Kick_Faceinator

I didn't want to hijack another thread that was already going way off the topic so I'll start this one. 
In Jesus time, what was the political environment at the time? The Romans socialist, jews capitalist?

You are not understanding.
Therefore you pray in this way:
“Our Father who is in heaven,
may Your name be treated as holy.”  Matt 6:9
Jesus and his disciples never used a word that is a mix of consonants and vowels put together by men, as a way to show respect to the Father. The use of that hybrid didn’t happen for centuries later.  Does this mean that the Christians in the first century were “disrespectful” for not saying, “Jehovah”?
You can say, “Jehovah” a hundred times a day and it proves nothing.  It does not prove that you respect the name of God.  It does not prove that God is your Father, especially if you follow the doctrines of men.
To treat God’s name as holy means respecting and adhering to His laws in Jesus Christ.  In the Kingdom, the faithful anointed who will rule with Jesus  will have “on their forehead”, the name of God and of Jesus.  Do you believe this is a literal tattoo on their forehead?  Do you believe they will be verbalizing the name, “Jehovah”, or does this meaning of Rev 14:1, go deeper?
“And you shall put these, My words, on your heart and on your inner self, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand and let them be as an emblem between your eyes. And you shall teach them to your children by talking about them when you sit in your house and when you travel on the road and when you lie down and when you get up.”  Deut 11:18,19
For this is the covenant that I will decree with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I am putting My laws in their minds and I will write them on their hearts, and I will be their God and they will be my people.  Heb 8:10
We are respectful of the holy name of God, by our choice to follow only His laws in Christ, that those laws only, are holy. (Matt 6:9)  Since your leaders change doctrine regularly to accommodate their reign, riches, and reputation, they show no respect for the teachings of Jesus Christ, and they show no respect for the Almighty God. They demand their laws, the laws of men,  to be written on one’s forehead; symbolically, in the heart and mind of JWs. (Rev 13:11,12,14,16,17; Matt chapter 23)
 
 

Mark Sanderson claims Russia is “The King of the North”.
“Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “On that day when My people Israel dwell safely, will you not know it? 15 Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great company and a mighty army. 16 You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land. It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes.” Ezek 38:14-16
He says, “does this mean that the attack of Gog of Magog has begun?” 
Geoffrey Jackson:  “The attack of Gog of Magog does not occur before the outbreak of the Great Tribulation”  It is toward the end of the Great Tribulation.”
 Sounds like they're talking about the same event to me, only they don't agree when it begins/occurs.
This video gives two different points of view held by WT, of the presence of Gog and Magog.
1.     Now, as Russia, the King of the North
2.    At the end of Armageddon
Hopefully you heard the scripture at the end of the video:
Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.  Rev 20:7-9
The third visit by Gog and Magog:
WT 88/10/15 p. 20 -   At the end of the thousand years, mankind will have been raised to   perfection. What an appropriate time for Satan to make his final appearance on the earthly scene! Once again he will try to deceive mankind, and some will follow him, even then. These are significantly called “Gog and Magog” since they will manifest the same evil spirit as that shown by ‘Gog’s crowd’ in Ezekiel’s prophecy. But their rebellious spirit will be wiped out for all eternity when they, along with Satan himself and his demons, are cast into the symbolic lake of fire. (Revelation 20:7-10; Ezekiel 39:11) 
Revelation speaks of one event, after a symbolic “thousand years” have ended.   Geoffrey Jackson is saying it occurs at the very end of Armageddon.  The quote above clarifies what happens to Gog and Magog:
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
They’re toast – history.  Since your leaders are now teaching that Gog and Magog are present now, and also will arrive toward the end of the Great Tribulation,  when did the thousand year reign of Christ end?  If Gog and Magog appear a thousand years after Armageddon as well, how is that possible if they are “tormented day and night forever and ever”at the end of Armageddon?  
 PS 110:1,2  The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”
2 The Lord shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion.
Rule in the midst of Your enemies!
"Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.  "  1 Cor 15:24-26
Satan and death are destroyed at Armageddon's finish.
The “thousand years” began in the first century, and has now ended.  Since your leaders are very confused about when Gog and Magog make their appearance, saying it occurs before and after a thousand years beyond Armageddon,  then how can you trust WHO they say Gog and Magog really are?
Gog and Magog surround the “saints”, “Israel” by using deceit sourced in the devil.  Do any Watchtower videos mention this, that it is by deceit that God’s holy people are “surrounded”?  Nope.  As this video portrays and narrated by G. Jackson, Christ apparently steps in when God’s people are the only religion left and are enjoying “spiritual prosperity”.  So, when did the deceit occur?
“The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where also the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
The Beast and false prophet/Beast with two horns of Revelation 13:1,11 ARE Gog and Magog. 
Who would deceive God’s people if not a false prophet?  Who “conquers the saints” – yes, they are conquered – if not by what a a false prophet directs?  Rev 13:5-7,11,12
Mark 13:22 – “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.”
 

