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12 hours ago, BroRando said:

Nations can refer to countries, peoples, or even nationalities.  The pride of nationality for instance

So this could mean that it would have to be a multi-national body to which all these peoples would stream - am I correct? 

11 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

And many peoples will go and say:“ Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,

Who are the only ones teaching about Jehovah and Jesus!   Where do all these nations go where they learn no war anymore?  ... to the Christina churches who all justify guns and war?  So where do they go for the source of information to learn NO WAR?  Where do they meet and form congregations - as is clearly instructed by the bible?

You KEEP YOURSELF DELIBERATELY OBTUSE!   yea - so keep sitting patiently on your brain or hands  - waiting for the truth! 

1 hour ago, Peter Carroll said:

postates should be afraid ,the

Yes - they should be - that is why we must watch ourselves!  Jehovah is the one that all must fear,

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

wrong to put your trust in a 'religion

Your answer lies in Isaiah 2: 2-4.  A nation who worships Jehovah in the time of the end.   They pray to JEHOVAH and Jesus) form a people and all of them love each other and learn war no more.   

Please tell me where I can find this world-wide nation.... coming from many peoples:

²  In the final part of the days,*The mountain of the house of JehovahWill become firmly established above the top of the mountains,bAnd it will be raised up above the hills,And to it all the nations will stream.c ³  And many peoples will go and say:“ Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob.dHe will instruct us about his ways,And we will walk in his paths.”eFor law* will go out of Zion,And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.f ⁴  He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight* respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowsharesAnd their spears into pruning shears.gNation will not lift up sword against nation,Nor will they learn war anymore.h

10 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

God will shorten the time for the sake of the Chosen ones.

All the chosen ones know they must die in order to join Jesus in his kingdom - now in the end of the global system of things.

The NW study bible shows that Titus effected the conquest in only 4 months and 25 days in 70 CE. Due to the actions of the extremists within the city.  The tribulation was intense but remarkably short.  More than 1 million killed and almost the same number taken as slaves.

In 66 CE when Vespasian came the time was cut short so that the anointed Christians could flee the city.  They were not in the city when the Romans came back.

Matt 24: 22  What will happen on a global scale during the coming great tribulation? The UN will turn against religion at the beginning of the great tribulation.  But the UN attack on religion will be "cut short" so that the true religion will not be destroyed with the false. True religion will survive.

The political ten horns will not be allowed to annihilate God's people. 

3 minutes ago, BroRando said:

adopted by all United Nations Member States in 2015, provides a shared blueprint for peace and prosperity

True, UN agenda 2030 was adopted in 2015 (it was a restated purpose of agenda 2021 )- this is the one thought or plan the UN has but the ten kings were only added later when they made and agreement with UN to combine the "Great reset" with the "UN sustainable development" plan.  The WEF plan also has the transhumanist agenda or 4th industrial agenda included- which is the manipulation of man with machine..... editing our DNA with synthetic code to create an "ubermench"  - which these MRNA pricks to contain.   They do not use this term but they want to take over the evolutionary process and be God - they want to take the place of god and do their own "intelligent design". 

So here I feel that we have to wait until the majority of governments of the 7-headed beast (political system) willingly give over their autonomy to the UN to rule as an emergency power - this is when the "hour" starts. 

This almost happened last month.  Please watch the news for this event.  The WHO is the only UN organization with a constitution - which means it can rule and this means it has been planned this way for a long time. These technocratic ideas come from the time of the League of Nations and at the start of the UN (1945) many organizations were already in place to plan for this moment in time  when they have the technology and control, to create a totalitarian state to bring their brand of "peace and security" . 

UN and WHO are speaking of food security, environmental security and health security under ONE umbrella of the WHO.  Biden drafted the document which are amendments to the 2005 Health Treaty- but  not all accepted - only one. ... the one that can speed the process up and also will create a negotiation workgroup which will help the proposals to be accepted. 

I think we will all be surprised when we learn that the 2005 treaty has been changed and the changes adopted.  The WHO said that the previous powers were NOT enough to create a security of health on the globe.  They want more powers to be able to control people who do not cooperate with them...... this is the power which will give them permission to persecute all those who do not worship the beast and the image of the beast.  The one whom you obey is your master.  Romans 6.  How far will we be prepared to obey - that is the question we now have to answer.... 

