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  1. JOHN BUTLER
    And i still disagree with you. I don't care what you study and what you know. You have great knowledge but do you have experience of the JW Org personally ? You are not one and I presume you would not be one. Many of the victims Earthwide have said they were not believed because of the two witness rule. Don't believe it, ok, have your own thoughts on it all. Having been a JW in more than one congregation, for many years,  i know how some Elders work. Having been threatened with being disfellowshipped by an elder that didn't have the authority to do it, I have seen their 'works'. They do not go by the rules all the time, or, in fact, it's more the point of, the written rules on paper are just a front. Those things you might read on paper, written by the Governing Body or more likely by their Legal Departments, are all a complete front. They do it because it's what is expected of them. But they don't live by it. Become a JW yourself if you think they are so right. Spend five years in the JW Org, see the things that really happen. Otherwise stop pretending to know things that you have no real idea about. Â
  2. JOHN BUTLER
    I stand corrected, thank you. But the rest of the comment still stands. When Paul wrote those words he didn't know about the other scriptures to follow. Nor did he know about a 'Bible' being formed. I have now corrected the first comment. I should think more deeply before i write Â
  3. JOHN BUTLER
    Who is the 'we' in these cases ? In Australia it seems they had been collecting information about the Pedophiles in the Org for over 50 years. And in the USA in 1997 the GB started to collect info about the same thing. Though I would think that unofficially the GB had been collecting info for as long as Australia Org had. So to presume that the GB / Org 'assumed that kids lie and elders tell the truth' seems a bit far fetched. And the bit about 'built into the system for decades'. Do you mean built into the JW Org from the GB ? And it's back to, Why wouldn't the GB and its legal departments hand over all the information to the authorities in the USA? It's not a question of the legal standing surely, it's a question of what is right in God's eyes. They even tried to resist here in the UK, but gave some of the info' eventually. Did they give all the info' in Australia ? Why has each country acted differently ? It's God's standards that need to be upheld not legal standards of each country. And, are things the same now ? The two witness rule still applies doesn't it ? They can accuse two adults of opposite sex of committing fornication with no witnesses, but will not believe a child or its parents when abuse has taken place. And it seems they don't even think about two people of the same sex having a sexual relationship. Brothers can live in a house together, go anywhere together and no questions. But if one brother and one sister should dare to go anywhere together they are accused of fornication. Very old fashioned human way of thinking. Not scriptural at all.
  4. JOHN BUTLER
    Ah, but what would you do to a man that had assaulted someone else, someone not able to defend themselves ? Would you turn away and say it's not my business ?
  5. JOHN BUTLER
    "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness," 2 Timothy 3 v 16 Was this in it's way a small prophecy ? The 2nd book of Timothy was written 65 C.E. However 1,2,3, John and Revelation were written much later. So we have two points, 1. The writings were not complete when Paul wrote that information. 2, The Bible had not been constructed so no idea would have been formed as to what the Bible would contain. Were there other writings ? Would they be considered as Scripture? It seems that Paul was inspired to write that "All scripture is inspired.... "
  6. JOHN BUTLER
    "The Truth". How widely meaning and many areas are covered in this word. Yes, too many areas and too many meanings. In a law court people will swear on the Bible to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth... But it means nothing to person that wants to tell lies. Swearing on the Bible would just be one more lie for them to tell. And with Bible truth, who really knows. Do you think God meant all of us to go as far as Strong's Concordance to study His word ? I think not. And in my opinion, I feel that only the Anointed can have the 'true' understanding. I think that an Anointed class Earthwide is needed to get full understanding. This is a long way from the JW, Governing Body viewpoint. They think it is only them 8 men that can pass on understanding to us all... I think God will show us all who the real Anointed are when He is ready to reveal it to us. Until then we just have to wait. 
  7. JOHN BUTLER
    I never was interested in war or hero worship.
