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  1. JOHN BUTLER
    Well at least this topic, and in fact this forum gives many people good reasons to use their brains, do research, and get involved in deep discussions. Mental exercise is as good as physical exercise, and spiritual exercise beats all .. Have a great day everyone
  2. JOHN BUTLER
    It's called sarcasm O.H. The GB pretend to be guided by Holy Spirit and JW's assume that the GB are guided by Holy Spirit, BUT there is quite a lot of evidence that the GB are NOT guided by God's Holy Spirit. You only have to look through topics on this forum to see the evidence that the GB are NOT GUIDED by GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT. MALICIOUS ? Um, do i intend to do harm to the GB ? NO....... My hope is for Almighty God our Heavenly Father to have a clean Organisation here on this Earth, for Him to work through. Whether that be a cleansed JW Org, or a different Organisation altogether is God's own choice. My purpose is to warn others of the misconception that the JW org is clean and upright and is being used by God at this time............. Because there is so much proof that the JW Org is not in God's favour right now.
  3. JOHN BUTLER
    Fantastic comment. But SM won't like it ofcourse
  4. JOHN BUTLER
    @Anna Quote : ".were you really expecting Thomas to say " “Unless I see in his wrists the print of the nails"? My thoughts are that Thomas was there and he saw exactly how Jesus was killed. So if he indeed said hands then hands it would have been. (Unless you think Thomas lied ?) However if the Greek word for hands could easily have meant wrists, then why would the GB not have it written as wrists ? After all they are 'supposed to be' guided by Holy Spirit are they not ?
  5. JOHN BUTLER
    Exactly right. And that is called dictatorship. Those men, 8 of them now, put themselves in power as the Faithful and Discreet slave. And no one (in their opinion) is allowed to have a different opinion to theirs. If you voice a different opinion you will disfellowshipped for 'causing a division in the congregation'. My own brother in an Elder and he confirms that this is the reason they use to remove people. The GB pretend they have the only route to God, whereas the bible tells us for sure that Jesus Christ is the one that is the 'doorway' between us and God. Proof of that being, we pray to God through Jesus Christ. John 14 v 6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
  6. JOHN BUTLER
    You think it is just frills because you do not understand or do not want to understand the point i was making. Is seems that most on here have missed the whole point of it. In the JW bible NWT, the GB have used the words hands and nails. But in that picture they have used wrists and one nail. Only one of those can be right. I prefer to believe the Bible. The GB approves the Bible translation so I presume they believe it too. So the picture must be wrong. Artistic licence should not be used to try to pretend lies are true. GB failure.
  7. JOHN BUTLER
    So what exactly had he read online ? Because this was another of my concerns for others in the Org. We had a brother murdered in my ex KH and i had been worried for other brothers and sisters. My concern was that with all the news about the Child Abuse Earthwide, bros and sis may get verbally or physically attacked locally when on the ministry. Hence i said it should be announced at KH meetings, warnings should be given about this specific thing. BUT of course the GB and the Elders don't want it discussed amongst the congregants do they. The GB and the Elders have a 'duty of care' to tell all congregation members exactly what is happening and what the consequences could be. Although I've left the JW Org my wife still attends meetings and occasionally goes on the ministry. I worry when she is out there, I worry for her and for others. Just because they are too frightened to talk to me doesn't mean i have no feelings for them. The JW's go out into the ministry not knowing the things people in the 'world' know about the Org. That is a dangerous situation to put them in.
  8. JOHN BUTLER
    Really ? They thought 1914, and 1975, so surely they think he is late now
  9. JOHN BUTLER
    OK. show me exactly where I have said the Watchtower is an inspired prophet ? I don't actually use the W/t as an example. I usually say the GB and JW Org. And who isn't wrong ? If you mean S. M. then one of his faults is that he lumps us all together, Srecko, me and others. If Srecko says something that SM doesn't agree with then SM on many occasions includes me in his reply. Please be 100% sure and have proof when you accuse me of saying / writing something. As for my opinions about the GB and the Organisation as a whole then i make true statements. If you call that judging ok so be it.
