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Hello Anna, you are right. Some are so obsessed with the sins of the Governing Body that they twist every negative figure in the Bible and apply them on the Governing Boby. Some twist the scriptures about the man of sin, the wild beast, the false prophet in Revelation and falsely apply on the WT organization and on the GB, instead of correctly applying those scriptures on political worldy entities, of which some have not even yet shown up. And I see from your post that you have educated yourself about how the world is run in the reality. I found a few years back this documentary done by a history teacher about how secret societies run the world and the wars in the world. And interesting that he came to the conclusion that they are the mystery woman Babylon the Great guilty of all the deaths. At 1:58:00 he starts to comment about that. And he points out that the secret societies the last 100 years have had New York as their capital city.

Hello John Butler, We are approuching the final 1260, 1290, 1335, 2300 days spoken of in the book of Daniel and Revelation. A very easy way to determine that is by understanding that Donald Trump is the fierce-looking king spoken of in Daniel 8:23-25. And in an earlier vision Daniel saw a little horn that grows bigger and bigger and has eyes and a mouth that speaks arrogantly.(Daniel 7) This part of that vision is about the same king as in Daniel 8:23-25. This king or horn will during his reign begin to persecute the saints and he will be allowed to do that during 1260 days or in other words during a time, times and half a time. So because Donald Trump is this king and this horn in the prophecy in Daniel's book, it means that we are really living in the end times. And the 1260 day period of persecution should begin during Donald Trump's reign. So it should happen within maximum of a few years.

This time RT told it straight out what the cashless society with the microchip will be, the mark of the beast from Revelation. When Jehovah's witnesses fail to make this known Jehovah God has to use other channels to get the word out.

Yes, I agree. And interestingly the Bible speaks about an entity that controls the "kings" of the earth. That is Babylon the Great. Kissinger must be a part of that. Revelation17:18 And the woman (Babylon the Great) whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”

We know that the Bible tells that there will be great wars in the final time and many causualities. But then at a specific time the nations seem to stop fighting with each other, because they will gather to fight with Jesus and his heavenly armies. It could be that the nations will tell that all nations must unite to fight an alien invasion. Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean inspired expressions* that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war+ of the great day of God the Almighty. 16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon. And interesting that the Bible tells which part of Satan's world is destroyed first and very suddenly: Revelation 19:19 And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army.+ 20 And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet+ that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast+ and those who worship its image.+ While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur. 21 But the rest were killed off with the long sword that proceeded out of the mouth of the one seated on the horse.+And all the birds were filled with their flesh. Looks like the wild beast of Revelation 13, which will promote the mark of the beast and the false prophet (I speculate it will be Donald Trump) are first destroyed by Jesus. And then later the rest of the kingdoms on earth will be killed of with the long sword fhat comes out from the mouth of Jesus. Revelation does not tell exactly how long it will take to fulfill all these prophecies. In Daniel we can find numbers of days, but it is still impossible to know what exactly will happen at those days. Daniel mentions 1260, 1290, 1335, 2300 days. But reveals very little what exactly happens on those days. But the begining of 1260 days is from the day when the disgusting thing, abomination is placed on the holy place, or in other words when the sanctuary is profaned.

I think the world will be cashless when the only way to pay will be to have the mark of the beast. The financial system is preparing the payment systems for the mark of the beast. Now the creditcards have a chip. The next step is to implant a chip in to the hand that will work for paying. For a few years we have been putting creditcards into a chip-reader to pay. But now in many shops these chip-readers have been upgraded with a chip-reader that reads the chip without puting it inside the reader. You just keep the credit card near the reader. I understand why the financial system is moving to this system. Because that system will be able to read an implanted chip under a persons skin. That is where it is going.

There are some interesting prophecies about the destruction of the beast that represents USA and its friends. Daniel 7:11 “I kept watching at that time because of the sound of the arrogant words that the horn (President Donald Trump) was speaking; I watched until the beast was killed and its body was destroyed and it was given over to be burned in the fire.12 But as for the rest of the beasts, their rulerships were taken away, and their lives were prolonged for a time and a season. Here arises a question, who kills that beast with the arrogant horn? Is it China or Russia? No, it is a divine destruction of that beast. Daniel 8: 25 speaks about the same beast in an other vision Daniel got at an other time:....and in his heart he will exalt himself; and during a time of security* he will bring many to ruin. He will even stand up against the Prince of princes, but he will be broken without human hand. But what does it mean that the lives of the rest of the beasts were prolonged for a time and a season? It should mean just that. But I have still not figured out how this will work out with Revelation 19:19 And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army.+ 20 And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet+ that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast+ and those who worship its image.+ While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur.+ 21 But the rest were killed off with the long sword that proceeded out of the mouth of the one seated on the horse.+And all the birds were filled with their flesh.+

I think Henry Kissinger knows what he is talking about despite his age and that he now talks very slowly. At 3:10 and forward he says that many in China belive they have to fight the USA because USA is restraining China's rising. And the last words of Kissinger here is that he belives we are almost destined for war between China and USA. That is in accord with the sign of the conclusion of this system of things in the Bible.

