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  1. JOHN BUTLER
    But you do seem to accept putting false information in the way of a picture in a book. A picture which goes totally against scripture
  2. JOHN BUTLER
    In Reading Berkshire England, the original KH has been sold, but there were two congregations using it. Now they have to use other halls. One of the congregations is using the Prospect Park KH which already had two congregations using it, so now has three. Each of the congregations from the original hall now has to travel much further to every meeting. Some of these Bros and Sis are very old and infirm. The GB or JW Org does not allow for purchase of minibuses to help congregants to attend meetings. WHERE IS THE LOVE ? WHERE IS THE CONSIDERATION ? No, it's all about the money. Here in Devon, we had meetings in Sidmouth years ago, but now the Sidmouth congregation has been 'merged' with Honiton congregation. Hence anyone from Sidmouth and surrounding areas has to travel much further and it obviously takes longer. Once again many folks are old as this is a retirement area. In the winter the evening meetings get far less attendance as many older people will not drive in the dark, especially when it's raining hard. So once again making it more difficult for the ones they pretend to love and care for.
  3. JOHN BUTLER
    It makes me happy knowing I'm now 69 years old and next year i will have served my sentence. 70 years. So maybe I can arrange to leave in a dignified way.
  4. JOHN BUTLER
    Wow, reliable info then. We can really trust such judgement, I don't think so
  5. JOHN BUTLER
    @Space Merchant Quote : I do not care about real terms? You have stated yourself such things is of an idea as if it does not exist, you show yourself to be a means to the problem to think of such in this way, which is the same case with those who profess the same attitude as you do, and thus problem ensues. People who are concern and caring take into account of any such persons with this based minded mentality, some to an extent, a mob mentality. So, by making a problem known you say i am causing a problem ? If a house was on fire and i made it known, would you then say I caused the fire ? The JW Org is a danger to young children and i will continue to make that known. And I'm proud that I make it known too. The GB, as you have said, are not inspired, and it would seem they are not even guided by Holy Spirit either. Remember, by their works you will know them. I am judging the GB by their works. What would be the point of that scripture if it was not for us to judge them ? Matthew 7 v 15 through 23. 15 “Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men.21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew* you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ I think Jesus made it clear enough here.
  6. JOHN BUTLER
    But Jesus said to him: “Do not try to prevent him, for whoever is not against you is for you. Luke 9 v 50. Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Luke 11 v23 @Space Merchant Regarding Islam. Are you just explaining about them or do you agree with them ? Because Jesus made is quite clear in the above scriptures that there is no middle ground. As for you keep asking ME about the inspired or uninspired prophets. I had not even mentioned such. That is why I say you keep linking me to other people. Others may have said it, but i didn't. The next claim is that JWs have a demonic influence, as brought up by Witness. so why blame me ? Once again you link me to someone else.
  7. JOHN BUTLER
    I thought I'd just share this. Please read the whole article before judging it. 'Punished' for being sexually abused in York County: Jehovah's Witnesses' culture of cover-up THE CHURCH ISOLATES ITS MEMBERS, SHAMES AND SHUNS VICTIMS WHO COME FORTH AND INSTRUCTS ELDERS TO KEEP REPORTS SECRET. AND CHILDREN ARE BEING ABUSED. https://eu.ydr.com/story/news/2018/11/13/jehovahs-witnesses-culture-shrouds-child-sexual-abuse-york-county-pennsylvania-molest-coverup/1837435002/
  8. JOHN BUTLER
    I read part of this lot but I give up on you SM. You talk too much but say very little in real terms, You go over and over the same stuff. Not all Germans were Nazis. No but it took most of Germany to do what they did in WW2. It wasn't just one or two of then was it ? The problems in the JW org start at the top with the GB, and then filter down via the levels of 'authority' to the Elders. The Elders act on the orders of the GB. It's almost a dictatorship. But you SM have no real idea..........................
  9. JOHN BUTLER
    If it were that good and that easy i would think the GB would get hundreds of letters a week . I actually don't think a letter would get past the first 'hurdle'. Each of us to our opinions of course, but I'm going by the response I got from London Bethal, and from the lack of response I got from the letter I wrote to the BODY OF ELDERS at Honiton Congregation (my ex KH). That letter was only seen by two of the Elders it seems and one of them threatened to disfellowship me.
