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    Witness got a reaction from TheQuixoticTheo in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    Can you explain it here?
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED   
    I think some here may agree, that James 1:27 tells us that there is no need to join an organization where the leadership has failed at ‘bridling’ their tongue.  Their teachings, changed doctrine taught once as fact; and today’s doctrine that will change out of necessity, proves their heart is deceptive.  
    “If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless.”  James 1:26
    Why pursue a useless religion.
    The Bible considers deception, which is the doctrine of men that has defiled God’s Word with the word of their own, as spiritual filth. (Prov 13:5; Matt 7:15,19; 15:9; Eph 4:14,15) The anointed in the organization had truth implanted in their heart at their anointing.  (John 8:32; 1 John 2:21,27) However they are choosing the words of men, over the pure and undefiled word of God in Christ. (Lam 2:14; Matt 24:23-25)
    Again the word of the Lord came to me: 24 “Son of man, say to the land, ‘You are a land that has not been cleansed or rained on in the day of wrath.’ 25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets (GB) within her like a roaring lion tearing its prey; they devour people, take treasures and precious things and make many widows within her. 26 Her priests (elders) do violence to my law and profane my holy things (Temple/anointed/dwelling of God 1 Cor 3:16,17);
    they do not distinguish between the holy and the common; they teach that there is no difference between the unclean and the clean; and they shut their eyes to the keeping of my Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them. 27 Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain. (disfellowshipping, a spiritual “death” Rev 13:15)
    28 Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says’—when the Lord has not spoken.
     29 The people of the land practice extortion and commit robbery; they oppress the poor and needy and mistreat the foreigner, denying them justice.  Ezek 22
    “Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.”  James 1:21
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    Matt. 5:4 ❤️
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    So recent, and she was about the age of my little brother - 60.  I'm sorry Matthew.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    Man of Lawlessness = Christendom?  
    2 Thess 2:1-4 - Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 
    3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 
    4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
    What is God's Temple?  I'll let you answer that:
    “The Sealing of the 144,000 Is At Hand”…
    The scriptures do indicate some insight to what he meant,  "But he was talking about the temple of his body." (John 2:21)  Notice the scripture doesn't state his fleshly body for his fleshly body was to be sacrificed once and for all time, but rather 'the temple of his body.' 
    If Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone of God's temple, then there must be other stones? The scripture gives us evidence that others are also included as God’s temple that Jesus Christ himself would raise up. "Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you? (1 Corinthians 3:16)  Again, this did not happen in a 72 hour period but rather the process of raising up the foundation of the living stones began on Pentecost 33 CE. 
    The Apostle Peter referred to the temple by stating, "As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but chosen, precious to God, you yourselves as living stones are being built up into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, in order to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 2:4-5)
    Can the Body of Christ be the same as God’s temple? Yes. “Just as the body is one but has many members, and all the members of that body, although many, are one body, so too is the Christ.” (1 Cor 12:12)  "For just as we have in one body many members, but the members do not all have the same function, so we, although many, are one body in union with Christ, but individually we are members belonging to one another." (Romans 12:4) 
     So when can the 144,000 of God’s temple be raised up?
    4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
    Can you explain how Christendom will or has, "set himself up", which means "rule" over the anointed Temple of God?
    Who has authority over the anointed priesthood/Temple of God in the organization?  Who judges them, and acts as their "representative"?  Who utilizes their "clergy status" when it is convenient?
    2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 
    Do you realize that it is the Wt which asserts that the "day of the Lord" has already come? 1914.
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    Matt. 5:4 ❤️
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    Can you explain it here?
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED   
    I think some here may agree, that James 1:27 tells us that there is no need to join an organization where the leadership has failed at ‘bridling’ their tongue.  Their teachings, changed doctrine taught once as fact; and today’s doctrine that will change out of necessity, proves their heart is deceptive.  
    “If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless.”  James 1:26
    Why pursue a useless religion.
    The Bible considers deception, which is the doctrine of men that has defiled God’s Word with the word of their own, as spiritual filth. (Prov 13:5; Matt 7:15,19; 15:9; Eph 4:14,15) The anointed in the organization had truth implanted in their heart at their anointing.  (John 8:32; 1 John 2:21,27) However they are choosing the words of men, over the pure and undefiled word of God in Christ. (Lam 2:14; Matt 24:23-25)
    Again the word of the Lord came to me: 24 “Son of man, say to the land, ‘You are a land that has not been cleansed or rained on in the day of wrath.’ 25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets (GB) within her like a roaring lion tearing its prey; they devour people, take treasures and precious things and make many widows within her. 26 Her priests (elders) do violence to my law and profane my holy things (Temple/anointed/dwelling of God 1 Cor 3:16,17);
    they do not distinguish between the holy and the common; they teach that there is no difference between the unclean and the clean; and they shut their eyes to the keeping of my Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them. 27 Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain. (disfellowshipping, a spiritual “death” Rev 13:15)
    28 Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says’—when the Lord has not spoken.
