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  1. JOHN BUTLER
    I would suggest you ignore Melinda Mills. She is like an Ostrich with her head buried in the sand. Nicole, you are completely right. We know from true life experience that the GB make rules and the Elders act like policemen. This is the same as shunning, JW's don't know why they have to do it, they just do it out of fear. They are frightened to be reported to the Elders. Allowed is the right word. You are right.
  2. JOHN BUTLER
    Wow, just wow. Great stuff but all beyond me. So to think that every JW does all this to prove to themselves that what they believe is true. That's amazing. That is what you call studying God's word.
  3. JOHN BUTLER
    Because I'm showing each point on each topic individually. You actually proved that be saying i do it on every topic. But the idea is to stay on topic and prove my point at the same time. Thereby showing in each case how bad the GB is.
  4. JOHN BUTLER
    What has to be worried about is this :- 1. Bringing God's name into disrepute. 2. Stumbling those already in the JW Org. 3. Taking false information to those 'on the doors'. 4. Showing up the JW Org as something that cannot be trusted at all.
  5. JOHN BUTLER
    JW's use the word allowed, and people talking about JW's use the allowed, because it is 'what is allowed and what isn't' by the GB. The GB are dictators. That is a simple fact. The GB make rules that is another simple fact. JW's have to submit to the GB rules or get disfellowshipped, another simple fact.. Anyone questioning the GB is disfellowshipped for 'causing a division in the congregation' that is another simple fact. You need to wake up and see the reality of the JW Org and it's GB. It's a bit like saying that Germans in 1940 could talk against Hitler and disobey him. Yes of course physically they could, but they would die for it. And in the JW Org congregants ae told they will get disfellowshipped / spiritually die, if they go against the GB and against the Org. So the word 'allowed' is the right word to use when referring to the GB and the JW ORG.. .
  6. JOHN BUTLER
    @JW Insider your information is fantastic but you are way above me on all of this. I'm such a simple man, BUT so are so many people. My point being made is, so many people are 'simple' 'down to earth' 'not highly educated' 'not having all these Bible aids' and in honesty not capable of being able to do such research. Will none of you people understand ? Will none of you realise how much responsibility your GB has ? You GB sends you out to preach to people that have no knowledge or understanding of God's word. In fact as time goes on many people now have no knowledge of anything and some can barely read or write properly. Yes even here in the UK. You may say, it isn't the GB that sends you out, it is God through Jesus Christ. Yes of course it is, but the GB are the ones that 'feed' you the information that you should 'feed' to others. Hence the GB have people's lives in their hands. Your lives and the ones you preach to. If, as can be seen on the topics here, it is proved the GB tell lies, make mistakes, get things wrong. How is this being guided by God? You are going out with lies, false information, false hopes in some cases. Is this really how God and Jesus wants the work done ?
  7. JOHN BUTLER
    Having read through all the comments and had a good laugh, i am now more convinced than ever of the GB not being the FDS. It seems some people need to hang on desperately to the 'cliff edge', being frightened of losing their 'faith' in thier GB. The points are quite simple. The NWT is a 'readable' bible. It uses 'readable words'. The translators have a very great responsibility to God and to 'men'. Yet at John 20 v 25, it chooses to use the words HANDS and NAILS, both in the plural. I am sure it the translators felt it would be right, they would have used the word 'wrists' if that word was also a meaning of the original 'cheir' Another point I have just noticed and this may be important. in the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greeks Scriptures. In the GREEK writing, the word for hands at John 20 v 25 is different to the word for hands at Acts 12 v 7. I looked and looked at this to be sure I was right, and it is different. I do so wish I could read Greek and Hebrew. So back to the picture and the John 20 v 25 scripture..... And another question/s. Is the GB trying to persuade / convince people of things that they themselves do not even know for sure ? if so is that even a spiritual thing to do ?