Resigning as one of Jehovah's Witnesses is not something to be done without serious consideration and well established protocols.   Therefore over the last hundred years of overlapping protocols, changing in form and formality, it has been established that in order to resign as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, one must appear before a tribunal of Elders in a Judicial Hearing, and before them exclaim three times " I quit!, I quit!, I quit!", and smear goose poop on their shoes.
 

How can anyone treat a hybrid name compiled around the 14th century or so, with "disrespect"?
“Jehovah” is a modern mispronunciation of the Hebrew name, resulting from combining the consonants of that name, Jhvh, with the vowels of the word ădōnāy, “Lord,” which the Jews substituted for the proper name in reading the scriptures. In such cases of substitution the vowels of the word which is to be read are written in the Hebrew text with the consonants of the word which is not to be read."  https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclopædia_Britannica/Jehovah
Now, JWs who attribute their false doctrine to God, their organization's existence to God, do blaspheme the "name" of God.  2 Thess 2:9-12
 
 

But Jesus' real name is Yeshua. So no J.  
Jesus (IPA: /ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a masculine given name derived from the name IESVS in Classical Latin, Iēsous (Greek: Ἰησοῦς), the Greek form of the Hebrew and Aramaic name Yeshua or Y'shua (Hebrew: ישוע‎). As its roots lie in the name Yeshua/Y'shua,

One of the longest serving Elders in my ex-congregation, phoned my wife and told her, that I had been disfellowshipped. 
I was sat right next to my wife at the time.  But my wife and a couple of 'brothers' know the truth about it all. 
I am now in the process of requesting all my records from my ex-congregation. I'm using the Data Protecion Act, which is the legal way to do it here in England. I have received an email from another Elder to tell me that my request is being delt with and that I should 'hear from them shortly'.  It would be nice to read what they have put on my records, and even nicer to have proof that i was not d/fed.  However if i receive information from them that says I was d/fed I would consider that to be slander. 
By the way, I would imagine that every JW or ex-JW has broken many bible principles. We are all imperfect. 

Quote from the 2016/1/24 Wt. magazine, pp. 22-27:
“In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity.”  Wt 16/1/24, pp. 22-27
The above is a sarcastic example of spiritual, emotional and mental abuse used to devour the anointed in the organization. (Ps 73:8; Ezek 36:6,7; Isa 3:12-15;  Zeph 2:8; Dan 11:31,36; Rev 9:1-4; 13:5-7)
Their use of Gal 1:15-17, is quite hypocritical, since it is required that the “preaching work” by JWs follow the strict mandate of the governing body and their army of elders, who “bond” together, and who consult with one another, several times weekly. (Rev 2:20; 13:11,12,16,17)  These scriptures actually help prove that there was not an organization with a governing body in the first century, that Paul felt he had to answer to. 
Paul; a prophet, a teacher, a leader, a priest. was sent by Christ to instruct those called as priests out of the Jewish and Gentiles nations, of their spiritual obligation to one another in the house of God. (Acts 9:15; Rom 15:14-19; Eph 3:6,8)  He, with Jesus Christ and all of the apostles, laid the foundation of truth – a foundation built with faithful “living stones” of God’s anointed priesthood.   (1 Pet 2:4-10; 1 Cor 3:10; Eph 2:20-22)
 
