Dmitar

He’s just flogging a dead horse because that’s all he knows how to do…your patience with him is admirable…and very good for visitors here reading your words… 

May I ask how so…??…I would have thought the opposite was happening
Example: a few of us older sister were discussing the old bible story book..you would know them…the scary pictures of a mother holding her Baby appearing to scream for help as the water rises…..
I didnt know a number of those fearful pictures have been removed tho actually depicting truth were really instilling to much fear…and children needed to be taught to love Jehovah and Jesus not from fear .
I think it was a hangover from Christendom  teaching…but we have seen that and as a people corrected it..
I have not needed to use the Bible book of stories for sometime so I didn’t know that…even a firm brother in the truth did not read certain stories to his children because he deemed them not appropriate for them,
The society have seen and understood this and changed their way of teaching ..is this not a good thing?…
I genuinely  would like to know what you mean please .

It’s also been known to be used to distinguish two groups of people, so that you don’t have to say  ‘us and other us.’

Why your objection that others have the wrong mindset, when you yourself are advocating the wrong attitude about women and claiming that God has an unchangeable Order. Well there is no immutable. He revoked the Order from OT and placed another Order through NT. And change will continue to happen.

On the one hand, God creates Adam and Eve who are not given the concept of patriarchy or the concept of the man (Adam) as the only one who has the last word in everything.
On the other hand, it later allows for a system of patriarchy and polygamy and slavery.
Then enters a phase in which it softens the laws of OT and creates a concept of equality within the Christian community in which it still relies on a slightly softer patriarchal relationship between man and woman.
And as a special new level, architecture emerges in which men and women become representatives of the government with functions that include / unite political and religious power (Kings and priests).
This approach is unique in that it allows women what they have never been allowed to do in either Judaism or Christianity. To rule over the people (the only OT exception, I think, is Deborah in the capacity of Judge) and to perform priestly service.
The activity of the Prophetess was also an exception.
But it is precisely these exceptions that speak of a God who has no problem with the concepts (out of known "Order") in which women are given to be in positions for which some zealous/stubborn men claim to be the only right given to them.

Just so you know up front, I don't read all that you write, but certain things pop out such as the above.  
Two people can look at the same scene with two different perspectives.  Jesus’ perspective was heavenly, spiritual, inspired.  He was preparing a people to also be heavenly, spiritual, and inspired. The Pharisees rejected this spiritual perspective, and instead held onto and loved their corrupted element of rule over others.   The term “religious office” is elementary, based on today’s works in the world of men.  What was once the concept of seeing “religion” in the spiritual realm with blessings reaching humans on the created earth, has been corrupted to “fit” the desires of men, who assign each other with created label to hold created “offices”. 
These have nothing to do with the gifts of the Spirit. Men, like elders not anointed have robbed the concept of Christ’s gifts given to his spiritual anointed body, and changed them to fit their earthly needs, to fit themselves, and an organization.  (Eph 4:4-16)   They are applying what they chose from the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, to help run their debased organization. “The whole world lies in the power of the wicked one”, but men use this power to create a demanding “religion” of authority over others.  The apostles did not teach “organization” according to the elementary concepts of men. They were moved by the Holy Spirit to teach and to be guided by it, but never to manipulate their spiritual understanding, by lording it over others.  If there were leaders, they were leaders in spiritual knowledge.  Anyone who desires to know the truth, would value another’s truthful knowledge. 
“Rulership” under Jesus Christ is unfathomable in this world of hate and desire to control others. This ruler is the enemy of Christ, so why would Christ condone established religion in the rulers’ realm? (John 8:36)  His “rule” is based on love.  There would be no room for abuse, lies, failed doctrine, victims suffering at the hands of evil rulers, or the concept that religion must be built with money and riches of all sorts. (Matt 19:21)
What we see developed by men and their preferable religious beliefs, is called centralized religious authority.  Jesus dissolved the earthly, and set up the spiritual. (John 2:19-22)  But men have either rejected it, or chose what they like from his teachings, to create their elemental concept of centralized religion.
I meet with anointed and those not anointed. We understand that love is not regulated by men, and that there is no power over us except that of the Father and Jesus Christ.  We treat each other equally, men and women together.   But we also realize that among us are those who have been blessed with spiritual insight, those who have received valuable knowledge through the inspiration of Holy Spirit.  And more than one, happen to be women.  We listen to their understanding; yet, we listen also to each other, learning from our individual experiences, and all grow together in spirit.  We take note of the anointed gifts Jesus has given certain individuals, but we do not kowtow to the person, simply because of the gift.   
For a man who does not claim to be joined to one established, concrete religion, but uses the term “religious office”, tells me you are under the influence of the world of established religion.  Somehow, you have decided you are a Preacher by perhaps your own labeling; or, did others give you that label?  But how could they, if you are not part of an earthly organized church?  Nonetheless, dear SM, your concept of religion under Jesus Christ, is not according to the spirit of God, but of the world.  The two, cannot be mixed.
Luke 22:24-27; John 4:21-24; 1 Cor 2:12; 1:26-31; Gal 4:3; Col 3:2;Phil 3:17-19
 
