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My first ever meme to call my own. I figured if I could make one here, I can make one anywhere!

I would hope that we will have learned our lesson, and remember Jesus's words.. "concerning the day and hour nobody knows..."  So setting any kind of date, by anyone, would hopefully be seen as plainly wrong.

There were probably many prior to 1975 that had a similar attitude, but they were looked down on as lacking faith. And they were told that "now was not the time to be  toying with the words of Jesus that "concerning the day and hour nobody knows..." * It was those who sold their houses to quickly pioneer before the end came who were praised.

The brother in the convention video a few years ago certainly was not only toying with the words of Jesus, but he was actually reminding himself of those words! And he didn't change his schedule and follow those who sold houses and quit their jobs. Watch it starting at the 13:07 mark.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODBiblePrinciples/pub-jwbcov_201705_4_VIDEO

Hindsight is 20/20 of course, as evidenced in the video. 
* paragraph 35 https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1968602 
 
 

Is that what you call it? Do you know each other?

Wow, the JWs join forces to worship their GB and their CCJW org. They hang on every word of their masters the GB. So be it. 
@Emma Rose I have never said I am of the Anointed. I have said I am not Anointed. I have also said I probably will not survive Armageddon. However I did leave the CCJW because of the Child Sexual Abuse problem Earthwide in that Org and I do make a point of warning others of the dangers that are in the CCJW. If Christ judges me as wrong and as wicked then I will die at Armageddon. But what I do, I do with a good Christaiin conscience. 
@derek1956 I hope you are happy with the silly things you post. 
@Anna  You are very level headed in all this. You can see both sides as usual. Thank you for your  input. 
@TrueTomHarley I hope you are well. I love your input. You are funny whether intentional or not. 
Appologies to anyone I've missed. I think one of Witnesses' points is that with the Leaders of the CCJW getting things wrong many times over a long period of time, how can anyone trust the Leaders now ?
The GB admit to not being inspired so all they do is guess, and 'err'.  Of course they will get some things right. If you make 100 guesses, 10 of them could easily be right. 
New members on here may not know of the serious Child Sexual Abuse / Pedophilia problem Earthwide in the CCJW. I would suggest you do your own research. Australia, Canada, America, The Netherlands, the UK. Just to name a few.  
Any JW denying this is deliberately blinding themselves. 
I left the CCJW for the reason above. I could not encourage people into such an organsation. Each of you is entitled to your own opinion of me. However I wish Warmest Christian Love to you all. 
 

Witness the anointed are HUMBLE you  are not, The anointed do not get involved with people who slay their master, you however come on this web site a back apostates who slander Jehovah`s name, You also slander that name, you quote scripture no application, YOU ARE NOT ANOINTED GET IN THROUGH YOUR HEAD. The anointed don`t tell social media that they are anointed either.

I’m not sure what you mean by clear. As stated, I was baptized in 73 and I thought it very possible, even likely, that the end would come in 75. But as the year dragged on and there was no end I do not recall any sense of letdown (let alone betrayal). “Oh, well, I guess it comes later,” I said. 
It might have been different had I sold a house or made major changes. But then again, life throws stuff at us all the time. You suck it up and carry on. As to the “offending” brother, did he even have a house to sell at any time in his life? People do their best and sometimes are wrong. 
“Sign here, kid—I’m gonna make you a star!”

The fear of truth makes you do this. Christian love to you. 

It is funny Tom, well written and funny.  I read too much MSN news, most of it is horrible, so your little piece was well needed humour. 
 

Um, you sound very agitated Derek. I would humbly suggest prayer to God through Christ. We are all sinners but we all still have a chance to serve God properly, because as the scripture says, 'the end is not yet'. 

It was a hypothetical situation I used for the sake of illustration. Or did you really assume I thought I knew your circumstances?
And if you think you are being humorous with your reply, then I don't believe that, it appears more like you have nothing better to say. 
If you don't have a proper answer, then it's ok to say you don't know. After all, you have been lecturing others about humility...

I don't call what Derek posts a sense of humour either. Calling people rats, idiots, and judging that they will die....is that a sense of humour to you? 
Sadly, not only do I think he lacks a sense of humour, but he evidently lacks in other departments too....
Now Tom, there's a sense of humour 👍

Anna...sadly I don't think you have a sense of humour.  