  10. JOHN BUTLER
    Very well worded and to the point. Fabulous comment. Thank you Srecko.
  11. JOHN BUTLER
    On Sunday at 02.10am Anna posted :- Member 1,010 1,467 posts Report post Posted Sunday at 02:10 AM " Well then we have nothing to worry about! For instance, before these days Theuʹdas rose up, saying he himself was somebody, and a number of men, about 400, joined his party. But he was done away with, and all those who were following him were dispersed and came to nothing. After him, Judas the Gal·i·leʹan rose up in the days of the registration, and he drew followers after himself. That man also perished, and all those who were following him were scattered. So under the present circumstances, I say to you, do not meddle with these men, but let them alone. For if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them. Otherwise, you may even be found fighters against God himself. (Acts 5: 36 -39) " Just to prove my point that in fact Anna did post it, but such a waste of space here and so tiresome. And you are right in one thing. Honest hearted one's love Jehovah. Yes, hence they would want no part of a disgusting Organisation that not only misleads people but hides pedophiles and allows Child Abuse. Remember how 'honest hearted ones' fled from Jerusalem before it was destroyed in 70 C. E. But Jerusalem had once been the capital of God's chosen people. It was God's temple, God's city, but no more. So it is with the JW Org and it's GB. Only, hopefully the Org or something similar will rise from the ashes after Jehovah has cleansed it all.
  12. JOHN BUTLER
    Actually I am facing up to my responsibilities more that most JW's that remains in the Org. I'm making it known how disgusting the GB and the JW Org is right now. Plus, on here and elsewhere, I'm learning 'new truth' about the lies and deceit the Governing Body have used to mislead people. My eyes have been opened wide to the rotten dictatorship of the GB. I think they will be removed, it's just a matter of time. Matthew 24 v 48 through 51. I'm scared of nothing because if i am totally wrong I feel God will forgive me. Take for example Saul that became the Apostle Paul. Saul thought he was serving God but Jesus Christ showed Saul the right way. So, if i am totally wrong then I have hope in God that His Christ will guide me to the right way. However at the moment I feel i am doing what God wants me to do. Please be aware however, i do not want the JW Org to be destroyed. I want it to be made clean by God through Jesus Christ.
  13. JOHN BUTLER
    This is what the scripture say at Matthew 24 from v 48 Are you arguing with scripture ? 48 “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know,c 51 and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be." This refers to your Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. Nothing to do with genuine people that can see the disgusting things going on in the JW Org and make positive reference to it all. You seem to have a problem with peaceful and purposeful protests, and complaints about mistreatment of themselves and others within the JW Org. So be it, the truth hurt me when i first found out about it all.
  14. JOHN BUTLER
    I get fed up with offering him either, He's never satisfied whatever you give him. A Unitarian that loves the JW Org it seems, by the things he writes anyway.
  15. JOHN BUTLER
    Kinda strange that your comment above makes it look as if i said something which in fact Anna said. But so be it. Anyway it's you that is missing the point. Dishonest religions and those against God have indeed been attacking the JW's for many years. However what you have to face up to now is entirely different. It is honest hearted ones that have found real problems within JW Org because of the GB's 'rules' and the misuse of 'power' by the GB and the Elders. It is from within the JW Org itself, people's real life experiences, that is showing how bad the GB is and how the Elders are just acting like puppets, doing the dirty work for the GB. Quite funny though the scripture Anna used, as it was referring to those that were against the Jewish religious leaders, and we know the results there don't we. Just remember " Otherwise, you may even be found fighters against God himself. " (Acts 5: 36 -39)
  16. JOHN BUTLER
    I stand corrected. Thank you
  17. JOHN BUTLER
    Once again you are funny. But however the situation isn't funny. And using the US Marines is a great example as it brings us back to COLLATERAL DAMAGE. It kinda proves my point really too. It seems Americans are raised on this stuff. And they seem to think it has to be so. "Everyone rises in rank to their own level of incompetency". Is this really how you see your GB ? I don't, I see them as deliberately deceitful, a big difference. The bit that bears repeating is the last few words "and allowed that for a Time being " Maybe that' time being' has now ended. Maybe Jehovah wants Jesus Christ to sort the GB and the JW Org out NOW. Maybe they are happy that some of us actually have a good conscience and will put ourselves at a disadvantage so that we are pleasing to God. Oh so easy to stay 'in the warm' and have one's ears tickled and have all those 'friends'. Not so easy to step outside 'into the cold' and be alone. But in the end God and Jesus Christ kow who does what for the right reasons.