 Ephesians chapter 4:
“Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.
1 Corinthians chapter 12:
“Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 
 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.
The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
Incredibly, God’s word completely contradicts the words of the magazine.  What hold more weight in the mind of a JW, the doctrine of men who cannot tolerate any threat to their rule, or the words of God?
“Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home, and do not greet him; 11 for the one who greets him shares in his evil works.”  1 John 2:9-11
We are in the middle of a war of words, spoken by the sons of the kingdom, and sons of the wicked one. (Joel 3:14; Mal 3:18; Matt 13:38-43)  Lies promoted by false teachers/prophets harbor the demonic intent to “deceive the elect”. (Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 9:13:10, 5-7)   
This war against the “saints” is “inhouse”, not on the political battlefield of the world. (Luke 17:20) It is where a great army of “Gentile” elders have overcome a spiritual people – God’s priests of “Israel” -  with a “flood” of lies.  (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:1-4; Rev 11:1,2;1 Cor 3:16;17; Rev 12:15; 16:13-16)
 How many times as a JW did we hear…
“Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.”  1 Pet 5:8
He seeks to trample and devour the “kings of the earth”, (Rev 1:5; 16:14; 20:7-9) and although the anointed believe Satan is in the wicked world outside of the organization, outside of their “spiritual paradise” and “peace and security” (1 Thess 5:3),  Proverbs gives us a better perspective.
The lazy person claims, “There is a lion in the road!
    There’s a lion in the streets!”
14 The door turns on its hinges—
    as does the lazy person on his bed.    Prov 26:13,14
 
Anointed "Priests" and prophets must warn people according to God's truth...for their protection, awareness, and vigilance to present danger (Jer 28:8; Ezek 3:4,18; Mal 2:7; Dan 12:3,10; Matt 24:45).

The war is not over yet! (Rev 12:17; Eph 6:12; 2 Cor 2:9; 11:3; 10:4-6; Matt 24:13,11,10; 10:22; Luke 13:24) 
Any "walls" erected by men, to keep Satan out are an illusion...as long as he still dominates the world (1 John 5:19; Eph 5:15,16). Our only true protection is the meaning of YHWH's name (Prov 18:10) which is that HE is our only saviour (Isa 43:11; 2:22; Rev 14:7; Ps 146:3; 118:8).
 We must have faith and trust in HIM and the truth of His Word, (not the doctrines of a human organization -Jer 17:5; 1 John 4:1; Mark 7:7,8), in order to possess a realistic spiritual shield (Eph 6:13,16).
The anointed are not protected from Satan's machinations by means of a membership in an organization, nor by obedience to it. (Rev 12:17; Luke 22:31; Rom 6:16; 1 Cor 7:23)
Pearl Doxsey
What's Wrong with "Peace and Security"?
 
 

Wow 2055 another 'date'. What happened to 2034 ? Oh yes it's still in there somewhere. 
but you've just said 
The Watchtower (society) and JW Org / CCJW are only human organizations.
Wake up Billy, you are just part of a human organsation. An org that will not exist at Armageddon. 
Russia has given an example of what it can do to the Watchtower / JW Org. Do you not think that the American government will desroy Warwick and Ramapo at some time ????? 
You need a building to give you faith ?  No billy it goes much deeper than that. 
You use this scripture but so could any other so called Christian religion. Because the sexual immorality inside JW Org has been proven and is still being proven. And serving the GB and the Watchtower Soc' / JW Org proves idolatry of JWs. And as for lying, so much proof has been given in courtrooms about Elders lying. And it seems clear that the GB continue to lie about the CSA database. 
Yes they will. But they will not be JWs at that time. 
Billy, Every word you have written in your comment above can be used against you and against the JW Org. 

