to profess it as a truth, which is a problem. Funny you use that term yet you fell for an Alt-Right and a Leftist article meant to draw emotion and speculation.
    The notion was leading more into the history of human existence, granted ALL Christians know the End is near concerning End Times, in this case, no one believed it to be 1975 expect those who speculate and spread information, thus reap the action, as to what was mentioned, even by you. Only to later be weaponized as a truth, when it is not.
    You are of the EXJW community, are you not? Some of the things cited by you, even in the past, shows that, i.e. showing a book often pushed by said community that has outlandish views of your former faith, so outlandish that it is deem highly questionable, although you did not read; pushed it without knowing what it entails, you sided with @Srecko Sostar briefly prior to me calling out what was in it. To make the matter even worse, the author being in connection with the Kairos Movement, of which is everyone, even everyone here, to you, to me, Srecko, JWI, Witness, Dmitar, etc.
    The community has a thing for pushing misinformation and half-truths, so much so even some among their own go against them. This is the same community that killed something in it's tracks which could benefit both JWs and EXJWs, related to what you are always talking about.
    Yet you lack discernment to know who is telling the truth here. Christians should display that, for someone who changed their name to patiently seeking truth, you are not applying here, thus clouded judgment. 
    That being said, learn to open your eyes next time around, and I say that politely, as I do with all misguided.
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