50 minutes ago, BroRando said:

kingdoms are entering their final hour

revelation 17:  “The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast. ¹³  These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast."

When does the "one hour" start?  When the "image of the beast receives authority with the ten kings who have not ruled before. This wild beast is the scarlet colored wild beast which is the "image of the beast (the UN). Revelation 17 talks about the scarlet beast which destroys religion - UN. 

"  And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. ¹⁷  For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought,

 The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And the inhabitants of the earth—those whose names have not been written in the scroll of life from the founding of the world—will be amazed when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present.

 And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction."

(This is why I watch the goings-on of the UN because other kingdoms will willingly hand over authority to it so that it rules for one hour ....) It seems the new kings will either be the corporations or the oligarchs behind the corporations because they signed a deal with the UN 2 and half years ago - giving it lots of money and teeth.  There are so many silent deals going on behind the scenes, this is just another one:

https://rumble.com/vos68h-the-contracts-signed-between-pfizer-and-the-european-parliament-unbelievabl.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Pandemic+Dilemmas&ep=2

revelation 3: And it was permitted to give breath* to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who refuse to worship the image of the wild beast.

We are almost there - as UN failed to get full rulership last month.... But secret deals are going on behind the scenes which will be voted upon soon.  When this happens full power will kick in after 8 months...! 

This is a good sign to watch where we are in the stream of time!

19 minutes ago, BroRando said:

just as the days of Noah

When there has been controversy on this forum about 1914, I always said that I am open to this generation being 120 years - the probability is high.   BUT...... we must watch for ALL the signs......

Last month the WHO of UN was thwarted in taking over the rule of the world regarding health, environment and food security.  They will try again next month and in august.  

What does bible prophecy indicate - that "Image of the  beast will only rule for ONE hour..."....  which is a short period.  It could be a few years - to another ten years which is doubtful regarding their intentions with the 4th industrial revolution and UN Agenda 2030... ......... Regarding the pace of developments in the secular world - we will soon be faced with a totalitarian government which will demand worship of the image of beast and absolute obedience to its directives .... or face the consequences.

Their hearts are already set at the destruction of religion - so Jehovah will let it go into fruition when the time is right. After this we will watch the dismantling of society as we knew it.  This can also happen relatively quickly - especially under extreme conditions of hunger, suffering and totalitarianism.  

Jehovah will have to step in to save some flesh....   : “There will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now . . . In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved.” (Matthew 24:21, 22) But God promises us that many humans will survive: “The world is passing away . . . , but the one who does the will of God remains forever.”—1 John 2:17.

What I am doing now is some cautioning - not to settle on a definite date.  Jehovah says he is going to cut those days (like Noah) short in order to save some.   So in my estimation, the conditions in the world will be worse than before the flood.... and Jehovah will have to step in to save the great crowd... while quite a large number of them are still alive. 

On 6/12/2022 at 12:54 AM, Peter Carroll said:

is not the reason the lifespan was reduced was that god did not want man to continue as a sinner for long periods of time

After the flood they did not immediately come down in age. Noah still lived (if I remember correctly) 350 years after the flood. Gradually the life spans became less.  Well, a long time ago my brother did a paper (not published - he does this for fun), which indicated the build-up of bad UV light after the flood.  When it reached a certain peak it would start to influence peoples span of life.

So life went down and settled at 70 to 80 years in the time of David.

7 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

very important number in the bible

Thank you for your perspective...... I enjoyed reading it.

This however does not in my mind justify jumping to a 2034 conclusion for Armageddon and the beginning of the new millenium. 

However, the idea is not far fetched.... as I said before ..... because the generation in Noah's time before the flood  was 120 years. 

3 hours ago, WalterPrescott said:

you come here and show your feminist true colors

False accusation. you do not know me...... maybe you say this because I expose deceit.

I rarely vote someone down - only when they are extremely rude..... or insulting. 

4 hours ago, JW Insider said:

And yet, you go so far as to imply that all can be lost, like Satan, if one doesn't accept the meaning of "40" and the fact of Jesus being dead for exactly 40 hours.

