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Melinda Mills

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    Melinda Mills reacted to JW Insider in 1958 "Divine Will International Assembly" of Jehovah's Witnesses   
    This is the first assembly I ever attended. But I wasn't paying very close attention. (I had just turned one year old.) So I probably wasn't even counted among the 194,418 who adopted the resolution.
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Arauna in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    As I said before: eight old men who never personally touched a child (actually too innocent  to comprehend how wicked people can be - too good for this world), mentioned in court documents while people like Epstein who had 37 cases against him in 2007 got off because the FBI covered up for him and went after the victims. A plea bargain made without the victim's lawyers informed.
    All Epstein's workers who knew what was going on since 2007, all his high-up friends and his girlfriend who coached the girls - NOTHING!   New cases in England as well where rape gangs raped young girls - covered up.
    What does that tell you about the condition of the world when the real unscrupulous predators go off free and the innocent who do NOT condone this, are accused.   
    People like you - who just go after JWs- get so much joy out of this......... but this tells me personally that when good is bad and bad is good, we are ever closer to Armageddon.
    Just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more....... thanks to Jehovah, Jesus is the judge.
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    Melinda Mills reacted to The Librarian in The JW Thread to End All Threads   
    I am creating this thread in response to all the non-sequitur replies all the other threads get. 
    I will try to not care if someone responds with a Turkey recipe or True Tom spams us again. 
    This is me throwing up my hands. Officially.

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    Melinda Mills reacted to Anna in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    I am sorry, you misunderstood what I meant. I understand your concern about what the GB think, as they are supposed to be providing food at the proper time, and we are supposed to trust that this food is faultless. But sometimes it isn't. We know that although doing their best, the GB can still make mistakes. In that case, what is ultimately more important than what the GB says or thinks, is what Jehovah says and thinks. This is what I had in mind. By reading several related scriptures it becomes evident that the answer to your concern is that we have to leave it in Jehovahs hands, fully trusting that he is the reader of hearts and is perfectly just and loving, and would NEVER destroy anyone unjustly, even if in our opinion they did the most horrible things. So within this framework, it really doesn't matter what the GB think. Again I apologize, I really did not mean it to sound unloving, just factual. 
    So when you mention that we have to be in line with the orgs. thoughts, yes, but first and foremost we have to be in line with Jehovah's thoughts.
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Anna in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Lol, no, just realistic 😀
    I've learned in life, that most decisions, no matter how noble or spiritual they appear, revolve around sex or money or both. Now call me cynical, lol.
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Anna in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Yes, that is better put, and I have heard brothers say this. Of course we aren't going to hoard any money because we know what the scriptures say about that. But that wasn't really what I was talking about. It was more to do with it being Jehovah's direction. But then JWI will probably remind me that since we are a faith based organization, then anything we do will ultimately be seen as God's direction, even if something isn't.. I don't really have a problem with that. What I don't like seeing is this being used as some kind of tool to make people acquiesce, or as a kind of passive aggressive manipulation by some, or as a cause for being judgemental. ie. If you don't obey, you must be less spiritual than me. With so many unbalanced individuals around, this could cause unnecessary stress I think. What I'm trying to say is I would prefer if it was presented as it really is: a sound financial decision which "makes better use of donated funds" and in order for it to work, your cooperation and support is needed and appreciated, and thank you.  🙂
    That’s not what I had in mind. In fact every Witness knows that the GB is not Jehovah. But they also know that the Bible talks about obeying those taking the lead, i.e. the elders in a congregation which includes members of the GB since they are also elders. Do you have something against that scripture?
    I don't need your approval 🙂
     