This makes no sense, but then that is the JW way of things.
I was a baptised JW for many years. Many years of ministry which I enjoyed at the time. 
And they must have been sure I was a JW when they used me to say a prayer at a special meeting concerning a brother that had been murdered in our local Kingdom Hall. 
So yes I was definitely a JW and I'm not ashamed of those years. 
However it seems to be you JWs that are showing your bitter, cold hearted side now.  

Rambo / Billy the Kid / and whatever other AKA's, you are sooooo funny.
You see rambo you have let yourself down again by all this dribble. You write serious stuff then you write dribble.  
YHWH remember rambo. That is what we have, YHWH.  We do not have a J in it or a V in it. YHWH.
YHWH is Almighty God's name. Because that name is so important, then those letters are also so important.
Changing the letters changes the name rambo.  That is the insult to Almighty God. 
You believe the name Jehovah only because other MEN have told you to believe it. 

Yes, but some of us get up and try in a different way to serve God through Christ. 

Russia’s Top Court Bans Prosecuting Jehovah’s Witnesses for Group Prayer
Nov. 17, 2021 MT Russia’s Supreme Court has banned the criminal prosecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses for joint worship, potentially putting an end to the law enforcement practice of jailing believers for prayer sessions.
The ruling could also affect the 152 convictions that have not yet entered into force or are being appealed, the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia organization said in a statement on its website Tuesday.
news A Russian Jehovah’s Witness Vows to Keep Worshipping Despite Crackdown
Read more Russia outlawed the nonconformist Christian denomination as “extremist” in 2017 and has since subjected thousands of worshippers to police raids, harassment and up to eight years of imprisonment. 
Russia’s Supreme Court binds law enforcement authorities to provide concrete evidence for the worshippers’ “criminal intent,” “extremist motives” and “prior collusion” — justifications for criminal prosecution that have been criticized as arbitrary.
The organization said the ruling poses “new challenges” for authorities to open criminal cases, search residences or “detain a person simply because he or she professes the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses or meets with another at a worship service.”
“Investigators will now have to justify the wording often used in indictment papers against Jehovah’s Witnesses,” it said.
The Supreme Court’s plenum ruled that joint prayers among members of banned religious organizations “consisting exclusively in the exercise of their right to freedom of conscience and freedom of religion, including through individual or joint profession of religion… do not contain elements of extremism.”
The Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia noted that the country’s courts are under the obligation to “consider” the Supreme Court ruling when considering appeals.
The group said it “eagerly anticipates” how the Oct. 28 Supreme Court plenum ruling will affect the release of its members currently held in custody.
In its original 2017 “extremist” ruling, the Russian Supreme Court accused the Jehovah’s Witnesses of “propaganda of exclusivity” and signs of violating public safety.
The Soviet Union had exiled thousands of Jehovah’s Witnesses, known for door-to-door preaching and an alternative interpretation of the Bible, to Siberia for anti-communist activities and their refusal to serve in the military.
 
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But the information concerning CSA in the JW Org keeps pouring in. See my latest post.  

No Rambo, I left the JW Org which is no part of God's Kingdom. 

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/resign/
Yes. A person can resign from our organization in two ways:
By formal request. Either orally or in writing, a person can state his decision that he no longer wants to be known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
By action. A person can take an action that places him outside our worldwide brotherhood. (1 Peter 5:9) For example, he might join another religion and make known his intention to remain part of it.—1 John 2:19.
But be careful because Elders will still pretend you were disfellowshipped 
 
What if a person no longer preaches or attends your meetings? Do you view that person as having resigned?
No, we do not. Resigning, or disassociating oneself, is different from becoming weak in faith. Often, those who for a time slow down or stop in their worship have not abandoned their faith but are suffering from discouragement. Rather than shunning such ones, we try to give them consolation and support. (1 Thessalonians 5:14; Jude 22) If the person wants help, congregation elders take the lead in providing spiritual assistance.—Galatians 6:1; 1 Peter 5:1-3.
However, the elders are not authorized to coerce or pressure someone to remain as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Each person makes his own choice regarding religion. (Joshua 24:15) We believe that those who worship God must do so willingly, from the heart.—Psalm 110:3; Matthew 22:37.
 

