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1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

nd this person is of the true Anointed ?  And this person is inspired of God's Holy spirit

So you are saying that a person that goes to investigate the original manuscripts, this person has to be anointed to be able to distinguish the spelling of the Name of god?  Only the true anointed can understand this?  

I will not ask any further questions because then I will just expose you.  I think you have humiliated yourself enough!

6 hours ago, BroRando said:

Here's a small gift for you

Thank you!  That is nice!

My brother sent me a summary of Nehemia Gordon's book two years ago.  In it Nehemia explains that the name comes from  hollow root - which is a very rare form.   And if I remember correctly it means : he is, he was and will be.

The word eHYeH has all three letters of the root HYH, which may lead you to conclude that HYH is a "whole" root. However, in other forms of the verb, the second and third letter drop, which means it is a "hollow" root. For example, HaYiti (spelled HYYty) "I was", is missing the third letter of the root H, and in its place, has a Yod. On the other hand, the masculine singular imperative Heveh (pronounced Heh Vay) "be!", is missing the second letter of the root, and in its place, has a Vav. This last piece of information is crucial, because it means in certain forms, the root looks like HVH, even though in fact it is HYH. This can be confusing because there is an unrelated root which really is HVH, which has an entirely different meaning from HYH.

Yehovah comes from the same root as Ehyeh: the hollow root HYH. Yehovah is actually a combination of three verb-forms: Hayah "he was", Hoveh "he is", and Yih'yeh "he is now and will continue to be in the future". Together Hayah, Hoveh, and Yih'yeh combine into the name Yehovah.

8 minutes ago, BroRando said:

hen you quote scripture from Bible

Jesus read from the Hebrew scriptures and taught Jehovah's name (we all know the last prayer he said before being taken into custody - wherein he mentions several times that he taught people his father's name), due to the tradition that started before his time to eliminate the enunciation of the Name, Jehovah.  To deny this fact is deliberate obtuseness.

1 hour ago, Chioke Lin said:

He traces over it with
the pen and sanctifies it …

Thank you for the extra information.

8 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

But in reality all we really have is YHWH. 

Not true.  More than enough evidence has been provided by Nehemia Gordon. He personally went and investigated each occurrence of the name in the  extant, manuscripts in the Hebrew language.

6 hours ago, BroRando said:

This New Invention

Loved this - where did you get the info?

14 hours ago, JW Insider said:

not have the "Y" sound. Of course it does.

What is mean by that is that most nations pronounce the Y as a Ye or Ya.......and they uasually write it as a "J".  It is not the phonetical sound that you find in English such as body, buddy, folly etc......  which comes out as an "ee" sound. 

7 hours ago, Chioke Lin said:

This type of reasoning actually has bible support.

I talk about morality..... which also has bible support.  You see there are many ways to get to the same point. 

You may use your reasoning and I use mine.  If there is no morality then people have no accountability and if there is no accountability then society does not function properly because each person does their own thing.  Who decides what is right of wrong? and who enforces the right or wrong?  Can humans decide right or wrong? 

True atheists do not have a compass for right or wrong, except where they have rubbed shoulders with some kind of religion because their morality usually reflect society norms. 

From this point.... I can show that jehovah is the only one who can decide morality for society and he has the right to bring an end to severe immorality when it threatens humankind extinction.

We have now reached a point in history where governments can no longer be trusted. They oppress those who do not follow their brand of morality.....worship of only the state, LGBTQ, etc. The human race is threatened by modern science (too many to mention here.... but I can just mention one.... the threat of bio weapons.... ). 

4 hours ago, Witness said:

proven that "Jehovah" is a made up name. 

Jewish scholars have never searched for the pronunciation because Jews do not pronounce the name for very ungodly reasons.  

The first time in modern history a scholar went searching for the name was in the past few years.  The last time I heard they more than 1000 places where the vowel Mark's were inserted VERIFIED by going to the library and inspecting it to see if the ink is authentic etc. Almost 2000 have been found.... 

Your word "proven" is the wrong word to use..... 

The true pronunciation is Yehovah.....  unfortunately English does not have the Y sound.... the J-sound is closest

1 minute ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Yeshua / Jesus,

You do not call him Jesus but always you write Yeshua - which is a bit affectatious.... but we leave it at that.  You also refuse to call the god of the bible, Jehovah. 

40 minutes ago, Peter Carroll said:

“Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth,

Your words are strong. Small snakes are just a poisonous as an adult snake ...... but true.

1 hour ago, Chioke Lin said:

Reasoning plays a great role as well.

Good point.  I use logical reasoning for example, when I speak to atheists who believe in evolution. 

