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  1. JOHN BUTLER
    Wow, complicated huh. So, once upon a time the Board of Directors were the GB. But in 1971 the GB was the Board of directors + other older brothers. However since 2001 the GB and the Board of Directors are two seperate groups of men. Now I have more questions. The Watchtower B&T Society is one 'company', whilst the, Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is a seperate 'company'. When exactly did they seperate and why ? So who rules over which 'company', GB or Board of Directors, or both ? And which of those two 'bodies' GB or B of D has the highest rank / control, over which of the two companies ? I think the $4000 a day fine situation was because the GB / B of D were deliberately slowing down court proceedings by sending letters between the W/T and the CCJW, as each has its own legal departments. Try comparing that to the 'early Christians'. Did they have two 'companies' and two legal departments ? Jesus didn't even have a bed to call his own. It must cost the congregants a fortune in donations
  2. JOHN BUTLER
    The GB would only act like any big businessmen or politician. They would avoid answering questions directly or just plainly tell lies.
  3. JOHN BUTLER
    Following on from @Srecko Sostar this management / board of directors now say that are the 'Faithful and discreet slave'. Thank you Srecko. But i lost it a bit about if they are all supposed to be of the anointed or not now. Either way it does seem a crafty move and i find it quite funny that the W/t changed their title to suit their own convenience. Board of Directors = Faithful and discreet slave, I don't think so As the Board of Directors of course, it is much easier to understand how they try to hide the pedopphilia problem and try to stop victims claiming compensation. It's big business isn't it ? They don't want their business to lose money or status. Um, Judas was the money handler wasn't he, and look what he did and how he ended up.
  4. JOHN BUTLER
    Now you did say this however ( @TrueTomHarley ) Quote "because you are such a pit bull." So I'm not always silly and I'm not exactly mentally ill, but I am a bit of a dog then ..
  5. JOHN BUTLER
    Yes. When I signed on many years ago. They didn’t sneak up out of nowhere. Their role was known to me and everyone else from Day 1. Well I've said many times that it is difficult to know truth from guesswork, but if I've read up on the history correctly there wasn't actually a 'Governing Body' until 1971. Prior to this it seems it was a president and vice-president. I do know that I was never told about a GB in the late 60's. Quote. 'Don’t you think that means there used to be “old light?” ' No I think it means there were old lies and now there are new lies.
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    Quote @TrueTomHarley " Every project needs leadership. Once you grant persons that leadership, you refrain from undercutting them at every step. Why in the world should that be so hard to understand? " So Tom, did you grant the GB leadership ? Did you make the GB into the 'Faithful and discreet slave' ? Being God's true representatives here on Earth is not just any old project. Surely it should never even be compared to worldly projects. So, yes, some kind of organisation in needed. However you know me and how I go back over things soooo much. So I'm back to that scripture about the 10 men - Jew American Standard Version Zechariah 8:23 (ASV) Thus saith Jehovah of hosts: In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations, they shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you. My personal opinion is that the GB are not that 'Jew' . So i haven't 'granted those persons that leadership'. And I would suggest that they granted themselves that leadership. You didn't 'vote them in' did you ? Maybe you should consider what exactly a person is taught when they start having a 'Bible study' with JW's. I would say that they are not taught the 'workings' of JW Org. People believe that they will be studying God's word, but in fact they end up studying Man's word from a book, which only losely considers God's word. Many of the books that have been used as study books are now long gone and would cause embarrassment to 'modern day' JW's. The GB hide this by saying they have 'new light'. So whereas you may like to say I have mental illness and am infantile, I think I have reasonable thinking ability and at this point I have made a fair to good choice to not be part of the JW Org. Just a couple of points Tom before i go. To quote you That does not mean that when I appear on a forum where the majority seek its destruction and level one attack on it after another, I will say “you know, you’ve raise a good point there.” First point. Do you really think it is the aim of most on here to totally destroy the JW Org ? 2. Does that then mean that Jesus was seeking the destruction of the Pharisees when he criticized them ? 3. Why then are you on this forum ? 4. Will you ever say on here, “you know, you’ve raise a good point there.” ? Have a great day Tom and all of you.
