Kosonen

Of course if God wanted it that way it would happen, but i don't think it is God's plan of action. 
We can all have ideas of our own, and we can all have opinions of other people's ideas, but in the end it will be what God chooses to happen through Christ. 
I think the GB / Org say that JWs will be told to do the most unexpected things and must obey without question. I think they mention Moses and the Red Sea..........
Right now with this virus around anything could happen. The virus isn't exactly a 'sign' but it could cause a lot of changes inside and outside of the CCJW. 

Have you heard that there are thousands of aircrafts parked and idle worldwide? I believe this is from Jehovah God. He has steared the situation so that we soon can all together fly to a wilderness. The aircrafts are just waiting for us. In addition the fuel has gone insanely cheep. So it should not be expensive to fly there. 
Have you noticed that Revelation 12 says that the woman gets two great wings of an eagle to fly to her place in the wilderness? That must refer to aircrafts.
Revelation 12:6  And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days.
13  Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. 14  But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is to be fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.
https://time.com/5823395/grounded-planes-coronavirus-storage/
In the link above they say that 16000 passenger planes are grounded now because of the Corona virus.
 
I believe that soon the figurative "woman" of Revelation 12 will have to flee persecution to a litteral wilderness. The 'woman' represent Jehovah's witnesses. So soon the Jehovah's witnesses will fly to a suitable wilderness. There has never been a such good situation when empty planes are just idle. If there is a time when Jehovah's witnesses could all fly to one place, it is now. It must be arranged by Jehovah God. 
I am just waiting that USA leaves Syria because after that the persecution begins and then it is best to flee. That is according to Daniel 11:29,30.
29  “At the time appointed he will return and come against the south. But this time will not be as it was before, 30  for the ships of Kitʹtim will come against him, and he will be humbled. “He will go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and he will go back and will give attention to those leaving the holy covenant. 31  And arms will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature.“And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.
And I have prayed to Jehovah God to understand where to fly? And I believe Abingdon Downs airport is the place. I think the runway could easily be extended to receive all sizes of aircrafts. The runway is now 1300 meters or 4265 feet.

Have you heard that there are thousands of aircrafts parked and idle worldwide? I believe this is from Jehovah God. He has steared the situation so that we soon can all together fly to a wilderness. The aircrafts are just waiting for us. In addition the fuel has gone insanely cheep. So it should not be expensive to fly there. 
Have you noticed that Revelation 12 says that the woman gets two great wings of an eagle to fly to her place in the wilderness? That must refer to aircrafts.
Revelation 12:6  And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days.
13  Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. 14  But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is to be fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.
https://time.com/5823395/grounded-planes-coronavirus-storage/
In the link above they say that 16000 passenger planes are grounded now because of the Corona virus.
 
I believe that soon the figurative "woman" of Revelation 12 will have to flee persecution to a litteral wilderness. The 'woman' represent Jehovah's witnesses. So soon the Jehovah's witnesses will fly to a suitable wilderness. There has never been a such good situation when empty planes are just idle. If there is a time when Jehovah's witnesses could all fly to one place, it is now. It must be arranged by Jehovah God. 
I am just waiting that USA leaves Syria because after that the persecution begins and then it is best to flee. That is according to Daniel 11:29,30.
29  “At the time appointed he will return and come against the south. But this time will not be as it was before, 30  for the ships of Kitʹtim will come against him, and he will be humbled. “He will go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and he will go back and will give attention to those leaving the holy covenant. 31  And arms will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature.“And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.
And I have prayed to Jehovah God to understand where to fly? And I believe Abingdon Downs airport is the place. I think the runway could easily be extended to receive all sizes of aircrafts. The runway is now 1300 meters or 4265 feet.

So sad to hear that you are sick. I hope you will be well. Good that you got the medicine in time.
And your statment above is exactly what I have thought also. 
Thankfully the first wave of Covid is slowing down and reversing in some places.
So soon it should become possible to flee to the wilderness as fortold in Revelation 12. 
I would expect that there will be cheep flights in the beginning.  Because the airtraffic is so reduced. If a group of witnesses book a whole plane we would get it cheep.
I prayed a few years ago and asked Jehovah to let me understand where that wilderness is and He led my thoughts at once to an area in Far North Australia. To be exact, to an area near the towns Croydon and Georgetown.