  10. JOHN BUTLER
    @Space Merchant Whenever i or others say anything true about the JW org and its GB then SM says we are talking 'false information and conspiracy'. OK SM it's your choice whom you believe. But a lot of evidence has been placed here on this forum showing that the GB tell lies. You may call it making mistakes if you wish. Why would God and Jesus even bother to have a Faithful and Discreet Slave if Jesus was not going to pass on perfect truthful information to them ? Why would God even bother to have an Organisation named after Him, if He was not going to have Jesus do things properly ? You are insulting God Himself and Jesus Christ by agreeing with any thoughts that say the GB of the JW Org are the Faithful and Discreet Slave. Why so ? Because the GB and the JW Org have been proved wrong so many times. So they cannot have God's backing or Christ's. As for your idea that "He does not know that the actions of alone person a killer, a pedophile, a con man, even if that person is in the church of Jehovah's Witnesses, the actions of such a man does not define all of them." Um, How many Pedophiles ? How much Child Abuse ? How many Elders Earthwide have been convicted ? The Two Witness Rule of the GB carried out by the Elders. Where ? Earthwide. The Child Abuse where ? Earthwide. The Shunning that affects thousands of people where ? Earthwide. So your stupid idea of the actions of alone person a killer, a pedophile, a con man. Hold no water at all. Because it is hundreds if not thousands of wicked ones within the JW Org. And it is because of the GB's rules and the Elders acting as puppets, that things have been allowed to happen.
  11. JOHN BUTLER
    And you think the GB would actually receive any letters from us folks ? Surely they have 'office staff' that open all the mail ? And writing to the UK Bethal is of no use, as i found out already. Response was horrid, no love there.
  12. JOHN BUTLER
    Yes but those ones WILL get a resurrection, and many of them didn't die spiritually did they ? They are in God's memory. In this time of supposed 'end' disfellowshipped ones may not get the chance according to your JW Org and GB.
  13. JOHN BUTLER
    Oh dear did I ruffle your feathers. How sad for you. TRUTH HURTS get over it.
  14. JOHN BUTLER
    Oh dear S. M. you do love to fill the page with words, don't you. Repeating the same old stuff over and over again. You are a parrot. You read things and repeat it. YOU DO NOT HAVE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE OF IT. Yes the GB and JW Org are still there but they are in trouble, not from Christendom, but from ex members who have suffered and now see the truth. Ex members of JW Org and even some current members in disguise, make known the disgusting things that go on in the JW Org. The protests that you hate are by people that have been hurt by the GB rules. Some of them find it hard to hold back their pain so release it in a negative way. That is wrong of course but it shows the pain they feel. You seem to be 'playing it safe' by being a Unitarian and also supporting the JW's. You also seem to support other religions, even Islam. What makes you think that any of us do not make God's word known. Are we not even here speaking up for what is right in God's eyes ? BUT we do not invite people into a known danger, or a known Organisation that teaches lies and pretends to be guided by God. Do not be mistaken, Jehovah's Witnesses and their GB, DO NOT OWN GOD. We can serve God through Jesus Christ and we do not need that Organisation.
  15. JOHN BUTLER
    Um, so where does this leave us with the GB being guided or nor guided by Holy Spirit ? The GB put that picture in the book as a statement of fact. A full page picture. JW's are not supposed to question it at all. BUT in their NWT they have translated it as hands=plural and nails=plural. Now it is obvious to anyone that both things cannot be true. Although this is only a small matter it does relate to the scripture at Luke 16 v 10 that states New International Version "Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much. New Living Translation "If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. But if you are dishonest in little things, you won't be honest with greater responsibilities. English Standard Version “One who is faithful in a very little is also faithful in much, and one who is dishonest in a very little is also dishonest in much. Berean Study Bible Whoever is faithful with very little will also be faithful with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much. Berean Literal Bible The one faithful in very little is also faithful in much, and the one unrighteous in very little is also unrighteous in much. New American Standard Bible "He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much; and he who is unrighteous in a very little thing is unrighteous also in much. King James Bible He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. Just a few translations for anyone that doesn't like me keep using the NWT.
  16. JOHN BUTLER
    @James Thomas Rook Jr........ they announced from the platforms that it was I who had been disfellowshipped. It was then I permanently lost all the friends I had grown up with in the "Truth", but I was working in California, and did not find out until I returned home, to Richmond, Virginia. So would you tell me please what is your position in or out of the JW Org right now ? You've probs already done this but my brain just goes and all becomes so fuzzy. I'm only 69, is it dementia already ?