35 minutes ago, BroRando said:

She makes the false claim that there is no 1,000 years, then quotes the scripture, "Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison," (Rev 20:7)

This is why I usually avoid this person.  Logic has evaporated.... 

2 hours ago, Chioke Lin said:

we are uncomfortable answering scathing remarks,

I have never been uncomfortable in answering scathing remarks but it is a matter of showing wisdom in each situation.  We follow Jesus' example do we not?  Is Jesus' example not timeless? ... and wise? "

17 minutes ago, Chioke Lin said:

you just made a point clear with another commentator that is opposed to the Org

I think I have been on this forum since 2016..... (I have not checked it).   In that time I  have come to know the remarks of  of some of the extremely nasty apostates on here.  I usually ignore them. It is rare that I answer them unless they get into their usual MO. I then point out to them that they are acting in character. 

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Just now, Chioke Lin said:

In a bible forum, as well as door to door, it's required to meet such challenge, as it has become part of man's philosophy now

Jesus - set the example for us to obtain the best results.  I have read extensively throughout my life (next year I will be 50 years baptized) .... I learnt the truth while I was at university.....  Many of us can challenge people we meet with worldly knowledge....... but this is not the way Jesus taught us to teach. Paul tells us we must not try to convince people with worldly knowledge but with the Truth and the Spirit of Jehovah.

Of course there is a time for everything!  So, at times use good logic and  with a little help of our secular knowledge to convince people...... but the Sacred Secret is our most valuable possession to share.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

You are saying that all the faithful patriarchs

revelation 20:  " ²  He seized the dragon, the original serpent,c who is the Devil and Satan,e and bound him for 1,000 years. ³  And he hurled him into the abyss and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not mislead the nations anymore until the 1,000 years were ended. After this he must be released for a little while."

⁷  Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, ⁸  and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. ⁹  And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them."

For incase you have never read this - the above comes from Revelation 20.  Since it is clear that it is referring to the four corners of the earth!    it seems you rather pretend to ignore this scripture! ..... and proceed to make up your own stuff!

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

could prove your points purely by scripture,

Full blown hate=OCD again.....    ....  Same old same old rehash , rehash MO. 

8 hours ago, Chioke Lin said:

Too much opposition from both sides. That's the perception I'm getting.

I thought this is a discussion forum about the bible, not about the person. Perhaps, it's time to find a better forum

No, you are taking a little offense at an impersonal discussion.  We do not know you personally....so we cannot damage you personally,  we can only reply to what you say.  So far it has been nice to talk to you in a very forthright way.   If we all have to hide what we think then it stifles free talking and openness. Some cultures are more prone to save face and others are not. My culture is almost challenging...... lol.  So please accept that our intent (well my own is) is only to up build my fellows here and open up that which needs more discussion from every side. . When I see a thought that is different to mine I will clarify what I think about it.... it is only by sharing honest thoughts that our thoughts are adjusted..... when we see new perspectives.  We learn here all the time. 

6 hours ago, Witness said:

Do you take that message to the door?   (Second Armageddon?)

I have preached this many times when I have reached this teaching  stage of  discussion regarding Jehovahs purpose and justice.... because it shows the LOGIC of Jehovah (every aspect of his actions have been well planned. ........Having the foresight to plan to test all "perfect" humans like he did Adam.   Him having the foresight to rule humankind in complete justice and remove those with an incomplete heart.   At the end of thousand years jehovah will test each perfect person, just like he did Adam....... as a perfect human being they will have the wonderful  opportunity to prove their faithfulness.

The bible itself shows that jehovah will release the demons again and an indeterminable number of people (like sand of the sea), will rebel ( like Adam did)......or in greater numbers and with similar intent  as Gog and Magog  -  to disrupt Godly rulership.... but Jehovah has proven that humans cannot rule the earth successfully - so they will go straight to second death.... by their own "perfect" choice. 

7 hours ago, Chioke Lin said:

The problem here, you are dealing with people that are opposed to the Org, and it's teachings. So, to them, they feel we are promoting man-made schemes. That's my point. Unless my English is so bad that it cannot be

I see your point too! But we cannot be covering  all "possible scholarly arguments" when talking to people about Jehovahs' purposes.  Jesus is a good example to us. He knew the pharisees were argumentative and likely to divert attention from his message when they put themselves amongst the people.  

Consequently, he knew their bad intent, so he only answered them when the ordinary people, who were genuinely interested, could benefit from his reply to the learned pharisees. 

I have already preached to a group of Muslims where they all keep on listening ... despite the fact that one person is saying out loud that I am a false prophet.  If they want to listen .... they will listen and go and think about it! 