Agreed. We must be careful that we do not fall into the trap of Numerology. 

7 hours ago, BroRando said:

ne day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8)

This is a basic teaching my dear... we all understand this.... It is just hard to apply it in the way you do by using the scriptures you apply this principle to.  One cannot take a random concept and apply it. 

11 minutes ago, Peter Carroll said:

Brothers and sisters patting each others backs

actually - we have nice discussions and do not always agree.... but the nastiness is much less - so one can learn something.

11 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

xpectations are for TRUTH. Hence i am, Patiently waiting for Truth. 

I think you expect absolute purity and absolute truth; Your brush is broad and judgmental ..... hence you will be waiting past Armageddon for the perfection you search for and truth.....  not in this world.   Humans can only try to reflect Jehovah and even the sincere ones do it with imperfection. 

1 minute ago, BroRando said:

hour period while he was DEAD. So his prophecy can't be about a 72 hour period. 

Neither is the beginning of the 1000 year reign on earth - a temple!  It is the forecourt of the temple!

1 minute ago, BroRando said:

Jesus was raised by HIS FATHER. 

I totally agree - but I do not like you to use this scripture to prove A SPRESIFIC TIMELINE - SO YOU ARE ACTUALLY CHANGING THE SUBJECT!

19 minutes ago, BroRando said:

ear down this temple, and in three days { I } will raise it up.

Jesus did not raise himself, he was dead and conscious of nothing

This was the sign of Jonah they will get.  In the scripture below it indicates that the disciples remembered his words and remembered what Jesus used to say.

 ¹⁹  Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”l ²⁰  The Jews then said: “This temple was built in 46 years, and will you raise it up in three days?” ²¹  But he was talking about the temple of his body. ²²  When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples recalled that he used to say this,n and they believed the scripture and what Jesus had spoken.

The point here - it is referring not to periods of literal time or the physical temple - but the body of Christ!  I quoted the scripture so you can read it with your own eyes!

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

JW Org pretends to be 'no part of the world'. It pretends to be morally clean

Most of us are morally clean - it just takes ONE person who oversteps the principles of Jehovah to put a bad spot on an entire congregation.  BUT Jehovah forgave Manasseh who burnt his children in fire; he also forgave David who murdered someone and committed adultery.  We learn from this: humans who serve Jehovah are imperfect and prone to lose faith and do wrong things. 

Are there individual hypocrites who pretend to be moral when they are not?  I am sure there are. But they are usually exposed.  Jehovah himself says : that which is hidden will be exposed (paraphrased). So I trust that Jehovah does expose things........ but then people with bad motives will use this s fuel to hurt their brothers. But they will also be judged.  Who judges his brother harshly will face Jehovah's judgement.  So repent.

Conclusion:  it is morally wrong from YOU to expect JWs to NEVER make any mistakes or have blotches.  Unfortunately, your expectations are so high, I wonder if any person  could find approval in front of Jehovah by your standard.  Like David I say:  " Thank goodness Jehovah is the judge and not the super fine apostles; or those who stand in judgement of their fellow worshipers.

2 hours ago, WalterPrescott said:

for those that actually wanted to understand 1914. To

For us as JW Christians, 1914 is the year in which Jesus was invisibly crowned in the heavens (Daniel 7:) and was set to rule among his enemies  Psalm 110:   Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” ²  Jehovah will extend the scepter of your power out of Zion, saying: “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.”

Daniel 7: ¹³  “I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man  was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One. ¹⁴  And to him there were given rulership, honor,  and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed."

 The Jews claimed to be fleshly children of Abraham. John 8:39. ³⁹  "In answer they said to him: “Our father is Abraham.” Jesus said to them: “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works of Abraham."

Many people believe that Israel is still the nation of God.  

Matt. 21:42, 43: “Jesus said to them [the chief priests and the older men of the Jews in Jerusalem]: ‘Did you never read in the Scriptures, “The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and it is marvelous in our eyes”? This is why I say to you, The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.’”

