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  1. JOHN BUTLER
    @Srecko Sostar Srecko, your words are true. Of course we can express our feelings in words and it is not blasphemy. And in my opinion the scriptures were written for the Anointed, we are just the other sheep, not of that fold. So again in my opinion only the Anointed can blaspheme against the Holy Spirit as they have a special relationship with God. Much more is therefore expected of the Anointed. Matthew 5 v 45 " so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, .... " The sons are the ones with that special inheritance, the Anointed Matthew 5 v 48 You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. As for me I an neither anointed or perfect, so I'm sure God understands my shortcomings. Is this the same with you ?
  2. JOHN BUTLER
    Us of the Earthly class are all human and I'm sure God is well aware we are just dust. You seem to expect far more of us than God would i believe. The Anointed, whomever they are, maybe have more expected of them
  3. JOHN BUTLER
    I see no blasphemy, only disappointment and confusion. You are the second one using this idea of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Trying to frighten people is not God's way of doing things. Showing love and compassion is God's way. Of course JW's would not know, they only know strict rules from the GB and the fear of being disfellowshipped.
  4. JOHN BUTLER
    No, I don't get involved with any traditions of men. . And now I'm not a JW anymore i feel great that I do not have to comply with any human ideas of what I should do. I have peace.
  5. JOHN BUTLER
    I think you have it a bit wrong there. British people, the working class ones, have to work almost 24/7 so don't get much rest and don't see their families often. The Christmas break is great for many families, as they are not working so can gather together for a big family happy time. They don't want to be talking religion on the door, they want to be having fun with their family. Talking religion is a serious matter, not just a casual natter. But they don't want to be serious at that time they want some fun time. If you cannot see that then you are not showing love and consideration. And you probably don't understand British people either.
  6. JOHN BUTLER
    Oh I'm so glad I'm an Englishman in England. Not proud to be English, just happy to have been born here and live here. And living in the countryside Black Friday means nothing to me. My wife and i went to view an 'in house' auction yesterday, which we would do any day. It's so nice to have a simple life.
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    Looks to me like JW's have anti -holidays, so it's just as bad. I've known JW's that will not eat a roast dinner on 25th December because they are frightened it will look like a Christmas dinner. As for pushing for a special effort on a stupid day, well it seems like a way of actually celebrating that day to me. It's like saying they know that day is special to people. And the Christmas day door to door witnessing is not a good thing. It's intrusive and rude. It's not wanted by people outside the JW org. I did it once just to prove that i wasn't scared to do it, but it does not show love to people, it's just being 'pushy' to the extreme.
  8. JOHN BUTLER
    So back to the scripture about ten men clinging to the skirt of a Jew. A spiritual Jew of course. I'll ask the silly question. Who really can we trust ? Surely Jesus would make it clear as to whom we should follow ? Just one more thing, totally different topic of course . Should we call Jesus by a different name now ? Jesus was his name as human but now he is spirit. As for the 144,000 being "without blemish and have no deceit in their mouths. " With God all things are possible...
  9. JOHN BUTLER
    I did start reading it but wow it's a bit long. I'll have to come back to it another day. But as i say, it's the 'sounds' that i like not the people. I'd be more interested in talking to my local road sweeper than to a musician that lives miles away an in a 'different world'. But each to their own.
  10. JOHN BUTLER
    Now that man has a great voice. I have 3 of his vinyl lp's. I know nothing about him but I love his sounds. Unlike Freddie Mercury of Queen which everyone knew was a homosexual and whos most famous song was about 'put a gun against his head, pulled the trigger now he's dead' Murder. OH so wonderful indeed. The homosexual tag he had wasn't info you had to go and look for it was just generally known.
  11. JOHN BUTLER
    Oh dear. Do Americans actually tell lies then ? Oh yes of course, the Governing Body of JW Org do. As for Christmas, take a look in the 'God's Kingdom Rules' book. Pages 101 & 102 In 1883 the W/t knew Christmas was wrong, but they all, including the Brooklyn Bethel, kept celebrating Christmas until 1926. Over 40 years of deliberate sin........... Yet how quick they are to disfellowship folks now. Hypocrisy at its best. .
  12. JOHN BUTLER
    It does not put an end as to why the GB / JW Org / WT put the picture in the Bible Teach book with one nail through the wrist. And I think you yourself said it was NAILS = PLURAL So it seems the W/t GB, JW Org have no idea what they themselves believe. And is it also showing that Rando as being a deliberate lier ?
  13. JOHN BUTLER
    Saul did likewise until Jesus showed him how to serve properly. But as the Apostle Paul he did wonderful things. I think where there is life there is hope, although I have been permanently condemned by Rando. 10.30 pm here in Devon England. The washing up in the kitchen sink is calling to me. When i've done that i will be allowed to go to bed. Goodnight. May your day be a pleasant one.
  14. JOHN BUTLER
    My apologies JTR Quote : "I hope Jehovah God, and the people whose lives we ruin because of our adamant cultural fantasies, will forgive us, for screwing up their lives, and condemning them to a lifetime of isolation, of loneliness, and of unnecessary fear and paranoia." Your words sir.
  15. JOHN BUTLER
    JT, the confusion wasn't about the words written, it was about you personally. Its like we are getting back to this collateral damage thing, like just throwing people away.
  16. JOHN BUTLER
    @James Thomas Rook Jr. Luke 17 v 1 & 2. It's called stumbling others JT. Your last sentence missed, condemning them to spiritual death and possibly physical death. And for anyone above 'private' (ordinary congregant) then why should they be forgiven ?
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    https://biblehub.com/romans/14-5.htm
  18. JOHN BUTLER
    Best not to judge one against another. I have no favourite singers at all, only sounds that i like. I like the sounds of people's voices and/or groups/bands. But i have no interest in the person/people. To me it's a bit like a bus driver or shopkeeper. Musicians do a job like anyone else. If you like the sound, if it makes you dance or makes you feel happy then it's that sound, either the voice or the music, not the person... Unless you are a screaming teenager of course, but that is just some sort of crazy hero worship.
  19. JOHN BUTLER
    Rando seems a complete nutcase anyway.
  20. JOHN BUTLER
    Well done JT, we need some humour here, even though it was a bit sick
  21. JOHN BUTLER
    KID you have been trained well by the GB and their JW Org. Picking parts of quotes to make yourself look good and make others look bad But of course everyone on here can look back on the topic and see why i said what i said. Whereas you try to mislead people. So do you agree with Rando and I quote him : You stumbled yourself into Gehenna, but I won't allow you to stumble others... go on your way. ... Therefore, your sin has been retained and there is no escape for you..... Consider Yourself Disfellowshipped..... you're not coming back legion.... no matter how hard you try... There you are Kid, Rando at his best don't you think. And you agree with him ? You think he has been given that authority ?
  22. JOHN BUTLER
    Wow. So you do sometimes think the same way as me. Oh dear are we both condemned ? Take that lightly Anna it was a joke aimed at Rando
  23. JOHN BUTLER
    Br Rando has condemned me to death it seems, sending my to Gehenna. Quote : You stumbled yourself into Gehenna, but I won't allow you to stumble others... go on your way. Quote : I was waiting for you to blaspheme against Holy Spirit to expose and count your sin publicly. Quote: Consider Yourself Disfellowshipped..... you're not coming back legion.... no matter how hard you try... Is he a friend of yours ?
  24. JOHN BUTLER
    You are one very sick person, you need medical help. You don't even know what it means to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. Like I've said dream on.
  25. JOHN BUTLER
    They are fully content waiting to enter paradise. No, they are fully content believing the lies of the GB and Elders. It means they don't have to think for themselves.
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