Did the apostles really rule over the earthly concept of organization?  Not according to Paul:
Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But, as it is written,
“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
    nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him”—
10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.  1 Cor 2
If a woman is a teacher or an inspired prophet from God, who are you to judge prematurely, especially since your mind is on "earthly things"?  You will know them by their "fruits".  Matt 7:15-20
 
 
 
 

@Space Merchant  I think that the adult / mature thing for me to say here is that, you and I should agree to have different opinions about things.  As for you saying you do not have opinions, well once again we must differ here. 
My feeling about you is, that you are a 'cold hearted' Theologian.  What I mean by that is, you have vast knowledge of the scriptures but you seem to lack the faith and direction of a True Christian. 
Jehovah's Witnesses are the same. One difference with the JW's though, they are given direction by 8 men in America.  
I have no idea if you 'follow' any direction from any 'religious' humans, though it seems as if you are the one giving direction to others. 
I note you have a young follower here. So sad to see a young man worshipping you. He seems to think you are winning battles here  .  What you are actually doing is pretending that you are always right, and he is fooled by your words. He is young, he will learn. 
You and I cannot have a proper basic discussion because you have a totally different mindset to me. I look to the future with hope, but it's not hope for me, it's hope for other people.  YHWH will work through Yeshua, the Earth will be cleansed, those considered worthy will live on, and the dead will be resurrected. All of those things will bring praise to YHWH through Yeshua.  Those are things that God has allowed me to know in my heart.  
However I still believe that nearer the end of this old system of things, the True Anointed will be given more accurate knowledge through Holy Spirit, and true direction will be given to those seeking to serve YHWH properly.
Ten (earthly) men clinging to the the robe of a (spiritual) Jew.  The True Anointed will become more apparent to real Christians. 

……. speaking of women as shepherds …..
If memory serves, Little Bo Peep was a shepherd. The sheep would wag their tails behind them. They could’ve wagged them in front,  but they would have to walk backwards.
 

It would seem a poster here has the same writing skills as Pearl Doxsey under a certain account. 😂😜😏
What will that group think of next to distort the bible with kind words, just like @JW Insider 🤗

That's fine Miss Arauna, thank you for not wanting to get in an argument with the two of us, but sense you have joined in with us on our conversation where we are sharing our observations and opinions on them ( to which I do welcome you, ) I'm more then fine with you disagreeing with me on what I say
that I have observed regarding the use of fear as being one of the most affective ways to control people. And that It is that place of fear induced desperation that seems to be "fueling the aggressive flames of extremism" within the organization and Society at large,
 If your statement of, "how can someone who does not attend our meetings talk of extremism among us ?" Is refiring to me ? Then I too can say,
"excuse me - that is not a statement that is true." 
Going on to claim, "that you have not seen anything like that!" is understandable to me. That's your observation and I believe you. 
I get that you and I see things differently. I can even respect that. But can you respect that I may be seeing and observing things differently than you are without you having to dismiss and discount my experiences and observations by saying that my statement is untrue?
To you Miss Anauna, I request that you don't use the "Us and Them," rhetoric regarding me. It's known to be used with the underlining message of, Us being the good guys ( aka, on God's side ) and Them being the bad guys ( aka on the Devil's side ) within High Control, High Demand Authoritarian Cultures.
Now that may be what you are getting at when using that rhetoric, or it may not be, I'm just letting you know that don't care for that kind of separating rhetoric being used when you are referring to me. That kind of rhetoric is very culty.