  7. JOHN BUTLER
    Quote @BillyTheKid46 However, I do find it strange that John and James hone in on the same thing, my avatar. Can you explain, John why you haven't mentioned or call out the avatar of JWinsider, and Anna? or is it just another dense thought coming out of your head. I can see the true mental state your in. 😁 I see that Billy and TTH take their lead from the GB of JW Org. It's a bit strange how the GB, pretending to be the 'Faithful and discreet slave', yet accuse people of being mentally ill. However we can see here that some JW's act like parrots and use the same type of speech. The GB have obviously, deliberately used this idea of saying people are mentally ill, if such ones do not worship the GB and it's Org. And it can be seen to have worked well for the GB, as those that do worship the GB and it's Org are now using the same expressions. What does this show ? Well it seems to have shown that the GB and it's Org have misled and twisted the minds of a lot of JW's. These JW's will now say and do anything that the GB and it's Org tell them to do. This is obviously not serving God or Christ, it is serving the GB and it's Org. Back to one of Billy's points, that i hone in on his avatar. Billy may not want to remember but I have said previously that I cannot fully understand why anyone would want to hide behind an avatar. I've also said that i do not give serious attention to the comments of people that use avatars. However, when i upvote a comment, that is what i am doing, I am upvoting that particular comment, and when I thank a person for a particular comment, that is what I am doing, i am thanking a person for that particular comment. If Billy said something that I thought was right and sensible i would upvote it, in fact I think I have done so in the past. It matters not to me if a person should want my upvote, I do it anyway if I find the comment makes sense. Regarding @Anna I have said that I do not understand her as she seems to comment from 'both sides of the fence', but that is good I suppose as she is viewing both sides, whereas I am only viewing for the outside now. @JW Insider is just that i suppose. A JW that is prepared to give true information to us. So i can see a reason for the avatar. But the funny thing is when i think of all of you. I do not know who is male and who is female due to avatars. I suppose it should not matter really But to me Billy's and TTH's main problems seem to be that they do basically worship the GB / JW Org / Watchtower, and therefore will not have anything bad said against those things, even if the criticism is constructive and true. They seem not to believe that those Soc/ Orgs have dictated to the congregants that the congregants must believe everything the GB says, without question. And therefore the congregants are led along by false teachings some of the time.
  8. JOHN BUTLER
    Did you know the Org took on that name because it was convenient. It was a name that was already known by many. I believe it was thought up be a Catholic priest in a monastery, but i could be wrong. Did you know that the old argument between the names Yahweh and Jehovah still goes on ? And i presume you know it was YHWH or actually HWHY as the Hebrew writings were from right to left. So Yahweh would be much closer to YHWH than Jehovah would be.
  9. JOHN BUTLER
    Billy showing true colours i see. He says he's the 'only one in a den of thieves to speak out' yet he still hides behind his cowboy image. I thought Billy the Kid was a thief actually But more importantly it seems that after twelve months (well it seems that long) I'm actually reading some sensible balanced comments about 'my main issue' (as TTH loves to call it) . Thank you @JW Insider for opening up the can of worms that most JW's want to keep shut. And if anyone thinks I'm rubbing my hands with glee, no I'm just a little relieved that some truth is now coming out.
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    So God has given you the right to judge has he ? Maybe many who pass by have actually heard or read about the amount of Child Abuse within the JW Org. Maybe they see the JW Org as unsafe. Or maybe they know people that are being shunned for no good reason by the Org. I'm 69 and i don't think i will be alive when God brings Judgement day. I think it has to be a long way off from now. I think God will have a pure and honest earthly organisation, organised by communication from Jesus Christ in heaven to truly Anointed people here on Earth. People will know who to trust regarding God's message by the time Judgement arrives. As it is right now there is no pure honest organisation, so people are confused. 'Sheep without a shepherd' as Jesus said. The Bible tells us to serve Almighty God through Christ. So for my part I'm hoping Christ will make it clear who he is using here on this earth. It cannot be JW Org right now as that Org is unclean and has no spiritual direction. Just because JW's go earthwide pushing out a 'message' it does not mean that the message is from God or Christ. But you keep judging people Derek, you seem happy that way.