I agree that the Bible does not contain specific answers to all posible scenarios about the resurrection. But at least we here can work on our salvation.

Hi Witness, I thought that maybe you or doxsey wish that everybody gets the special anointment. And maybe you believe it is fully possible that more than 144 000 will be worthy of that. And that maybe motivetes you to take the number 144 000 merely symbolically. But if the contrary is more evident, that it is very hard even to get to fill that number 144000. Then maybe you would be more inclined to take that number literally. Revelation 14:4....These are the ones who keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb, 5 and no deceit was found in their mouths; they are without blemish. These specially chosen 144 000 follow Jesus the Lamb. That means they are not followers of men, like church leaders or followers of a Governing Body. And as the verse says, these 144000 are firstfruits to mature spiritually. And logically thanks to God's attention to these 144000 individuals they are the first to become holy. And these will serve as prists for the rest of mankind and help them heal spiritually. And the 144 000 are said in the verse to be without blemish and have no deceit in their mouths. That are very high requirements and therefore it is hard to even fill a that big number as 144 000.

Witness, I don't think those scriptures should be applied in that way. It is true that Abrahams offspring would be great in number. But that does not contradict that there will be a special kingly/priestly group composed of 144000. This number is repeated 3 times in Revelation to underscore that it is a literal number. And the fact is that it has not been easy to fill that number. Jesus spoke an illustration of that. There he told that many refused to come, despite how hard his messengers tried to invite. Jesus also spoke of a smal flock and Paul spoke of a full number of people coming in in Romans 11. So the number is predetermined. And you can not force someone to become anointed how much you wish. Most JW don't have that kind of spiritual drive. They are fully content waiting to enter paradise.

Unfortunately neither doxsey or the WT org GB are right. It is possible that a significant part of the anointed will be foolish just as Jesus told. I believe what Jesus said. Because this is in line with other parabels he told. For example the parabels about the slaves who got minas. In those parabels one of three was condemned. And an other parabel is note-worthy in Luke12: 42 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward,* the discreet one,* whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants* to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?+ 43 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! 44 I tell you truthfully, he will appoint him over all his belongings. 45 But if ever that slave should say in his heart, ‘My master delays coming,’ and starts to beat the male and female servants and to eat and drink and get drunk,+ 46 the master of that slave will come on a day that he is not expecting him and at an hour that he does not know, and he will punish him with the greatest severity and assign him a part with the unfaithful ones. 47 Then that slave who understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do what he asked* will be beaten with many strokes.+ 48 But the one who did not understand and yet did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few. Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him, and the one who was put in charge of much will have more than usual demanded of him.+ So here we see 4 types of Jesus' slaves: The first one - a good one The second one - a really bad one The third one - understood but did not act accordingly, will be disciplined with many strokes The fourth one - did not understand and did things deserving strokes, will be beaten with fewer strokes. And I find it reasonable that the number 144000 is an exact number. If there will be 14,4 billion people on earth during the 1000 year reign, it would be in average 100 000 people for each of the 144 000 kings and priests to take care of.

The way USA bombs is in accord with the prophetic description of the American empire. And nothing will change that except God's Kingdom when it comes and crushes all the other kingdoms. Daniel 7:7 “After this I kept watching in the visions of the night, and I saw a fourth beast, fearsome and terrifying and unusually strong, and it had large iron teeth. It was devouring and crushing, and what was left it trampled down with its feet.+ It was different from all the other beasts that were prior to it, and it had ten horns. 19 “Then I wanted to know more about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others; it was extraordinarily fearsome, with iron teeth and copper claws, and it was devouring and crushing, and trampling down what was left with its feet;+ 20 and about the ten horns+ on its head, and the other horn that came up and before which three fell,+ the horn that had eyes and a mouth speaking arrogantly* and whose appearance was bigger than that of the others. We have ample evidence of this. USA with its allies bombed Japan with nuclear bombs, devastated North Korea with bombs in the Korean war. The same happened in Vietnam. And after that Afganistan and Irak and Libya and now Syria.