     29 The people of the land practice extortion and commit robbery; they oppress the poor and needy and mistreat the foreigner, denying them justice.  Ezek 22
    “Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.”  James 1:21
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    Project in such a sensitive time?  Wait.  The time was sensitive for my family when the letter was received from a JW in March.   Perhaps it is that JW who shouldn't have projected at such a sensitive time.
    As you say,
    But thank you Allen, for your condolences.  It's the nicest thing I've ever heard you say.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    Well, it’s not necessary to endure to the end…of what I wrote. 🙂
    Throw you a bone?  The “man of lawlessness” that rules over the spiritual Temple dwelling of God (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22), is the elder body.  Gerrit Loesch has his own ideas of just who God’s Temple consists of.  It appears to be new light, not formally announced as such.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    Thank you, Srecko. ❤️   The flowers are beautiful. 🙂 
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    Project in such a sensitive time?  Wait.  The time was sensitive for my family when the letter was received from a JW in March.   Perhaps it is that JW who shouldn't have projected at such a sensitive time.
    As you say,
    But thank you Allen, for your condolences.  It's the nicest thing I've ever heard you say.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    So recent, and she was about the age of my little brother - 60.  I'm sorry Matthew.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED   
    I think some here may agree, that James 1:27 tells us that there is no need to join an organization where the leadership has failed at ‘bridling’ their tongue.  Their teachings, changed doctrine taught once as fact; and today’s doctrine that will change out of necessity, proves their heart is deceptive.  
    “If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless.”  James 1:26
    Why pursue a useless religion.
    The Bible considers deception, which is the doctrine of men that has defiled God’s Word with the word of their own, as spiritual filth. (Prov 13:5; Matt 7:15,19; 15:9; Eph 4:14,15) The anointed in the organization had truth implanted in their heart at their anointing.  (John 8:32; 1 John 2:21,27) However they are choosing the words of men, over the pure and undefiled word of God in Christ. (Lam 2:14; Matt 24:23-25)
    Again the word of the Lord came to me: 24 “Son of man, say to the land, ‘You are a land that has not been cleansed or rained on in the day of wrath.’ 25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets (GB) within her like a roaring lion tearing its prey; they devour people, take treasures and precious things and make many widows within her. 26 Her priests (elders) do violence to my law and profane my holy things (Temple/anointed/dwelling of God 1 Cor 3:16,17);
    they do not distinguish between the holy and the common; they teach that there is no difference between the unclean and the clean; and they shut their eyes to the keeping of my Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them. 27 Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain. (disfellowshipping, a spiritual “death” Rev 13:15)
    28 Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says’—when the Lord has not spoken.
     29 The people of the land practice extortion and commit robbery; they oppress the poor and needy and mistreat the foreigner, denying them justice.  Ezek 22
    “Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.”  James 1:21
     
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    Witness reacted to Pudgy in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED   
    As far as I am concerned, this covers it all.
    Doing just those two things is a 24/7/365 job.
    Everything else can be discarded.
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    Witness got a reaction from Matthew9969 in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    You've just described the organization and its leadership...perfectly.
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    Well, it’s not necessary to endure to the end…of what I wrote. 🙂
    Throw you a bone?  The “man of lawlessness” that rules over the spiritual Temple dwelling of God (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22), is the elder body.  Gerrit Loesch has his own ideas of just who God’s Temple consists of.  It appears to be new light, not formally announced as such.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    When my youngest brother died just recently, the family received a letter from a local JW. JWs tend to scour the obituaries and promote the organization’s website, as the source for all spiritual comfort and answers. The letter was handed over to me, since my family knows my history as a JW.  Amazingly, it did not contain even one scripture, but only reference to the website. This is my reply, sent off to the JW.
    Hello,
    My family received a letter from you regarding my brother’s death. I appreciate the intention, but you were writing to Catholics who believe that people go to heaven when they die. The resurrection hope is difficult for them to piece together with their belief that heaven awaits fellow believers, so they presently feel my brother is in heaven.