@Kosonen Someone who is in the know. Sadly, when it comes to such things, people are sadly swept away, as is with those who has claimed in the past "they wish to not know such things" end up being manipulated by such in regards to the current pandemic.
That being said, there is a massive admiration of the wild beast in regards to all things in the political limelight concerning nationalism and the like. You can see how easily majority of people turn to the wild beast and quickly adjusting to the beast's underlings when power is distributed. The blind ones cannot see, but those who take extra precaution and are vigilant can see the farce.

What can we expect the outcome to be from this Corona virus pandemic?
The last year simulation named Event 201 could well have the answer.
The following video gives the highlights of the simulation.
 

That is because I believe Ezekiel 38 will play out there. The situation only confirms that Australia is the right place.  Gog will together with probably China invade first Australia and then they will come to plunder Jehovah's peoples material wealth, in for of gold, silver, cattle and goods according to Ezekiel 38. But as Ezekiel for tells Gog will not succeed. Instead he and his armies will be wiped out by Jehovah God.

Yes I have thought about that. Revelation 12:6 said:   And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days.
So the water supply would be already in place. As I mentioned earlier, the water supply is already in place there. There are waterpoints for the cattle spread through out the country. We can drink the same water. I don't think the toilet thing will be a problem. The israelites who left Egypt with Moses had no problem with that. If they could live and survive in the wilderness, so should we be able. I believe the exodus from Egypt and their dwelling in the desert is a prophetic pattern for us.
And Jehovah's witnesses are used to organize conventions, so this should not be a problem. We could organize it just in a bigger scale. Food would not be a problem. Just buy container loads of essential food, such as wheat, rise and legumes and vegetable oil. I would buy a large stockpile, maybe for 5 years. During that time we could already manage to begin to grow our own food. 

The WT organization I believe has so much money and assets so that everyone could get a ticket to Australia. And all who would go could sell everything before going there.

No dear.... relax.... but thanks for caring. 

I've noticed something about the timeline that surely wouldn't have escaped the notice of the escaped Christians. Notice that the above dates show that it was very late October to early November of 66 CE when the opportunity for escape would have been ideal. That's because Cestius Gallus fled Jerusalem close to November 1, 66 and finally fled the country around November 15, 66 when factional civil wars began in Jerusalem.
And if the purpose of the escape for the Christians was to continue to be fed for 1,260 days, or 42 months, or three and one-half years, then where would that time period end up after, for example, November 10,  66 CE?
If you put dates in Excel or Google [Spread]Sheets you can subtract one date from another and it will give you the number of days apart. Do that for November 10 of 66 CE and April 23 of 70 CE and the difference is exactly 1,260 days. The month Chislev often starts in November, so I pray that this is not in wintertime.

Nov 10 66 Apr 23 70 1,260.00  
Below, I'm copying some more of the dates from the book quoted above to see if anything significant might have happened around April 23rd 70 CE:
AD70 23 April: Titus commences siege of Jerusalem. 7 May: Titus breaches the Third Wall. Mid–May: Titus breaches the Second Wall. Late May: Roman siege ramps against the Antonia Fortress destroyed by Jewish mines and sallies. June: Romans construct wall of circumvallation and new siege ramps against the Antonia Fortress. 5 July: Titus takes the Antonia Fortress. 17 July: Roman assault on the Temple Mount commences. 27 July: Jewish trap immolates the western colonnade of the Temple Mount. 10 August: Destruction of the Temple. 20 August: Siege of Herod’s Palace commences. 7 September: Fall of Herod’s Palace. AD71: Vespasian and Titus celebrate joint Jewish War triumph; execution of Simon b. Gioras. Roman mopping up operations in Judea; fall of Herodium, Machaerus.
AD73: Flavius Silva commences Siege of Masada.
AD74: Fall of Masada; end of First Jewish War.
My spreadsheet says that:
April 23rd 70 MINUS November 10th 66 EQUALS 1,260 Days.
Of course maybe this is a big coincidence, but I think we can be pretty sure that it crossed the minds of Christians reading Revelation 12 that the recent destruction of Jerusalem, and the escape from Jerusalem for a time period of 1,260 days might have been significant, especially because some of them lived it personally. To them, as they bore witness to Jesus, it had been the great escape of citizens of a new Kingdom of Israel, a heavenly Jerusalem, who followed Jesus command so that they were not otherwise swallowed up in the war that had broken out. It just makes me wonder how first century Christians understood Revelation 12 when they first saw it.