  11. JOHN BUTLER
    Quote @Anna Most churches separate kids from the parents. It is JW kids who stay with their parents all the time. Your JW 'world' must be totally different to the JW 'world' I knew. Children were always sitting with different people, in fact if a family had lots of children then their children could be spread all round the KH, each child with a different person. It was seen as being helpful to the parents, so that the parents 'could actually get some spiritual food from the meeting'. The parents had to gather up their children at the end of the meeting, which was never easy as the children used to 'go a bit wild' in the hall after the meeting was finished. Must have been around 30 to 40 children in my ex congregation. One family had seven children and they never all sat with their parents through public talk and W/t.
  12. JOHN BUTLER
    This may have been a reality, but not because the elders were known to be doing so, but rather because no one believed they really were doing it. If it was a victims word against an elder, the elder's denial may have been believed over the victim. Big difference. Thank you @Anna I rest my case.
  13. JOHN BUTLER
    To advise people to pray to God through Jesus Christ and then also to read their Bible is a good thing. To advise people to read literature from the GB and Writing department of Watchtower / JW Org, well i think we will just have to agree to differ .
  14. JOHN BUTLER
    Here in Devon England they also set up stalls at 'car boot sales' (in fields where people sell their personal possessions ), but in honesty I don't see people talking to them or taking magazines or books. I presume they still count the time but they are not really witnesses are they ? It looks kinda sad and i have mixed feeling when i see it. I never confront them, i just walk on by.
  15. JOHN BUTLER
    In London they stand by zebra crossings / pedestrian crossings, and just hand out tracts to people rushing by.
  16. JOHN BUTLER
    Oh dear poor billy is throwing his rattles out of his pram again, poor boy is having another tantrum. Go to the top of the page billy and read what it says and stop making yourself look so stupid. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES OPEN CLUB. Can we get one thing straight. This is a JW forum. This forum is about JW Org and how it is run / controlled. Get a life billy, go and have a coffee or something.
  17. JOHN BUTLER
    Well i actually have broadened out on things quite often. There is the misuse of scriptures, such as the two witness rule. There is the stupid excuse for changing the meanings of scriptures, calling it 'new light'. There is the shunning of people that either have left the Org of their own choice or were disfellowshipped in an unChristian way. And it looks like i have to repeat this again. This is a JW forum, not a Catholic one, not a Protestant one, not a Muslim one, not a worldly one, hence i talk about the JW Org and it's boses. The JW Org that pretends to be the only hope of salvation from this wicked world. Two important things. God's will being done and God's purposes being fulfilled. The JW Org, at this time is not doing either. The Org is full of disgusting things, and it teaches lies or deceptions. How will people come to know the truth about God and God's purposes ? The JW org is no different to any other religion spouting lies, so how can you boast about it ?
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    Another JW comparing the JW Org to the 'rest of the world'. Oh dear. Living in my house is much better than living in a sewer you know. That is the comparison these people are using. If Tom wants to quote Forrest Gump so be it. Quite funny this 'being no part of the world' but quoting a worldly film. Oh by the way Tom, whilst you are saying that your wife or friend helped a 16 year old, I'd like to remind you that lots of teenagers are desperate to leave the JW Org and many have already left it. And can you be sure that the message you offer today will be the same message you offer next week, or will the GB / writing dept have changed the meaning of scriptures again
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    Quite funny how Billy is comparing the JW Org to the nations, when the JW Org is supposed to be 'no part of this world'. I've said it before but it seems that JW's are tooooo blind or deaf or stupid to understand. If you want to compare the JW Org to something, do not use the world or the nations or 'on the streets' etc.... USE ONLY GOD'S STANDARDS TO COMPARE TO. We all know the world / nations / streets et al are all controlled by the devil and therefor disgusting places and well below God's standards. So why oh why do JW's even think about comparing JW Org to those devil controlled things. Is it because the JW Org is also controlled by the devil ? Actually Billy, i think i would chop off some of the fingers of proven Pedophiles. The last two fingers on each hand, so that their hands could not grip as well, and so that they would be recognised for what they are. God had people stoned to death so chopping off a few fingers is not so bad in comparison. Can we get one thing straight. This is a JW forum. This forum is about JW Org and how it is run / controlled. This is not a world topic forum. Hence I keep to the topic of this forum, JW's.