    As you say, those in the memorial tombs will be resurrected to eternal life. They are those whom even in death, are among the “living”. (Mark 12:26,27) 
    But, there are others whom Jesus said,
    “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Matt 7:21-23
    We know that these people say they believe in the Son, and obey his teachings, but Jesus reveals their lawless acts. (2 Cor 11:4;2 Thess 2:3,4,8-10) We are told that in the last days, false teachers and false prophets will mislead the “elect”. These elect, are the anointed ones, the chosen royal priesthood of God. (1 Pet 2:5,9) (“elect”, Strong's G1588 – “chosen”) All the anointed priests, except those who have left or been disfellowshipped, are found in the organization. No other religion can be said to have in their midst, authentic anointed “kings of the earth”. (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10; 21:22-24) 
    How then, can the anointed be misled if they belong to the “Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses”? There have been many doctrinal changes throughout the years, all previously taught as truth, but later discarded. This is a clear sign of rotten fruit/teachings that governing leaders/false teachers offer to the flock. (Matt 7:15-19; John 15:7,8,16) One of the more recent changes concerned a new identity and appointment of the “faithful and discreet slave” – a “faithful steward” over the spiritual house of God. This “slave” has a large group of helpers, including all elders worldwide, who have been given the authority to rule over God’s anointed priests, basically backing them into a corner, and out of sight. (Isa 30:20) It has been clarified that the elder body “represent sthe royal priesthood”. This position created by men, cannot be “challenged”, as the provided wt. magazine states – w02 8/1 p. 13-14 
    Jesus is the chief cornerstone of the Temple/dwelling of God. (Isa 28:16; 1 Pet 2:6) With him, are the foundation stones of apostles and prophets. (1 Cor 3:10,11; Eph 2:20) As the years have gone by since the first century, faithful anointed “living stones” have been sealed into God’s spiritual House. (Matt 7:24; Eph 2:21,22; 2 Cor 1:22; Heb 12:22; Rev 7:4) 
    These anointed people were sent by Christ to teach and “witness” about his word of truth. (John 14:6; 13:20; Mal 2:7; Matt 28:18-20; 2 Cor 4:2; Eph 4:15;2 Tim 2:19) 
    Yes, the anointed are the authentic “witnesses” of God. Setting up a representation or substitute of this priesthood does not follow the teachings of Christ. Rather, in each account of the Bible where foreigners - Gentiles - entered the early temple, or those other than God’s chosen priesthood, acted as priests, destruction occurred. (Ezek 44:6-9;2 Chron 13:9) You may want to read the account of Korah as reiterated in the article I mentioned. (Num 16:3-7,10,11,18,20,21,35,40) 
    How would Jesus Christ view spiritual “Gentiles” replacing those whom he had already sent – those who are members of his spiritual Body? (2 Cor 11:4; Gal 5:25,24; 3:29; Rom 8:14,16,17) In the last days, the “man of lawlessness” sets itself up in the Temple of God. (2 Thess 2:3,4) It “stands where it does not belong”. (Mark 13:14; Rev 13: 5-7,18) This “man” is the elder body. “He” is the enemy from the north; not Russia, which targets JWs, anointed or not, in one country. (Joel 2:2,7-9; Rev 9:3-6) 
    The enemy of God’s people are those who surround them – all of them, which is the elder leadership in the organization. (Rev 20:7-10) If an anointed priest speaks against the teachings of the governing body because those teachings are wrong, they can be spiritually “killed” - judged by the elder body, and disfellowshipped. (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12,15) The elders do not have God’s approval to remove His priests, and spiritually “sit”/rule over His dwelling in spirit. (1 Cor 3:16,17) If they did, would there be a need to state that the elders’ position as counterfeit “priests”, cannot be challenged? 
    John 16:2 – “They will put you out of the synagogues and make you outcasts. And a time is coming when whoever kills you will think that he is offering service to God.”
    These scriptures describe the anointed:
    “You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord, “And my servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.” Isa 43:10
    “You, like living stones, are being built up into a spiritual house for a holy and dedicated priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices that are acceptable and pleasing to God through Jesus Christ.” 1 Pet 2:5
    This priesthood should be busy teaching the truth – truth that is to remain, which was poured into their heart upon anointing. (John 15:16; 1 John 2:27) They are not to be submissive to men, who are appointed by men through the spurious use of God’s word. (Rom 14:4; Gal 1:10; Col 2:20-23; 2 Cor 11:20) Their spiritual offerings, or sacrifices of praise, should not be regulated or dissolved by a select few, who have replaced Jesus as their Head. (Dan 8:11,12; 11:31) 
    A faithful steward of a house gleans provisions from all sources. He is not the accountant and the cook, and gardener. He is the manager of all provisions offered by his fellow servants, and ensures their quality. (Luke 16:1,2; Rom 12:8; 1 Cor 4:1,2; Titus 1:7) 
    Jesus’ parable of a wicked steward that is too ashamed to “dig” or seek out provisions from Christs servants, is the present scenario in the organization today. (Luke 16:3) In their arrogance, only what is approved by the governing body as spiritual food, is offered. (Rev 13:11,12,17) What is interesting about this, is they don’t hesitate to utilize an “uncircumcised” “Gentile” writing committee to do their writing for them, yet they do not call on their anointed brothers and sisters to add their spiritual offerings. (Rom 2:28,29; Heb 8:10) Is it because they have no faith in what they cannot see? They see the men they have personally appointed, without letting the spirit of God direct them to those whom He has personally appointed through the anointing. (Eph 4:7-11) 
    “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a consecrated nation, a special people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies the wonderful deeds and virtues and perfections of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” 1 Pet 2:9
    “Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.” 1 Pet 2:10
    Do you see who the authentic witnesses and holy people of God are? These people have been told that they cannot bond together to study the scriptures. (see wt 16/1 p. 24) Can you imagine Jesus Christ telling the members of his Body that they must not join together to study his teachings? (The entire chapter of 1 Cor 12)
    “So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.” Eph 4:11-13
    The Body of Christ is the Temple and dwelling of God. (2 Cor 6:16) Are all JWs part of that temple? No, only spiritual “Israel”, whom Jesus has sent to teach the people His truths, not the doctrines of men. (Mal 2:7;1 Pet 2:9;1 Tim 1:3;6:3-5) If you can recognize this lawlessness of the elder body replacing and trampling down the appointed priesthood of God, you are to flee!