  8. JOHN BUTLER
    @Outta Here Quote "I fail to see the relevance of your GB jibes in this.They are like a sort of phonic tic that keeps appearing in your postings, regardless of subject matter." I am proving that the GB are not the 'faithful and discreet slave' and therefore they cannot give the true spiritual food at the right time. Myself and others on this forum are showing quite clearly that the GB very often get things wrong. it is only people such as yourself that worship the GB by not questioning them, that cannot see truth in front of your own eyes. Myself and others here have shown that the GB at times deliberately 'get things wrong' or more likely, deliberately tell lies. They deliberately make misquotes trying to prove false points. That is not just the opinion of one person (myself) but of many ex Jw's and current JW's.
  9. JOHN BUTLER
    No, rather the GB have the high opinion of themselves. And more so since they have become 'screen stars'. We get back to the point that according to scripture all of the Anointed should be the Spiritual Jew, but the majority of the Anointed are pushed to the sidelines and the GB also stated in writing that some may even be mentally ill. And the GB make themselves, only those 8 men, the 'faithful and discreet slave'. But they are not able to prove that and they say that they are not inspired. So, who gave them permission to call themselves the FDS ? Who gave them permission to say some may be mentally ill ? Who gave them permission to judge who should be the important ones and who should not ? Unfortunately you are worshipping you GB by not even questioning them.
  10. JOHN BUTLER
    Zechariah 8 v 23. “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’” The Anointed are the spiritual Jew. In my opinion it is all of the Anointed, not just, or even, the GB. Micah 4 v 2 And many nations will go and say:“Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah And to the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.”For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. The GB put themselves in the place of Jesus, and they compare themselves to Moses. They exalt themselves above the others of the Anointed. This has all been shown on here many times and it gets tiresome. The GB are pretending to be that spiritual Jew. JW's are falling for it hook, line and sinker. JW's think that the JW Org' is going up that mountain to Jehovah. The mountain is supposed to be high above all else. But just look at the truth of it all. Shown many times on here. The GB and the JW org / Watchtower are not that mountain, they are not above any other. They are full of disgusting things. False teachings, dictatorship, Child Abuse, lack of love, misguidance, 'U' turns on various man made rules and much more.... In the 1st Century the Greek scriptures were only being written. They were actually living it. Nowadays we have it all in many languages, and lots of the early manuscripts to check thing by. All the information is readily available. BUT, what i don't see is anyone showing that they are inspired of God. The Bible is inspired of God. it needs those Spiritual Jews that should be inspired of God also. Otherwise how will anyone know who to 'take firm hold of ? (Enough for one day, 8pm, my wife wants me to go and watch a film with her on Netflix )
  11. JOHN BUTLER
    @Outta Here still doesn't want to see truth. but I've said it above for all to see.
  12. JOHN BUTLER
    So you disbelieve the account of Thomas and his words ? So be it , you turn against God's word. The GB have obviously turned against God's word by using that picture. Remember : NAILS = PLURAL, HANDS PLURAL NOT WRIST WITH ONE NAIL. HANDS NAILS... It could not be any clearer. Luke 16 v 10. The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much. Have a good day.
  13. JOHN BUTLER
    My goodness, a dictatorship. what were they frightened of ? I'm in shock !
  14. JOHN BUTLER
    The GB are humans. They are not inspired. they make rules. So the rules are human rules.
  15. JOHN BUTLER
    As an update : I'm looking on Ebay at Hebrew Interlinear translations. Some are very expensive and i don't exactly have £50 to spend. Any sensible suggestions as to a particular version i should be going for ? There are Strong's on ebay for less than £20 GBP but, A, i don't exactly know what I'm buying, and B, would i even know how to use it ? Help !!!!!
  16. JOHN BUTLER
    Dismissed for growing a beard ? On what grounds ? Was he disfellowshipped or just put down a peg or two ? And it seems a bit suspicious that the Hebrew Interlinear was 'forbidden'. Surely it was a study aid ? Did it reveal too much truth to others ? As i keep saying, the plot thickens ....... Thank you for all the information. And as for the info' on the Hebrew Interlinear, it's no wonder i could not get a straight answer from the Elders
  17. JOHN BUTLER
    A couple of points here :- There is no mention in either of those scriptures of needing a Governing Body of 8 men to rule over others. And, you completely FAIL to answer the questions about THOMAS and the amount of NAILS used, and where those NAILS were PLACED. COMPLETE FAILURE ON YOUR PART. One more point. You and Anna say that it is not important 'what shape instrument was used' when Jesus was killed. However your GB must think it is important enough because they show a whole page picture of it, and even then they get it wrong.