The documentary pinpoints Tabriz in Iran to be the place. Quite interesting.

What is your plan to escape to worship the beast and to escape to be microchipped? Have you thought about that? This test of faith does not seem to be far away. Maximum a couple of years according to my estimation.

Here is a Chinese war propaganda video with comments of the youtuber.

Why a great war is inevitable? It is called the Thucydides Trap. This video is about that. As it is shortly explained it is the fear for a rising rivaling power. In this case USA and some of its allies like Australia fear the rise of China. And usually that leads to war. So what to expect? The end times did not begin in 1914. But they are now very close to begin in their full force. 1914 will be smal potatos in comparision to what is coming. The 4 horsemen of Revelation. And Matthew 24. Daniel11:44 “But reports out of the east (China) and out of the north (Russia) will disturb him (King of the North=Donald Trump, USA), and he will go out in a great rage to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. 45 And he will plant his royal tents between the grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will come all the way to his end, (end of USA and Donald Trump) and there will be no helper for him.

Revelation 13:16 It puts under compulsion all people—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slaves—that these should be marked on their right hand or on their forehead,+ 17 and that nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name+ of the wild beast or the number of its name. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2004240#h=1:0-7:62 says the following about an i planted microchip in relation to Revelation 13:16,17. "Others say that it signifies some form of compulsory identification, such as a tattoo or an implanted microchip with a digital code that identifies the person as a servant of the beast. Still others hold that 666 is the mark of the Catholic papacy. Substituting Roman numerals for the letters in a form of the pope’s official title, Vicarius Filii Dei (Vicar of the Son of God), and manipulating the figures a little, they come up with 666. It is also claimed that the same number can be calculated from the Latin name of Roman Emperor Diocletian and from the Hebrew version of the name Nero Caesar.* These fanciful and contrived interpretations, however, are very different from what the Bible itself says about the mark of the beast, as we shall see in the following article." What do you think, is WT's take on the i plantable RFID microchip true? And then I found some good old light about what it means to worship the beast: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1976767#h=10:0-32:399 Unforunately the WT has been quite quiet about this subject the last decades, despite the fact that the book of Revelation puts much weight on that. That is a huge minus for the curent leadership of the WT organization. Instead of that WT allows kingdom halls to put national flags on display in various countries when required by the government. This seems not at all right.

Hi John Butler, I wanted to go back to JW memorial because I believe that in the end I will be helping them during the final tribulation time. So I do not want that they forget me. I believe something similar will happen as happened to Joseph who was sold by his brothers to Egypt. And unfortunately I do not know other anointed in my area. And I understand that you feel unsure now, when the anointed among themselves can not agree on many vital things. So it is up to you to decide who of the anointed is understanding the Bible right. In the begining of WT org Charles Russell looked around and learned scattered pieces of truth from different sources. I think that is a way to learn. Some youtube preachers could have examined specific biblical subjects and got it right without JW background. For me it does not matter what the source is, if the arguments are sound and real. And in accord with the Bible. This deplorable situation among the anointed themselves is actually fortold in Malachi. The anointed are symbolized by the sons of Levi, that need a serious cleansing. This prophecy had a partial fulfillment in the first centry when John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus, the messenger of the covenant. But as many prophesies in the Bible there should be a second fulfilment. The WT teaches that the second fulfilment happened in the early history of the WT org, when the WT organization and its early members were supposedly cleansed. But evidently the sons of Levi, the anointed were far from cleansed to the core at that time, as described in Malichi 3:3. So we should expect that suddenly Jesus will start the cleansing of the anointed, as the messenger of the covenant. And logically before this cleansing period things would be out of order. Here is the verses in Malachi: Malachi 3:1 “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up* a way before me.+ And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple;+and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies.2 “But who will endure the day of his coming, and who will be able to stand when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen. 3 And he will sit as a refiner and cleanser of silver and will cleanse the sons of Leʹvi; and he will clarify them like gold and like silver, and they will certainly become to Jehovah people presenting a gift offering in righteousness. And a note-worthy prophecy we find in Malachi 4:5. This prophecy likewise got its first partial fulfillment on John the Baptist. But the verse speaks about Elijah's coming before the awe-inspiring day of Jehovah. So this "Elijah" should come before Armageddon and teach God's people. So there is hope according to the Bible. Malachi 4:5 “Look! I am sending to you E·liʹjah the prophet before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah.+ 6 And he will turn the hearts of fathers back toward sons,+ and the hearts of sons back toward fathers, so that I may not come and strike the earth, devoting it to destruction.”