    Dan 11:31; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:1-4; Rev 11:1-3 
    I’m sure you didn’t expect such a letter in response to yours. However, please consider the plight of God’s anointed people. They are “Israel”, and this spiritual nation has not only fallen into sin by accepting the leadership of a wicked slave, but have dedicated their lives to an organization as their way of salvation. (Jer 30:12-14; Exod 20:4;Acts 7:48;17:24,25,29-30; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4) 
    You also, have been captivated by such lawlessness, prophesied to happen in the last days. (2 Thess 2:9-12; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 18:4-8) 
    These anointed inside the organization, have been cut off from their Head, Jesus Christ. (Dan 8:25) But on the outside, God’s Temple of truth, “Zion”, under the direction of Jesus Christ, is being restored. Now, is the time of the restoration of “Jacob”. (Neh 1:7,9,10; Jer 30:3; Isa 48:20,21;49:5; 31:7; Mal 3:1; Matt 22:1-5,14; Jer 31:14) 
    Sign of the End
     
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    Thank you, Srecko. ❤️   The flowers are beautiful. 🙂 
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    The Gentile Times have not ended.  God's spiritual Temple has been given over to the elders as well as all JWs. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 11:1,2)  Didn't you mention that this Temple was the anointed priesthood in another post?  Well, the elders "represent" the priesthood, but also all JWs according to GB member G. Loesh, are the spiritual temple. (new light I suppose) "Israel"/New Jerusalem has been trampled.  (Dan 8:10-14; Mal 3:1-7) (Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; Luke 21:24; 2 Thess 2:3,4)
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    This is stated as fact.
    It is false prophesy.  Deut 18:20-22; Matt 7:15
    Rotten fruit from a bad tree.  Matt 7:16-187
    Bad trees are cut down and thrown into the fire.  Matt 7:19
    And JWs say they follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, and are loyal to God, while also professing loyalty to the organization, which promotes false prophesy. 
    Where should one's loyalty lie?  Is it with the teachings of Jesus, and what he said in Matt 7, or is it to the men and an organization that promotes false prophesy?  If Jesus' teachings about false prophets are ignored, and men who speak lies are continually exonerated, how uncomfortable it will be to face judgment. Doesn't that thought cause any awareness in the mind of a JW?
     “A tree is identified by its fruit. If a tree is good, its fruit will be good. If a tree is bad, its fruit will be bad. 34 You brood of snakes! How could evil men like you speak what is good and right? For whatever is in your heart determines what you say. 35 A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart. 36 And I tell you this, you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speak. 37 The words you say will either acquit you or condemn you.”  Matt 12:33-37
    Did JWs take this Wt. prophesy  to the door, to their Bible students?  They are as guilty as their leaders for spreading false prophesy.  Prov 10:32
    Discerning False Christs and False Prophets
    As this man in his video states: 
    “because you associate or try to lock your name (WTBTS) with God”…“any wrong that you do, God is an accomplice to your wrong.  Think about that.”
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    You've just described the organization and its leadership...perfectly.
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    The Gentile Times have not ended.  God's spiritual Temple has been given over to the elders as well as all JWs. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 11:1,2)  Didn't you mention that this Temple was the anointed priesthood in another post?  Well, the elders "represent" the priesthood, but also all JWs according to GB member G. Loesh, are the spiritual temple. (new light I suppose) "Israel"/New Jerusalem has been trampled.  (Dan 8:10-14; Mal 3:1-7) (Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; Luke 21:24; 2 Thess 2:3,4)
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    You've just described the organization and its leadership...perfectly.
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    You've just described the organization and its leadership...perfectly.
     
     
     
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