  18. JOHN BUTLER
    Yes I believe Jehovah has allowed much wickedness within JW Org, and I believe He has withheld His holy spirit from the JW Org too. But think of it from a different direction, Jehovah has often listened to His people. Maybe He has been waiting for those with a proper conscience to complain and moan about the condition of JW Org. I've said for many years that JW's do not take serving God seriously enough. It becomes part of their life and just becomes routine. My own brother who is an Elder would actually watch television whilst studying. Others whilst on the ministry would be looking for things in people's gardens, such as old classic cars that might be for sale. Using the ministry as an excuse to nose into people's property. Yes I've seen these things with my own eyes, and they just laugh as if it's the right thing to do. Then at the KH they look so upright and proper. So two faced. And I honestly believe that Jehovah is now judging the GB, the JW Org, the Elders, and the whole situation. Hence I do believe that Jehovah will remove the GB and straighten out the JW Org, then I will most probably return. But I will not be part of the disgusting things going on in the Org now.
  19. JOHN BUTLER
    Seems to me you cannot handle the real truth. That is you own problem, you have to deal with it yourself.
  20. JOHN BUTLER
    With all the evidence so given, which is fantastic, Thank You all. I come back to one of my original points please. Why would the GB have it written in their translation of God's word that it was 'holes in the hands where the nails passed through. Then why would the GB then have a picture showing one nail through the wrists. With all the evidence you give I am now totally confused as to which is correct. But no matter and as some have said is it really important. However another of my original points is that the GB must have found it important as they gave a full page to that picture. In my opinion, whichever is correct, the GB have done wrong by contradicting God's word, in the picture.
  21. JOHN BUTLER
    I voted LEAVE on the UK Leaving the EU. I wasn't voting for a person, i was voting about a situation. We still have to live here on this Earth until we either die or Armageddon arrives.
  22. JOHN BUTLER
    I thought today's study article was good. Quite basic and practical. However the first sentence of paragraph 2 made me laugh. If it were true there would not be half the problems within the Org, the child abuse being a good example. Paragraph 7 first sentence also is almost funny, but not so because it contains God's name which should not be mocked. Paragraph 14 The last sentence says.. "... requires that we exercise empathy, putting ourselves in their situation to the extent possible." How many brothers or sisters actually do this ? How many have done this regarding Child Abuse victims ? I like the bit in paragraph 18 " there will be no more sickness, wars, inherited death, ..... Because of course there will still be death after Armageddon but it will be because people do not want to serve God properly. Paragraph 17 talks about, not telling people, they are not doing enough. However in truth this is not put into practice. People, including my wife, are being 'pushed' into doing more for the Org. All in all it made for a good read though. But it seems to be telling the congregants to do what people in the world do normally. Keep Displaying Love, Compare Matthew 5 v 43 through 48 “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous.i 46 For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? 47 And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? 48 You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Is this not showing that people in the world show love to one another. So it is obvious that JW's should do the same.
  23. JOHN BUTLER
    Thank you.
  24. JOHN BUTLER
    Was the Apostle Paul politically motivated when he chose to buy Roman citizenship for himself ?
  25. JOHN BUTLER
    The GB changed it twice. Firstly it was the Governmental Authorities, then it was God and Jesus, it is now back to the Governmental Authorities. It suited their purposes to change it. they are not inspired, not even guided, just devious. The GB has tried to make sure that no one else can disfellowship them. Probably another reason they say only they, 8 men, are the 'faithful and discreet slave'. Discrediting all the other Anointed and making them powerless.. The inquisition, as you call it, is very important. So that everyone can see the truth about the GB. How bad they really are .
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