Their mountain will be leveled
“What are you, mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of ‘God bless it! God bless it!’” Zech 4:7
“Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain.” Isa 40:4
that they took refuge in
“Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’” Luke 23:30
which cannot save them
“Let’s see if your idols can save you when you cry to them for help. Why, a puff of wind can knock them down! If you just breathe on them, they fall over! But whoever trusts in me will inherit the land and possess my holy mountain.” Isa 57:13

Yeah, that's pretty much about how I view them too, or "Peddling Paradise."
I find it interesting, most of the time when I see them use this word, "Word," ( whether it be in their New World Translation or in their Publications, ) they will have it capitalized. I've often wondered what the distinction of capitalizing it means to them?
"Knowing that God is watching us." 
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
I'm sorry, not sorry. I doubt that they have ever cared about that.

"Theocratic organization" - a "publishing company"
"Theocratic Studios" - a  "multimedia...broadcasting center"
Never mind, they are still peddling the "word of God". 
"You see, we are not like the many hucksters who preach for personal profit. We preach the word of God with sincerity and with Christ’s authority, knowing that God is watching us."  2 Cor 2:17
 

Well, kind of. 🥺 I replied to her by saying, "so the Organization is a multimedia..." and before I could say anything else, ( pluss I've been trained to stop talking out of respect and/or reverence when other people begin to speak. ) she spoke out the word, "yes," quite emphatically.
So what exactly comes after or before the word multimedia, I'm really not sure.
If anything, knowing that they will more than likely not be leaving the name as simply the word "multimedia," I'm just going to guess here, but I would imagine that they would be adding to that by giving it some kind of, Theocratic Studios something or another kind of name.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/san-diego-news/man-wanted-for-multiple-sexual-assaults-of-a-child-in-san-diego-county-found-dead-in-south-carolina
SAN DIEGO (KGTV) — The body of a man wanted by San Diego authorities on multiple counts of sexual assault on a child was found in South Carolina.
According to U.S. Marshals, the decomposing body of Frederick Cecil McLean was discovered on November 6 by a neighbor in Seneca, South Carolina.
Authorities said McLean was one of America’s 15 most wanted fugitives. He had been on the run for more than 16 years.
U.S. Marshals said he had been molesting young females for about 25 years with at least eight victims.
He was a Jehovah's Witness and would target people met at church.
Authorities said McLean was one of America’s 15 most wanted fugitives. He had been on the run for more than 16 years.
Full article available on link at top.
It's like @Witness said we don't keep reminding ourselves, but it's all over the news constantly. 
JW organisation is like a white washed grave, full of disgusting things. 
If he had been on the run that long, then CSA was obvioulsy being dealt with by the Law. So why didn't someone give details of his location to the Police. 

Their mountain will be leveled
“What are you, mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of ‘God bless it! God bless it!’” Zech 4:7
“Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain.” Isa 40:4
that they took refuge in
“Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’” Luke 23:30
which cannot save them
“Let’s see if your idols can save you when you cry to them for help. Why, a puff of wind can knock them down! If you just breathe on them, they fall over! But whoever trusts in me will inherit the land and possess my holy mountain.” Isa 57:13

Their mountain will be leveled
“What are you, mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of ‘God bless it! God bless it!’” Zech 4:7
“Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain.” Isa 40:4
that they took refuge in
“Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’” Luke 23:30
which cannot save them
“Let’s see if your idols can save you when you cry to them for help. Why, a puff of wind can knock them down! If you just breathe on them, they fall over! But whoever trusts in me will inherit the land and possess my holy mountain.” Isa 57:13

Well, God wouldn't be interested in say, a Buddhist Temple, since His people are not involved with one.  But, I do admit that He is very interested in a counterfeit temple found in the same realm where His people are.  And this one, will face destruction because His people are idolizing it - "Jehovah's earthly organization", "Zion".  
Rev 13:1-4
 

What an admittance.  Did she follow that up with any news of what "they" are today?