  8. JOHN BUTLER
    Sorry i was a bit harsh with you, but you do tend to make light of the serious stuff sometimes which annoys me. Well I'm only a sinner so get a bit urrrr sometimes. I wrote something on my Facebook page one time. "Which is worse. Hate based on reality or Love based on lies?" I still haven't figured out the answer to it yet. What have you stayed to fight ? The world or the GB of JW org ? What you've said seems to say, that putting something wrong in the place of something that is more wrong, is ok.
  9. JOHN BUTLER
    For some of us there are emotions / feelings in between Love and Hate. We should love our neighbours, but can't say a i do. I tend not to get involved with my neighbours, but i do consider their feelings when i do things outside of the house. So in my opinion showing consideration is a way of showing love, but in an indirect way. For some people, those that have had a good upbringing and have been shown love, it is probably easier to show love to others. But when life has kicked you down for more than half a century then showing love becomes more difficult. God understands all this of course, but never expect people to understand. I show 'love' to some people by just completely ignoring them. Well it's better than doing them harm  . Hate, I think we all hate something or someone at times. We are all sinners and fall short in many ways. But you know the things i hate, no need to repeat them again.Â
  10. JOHN BUTLER
    Raised on lies and the ideas and orders of the GB. Wow a wonderful upbringing. Stop calling it the Truth, because it isn't. That is just how you and yours have been brainwashed. You must surely know how many times the GB and their writers have changed 'opinions' on things and changed the meaning of scriptures. The 'superior authorities' scripture for instance, the 'this generation' scripture' is another. The timing of Armageddon, the length of the 'creative days'. And you call it Truth ? It was all lies. And you raised your children on it. Do they ever talk about the Child Abuse in the Org, Earthwide ? Do you all sit around the table and talk about how much children have suffered because of the rules form the GB ? And now your son is an Elder, a GB puppet and Org police officer. He will have decisions to make. Will he do what is right or will he obey the GB ?
  11. JOHN BUTLER
    And all the while the Org / GB / Elders were hiding Pedophiles and allowing Child Abuse and using the Two Witness rule as an excuse. And would you tell me the GB are not hypocrites ?
  12. JOHN BUTLER
    Amos 5 v 13 & 14 13 Therefore, those with insight will keep silent at that time, For it will be a time of calamity.14 Search for what is good, and not what is bad, So that you may keep living.Then Jehovah the God of armies may be with you, Just as you say he is. I know nothing of your message bible but it seems to have it's own words. Very strange. But read the whole chapter and you will get it in context. However you say, 'but having respect for what he is using', Um, stop there. It is your opinion that Jehovah is using them, not mine. And when a person looks into the lies and misquotes, and backtracking, that the GB do, then a person can see that the GB is not being used as some people may think.
  13. JOHN BUTLER
    I left the JW Org at the beginning of this year due to the massive amount of Child Abuse / Pedophilia that has been and still is allowed to go on in the JW Org. All you say about serving God, be it Yahweh or Jehovah, had no connection to the JW Org. This is something I'm trying to get into people's heads. The JW Org does not 'own' God. God, through Jesus Christ is available to anyone, not just through your GB. The GB have in fact put themselves in the place of Jesus Christ. They have said many times in the past, and it has been shown here on this website, that the GB have said, people can only be saved through Armageddon by being part of JW Org and by doing exactly what the GB say. Now that is putting themselves in the place of Jesus and its totally wrong.
  14. JOHN BUTLER
    Yes but some pretend to have authority, so they demand attention. Whereas others are just honest in their thoughts and comments.
  15. JOHN BUTLER
    Explain please. I don't pretend to be of the Anointed. I am not a puppet Elder. I am open about the fact that I don't understand many things in God's word. I'm not asking anyone to follow me.