He was aware of what an announcer, as is what a witness who attest to testimony to God's Word is, as is the majority in the 1900s. Christians, even the Bible Students knew what bearing witness to the Word entails.
Pastor Rutherford was never an Inspired Prophet, not did he claim to be infallible, he was simply a Normal Prophet, or in this case, regarding the norm, Prophet Not Inspired.
Also FYI, that screen was not from the JWs although the terminology was identical, but more detailed. The JW one was the first image.
It isn't a flip flop though, for if it was, then the archived information would have said differently, which was not the case. It was very clear of what a Modern Day Prophet is, someone who is a witness to God's Word, hence proclaim the message; adhere to the Great Commission, commanded by the Christ of which those God fearing should be doing, yourself included.
But you adhere to them being infallible in your last statements. Why the sudden change?
Your latter remark makes no sense.
It isn't logic based, this is Biblical Hermeneutics based.
Normal Prophets aka Prophets Not Inspired do not have miraculous gifts therefore cannot attest to a Revelation and or reap Prophecy. Prophesying is akin to proclaim the message of God's Word, hence it is clear on what the Preaching of the Messianic Age entails. Prophesying also is done through worship to the True God, which is in harmony with what he says in his Word, as is the commands of his Christ.
Incorrect, they never rejected any Prophecy in God's Word. Perhaps coming to understand it later on, but as far as rejection, it is unfounded.
Everyone does not start at the same level, learning God's Word is to come to an understanding, the fact you mention this now shows you didn't understand what was said a few minutes ago, for, a JW who has been looking into the Bible for 8 years is on a different lane compared to another who has a few months of experience. Likewise with former JWs, however, they tend to get duped by the Mainstream frequently, as is others in Christendom.
The need for Teachers and Pastors is still important, for a directionless Christian will most likely go into the realm of alienation of God faster than someone who has been excommunicated from a Church, so to speak. When there is Alienation, then there are ideologies deem not Biblical to be applied by such a person.
The lack of Teachers is also the reason that has led society to view the Bible with distaste. Even in the past, Teachers were vital, for Apostle John's students were examples. If Polycarp did not have John, then he'd be open to the accursed teachings which isn't Core, perhaps succumb to Gnosticism.
But because of John, who was his Teacher, his view of Gnosticism as his reaction was priceless [“O good God! For what times hast thou kept me that I should endure such things!”]
I am talking about Christians in General, I wasn't being specific, hence my original remark never disclosed the individual's sex, male or female. As for the other remark concerning Shepherds, Women can be Ministers proclaimers of the message like their inspired counterparts, they cannot hold religious office (which is unfounded in the Bible), and you were beaten in this debate before, so concerning God's Order, it is known as to why one respects said Order, as is understanding the Words of an Inspired Prophet, Apostle Paul.
As Ministers, they can witness God's Word, as is teach it to others, even children and other women. The Unisex practice came forth from mistake interpretation of Scripture, something of which both you and Witness could not comprehend in that debate concerning God's Order, and you tried to throw a lie about Chloe.
That being said, God's Order is the same, and has not changed.
No, I don't have the wrong source of information.
If I am wrong, then name another religious organization essentially owned by the Watchtower? For, if there is a Mother Organization, there should be a Primary one also.
If you cannot prove that information now and later on, then your claim is unfounded, as is the ill use of a terminology that did not benefit you.
 

It amazes me that Rutherford was not familiar with this precise and common knowledge about terminology, because the new name, from 1931 onwards, would have sounded better like "Jehovah's Prophets". But when you explain to us the difference between an “inspired” and an “uninspired” prophet then I see where Rutherford’s place is.  
Yes, I am aware of this flip-flop about using this particular term i WTJWorg publications.
Agree  , they are “Normal Prophets” with flip-flop doctrines and understanding with variable knowledge of unimportant things.
So according to your logic, it is quite normal that "uninspired prophets" have full freedom and permission to prophesy whatever seems right to them, even if it was complete nonsense for those "uninspired prophets" who later reject previous "prophecies" or adapt it to new level of knowledge.
If all “normal prophets” are equal, then most JWs have acquired the same spiritual level because of which there is no need for elders to act as teachers and pastors. However, you do not acknowledge that a woman can be on the same spiritual level as a man, but that only a man is in the position of a shepherd.
You have the wrong source of information about this thing.
 

WTJWorg addressed the topic of “prophets” in their Insight encyclopedia. I went to their site to be reminded of what they wrote. Of course, JWs tend to use a certain term in a way and in a model that suits them in a particular situation.
A “normal JW” will never use the term “prophet” on himself, but most often “witness”, “announcer”, "publisher" and the like. But also, when JW would talk about “prophets” he would use the terms “inspired” (from God or from the devil) and even more significant terminology is “true and false prophet”.
Analogously, are JWs true or false (prophets) publishers and witnesses today?
JWs deal with interpretations of the biblical text and predictions of events from biblical texts that are enigmatic or in the form of prophecy. When they make a mistake in interpretations, they are "false prophets", aren't they? And when their doctrine will remain unchanged forever then we will be able to call them “true prophets,” right?
How does a “normal JW prophet” come to “knowledge”? Through verbal and written "prophecy" of GB, of course. GB is The Main Ecclesiastical Body for all JWs, and they are Guardian of Doctrine. So the “normal JW” is just a transmitter of GB "revelations", not some sort of “prophet” who, through personal spiritual effort, came up with the impetus for “prophecy” with the help/incentive  of "spirit".
"Normal JW prophet" works on the copy / paste model. They absorb information from "earthly mother organization"  and then transmit it through public preaching. JW "prophesies" (about) his faith in .....this and that.