You are told that God’s Spirit is with this organization. (Rev 13:15)  Yet, history proves that with each false prophesy and failed teaching by your leaders, God’s Spirit is not resting in the organization. (Prov 12:22) The God of Truth would not lie, and neither would Jesus Christ, who is Truth. (John 1:14,17;14:6)  If you say God is with you, all JWs are liars themselves. (Prov 13:5) In your mind and hearts, you have blurred the boundary line, between truth and lies.  It should be distinct within your heart.  You should be appalled when realizing your leaders have lied to you.  Instead, it’s like a dream that you awake from and forget about, as you continue through your day. If a poisonous snake crossed your path when hiking, wouldn’t you remember that day clearly, and how you made a rapid escape from its strike?  Why is it, that a lying tongue of your leaders, causes no recoil on the part of a JW?
If you continue to love a lie, or excuse the lies taught by your leaders – lies that comprise the foundation and progressive teachings of the organization, where does that get you in the end?  Do you realize there are specific spiritual references made to a people who turn a blind eye to falsehoods, as I see you are doing here?  (Hos 11:12; Jer 5:31)
Every falsely projected date, every teaching that has changed course several times over the years, is evidence of a lying spirit among you. Two contrasting spirits cannot reside side by side. (John 16:13; 1 Tim 4:1,2) Either this organization IS PURE TRUTH; or it is A COMPLETE LIE, masquerading as if it is truth; and since false teachings are your history, the father of the lie directs this organization – an entity that JWs have come to “love”.   (Matt 7:15-20; John 8:44; Rev 13:1,2,11,12) (2 Thess 2:9-12) (2 Cor 11:13-15)
The anointed have the responsibility to preserve the teachings/laws of Jesus Christ, who would never encourage his servants to tell a falsehood. (Ps 119:160;Mal 2:7; Heb 8:10)  In him, there is NO LIE. (1 John 2:21) He is the Spirit of Truth. (John 16:13)  Since the anointed inside are subservient to the elder body, they have failed in following God’s will to preserve TRUTH IN CHRIST. (1 John 2:27)   They have lost their “salt” – a spiritual preservative; and are trampled down by the “man of lawlessness”/elder body who “represents the royal priesthood”. They cannot “shine” their lamp of truth when elders rule over them, extinguishing any Spirit of Truth they have received upon their anointing. (Matt 5:13-16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) 
The speakers in the video may or may not have been anointed. But, because they promoted a lie, they have a judgment by Christ waiting for them. (Matt 7:23; 2 Tim 2:15) Their safe haven is not the organization, or their willingness to continue as a good “elder”.   If they leave the entire environment of falsehoods and repent before Christ, their judgment takes on a different outlook.  (Ps 145:18; John 8:32; Col 3:9)
 So, humility is realizing the difference between a lie and the truth.  Arrogance is ignoring that difference, believing that God does the same thing. (Prov 26:12)  An anointed one’s humility expressed before God, is by upholding Truth, and tearing down the lies. The apostles were humble men, but powerful in Spirit, to expose and destroy lies spoken against Jesus Christ and the Father. (John 17:17; Eph 6:10,11; 2 Cor 10:4,5;1 Pet 5:8,9) Jesus did the same thing before the Scribes and Pharisees.  To walk in the path of Jesus Christ, requires upholding TRUTH, at whatever it costs us – whether it is slander, persecution by our own people, or fleshly death. (Matt 5:10; John 15:18; 2 Cor 12:10; 2 Tim 3:2)
Those too cowardly to speak for Truth, do not have a pleasant spiritual outcome. 
 
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”  Rev 22:12-15
“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”  Rev 21:8
 
 
 
 
 
 

@TrueTomHarley Quote 
I know where he is coming from, though. It is initially shocking to see ones taunting the Most High, all the more so when they purposefully make themselves obtuse about how God works with and through humans. The fact that they have nothing to offer that is better doesn’t phase them in the slightest, as they do nothing but condemn the GB, their spiritual betters. 
1, ones taunting the Most High Who is taunting God ?  Just because some of us do not believe your GB are serving God, that is not taunting God. It is in fact in Defence of God and Christ. 'No one comes to the Father except through the Son'. 
2. they purposefully make themselves obtuse about how God works with and through humans. I think you GB has done that. It is your GB that is 'beating it's fellow slaves'. Your GB that have exalted themselves above all others. Your GB that tells the Anointed 'NOT TO gather together'. 
3, have nothing to offer that is better .  I have made suggestions as to what will possibly happen, when God and Christ decide the time is right. I have made suggestions as to how the GB could improve the CCJW.  I pray regularly to God through Christ, that God will 'wake up' the True Anointed remnant to lead those that are willing to serve God properly. 
4. as they do nothing but condemn the GB, their spiritual betters. If in your heart you feel your GB are so good, so be it. It does not mean that others who wish to serve God propelry, think the same way as you do.  Whilst I know I could not 'do the job', I also know that I am not Anointed. 
My opinion is that as the Scriptures were written under insipration from God's Holy Spirit, then it needs inspiration of God's Holy Spirit to understand the Scriptures fully and to lead God's people. Only the True Anointed ones can do that. 
Unfortunately Derek and other JWs do not wish to know truth from God through Christ, they only wish to know the words of the GB and it's Watchtower teachings.  Only time will tell the outcome. As for me, I wish no harm to anyone here. I think everyone here is genuine in their thoughts and words and only God and Christ can read hearts. 