  17. JOHN BUTLER
    Dear old Tom. It is you that cannot distinguish between what is important and what is not. The fact that people have probably died because of lies told by your GB and the puppet Elders. And the fact that your GB act like Hitler giving orders which result in disfellowshipping people, which is in fact, in the eyes of the GB, killing people spiritually, which will eventually kill them physically at Armageddon.
  18. JOHN BUTLER
    What rubbish you write. Complying has nothing to do with cheerleading or campaigning against. Complying means obeying rules laid down by others. In this case it's the GB and the puppet Elders laying down the rules for all JW's to obey. It's quite simple OBEY or GET DISFELLOWSHIPPED. There are no other options in the JW Org.
  19. JOHN BUTLER
    This is all heavy vibes here. As for who is anointed and who isn't, not my place to judge on that one. But if those of the anointed cannot agree then i have no hope on finding truth.The scripture about ten men clinging to the skirt of a 'Jew' comes to mind, but if we have no idea who the spiritual Jew is then what hope can we have ? Tow questions, Why would you have to go to a JW Memorial to partake ? Why could you not find others of the Anointed and get together for your own Memorial ?
  20. JOHN BUTLER
    Your comment is perfect, and so true. When i have said these things I have been greatly criticized. You are almost saying as i have said. The Elders are only puppets for the GB. The Elders do not want to think for themselves. They only want to keep their positions of power in the Organisation. And the GB and it's puppet Elders are only interested in making the JW Organisation 'look good' from the outside. How right Jesus was when he explained to clean the inside of the bowl or dish so that the outside would also be clean. As a note, my wife is not baptised because she doesn't want to be controlled by the Elders or the GB. She realised a long time ago the same things you are saying.
  21. JOHN BUTLER
    My head goes fuzzy after reading so many comments. So please answer in a very simple way 1. Are you agreeing with me that the picture in that book is wrong ? 2. And that the GB has no real honest basis to give them reason to produce such a picture ? Remembering that the GB expect everyone of the JW's to believe everything they say or put in print.
  22. JOHN BUTLER
    I think we've been over this point already. So the GB could have used the word wrist in the NWT if they were sure that it was the wrist not the hands. But no, they used 'hands' plural and nails plural. You are still a mile away from the truth of it all. They still contradicted themselves. YOUR GB ARE NOT THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE CLASS, AND THEY KEEP MAKING IT SO SO SO CLEAR. Nearly 10 pm here in Devon England. Goodnight to you all.
  23. JOHN BUTLER
    This is the Anointed man Paul writing to the Hebrew congregation, not writing to the 12 Apostles. Now, Quote : "I take it that we have most of the more important things in order." ........ But how would you know ? This is what I'm saying, how can anything the GB says be trusted........... Luke 16 v 10 says, The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much. So as the GB are unrighteous in what is least, then it follows ( as this scripture says) they are unrighteous in much. They are only making progress in blinding more people with rubbish. (Replace 'rubbish' with stronger word if you wish)
  24. JOHN BUTLER
    @JW Insider Quote : So what does it matter if more evidence might come to light that indicates that the "stauros" was actually a two-beamed cross as depicted in traditional pictures? What matters is that JW's seem to believe everything the GB say and do, so the GB have a responsibility to be 100% positive that what they write or picture is 100% right. Jesus' words at Matthew 5 v 48 He was talking to those that would become of the Anointed. 48 You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Are you going to argue with Jesus here ?
  25. JOHN BUTLER
    Well it is certainly true that if you spin a long enough yarn some people might believe you. I for one don't. You have written much that in real terms says little. Let us put it simply. The GB are supposed to be of the Anointed. There are of course many more Anointed but the GB, those 8 men, pretend to be superior. The GB pretend to be the 'Faithful and Discreet slave'. Matthew 24 v 45. “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Or Luke 12 v 42 42 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time? (The Luke scripture say s much more. ) So if your GB were who they say they are, they would indeed have a very special relationship with Jesus Christ and God. Jesus in now 'basically' in charge, having received authority from God, so the GB would be receiving special spiritual guidance from Jesus. .. Jesus is not going to give false information or tell lies. So it is obvious that the 'food' the GB are giving out is not from Jesus Christ or from God Himself. You have said that Truth is not the same as Accurate Knowledge... I would say that truth can only come from accurate knowledge. And why would Jesus give inaccurate knowledge anyway ? The proof is there for all to see. The GB are fake prophets.
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