  20. JOHN BUTLER
    @TrueTomHarley Quote "You hone in like a laser on any report of CSA among JWs and publicly say that you care not a whit when it is reported anywhere else. How balanced is that? What is your interest here?" It's not that i don't care about the children that are being abused elsewhere, it's that the JW Org is totally different in it's way of 'gathering together to upbuild one another'. The JW Org pretends to be so clean and inviting. So we are back to the scripture where Jesus says about cleaning the inside of the bowl or dish, then the outside will also be clean. JW's go out into the ministry to invite families into Kingdom Halls. JW's go into people private houses / dwellings. JW's give private bible studies to children and take them out on the ministry. Most other religions do none of those things and if people visit churches as a family it would be most likely that the children would stay with their parents all the time. Of course in clubs such as football training, swimming lessons etc there is also a great danger as has been found out, but I'm concentrating on the one religion that goes out to the public and tell the public that they are the one and only way to gain salvation. The JW religion that puts on a front of cleanliness and goodness so as to entice people in, like the spider to the fly. The religion that uses a personal name for God, then brings shame on that name. Oh and I see you haven't forgotten your training from your superiors,, mentioning a person's mental health once again. It seems to be a JW thing now, a sort of regular dig at anyone that should dare speak the truth about JW Org.
  21. JOHN BUTLER
    @TrueTomHarley "No, John, you are reaching for straws, trying to manufacture a “reality” that does not exist. " Um, well I've just given an example that it does exist Tom. And investigations are now going on in many countries so it may show that it has existed even more than you like to think. Cases have been going to court for a few years now, it's not exactly new news. And if you read @JW Insider comment you may notice why the higher ups 'appear' squeaky clean. But it seems you need to serve your GB and it's Org so you are blinding yourself to reality. So be it Tom but I think you will have to face the truth one day.
  22. JOHN BUTLER
    Quote JW Insider "Also, in general, I think the evidence is strong that the higher up a person is in the organization, the more he has been protected from scandal, because that scandal was thought to reflect so badly when it is someone known by all the Witnesses of a specific country or, at least once in the past, even internationally..... " @JW Insider Thank you for a very well thought out and sensible comment. Very balanced. I particularly liked, and laughed at, this quote above. You are not really''fanning the flames' of my thoughts though as I've felt that it was that situation for a long time. Even the GB may have skeletons in their closets.
  23. JOHN BUTLER
    Ah but why in the past have accusations against elders been very rare ? Maybe because congregants were told to keep their mouths shut and not report it. Maybe because victims were disfellowshipped for 'slander' even though what they said was true. Maybe because of the two witness rule, where victims were not taken seriously. But I think there have been proven cases here in the UK too. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46131196 7th November 2018. A Jehovah's Witness elder has been jailed for five years for sexually assaulting a "terrified" schoolgirl. Brian Jenkins, who is now 75, groped the girl when she was aged between 12 and 14, while she was part of his congregation in Brecon, Powys. Jenkins, from Redditch, Worcestershire, was found guilty of six charges of indecent assault dating back to the 1970s at Merthyr Tydfil Crown Court. The court heard Jenkins was jailed for 21 months at Worcester Crown Court in 1991 for a series of similar sex offences. Rare is it Tom ?
  24. JOHN BUTLER
    No thanks, I'll leave it to JW's to go to other humans for spiritual food. Until I find out who the Anointed really are then I don't think I will be taking much notice of what any person says.
  25. JOHN BUTLER
    Or is it because they have exalted themselves with the title of 'Faithful and discreet slave', above all the anointed Earthwide ? They would have 'cut their teeth' on false teachings then it seems, teaching lies to innocent people. The very basics of the Soc / Org's teachings have changed and the meanings of scriptures too.
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