     
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    Melinda Mills reacted to 4Jah2me in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Um, empty K H's when the Governing Body say we are so close to the 'end of this system'. I thought there was supposed to be a massive influx near the end, not empty K H's. 
    Actually it is quite difficult for a private person to get insurance for a minibus here in the UK.  The government seem to think it has to be for business use. And congregations will not support the running of a minibus, and elders make that clear. 
    As for 'true Christians' travelling as far as it takes. That is not a loving thought. I know of older brothers and sisters that cannot drive in the dark. I think that here in the UK half of every congregation is old people. So where is this love that should abound in the 'truth' ?  
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Tom Henry in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    The main thing, God will know the reason why. The biggest factor to consider is Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17

    Didn’t Jesus himself quote from the Old Testament? Matthew 19:17-18

    What is anger and reconciliation in Matthew 5:21 all of which apostle Paul well understood as “some” that committed an act against God’s creation would be considered for judgment as did Christ.

    With sociology, we need to understand when the word “suicide” was invented. Self-murder can be more appropriate to align our knowledge with scripture with a greater degree in understanding.

    https://academic.oup.com/jsh/article-abstract/46/3/620/908916?redirectedFrom=PDF

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/philosophy/article/suicide-and-selfmurder/2C862F7D9DC18AC9BEE68DA5E3334814

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/1109529?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents

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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from JW Insider in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    He (Tom Henry) probably used "some" in his explanation because the scripture says all unrighteousness is sin.  The scriptures also show that there is a sin that incurs death and that we would not expect God to cover over. (See Hebrews 10;26) Therefore the apostle John said not to make request about that kind of sin.  That is permanent death.
    (1 John 5:16, 17) 16 If anyone catches sight of his brother committing a sin that does not incur death, he will ask, and God will give life to him, yes, to those not committing sin that incurs death. There is a sin that does incur death. It is concerning that sin that I do not tell him to make request. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and yet there is a sin that does not incur death.
    (Hebrews 10:26) For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,...
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    This is what I gather about suicide or self murder from my research in the Bible itself.
    (Genesis 9:6) 6 Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image He made man.
     (Proverbs 28:17) 17 A man burdened with bloodguilt for taking someone’s life will keep fleeing until the grave. Let no one support him.
     Both of these remedies would be difficult to achieve for a man taking his own life. So there is a difference in taking your own life and taking someone else’s life.
    So it boils down to the same thing - you have to leave it to God.
    God knows whether it is forgivable or whether it is willful and wanton, disrespecting the Creator and life itself.
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    Melinda Mills reacted to JW Insider in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    I thought your post made a lot of good points. We know about God's mercy but we don't want to purposely take advantage of it for selfish purposes. (Of course, we can never get into the mind of the person committing suicide to know whether they were motivated by selfishness, even if the person leaves a lucid note. We leave it to Jehovah to read hearts.)
    Also, wanted to point out that Paul never used the word "some" (in case anyone would have read your words to imply that). Either way, though, I think your point is still valid. 
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    Melinda Mills reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    .... the problem with that is you have to have them with you.
    Hmmmmmm.
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from Anna in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    He (Tom Henry) probably used "some" in his explanation because the scripture says all unrighteousness is sin.  The scriptures also show that there is a sin that incurs death and that we would not expect God to cover over. (See Hebrews 10;26) Therefore the apostle John said not to make request about that kind of sin.  That is permanent death.
    (1 John 5:16, 17) 16 If anyone catches sight of his brother committing a sin that does not incur death, he will ask, and God will give life to him, yes, to those not committing sin that incurs death. There is a sin that does incur death. It is concerning that sin that I do not tell him to make request. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and yet there is a sin that does not incur death.
    (Hebrews 10:26) For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,...
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    This is what I gather about suicide or self murder from my research in the Bible itself.
    (Genesis 9:6) 6 Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image He made man.
     (Proverbs 28:17) 17 A man burdened with bloodguilt for taking someone’s life will keep fleeing until the grave. Let no one support him.
     Both of these remedies would be difficult to achieve for a man taking his own life. So there is a difference in taking your own life and taking someone else’s life.
    So it boils down to the same thing - you have to leave it to God.
    God knows whether it is forgivable or whether it is willful and wanton, disrespecting the Creator and life itself.
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    He (Tom Henry) probably used "some" in his explanation because the scripture says all unrighteousness is sin.  The scriptures also show that there is a sin that incurs death and that we would not expect God to cover over. (See Hebrews 10;26) Therefore the apostle John said not to make request about that kind of sin.  That is permanent death.
    (1 John 5:16, 17) 16 If anyone catches sight of his brother committing a sin that does not incur death, he will ask, and God will give life to him, yes, to those not committing sin that incurs death. There is a sin that does incur death. It is concerning that sin that I do not tell him to make request. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and yet there is a sin that does not incur death.
    (Hebrews 10:26) For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,...
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    This is what I gather about suicide or self murder from my research in the Bible itself.
    (Genesis 9:6) 6 Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image He made man.
     (Proverbs 28:17) 17 A man burdened with bloodguilt for taking someone’s life will keep fleeing until the grave. Let no one support him.
     Both of these remedies would be difficult to achieve for a man taking his own life. So there is a difference in taking your own life and taking someone else’s life.
    So it boils down to the same thing - you have to leave it to God.
    God knows whether it is forgivable or whether it is willful and wanton, disrespecting the Creator and life itself.
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Outta Here in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    "Better use of dedicated funds" is a phrase I hear frequently. Isn't that more appropriate? "Saving" money implies hoarding it up somewhere. I think we are more in the business of using resources aren't we?. Compare Matt.25:24-27 😊
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Outta Here in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    This viewpoint is personal and not only unreasonable, but unscriptural.  In fact, it is also out of line with Jehovah's Witnesses thinking by at least 29 years. As Melinda above said, do your own research in the theocratic literature, and avoid some of the clumsy blundering presented by cleverdicks more interested in their own opinions
    *** g90 9/8 p. 23 Suicides—A Resurrection? ***
    Stunned friends of a suicide victim may thus take comfort in knowing that “Jehovah has shown mercy to those fearing him. For he himself well knows the formation of us, remembering that we are dust.” (Psalm 103:10-14) Only God can fully understand the role of mental sickness, extreme stress, even genetic defects, in a “suicidal crisis,” which, the National Observer noted, “is not a lifetime characteristic [but] often a matter only of minutes or of hours.”—See Ecclesiastes 7:7.
    Granted, one who takes his own life deprives himself of the opportunity to repent of his self-murder. But who can say whether one driven to suicide might have had a change of heart had his fatal attempt failed? Some notorious murderers have, in fact, changed and earned God’s forgiveness during their lifetime.—2 Kings 21:16; 2 Chronicles 33:12, 13.
    Thus, Jehovah, having paid “a ransom in exchange for many,” is within his right to extend mercy, even to some self-murderers, by resurrecting them and giving them the precious opportunity to “repent and turn to God by doing works that befit repentance.”—Matthew 20:28; Acts 26:20.
     
    *** g00 2/22 pp. 6-7 Given a Desire to Live ***
    Yet, never forget that Jehovah God raises up the dead and that this might well include our loved ones who because of depression, mental illness, or despair took their own lives.—See “The Bible’s Viewpoint: Suicides—A Resurrection?” in Awake! of September 8, 1990, pages 22-3.
    While suicide cannot be justified, it is comforting to remember that the future prospects of our loved ones rest with a God who fully understands that weaknesses and frailties could push one to such desperate action. The Bible says of Jehovah: “As the heavens are higher than the earth, his loving-kindness is superior toward those fearing him. As far off as the sunrise is from the sunset, so far off from us he has put our transgressions. As a father shows mercy to his sons, Jehovah has shown mercy to those fearing him. For he himself well knows the formation of us, remembering that we are dust.”—Psalm 103:11-14.
     
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Ask your elders about the list of decisions at the last  Annual Meeting.  Don't think anything about suicide was in that list.
     