The best way to sanctify Jehovah's name is as Jesus told in John 15:8: My Father is glorified in this, that you keep bearing much fruit and prove yourselves my disciples. .....12  This is my commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you.
Matthew 5:22 However, I say to you that everyone who continues wrathful with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice; and whoever addresses his brother with an unspeakable word of contempt will be accountable to the Supreme Court; whereas whoever says, ‘You despicable fool!’ will be liable to the fiery Ge·henʹna.
43  “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44  However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45  so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens,
Paulus, how do you know if the governing body is right condemning me and my understanding? Could it not just be that they are themselves mistaken?
 

Traitor. Keep digging, another 5 feet and you'll have yourself a grave. Well done.

Typical apostate reasoning. Taking words out of context and unable to apply scripture to themselves. Your the fool. Ive been disfellowshipped twice becouse I deserved it. But the last thing I would ever do is betray my creator Jehovah and his chosen organisation. Theres still time for you to repent but I think your to far gone. But I'm not your Judge. Good luck with that when the time comes.  See you in Gehenna 👹

I lived in Africa for 45 years.......... a violent continent and Islamists creating havoc.  You have a very good chance of having your head chopped off with a machete or slowly tortured to death.
I recently lived in Europe -  violence is increasing and in future we will see major upheavals with the cultures that do not get along.  (The UN will bring in their rules to get everyone to live together under strict surveillance).  I now live in Asia Minor in a reasonably safe place but all the countries around me could become dangerous suddenly.  Russia, Iran, Turkey to name but just a few.  My husband and I have decided to die here and face Armageddon here.  It is as good as any other place.
Australia and Japan are in fear of China because china is becoming aggressive in its territorial aspirations. China has already bribed most Indonesian countries. Australia has severe problems as well and do not like new immigrants.
Bottom line:  In previous historical times there were places to flee to but everyone has now run out of places.... and you will not qualify as a "migrant"  if you come from a first world country. In any case " The Internet of Things"  which is being planned for mankind, and is "by their estimations" to be  implemented by 2022, will track you wherever you go. G5 being installed in most cities now as we speak. The new vaccinations against Corona will ensure it..... they are talking about putting a chip in the vaccination so you will not be able to travel if you do not scan it in and have the right traveling credentials.
No place to hide...... only in your room on your knees where Jehovah says you can wait on him  OR with your fellow believers in prison.   I must say, although the prison scenario will definitely be cramped and dirty....... and to add some spice.....not all JW personalities are easy to get along with.... it is better to be with them than living in total anarchy........ because this will be the scenario before and during Armageddon. 
At least in jail we can pray together and sing together and support each other.  The situation will not be ideal but we can count on Jehovah's angels to be there.  The authorities may even get to kill  a few JWs before Jehovah steps in.
Who knows?  But I am not adverse to go to jail with my brothers and sisters....... better place to be ...huddled together.
Unfortunately the time for sentiment is over...... the realities will soon hit home when very nasty events under Satan's control start to happen.

Do you think that kind of language is appropriate for you? And I am not apostate. 

Do you think that kind of language is appropriate for you? And I am not apostate. 