  16. JOHN BUTLER
    You say many things that you have no proof of. You seem to be just another puppet JW. The name Jehovah was in use for a very long time before the JW's started using it. A Catholic monk maybe, started using the name ? As for comparing your GB with Jesus that is totally wrong. Jesus PROVED who he was, even resurrecting people in God's name. What have your GB done ? Nothing but make a name for themselves in the wrong way. You say, What organization brought the Truth to us? i say not the GB of the JW Org. Because they tell so many lies, or mistakes as they would call it. And even in the Revelation book they had to say on page nine, "It is not claimed that the explanations in this publication are infallible." Wow, really had faith in God then didn't they ? They have known all along that what they say is pure guesswork. You think Jesus appointed your GB ? Dream on. Martha, I kind of feel sorry for you. I'm not anti-JW Org completely, but I really cannot understand how anyone could swallow it all hook, line and sinker. Without any questions, not even about the Child Abuse, the Shunning, oh dear.....
  17. JOHN BUTLER
    Luke 17 v 1&2. Then he said to his disciples: “It is unavoidable that causes for stumbling should come. Nevertheless, woe to the one through whom they come! 2 It would be more advantageous for him if a millstone were hung from his neck and he were thrown into the sea than for him to stumble one of these little ones. The GB should take not.
  18. JOHN BUTLER
    “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14 v 26). Yes very strong words indeed. But i still think they were addressed only to the Anointed.
  19. JOHN BUTLER
    The 'average publisher' doesn't even get inside the person's house to give a study. Hence they brought in the idea of 'having a small study' on the doorstep. Many 'studies' are just old folk that want someone to talk to or someone to do their shopping for them. It sounds really impressive when someone has 3 or 4 studies, until you find out the details of what the 'study' actually consists of.
  20. JOHN BUTLER
    And this backs up what i've said before about congregants being frightened of the Elders. It's a sad life sometimes being a JW.
  21. JOHN BUTLER
    Yep, Elders are just puppets of the GB. Child Abuse needs TWO WITNESSES Two people in the same house needs NO WITNESSES. I know two brothers that share a house. Now you guys have been talking about hetrosexual relationships, BUT, what about homosexual relationships ? Oh dear the plot thickens. And I've known many occasions where one brother and one sister have gone out into the countryside to do the 'door to door ministry'. If it were me, and an Elder asked me, I would tell him to find something better to do. I would make it known to the whole congregation exactly what i was being accused of. Elders need putting in their place sometimes. They are supposed to be 'servants' of the congregation, but they try to 'lord over it'. Shepherds, Imitate the Greatest Shepherds 10 Jesus expects elders to treat the flock the same way that he treated it. They must be willing to serve their brothers and sisters, instead of acting as their masters. (from JW org) Jehovah God will judge each of us individually through Jesus Christ. People / men, are needed of course, to run any organisation, or it would not be organised. But they should know their limits and even question their superiors if needs be. Elders treating the GB as if the GB are gods, does not help the situation, and indeed it has caused many of the present problems within the Org.
  22. JOHN BUTLER
    This is all good stuff but it proves to me that God only gives the right information, through Holy spirit, to those whom He chooses. Hence for everyone to read the bible does not always prove good. Even those that study Theology don't get it right all the time.. We know of course that The Word / Jesus, was created by God the Father. Jesus made it so clear on many occasions. Such as saying :- The Father is greater than i am... And at Mark 13 v 32 “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father."
  23. JOHN BUTLER
    The Mosaic law was only for the Nation of Israel though the principles of that Law are carried through in the Greek Scriptures. And one point i noticed from the same scripture you are debating, Matthew 5, in verse 45, Jesus calls them 'sons' not children. "so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens," Hence i continue to say, these scriptures are written for the Anointed class only. Why? Because only the Anointed are called 'Sons'. The earthly class are called 'Children' of God.
  24. JOHN BUTLER
    activism /ˈaktɪvɪz(ə)m/ noun the policy or action of using vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change. "growing activism on the abortion issue" protest noun /ˈprəʊtɛst/ 1. a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something. "the British team lodged an official protest" I much prefer protest to activism myself. To express disapproval in a calm manner is much better than vigorous campaigning. As to the point of "and the interaction of Christians within, as though they have no choice but to accept having to be part of this world" I would suggest that most JW's seem to accept having to live with Pedophiles within the JW Org.
  25. JOHN BUTLER
    How worldly  totally un-Christian attitude Â
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