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from JW Insider in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Don't think it is new light. Don't be disturbed by anything you hear. Start doing research.  It is easy when you are on the computer.
    People in the organization always used to think one would not get a resurrection if they committed suicide. However, please read  the powerful statement mentioned at the end of this answer to a question from readers (in 2002). Go to the article and read it in full. Continue to do research.
     
    *** w02 6/15 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***
    Questions From Readers
    If someone commits suicide, would it be advisable for a Christian minister to give the funeral talk?
    ….
    Any future prospect for the dead is in the hands of Jehovah, and no one is in a position to say whether the deceased will be resurrected or not. The minister can concentrate on the Bible truths about death and offer comfort for the bereaved." End Quote
     
    Underscoring = mine
     
     
     
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Anna in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    No new light, just the elder's opinion, and not a very good one at that. It still stands that Jehovah will be the judge as he knows the reasons and circumstance.
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from Anna in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Ask your elders about the list of decisions at the last  Annual Meeting.  Don't think anything about suicide was in that list.
     
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Ask your elders about the list of decisions at the last  Annual Meeting.  Don't think anything about suicide was in that list.
     
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    Melinda Mills reacted to 4Jah2me in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Thank you, i have read this already, but it isn't very recent.. My main point was to find out if the Governing Body / Writing Dept' has very recently written anything new regarding suicide. In the last 6 month maybe ? 
    My personal feelings are that God, through Jesus Christ, will resurrect all those that they find worthy. And that 'worthiness' cannot be judged by any human. Thanks again.
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Don't think it is new light. Don't be disturbed by anything you hear. Start doing research.  It is easy when you are on the computer.
    People in the organization always used to think one would not get a resurrection if they committed suicide. However, please read  the powerful statement mentioned at the end of this answer to a question from readers (in 2002). Go to the article and read it in full. Continue to do research.
     
    *** w02 6/15 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***
    Questions From Readers
    If someone commits suicide, would it be advisable for a Christian minister to give the funeral talk?
    ….
    Any future prospect for the dead is in the hands of Jehovah, and no one is in a position to say whether the deceased will be resurrected or not. The minister can concentrate on the Bible truths about death and offer comfort for the bereaved." End Quote
     
    Underscoring = mine
     
     
     
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from ComfortMyPeople in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Don't think it is new light. Don't be disturbed by anything you hear. Start doing research.  It is easy when you are on the computer.
    People in the organization always used to think one would not get a resurrection if they committed suicide. However, please read  the powerful statement mentioned at the end of this answer to a question from readers (in 2002). Go to the article and read it in full. Continue to do research.
     
    *** w02 6/15 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***
    Questions From Readers
    If someone commits suicide, would it be advisable for a Christian minister to give the funeral talk?
    ….
    Any future prospect for the dead is in the hands of Jehovah, and no one is in a position to say whether the deceased will be resurrected or not. The minister can concentrate on the Bible truths about death and offer comfort for the bereaved." End Quote
     
    Underscoring = mine
     
     
     
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    Melinda Mills reacted to 4Jah2me in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    I was in conversation with an elder last week (or maybe two weeks ago) and I don't quite know how we got onto the topic but we started talking about suicide. I was a bit surprised when he said "But don't commit suicide or you will not get a resurrection". 
    I was wondering where exactly this information comes from. Having recovered from the shock, I have since emailed this elder and got no response. I have looked on JW Org and read a couple of older articles on there, but they seemed to say that it is or was not their place to judge, which i agree with. 
    So, is there 'new light' on the subject of suicide ? If so where does this new light come from ? And what scriptures back up this 'new light' ?
    I will willingly read any recent articles that are passed on to me, as this latest information, if it is true, i find disturbing. I know of many people that have committed suicide, both inside and outside of the Jehovah's Witnesses Organisation. 
     
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Who is the moderator? This topic should be closed.
     

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