How do we make sense of Romans 10:13 "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" and Acts 4:10,12. The answer might surprise you!

[Witness]

22 hours ago, Eoin Joyce said:

"by no means" doesn't sit well with this.

How so?  All prophesy about the chosen ones must be fulfilled concerning them through the great tribulation which coincides with Armageddon. Dan 12:7; Rev 13:7 Jer 31:11; 15:21; Isa 48:20; 51:11; Zech 9:16; Rev 1:20; 10:5; 5:10; Eph 2:6  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan+12%3A7%3B+Rev+13%3A7+Jer+31%3A11%3B+15%3A21%3B+Isa+48%3A20%3B+51%3A11%3B+Zech+9%3A16%3B+Rev+1%3A20%3B+10%3A5%3B+5%3A10%3B+Eph+2%3A6&version=HCSB

22 hours ago, Eoin Joyce said:

???not yet I think???

You’re right, it is “not yet”; I made a careless remark and apologize, yet the Watchtower continually tries to fulfill it, and it all hinges on 1914 doesn’t it?  Dan 12:7; 1 Cor 15:24; 2 Thess 2:1-3 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan+12%3A7%3B+1+Cor+15%3A24%3B+2+Thess+2%3A1-3&version=HCSB

22 hours ago, Eoin Joyce said:

Now this is definitely getting...dodgy??

Compare 2Cor. 8:2

2 Cor 8 “In the midst of a very severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity. ³ For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own, ⁴ they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service to the Lord’s people. ⁵ And they exceeded our expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the Lord, and then by the will of God also to us.   2 Cor 8:2-5

Are you referring to the Russian ban, and their loss of real-estate built on the sheep’s money, or the ‘remarkable’ work of the GB over the years?

“Extreme poverty”?

No anointed one knows “poverty” until they have lost family and friends, giving up the life they knew as a JW for Truth in Christ. John 15:20; Matt 16:25; Rev 13:15; 12:11 Yet, they also don’t perceive their “poverty” as a wicked slave rules over them.  Matt 24:48-51; Luke 12:45; Dan 7:7,19,23; 1 Cor 4:8’ Matt 24:15; Rev 3:17,18  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+15%3A20%3B+Matt+16%3A25%3B+Rev+13%3A15%3B+12%3A11%3BMatt+24%3A48-51%3B+Luke+12%3A45%3B+Dan+7%3A7%2C19%2C23%3B+1+Cor+4%3A8’+Matt+24%3A15%3B+Rev+3%3A17%2C18&version=HCSB

Luke 16:19-31  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+16%3A19-31&version=HCSB

“Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God. ² So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God’s command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves. 

 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval. ⁴ For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong. 

⁵ Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience.” 

⁶ And for this reason you pay taxes, since the authorities are God’s public servants, continually attending to these tasks. 

⁷ Pay your obligations to everyone: taxes to those you owe taxes, tolls to those you owe tolls, respect to those you owe respect, and honor to those you owe honor." Rom 13:1-7

You might be interested in the article I will post below. 

JWs must question why they have suffered so in Russia.  God’s laws, which do not change, have been transgressed – against his anointed people, against his Temple. Matt 24:15;  And against our salvation found in Christ by teaching it is only through an organization. 1 Cor 6:19,20; 3:16,17; Acts 4:12

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A15%3B+1+Cor+6%3A19%2C20%3B+3%3A16%2C17%3B+Acts+4%3A12&version=HCSB

 ^“They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served something created instead of the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen. Rom 1:25

The truth of God is Jesus Christ!  John 14:6; 4:24

 “Rich generosity?”

In what way, spiritually?  Offering guidance in error?  Rich generosity that is absent toward their anointed brothers in Christ?  Simply, Eoin, do you believe it is a loving act to disfellowship another anointed one who sees the GB’s error, brings it up, but are then shunned; and to carry this hypocritical act further onto all who question wrong teachings?

Rom 12:3 – ^“For by the grace given to me, I tell everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he should think.” 

Is the GB exempt from this?

“Instead, think sensibly, as God has distributed a measure of faith to each one.”

The entire anointed body is included in these scriptures:

^“According to the grace given to us, we have different gifts:

If prophecy,
use it according to the standard of one’s faith;
⁷ if service, in service;
if teaching, in teaching;
⁸ if exhorting, in exhortation;
giving, with generosity;
leading, with diligence;
showing mercy, with cheerfulness.”  Rom 12:6-8

Not one of these gifts are recognized by the GB possessed by other anointed ones.  A “steward” is to glean from all and serves from all; the GB listen and serve from their own selfish platter of spoiled fruit.  Rom 12:9,13; Luke 16:11-13; Matt 7:17,18

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+12%3A9%2C13%3B+Luke+16%3A11-13%3B+Matt+7%3A17%2C18&version=HCSB

The GB has deceived the sheep in unlimited ways, and Micah brings out just one:

On 5/2/2017 at 3:24 AM, Micah Ong said:

Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 

This would be a contradiction to the statement in the book of Acts.

“Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God concerning them is for their salvation! ² I can testify about them that they have zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. ³ Because they disregarded the righteousness from God and attempted to establish their own righteousness, they have not submitted themselves to God’s righteousness. 

Our salvation in Christ is the righteousness from God.

^4 “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. ⁵ For Moses writes about the righteousness that is from the law: The one who does these things will live by them. ⁶ But the righteousness that comes from faith speaks like this: Do not say in your heart, “Who will go up to heaven?” that is, to bring Christ down ⁷ or, “Who will go down into the abyss?” that is, to bring Christ up from the dead. ⁸ On the contrary, what does it say? The message is near you, in your mouth and in your heart.”

From the kr book I quoted above, does it appear that the message is in the mouth and heart of JWs – about Christ?  Or is it about the wonders and glory of “Jehovah’s organization”?

"This is the message of faith that we proclaim: ⁹ If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 

¹⁰ One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth, resulting in salvation." 

That “Jesus is Lord” is not the primary ‘confession’ of JWs.  It is based solely on the organization. In fact, GB Lett in his broadcast about the results of the Russian ban said how much the GB appreciates their support of the organization. 

^{11 "}Now the Scripture says, Everyone who believes on Him will not be put to shame, ¹² for there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, since the same Lord of all is rich to all who call on Him. ¹³ For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

By reading the scriptures prior to verse 13, and we compare it with verse 9, it is clear that the name represented by “Lord” in 13 should be understood as Jesus Christ. 

Yet, the ‘generous’ GB deceitfully has given Jesus little authority and little honor that is demanded by the Father.  They have changed the scriptures, and more than once.

2 Cor 8:5 – “And they exceeded our expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the Lord, and then by the will of God also to us.”

Has the GB really given themselves to Christ or to their own insatiable appetite for self-glory, deceit and the establishment of earthly riches?   Rev 18:5-8; Isa 22:17-19; Rev 17:15-18; 16:4-7; 18:3; 10:11; 16:13,14 (1 Cor 4:8; Rev 1:5,6;19:16) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+18%3A5-8%3B+Isa+22%3A17-19%3B+Rev+17%3A15-18%3B+16%3A4-7%3B+18%3A3%3B+10%3A11%3B+16%3A13%2C14%3B1+Cor+4%3A8%3B+Rev+1%3A5%2C6%3B19%3A16 &version=HCSB

 

https://www.newera.com.na/2017/04/28/church-loses-labour-case/

 

 

 

 

[Evacuated]

4 hours ago, Witness said:

Compare 2Cor. 8:2

You are quoting me here and I apologise unreservedly for mistyping the reference. Especially as you have addressed the matter so comprehensively. Forgive me for not engaging on what you have responded with as it was to my mistaken reference.

Let me recap:

On 5/3/2017 at 5:37 PM, Witness said:

Surely, their grappling over this concept should help us to discern which “seed” they may belong to.

Compare 1Cor 8:2. 

[Witness]

On 5/4/2017 at 3:21 PM, Eoin Joyce said:

Compare 1Cor 8:2. 

Thanks, Eoin, I scratched my head over its use, but as you know, I ran with it. You could have let the whole thing drop, but I do appreciate your upfront honesty. 

“If anyone thinks he knows anything, he does not yet know it as he ought to know it.  But if anyone loves God, he is known by Him.”

Hmmm,

 Wt 13/7/15 -   “What about the Governing Body members who today make up the faithful and discreet slave? “

Matt 25:14-30 - Notice these scriptures address “slaves”, and it is not until the Master returns that they are commended as “good and faithful”. 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+25%3A14-30+&version=HCSB

^“For if anyone considers himself to be something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.”  Gal 6:3

It has always been my desire to see each one of the GB repent for misleading the flock and for allowing their brothers in Christ to be “trampled”; but end time prophesy announced by the “two witnesses”, commissioned by Christ declare this trampling of God’s anointed ones would take place.  Dan 9:27,11:31; Matt 13:14; Rev 3:18; 1 Cor 4:5

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan+9%3A27%2C11%3A31%3B+Matt+13%3A14%3B+Rev+3%3A18%3B+1+Cor+4%3A5&version=HCSB

By his faithful actions toward God, Noah ‘judged’ the world.  The announcements against the iniquities of God’s people are always commissioned by God through those he uses to announce condemnation.  This is the case of the “two witnesses” in Revelation, who are “killed” for their testimony for Truth in Christ.  Rev 11:1-10

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+11%3A1-10&version=HCSB

In Rev 11:1, the Temple being measured are the anointed ones, measured according to God’s righteous standards.  1 Cor 3:16; 1 Pet 2:5; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 6:9-11  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Cor+3%3A16%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%3B+Eph+2%3A20-22%3B+Rev+6%3A9-11++&version=HCSB

Rev 11:2 – “But exclude the courtyard outside the sanctuary. Don’t measure it, because it is given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.”