"How dare you think.."...... moral high ground, arrogant words..... contentiousness..... egotism.   I will not try to reason with you because you are beyond being reasonable. 

Dear members of JW. I would like to draw your attention to an article in your journal Awake, Under the headline, the author of the article, who is no doubt a JW, put the ideological idea of UN organization from 1948. You call that same organization "the scarlet colored beast that came out of the abyss" and how this Beast is "full of blasphemous names."
How is it possible that the author of the article, with the approval of GB, invokes such an organization and accepts the “blasphemous” ideology of Article 18 and at the same time “prophesies” against the UN?
Let's see what Article 18 says.
Religious Intolerance Today
“Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.” Article 18, Universal Declaration Of Human Rights, 1948. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101999001?q=minorities&p=par
Article continues:
DO YOU enjoy religious freedom in your country? Most countries in the world ostensibly subscribe to this noble principle, ....It is estimated, however, that in numerous countries where intolerance and discrimination are hard realities, countless millions of people today do not enjoy religious freedom. ....
“Discrimination based upon religion or conviction exists in almost all economic, social, and ideological systems and in all parts of the world,” noted Angelo d’Almeida Ribeiro, former Special Rapporteur appointed by the UN Commission on Human Rights. In their book Freedom of Religion and Belief—A World Report, published in 1997, editors Kevin Boyle and Juliet Sheen state: “Religious persecution of minority faiths [and] the proscribing of beliefs and pervasive discrimination . . . are daily occurrences at the end of the twentieth century.”....
Religious discrimination can take many forms.....The book Freedom of Religion and Belief cites other examples of intolerance: “Heresy and heretics are not only an image from the past. . . . Rejection, persecution and discrimination towards those who have taken a different path remain a major cause of intolerance. ...." Clearly, religious freedom is under threat in many parts of the world....
..., the director of the Human Rights Centre of the University of Essex, United Kingdom, observed: “All evidence points to the conclusion that religious intolerance . . . is increasing rather than decreasing in the modern world.” Such increasing intolerance threatens religious freedom, perhaps your religious freedom. Why, though, is religious freedom so important?.....
Freedom of religion is like part of the foundation of a building. Other freedoms—civil, political, cultural, and economic—are built upon it. If the foundation is undermined, the whole edifice suffers....
If other freedoms are to be protected, religious freedom needs to be safeguarded first.
In order to discern how best to protect something, it is essential to understand it. What are the roots of religious freedom? How was it established, and at what price?
The parts of the text that I put in bold are the messages of the author of the article. It is very hypocritical for the author of an article to invoke something that forbids to their own members. And if some member change or is in process of changing their religious beliefs, then the Organization, together with its members, subjects them to religious intolerance and spiritual and literal persecution.
JW members in their public preaching announce that there will come a New World in which only those who accept the WTJWorg doctrine will live and be able to exist. Please, then, what kind of religious tolerance and religious freedom do you want to exist today and tomorrow for the religious majority and for religious minority?

If you noticed Bahrain, Maldives etc are all Muslim countries who do not allow other religions to be practiced in their countries... even if it is another brand of Islam.
One cannot compare this to JWs. We allow people to choose their religion - but we cannot condone those who are traitors to Jehovah.  We do not mix with those... but we do not stop them from practicing their new choices. 
In most Muslim countries you can go to jail or be killed for practicing another religion. Bahai religion is banned in Iran and persecuted...most have fled the country. Iran now executes apostates on the smallest of pretexts....  