Consider: Following the Babylonian exile, when Israel was restored to its land, the people were to restore true worship in their God-given land. One of the first projects undertaken was the rebuilding of Jehovah’s temple in Jerusalem. However, since the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 C.E., the temple has never been rebuilt. Instead, in the former temple area stands an Islamic shrine. If the Jews, who say they are under the Mosaic Law, were today in Jerusalem as God’s chosen people, would not the temple devoted to his worship have been rebuilt?

Gal. 3:27-29: “All of you who were baptized into Christ  have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one person in union with Christ Jesus. Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.” (So, from God’s standpoint, it is no longer natural descent from Abraham that determines who are Abraham’s seed.)

Why am I giving all these details?  It seems you view the history of Israel as the fulfillment of 1914 prophecies (please correct me if I am wrong).  So only pertaining to those born into the nation of Israel.  The above scriptures should indicate that JWs see it in a different light.

31 minutes ago, BroRando said:

"All the peoples of the earth will have to SEE that Jehovah’s name has been called upon you, and they will be afraid of you." (Deut 28:10)

ditto.

19 minutes ago, BroRando said:

“Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

In this instance he was speaking figuratively of his BODY - not the congregation or the millennial reign.   

23 minutes ago, BroRando said:

three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19)

Read verse 21 and you will see Jesus was talking about his personal body -  " "21 but he was talking about the temple of his body".  As I said before' one cannot use this reference to the most sacred event to refer to his reign. 

24 minutes ago, BroRando said:

"He will revive us after two days. On the third day he will raise us up, And we will live before him." (Hosea 6:2)

Out of context because Jehovah spoke about the restoring of his people after genuine repentance NOT about millennial end of times.   "he struck us but he will bind out wounds, He will revive us after two days, on the third day he will raise us up.  We know that the number two and three has significance for the assurance that it will happen. When did Jehovah struck Christian believers down?   However, he did strike Israel when he allowed them to be exiled.

33 minutes ago, BroRando said:

We also get 1914 from another 'timed event' that occurred. But when you add the Last Days of Noah, what do you get for the Last Days of this Age? 1914 + 120 yrs = 2034

Now this comparison I can agree with because you are comparing concrete numbers and a specific timed event.  It may apply - but Jehovah is going to cut the time short in order to save some..... so Armageddon can come at any time between today and the date you are giving - which is derived from the flood event.

5 hours ago, WalterPrescott said:

understand chronology, not dumb dogs.

Are you continually calling us dumb dogs because you believe us to be "unclean" like dogs?

6 hours ago, WalterPrescott said:

Now, if you don't understand, WW1 and the Jews being freed by the grips of the Muslims (Ottoman Empire), when they were handed over to the Arabs by G-d (Babylonians), thus ending the gentile times, your ignorance is as bad as JWI.

I know much of this history.  I live in a country now that is nominally Muslim, was under the Ottoman empire for 500 years. I also know the history of the Sultans, Ataturk, I watch Erdogan's antics, I read the Quran and studied Sharia law....... 

BUT I still do not understand your presumed application of what you were trying to bring across. The Jews were put under a protectorate after WW1 until they received their own state since 1948, but there are very few true worshippers of Jehovah in this state at present and and very few who accept that Jesus was the Messiah.  As a nation, they are no longer Jehovah's people.  (Jer 31 from verse 31 onward)  They do not even pronounce  Jehovah's name to make it known and bring glory to it! 

After 1914 - when Jehovah chose those who would do the preaching work globally -  the JW remnant were freed from Babylon the Great (and the prisons) and they really preached against Babylon the Great!   It was like the plagues in the Book of revelation.... painful to Christendom to be exposed in such a fiery way!

Most of the scriptures now going into fulfillment is about the true Israel of God (Gal 6:16) not the State of Israel. 

Jer31:  ³³  “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Jehovah. “I will put my law within them,b and in their heart I will write it.c And I will become their God, and they will become my people.”d³⁴  “And they will no longer teach each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know Jehovah!’e for they will all know me, from the least to the greatest of them,”f declares Jehovah. “For I will forgive their error, and I will no longer remember their sin.”g

8 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

of course its not talking about only a few 120 year olds enduring to the end,and just as people have rebelled against the generation issue makes it difficult for THEM

ditto