We preach to those who want to listen and to those whom jehovah is drawing to Himself.  We are not better than Jesus are we? We know that very few rich and powerful individuals listened to Jesus.  They did not need him.... they wanted to destroy him. 

55 minutes ago, Chioke Lin said:

There seems to be some misleading words with this interpretation of the bible. 

Good for you! Witness is known here as an apostate and most of us ignore her - although she has some followers who think like she does. 

58 minutes ago, Chioke Lin said:

marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city

It is called Gog and Magog because the situation will ge very similar to Armageddon, wherein the enemies of Jehovah's rule will unify and form a coalition to destroy those who are faithful and holy  here on earth.... those who obey instructions from Jehovahs appointed king. . Jehovah will once again step in and save those loyal to Him. He will remove all those who have been seduced by Satan - all  opposors finally. No prolonged rebellion will be tolerated since the original issue, of who is the best ruler for the earth, has been proven.

31 minutes ago, Chioke Lin said:

How can you convince others that we are not doing the same? In

No, we do not do the same. We do not promote man-made schemes.... which is what Peter referred to. He also mentioned the religious leaders of Jesus'day, who taught commands of men as doctrines.  With this I will remind you of the basic teachings such as the trinity and immortality of the soul which are just two of the most false doctrines taught by christendom..

27 minutes ago, Chioke Lin said:

Satan’s army, with which he essays to conquer the world, i

It is a coalition of nations who come up against the Nation of Jehovah in the time of the end... as Ezekiel 38 so well describes.  People of all nations have been collected together in true worship to Jehovah but Gog of Magog devises an evil plan because it looks as if these people have no protection.  When this coalition of nations come up against Jehovah's people, Jehovah will step in to protect a great crowd  ho will survive Armageddon.

Like you, I have also looked at the names of Togarma, Tubal and Ross (Rus), Persia (Iran) and many of these countries who are (at present) part of the coalition of the King of the North (all with totalitarian regimes). 

We do not know who will further join the king of the North (India? some of those in africa and south america?) but we know that North Korea, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia are part of this new financial coalition...     We also know who are supporting the king of the South.  It is as if the entire world is now choosing sides. 

Russia has already started its march towards Jehovah's people on its own (as a single country), but soon there will be a whole coalition of nations together with it who want to take the spiritual spoil - take away all this pure worship. Will Russia and its allies lead this onslaught? - it seems like it .... but it is not a definite outcome.  We know that the UN (the image of the best or scarlet colored beast) will turn against ALL religion and then later, together with king of the North, UNITED against the people of Jehovah as Satan goes forth to finally attack pure worship.  Satan knows it is his deathblow to turn against Jehovah's people but he will be drawn out like a captive animal in iron hooks ........by Jehovah as the nations fulfill Jehovah's prophetic word.

I do detect that you divide the families of Noah into 3 distinct groups.  This is rather a simplistic view of what happened. While some of the nations can be tracked to the children of Noah and their offspring (many nations have a clear pathway from the children of Noah), one must still be careful to lump them together so simplistically. For 4 thousand years nations were taking slaves, going to war, displacing whole nations and murdering whole villages of peoples.  Some nations were assimilated by others. .... And while the language groups sometimes helps us to detect the origin of a nation (indo-european, sino group, kushites,  etc, a nation usually comprises many gene pools that were mingled - depending on who they fought in wars and how stable the geopolitical area was.  

4 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

He as given the authority to do so ,and jehovah is not supporting mans efforts in any way

The UN will take power for one hour with the ten new kings (or the kings who have not ruled before).  WHO almost took power 3 weeks ago at the UN's WHO health summit but was thwarted by the African nations who do not trust the WHO any longer.  WHO is the only UN organization which has a constitution to rule.  However, the instituted a "working group" who are working behind the scenes to give the UN more power to control countries who did not completely obey orders during the first lockdown.  They will push through amendments to the 2005 World Health Agreement which most nations signed.  It will then be legally binding.

Yes, they there will be chaos once they have brought about the propaganda for the "signs" we are expecting to see - peace and security and destruction of religion.  The system will collapse and the money lost will make the merchants cry over their wealth as they see Babylon the great disintegrate and anarchy ruling.  The fear of the nations as their societies and organizations are rocked like an earthquake.

6 minutes ago, BroRando said:

Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction i

We are all waiting for UN power to take total control to bring to bring "peace and security"  (which almost happened two weeks ago).  Great tribulation is on our doorstep. So we agree on that. And destruction of religion by UN leads to them attacking us after regular religions are all ousted.   These are all literal events of which we will see the physical results visible to all mankind...... They will be in fear of what will be happening next. (Luke 21)