I quote @Arauna 
One cannot compare this to JWs. We allow people to choose their religion - but we cannot condone those who are traitors to Jehovah.  We do not mix with those... but we do not stop them from practicing their new choices. 
Reading this actually made me feel sick.
How dare you think you have the right to condemn people. You are so full of hate from the teachings of your GB. It is your GB that instills this type of belief into JWs. 
The CCJW does not own Almighty God or Jesus Christ. Will you never understand until it is too late for you ? Your GB are the ones that have turned their backs on God and Christ. But you just love having your ears tickled by your GB and the Org. 
It is sad. Your GB are stumbling blocks to so many people. Your GB continue to tell lies and to 'err', but JWs continue to serve them. Your GB continue to cover up the Child Sexual Abuse and continue to hide the pedophiles in the CCJW. Your GB will not appologise to victims of CSA and refuse to pay compensation to them. And you have the stupidity to say it is others that are 'traitors to Jehovah'. 

@Srecko Sostar I find that kind of funny.  But I expect the GB are happy getting money from anyone right now.  I hope they use it to pay compensation to victims of CSA. 

Here is another KH sold to Islamic centre. :)) 
https://acorn.agencypilot.com/store/documents/other/253504_49hn3294r6063mrc.pdf?agtype=7&agkey=444+26748
https://www.hyderi.org.uk/news/development-of-new-hyderi-islamic-centre-into-multipurpose-comple/?fbclid=IwAR3AKpazFX-0lkXSr4zwQTyqgVhUD3pJ8tgliM9kV8e_TYJWPManPjiot2w
 

West Lakeland Township officials are considering purchasing the former Jehovah’s Witnesses Kingdom Hall building and turning it into its town hall.
The 2,300-square-foot building is at the southwest corner of the intersection of Stagecoach Trail and 10th Street North. It is listed for sale for $360,000; Petersen Properties has the listing.
The town board currently meets at Oak-Land Middle School in Lake Elmo and rents office space at the Joshua Taylor building in Lake Elmo.
Township supervisor Gary Horning said buying the building makes sense. He said West Lakeland officials sometimes have difficulty securing the school for its monthly town board meetings. He also is concerned that the price of renting office space — currently $700 a month — could increase when the Joshua Taylor building is remodeled.
The Kingdom Hall is in a good location, and there is easy access in and out of the building, he said.
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Another Kingdom Hall up for sale.  I wonder why ? 

What does it mean to be an extremist? noun. a person who goes to extremes, especially in political matters. a supporter or advocate of extreme doctrines or practices.   Does extremist always mean nasty and violent ? I think the CCJW org is extreme. Surely it is meant to be ?   In fact I think it is not extreme enough. Didn't the disciples / apostles say, 'We must serve God as ruler rather than men'.  Surely it was extreme then and still extrem now ?    If someone called me an extremist I would take it as a compliment, being no part of this wicked world surely is extreme.     

A bit different to WW2 when the leaders of the CCJW told congregants that they had to go to prison.
Because of the lies told by the Leaders of the JW org / CCJW concerning the Superior Authorities scripture, congregants obeyed their Leaders rather than being allowed to have their own conscience. They served time in prison when they could have done farming work or other things. All because of the lies of the Organisation's Leaders. 
But now it seems that congregants can use their conscience and do something useful too. 
 

Well dear Tom, people do get deleted from here and that's for sure. And the reasons seem as false as the reasons JW Elders use when they want to get rid of someone from a congregation. Hence some on here think that this site is run by JW Elders. The site has all the traits of it.  
I don't despair, I keep thinking of Colossians 3 v 13. Although it's meant for the anointed it's still a good thought. 
The thing is there should be no need to delete anyone because you JWs have your 'Private room' to hide in, so this could easily be a 'playground' for us 'others'. 
 

There is no scriptural backing for those links. It is all guesswork, and very old guesswork too. 
Your leaders once again pretending that they know 'things'. 
BUT remember Acts 2, the outpouring of Holy Spirit.
At that time devout Jews from every nation under heaven were staying in Jerusalem.e 6  So when this sound occurred, a crowd gathered and was bewildered, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7  Indeed, they were utterly amazed and said: “See here, all these who are speaking are Gal·i·leʹans,f are they not? 8  How is it, then, that each one of us is hearing his own native language? 9  Parʹthi·ans, Medes,g and Eʹlam·ites,h the inhabitants of Mes·o·po·taʹmi·a, Ju·deʹa and Cap·pa·doʹci·a, Ponʹtus and the province of Asia,i 10  Phrygʹi·a and Pam·phylʹi·a, Egypt and the regions of Libʹy·a near Cy·reʹne, sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,j 11  Creʹtans, and Arabians—we hear them speaking in our languages about the magnificent things of God.” 
Everyone there understood in their own language, but it wasn't one language. 
The earthly class will not be 'pure' until after their final testing, so why would they be given a pure language whist not being pure / righteous ?