Hi again Witness, I was quite strait forward in the last post. And I appreciate the possibility to connect with other anointed as you. Before I was very eager to find other anointed on the internet. And I have found a few. But unfortunately until now all anointed seem to have their own ideas and it is almost always impossible to come to a unified true understanding of the scriptures. I have tried with Robert King at https://e-watchman.com/ and an other brother at http://perimeno.ca/Index_A.htm and there used to be two anointed at http://e-jw.org/index.php and I have met a several more anointed on other forums. But non of us can come to an agreement with each other. Maybe the time has not come, or the circumstances has not yet made us clear out our own errors? But I wish that Jesus' words about 5 wise virgins will come true. And I hope both you and I will be among those. With best regards Jan

Hi Witness, I don't think Satan or Trump will have any proplem to target the anointed. One easy thing for him would be to do as did Nebucadnessar. Put up a symbol of worship and demand everyone to worship it. Like Hitler who had his Swastica and required that people greet each other by saying Hiel Hitler instead of Good day. But of course every one else who will not worship the beast or its image or that the mark of the beast will also be targeted. But during the final 42 months when all this will occure GB will be out from the picture and instead local anointed will guide what is left from the congregations. And logically the political powers will first hand target the anointed who have taken the lead when the GB is gone. And there is a possibility that some JWs will turn traitors, and report to the authorities who are the anointed, and in that way the authorities will find them. Sad that you did not have the courage to confess before the congregation that you had become anointed. Maybe you should work on that quality. For my part, I told everyone that I had become anointed when I got sure about that. But I did not make it to the next Memorial before I was expelled, just two weeks before that. But I went to the Memorial as disfellowshiped and took from the emblems. And I have done it a few times more after that, to make sure that the congregation knows who I am and to my wife and family. Sure I have been nervous every time I have done it. But Jesus said we should not be ashamed of him and that we are in union with him. If you get this right, maybe you will get the scriptures right also. With best regards Jan

Before I was baptized I thought that you can always question every JW doctrine and that the Watchtower will always have scripturaly based answers for their doctrines. So I felt safe to be baptized. But I did not know that after you are baptized you have no more right to question the truthfulness of any doctine. And if you don't understand their explanation you have to comply anyway. If I had known that the WT-organization works like that, I doubt I had been baptized. To the contrary I heard the circuit overseer explain how honest and sincere the WT organization is. He claimed in a speech that if a person finds a fault in WT doctine and can show it from the Bible, then absolutely the WT organization will change the doctrine. It was with this mind I was baptized. But it became evident that that is not how the WT org works. When I had found scriptural evidence against some WT doctrines I wanted to show my elders. They came to my place, but they refused to look at my findings. They refused to look at the scriptures I wanted to show them. They were not going to examine the scriptures. I was amazed, what was going on? Now I understand that elders act according to WT procedures. They don't think about what is right or true. The only thing that matters to them is to obey the GB. The Bible and the truth comes always on the second place. That is the moment when the truth has ceased to be the truth. Actually the elders even openly at the meerings said that the unity is more important than the truth. They justify that with saying that Jehovah will anyway later correct everything. But where will the elders and GB be when Jehovah corrects what it wrong? They might as well find themselves in trouble. As Bible-history shows, those who opposed truth tellers in the past got in trouble.

The problem with the GB is that they don't approve anointed or not anointed JWs to come with alternative explanations to Bible verses. You just have to accept as JW the explanations GB provides how silly or stupid they sound. And you can not question a particular GB explanation. If you do that you are not allowed to be a part of the JW congregation any more. Why that? I remember it was explained as if you don't trust GB, then you don't trust God or Jesus.

Was that a qoute from a Watchtower? If so I have several objections. The book of Revelation sternly warns about the mark of the beast, but WT org pays very little attention to that and downplays the matter as just a symbolic mark of the beast. While the Revelation clearly points out that this "mark of the beast" will be very real. The Revelation says that you will not be able to buy or sell without that mark during a specific time period of 42 months. The WT org is doing nothing to inform JWs how to materially survive during that time period. That is because they insist that the mark of the beast is only symbolic. And that this period of 42 months has nothing to do with our life because it happened 100 years ago. That is really a tricky way to divert attention from the prophesies. But I think the GB is blind in this aspect. And what Jesus said happens once again: A blind guides a blind. And that will have consequences. That will lead to trouble. That is why there will be a world wide persecution and a time of great tribulation. But there will be a literal or even several literal wildernesses to flee to.

Witness, The book of Daniel explains what beasts represent, then we know what the beasts in Revelation represent. And it is not the GB.