You will find Greek interlinears giving both terms “within, without” or simply one or the other, concerning which courtyard has been given over to the Gentiles, where the Gentile elder body stands. It shows the discrepancy in the interpretive meaning of what courtyard has been given to the Gentiles.   In the early temple arrangement, the inner courtyard was restricted from the Gentiles, only God’s appointed priests were allowed, which supports the translation of “within” the sanctuary. 

http://www.bible-history.com/jewishtemple/JEWISH_TEMPLEThe_Court_of_the_Gentiles.htm

“The entire Temple compound was considered holy, but it became increasingly more holy as one entered farther in, from east to west. King Herod had enclosed the outer court with colonnades and it was referred to as the Court of the Gentiles because the "gentiles" (non-Jews) were permitted to enter the Temple area. They could walk within in it but they were forbidden to go any further than the outer court. They were excluded from entering into any of the inner courts, and warning signs in Greek and Latin were placed that gave warning that the penalty for such trespass was death.”

 ^“Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?  If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.” 1 Cor 3:16,17

Knowing this helps us to see how serious it is that the elder body, spiritual “Gentiles” have overrun God’s anointed Temple, the Body of Christ, and their expected obedience to a fabricated priesthood and a fabrication of salvation.

A created thing can become an idol

An earthly investment can become one’s idol

If it is proclaimed as blessed by God, it is an idol. 

“Willingly and promptly do what Jehovah’s organization wants you to do, relying on Jehovah to help you.” w14 5/15 pp. 16-20

“Of what value is an idol carved by a craftsman? Or an image that teaches lies? For the one who makes it trusts in his own creation; he makes idols that cannot speak.”  Hab 2:18

It was by faith that Noah condemned the world, faith in God’s Word and prophesy fulfillment.  Through faith the prophets announced the sins of their people in ancient times, as well as John the Baptist and the apostles.  And of course, all of them were pretty much despised.  “Two Witnesses” are those anointed ones of Christ’s Body who have responded to the call of the Marriage Feast, the opening of Revelation’s scrolls.  Dan 12:9; Matt 24:27,28; 25:1,6; 22:4; 3:20  And many have joined them in voicing this truth. Matt 22:8-10;  Zech 8:23

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan+12%3A9%3B+Matt+24%3A27%2C28%3B+25%3A1%2C6%3B+22%3A4%3B+3%3A20%3B++Matt+22%3A8-10%3B+Zech+8%3A23&version=HCSB

IF the GB KNOWS the true meaning of Roman 10:13, why don’t they expose it as good stewards of God’s Word?  Holy Spirit would move them to do so if they are on the side of Truth in Christ, motivated by love for Christ.  1 Cor 4:1,2; 8:1-3; 1 Cor 2:13,14; Gen 3:15; Rev 12:7; 2:20  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Cor+4%3A1%2C2%3B+8%3A1-3%3B+1+Cor+2%3A13%2C14%3B+Gen+3%3A15%3B+Rev+12%3A7%3B+2%3A20&version=HCSB

Going back to Rom 10 -

“How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard?”

When this was written, the Jews knew about God, so this doesn’t refer to “Jehovah” as the Wt. states.

“And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?  And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”

“But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” ¹⁷ Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

We know how the Wt. interprets this.  But, who is really bringing the “good news” about the Christ?  It is the “two witnesses”.  Mal 3:1; Matt 25:31-33  Their message concerns the  “restoration” of Jacob, God’s Temple, and it is preached to the “inhabited earth” – God’s dwelling, spiritual “Israel”.  Zech 4:1-14; Matt 17:3,11; Luke 1:16,17; Mal 4:6; Matt 10:23; Isa 49:5-9,12,13

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mal+3%3A1%3B+Matt+25%3A31-33%3B+Zech+4%3A1-14%3B+Matt+17%3A3%2C11%3B+Luke+1%3A16%2C17%3B+Mal+4%3A6%3B+Matt+10%3A23%3B+Isa+49%3A5-9%2C12%2C13+&version=HCSB

Angels/messengers are “ministering spirits”, John 1:51 (Heb 1:14) both in heaven and on earth; God’s ‘two witness’ messengers are anointed ones who prove true to the New Covenant in Christ.  Eph 2:6,7; Rev.22:6-9; 1:20; Heb 2:2; 2 Cor 10:6; Heb 2:5,16; 1:7; Ps 104:4; 39:3

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A51%3B+Heb+1%3A14%3B++Eph+2%3A6%2C7%3B+Rev.22%3A6-9%3B+1%3A20%3B+Heb+2%3A2%3B+2+Cor+10%3A6%3B+Heb+2%3A5%2C16%3B+1%3A7%3B+Ps+104%3A4%3B+39%3A3+&version=HCSB

Holy Spirit is not an inactive questionable power, but very much alive in those who choose Christ and not an idol. John 16:13; Hab 2:3

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+16%3A13%3B+Hab+2%3A3&version=HCSB