  18. JOHN BUTLER
    You must be a JW because you try to twist things just like the Kid does. It was you that said 'the sooner the better' So i presume it's what you want. But even though you have twisted it I will give a response so that all can see my viewpoint. Which many know already anyway. I want the 8 men, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, all removed from their position and removed from the Organisation completely. Just as Jesus said about the Wicked Slave :- 48 “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, 51 and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be. Yep i think that is what the GB have coming to them.... But the JW Organisation, well if it is what Jehovah wants to use then he will clean it out first.
  19. JOHN BUTLER
    So do you believe the GB of JW Org are God's spokesperson here on Earth ? If so they will have the lives of million of people to answer for on judgement day, or before.
  20. JOHN BUTLER
    Are you wanting the Watchtower and JW organisation to go out of business soon ?
  21. JOHN BUTLER
    Please talk to the Governing Body and tell them your exact words as written here, as the GB sure do a lot of bluster on many issues, by your standards it seems.
  22. JOHN BUTLER
    I love the way you both jump to the defence of the Gb and the JW Org. They say a picture paints a thousand words, so please look at the picture. Now tell me is this truth of lies ? Or guesswork ? Where is that nail ? What were Thomas' words ? Nails in the hands. Not using the cross because the church used it ? Um, they use Jehovah's name and wasn't it a Catholic monk that started that name ? The name Jehovah already occurs repeatedly in the 13th Century in the Latin form of Jehovah. The Spanish monk Raymond Mantini, translated about 1270 different parts of the Bible from the Hebrew. In his manuscripts is on the right side the Hebrew text and on the left the Latin with Iehovah.Cardinal Nikolaus of Kues used the Tetragrammaton vocalized as Jehovah in several of his works, 1428, in his Sermon In Principio Erat Verbum.Petrus Galatinus published in the year 1518 his work "De Arcnis catholicae veritatis".As William Tyndale, translated the Pentateuch 1530, he transferred the Tetragrammaton also by using the word Jehovah. So, is the name Jehovah a false name ? It seems the Bible Students used the name Jehovah because it was already known so people could relate to it. But I digress, the point here is the lie that picture tells.
  23. JOHN BUTLER
    I cannot see the NWT on that chart . I have a 1985, The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, which I found useful at times. A couple of questions, which i never ever got answered in my former JW congregation :- 1. Was this translation of the Greek ever updated ? 2. Was a similar translation of the Hebrew scriptures ever produced ? I like the 'new' NWT and find it very readable. However i would love to have Hebrew and Greek direct word for word translations from a good source. Knowing which is a good source is the problem.
  24. JOHN BUTLER
    In context. Acts 15 was written at a time when people literally drank the blood of dead gladiators. That is context. It is what was happening in their world at their time. That is why such a warning or direction was given. S.M may have information about people actually drinking blood now. If so then that same direction would prove true now. But blood is blood, chopped into a million pieces it will still be blood. So, if blood is forbidden by GOD then the GB are giving false instruction about blood fractions. Of course you are entitled to your opinion and for you to act on your own opinion is right. For what human has a right to judge you ? None. My opinion is that blood transfusions are not in opposition to God's word. I use the scripture at Matthew 12 v 9 to 12 where Jesus says it was right to break the Sabbath rule for the right reasons. In my opinion Jesus was meaning much more than the Sabbath rule here. He was talking about saving lives.
  25. JOHN BUTLER
    Thank you for such a constructive comment. However we still have the point that the latest NWT uses the word naked in connection to Peter when he was fishing and saw Jesus on the seashore. Why did the GB / translator use naked and not lightly clad ? Also I would be pleased if you would comment on my new topic concerning how Jesus was killed Stake or Cross. And the amount of nails in his hands and where those nails were placed. Thank you.
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