Because I believe in Christ’s words and his thousand year reign beginning in the first century, I believe the “144,000” are not awaiting a resurrection, but reign with Christ now .
John 5:24 -  Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
Mark 8:35 - "For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life because of me and the gospel will save it.”
“Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.”   Rev 20:4
After the thousand years have ended, the remaining anointed are tested; (Rev 16:13,14;20:7-9) with some receiving life, others not.  (Foolish and wise virgins)  Rev 12:4; Mat 25:1,2
“The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.” Rev 20:5
(Does the Wt teach that there is another resurrection AFTER a literal thousand years have passed in the Kingdom?  Isn’t the whole idea of the “thousand years” teaching, is to have everyone resurrected, reach perfection and then tested by Satan? )
So, why are the remnant of anointed in the last days, considered dead? 
“And you, although you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all formerly lived in the desires of our flesh, doing the will of the flesh and of the mind, and we were children of wrath by nature, as also the rest of them were.
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, 5 and we being dead in trespasses, he made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved), 6 and raised us together and seated us together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus  Eph 2:1-6
As long as one follows men, who act upon their will of the flesh and mind, by leading one into false teachings (absolutely not sourced with Christ), we cannot receive eternal life.
Because of this, just as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death spread to all people because all sinned.    For if by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through the one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one, Jesus Christ.  Rom 5:12,17
“Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.  John 5:24”
 
Jesus told his disciples,
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matt 19:28
The twelve tribes of Israel are the members of the 144,000/Temple of God.  Rev 7:4; 21:12  There will be no judging of Christs’s kings after Armageddon, since this completed Bride will be united with Jesus by then.  Rev 3:12; 21:2  This judging has occurred to each individual anointed one over the 2,000 year period since Jesus sat on his thrown next to God.  Ps 110:1,2
 
 
 

@4Jah2meYes, I agree generally with what you wrote in that new topic. 

This could well lead to what Revelation 13 foretells.
2  Now the wild beast that I saw was like a leopard, but its feet were like those of a bear, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And the dragon gave to the beast its power and its throne and great authority. 3  I saw that one of its heads seemed to have been fatally wounded, but its mortal wound had been healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration.
Yes, people will be so relieved and happy with the authorities when the authorities will help during this pandemic. And propably stop the spreading of this virus. 
People will adore the beast, because of that. 
 

We are so important that God sent his closest dearest only begotten Son Jesus to earth to be born here as an infant and to grow here and to become adult here and to patiently teach here for 3 and half years and to die for us in a most painful and difficult way to prove to us humans how much he loves us. In what other way could God more convincingly demonstrate his love for us than through letting his dearest son suffer so immensely for our sake? That is how we should understand the main purpose of Jesus' sufferings. Because God is love, that is his main quality. Have we not learnt that?
You see, there is this cognitive dissonance in the Watchtower, in one article they rightly teach that God is love and explain what it means and then in other articles they backpedal from that by teaching that for example Jesus' sufferings were not an expression of how much God loves us, but to prove Satan that he was a liar. And that God was after all right. No, No No the New Testament teaches that God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten son. 
 
1 John 4:9  By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him. 10  The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.
John 3:16  “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life
Romans 8:31 What, then, are we to say about these things? If God is for us, who will be against us? 32 Since he did not even spare his own Son but handed him over for us all, will he not also, along with him, kindly give us all other things?
This is God's word, this is what we should think about, this is how we should believe.  
We should forget about the supposed issue of Universal Sovereignty and instead focus on comprehending fully what it means that God is love. 1 John 4:8, 16

That would not be the whole truth. God listens to prayers and helps in various ways. Apostle Paul wrote for example that God can be involved with our daily life in a such way:
Hebrews 12:5 And you have entirely forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons: “My son, do not belittle the discipline from Jehovah, nor give up when you are corrected by him; 6  for those whom Jehovah loves he disciplines, in fact, he scourges everyone whom he receives as a son.”7  You need to endure as part of your discipline. God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? 8  But if you have not all shared in receiving this discipline, you are really illegitimate children, and not sons. 9  Furthermore, our human fathers used to discipline us, and we gave them respect. Should we not more readily submit ourselves to the Father of our spiritual life and live? 10  For they disciplined us for a short time according to what seemed good to them, but he does so for our benefit so that we may partake of his holiness.
 

And I hope you stay faithful to Jehovah God and his word no matter what. Especially now when it looks like the WT organization will not remain in its previous form. This Corona virus has already made big changes to the WT organization and it is just the beginning. Now the governments of the world have imposed many restrictions on people and this can be used to further restrict the Jehovah's witnesses. 
I belive this is just the beginning.

And that is why I stay one of Jehovah's Witnesses .. when I know full well the unintended evil that men do, with the very best of intentions.
...... been there...
.... done that.