Then, why subvert the Watchtower literature? How is manipulation part of a good debate? It makes for a sad argument, but not for a debate.

Same thing with the Japanese Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant disaster, when the offshore earthquake swamped the plant with a tsunami.
The area has made a remarkable recovery.
 

That’s the best explanation I’ve ever heard.
Simple, true, And ….. blissfully short.
 
 

I still say I do not remember using John butler 2.  In fact I could not use my real name or my email address. I had to create a new email and a second user on my computer to be able to access this forum again.  That was how firm the action was against me. And all because i upset someone on here. 
But I can see how much it has upset you, that you have to make a big issue out of it. OR perhaps it is my personal thoughts about Inspired Prophets that has upset you, so that you have to try to change the subject. 
I can always tell when the 'opposition' is losing because they always change the subject or start to insult me  .........  
You hide behind a mask Storm Trouper but you continue to insult me. 
 

You seem to pluck crazy thoughts out of no where SM. My 'ideas' are my own thank you. 
 

The true enemy is Satan the devil. And God's word gives us enough information about the 'end times'.  Only YHWH through Yeshua  will save who He wishes to save.  As for the rest of it, persecution will come from all sides, but dying is not a problem when we have faith in the resurrection. 

You're the woeful fool that keeps responding to my post. Be smart like @TrueTomHarley thinks you are, and heed your own advice, or does that D'fd @Pudgy your friend needs to draw you a cartoon? 
It is also hypocritical for you to be opposing and arguing with former Jehovah's Witnesses like @Patiently waiting for Truth, @Srecko Sostar, @Matthew9969, @Witness. You people should be supporting each other. Show the love among your ranks. 
Remember, Jehovah does mind fools using his name in vain, much more using it as false prophets.

Any topic related to this site is open to the public in various forms. Google is just one of them.
If that's your observation, then more is needed.
I understand you wish to contribute with, general observations. However, we are dealing with this specific site and people here with distorted understanding of scripture and other institution's literature.
We should use whenever possible other literature to convey or to show similarities, however, the adjustments need to be made here, by responsible people, not people that just want to win with their falsehoods and manipulation.
Point being, God has not allowed his inspired word to be subverted by man. Man can attempt it by Satan's influence, but it will never be tampered enough that responsible people can't see the difference.
This is why a "seer" can be inspired by God even though that person is not a prophet. A prophet can be both, but not vice versa. Therefore, It wouldn't matter if there is no prophet after the last apostle died. God will still use responsible men to fulfil the prophecy, with a worthy individual Full of God's Holy Spirit, or a seer with God's grace specifically dedicated to a certain task.
People overreach with their assumptions about the phrase supernatural. The angels are in heaven. Anything they do is supernatural. If God sends an angel to earth as a messenger, that's supernatural, but in a good and positive way. 
Satan's influence on earth is a bad and negative observation of the supernatural.

I don't know who "them" is, but every anointed priest is inspired by Holy Spirit at their anointing, which I have already mentioned. (Rom 5:5; 1 John 4:6; 1 John 2:27; John 15:4-8,16; Rom 2:29; Heb 8:10; Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10)   But if they refuse to act upon it through obedience to Jesus Christ, and his word...and instead listen to men and their lies, they eventually lose God's Spirit. (Matt 5:13; Luke 11:31; Matt 25:14-30)
Since an anointed priest under Christ is inspired by Holy Spirit, so too would be any prophet sent by God.
"There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. 7 But grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ's gift."  Eph 4:4-7
 
 

“Plans against NATO” could mean anything.
I am hoping it just means to demilitarize Ukraine.  The prevailing winds are from the West to the East,  and the Ukraine does have (did have ?) biological and chemical weapons research laboratories, and presumably production facilities ….. and they have a large border with the Russian Federation. After he destroys that capability, perhaps he will stop.
Just like the JFK assassination in 1963 perhaps we will not know for a hundred years …. Or perhaps never ….. what it was REALLY all about.

Tell Dimitar it’s a joke. Jokes are funny. It’s not necessary to downvote them.
If it helps tell him I heard it from a loyal and faithful Bethelite right there at Bethel.

The reason this matters is because the first entrepreneur of the Bible is Pharaoh’s daughter, who withdrew a small prophet from the Bank of the Nile.
It all fall apart if she withdraws a small seer.