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It is a mix of both granted of what was seen in the other thread. None of us, but depending on what the person has done, decisions can be made to take action, as is with Jesus' church in the past. But you must take into account what Jesus himself has commanded and entrusted his church, especially concerning wrongdoers, either in the ignorant sense and or those who do sin willfully. If someone wants to enter back into the church of the Christ, the community must be informed and those who are in religious office should make the decision of whether this person can enter back into the fold when it was known he or she had been excommunicated. Actually it is, when actions can and or has effected the community as a whole. But you do this freely and when this was brought up there is an excuse, at this you should be honest to yourself in this regard. How so? Not necessarily. If a person is trusted, why must one judge them? That is within the reaming of loyalty, responsibility and trust. Exactly, but the thing is in older discussions you yourself have judged. Can you give an example? For he must have said this because you can say this, but the discussion between the two of you may be entirely different. Not really because there are those who misguide others, who will not enter God's Kingdom, especially when not putting into application what it means to be Christ like and to apply the fruits of which is vital for Christians to apply. That being said, op's directive is regarding those who exploit forgiveness and repentance, as in, a man can sin willfully, repent in the face of the faith community, only to enter back into the fold to sin again, as is that is what can be drawn from his response to billy in the other thread.

Continue to hide behind JWs to save your own hide from what is being asked of you because your stupidity and cowardice within a debate is ever so evident. Like I said before and I will say it again, in a discussion if it is SOLELY Bible based, that is where you fail, ultimately. That being said, this debate is still ongoing. I await your claim on baptism and your claim on me saying simplified editions, otherwise, you slander and you show yourself of who your father is as is with the stupid ones, as I refer to to everyone who enters a debate who protest slander. It is said, that When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. Perhaps next time when you engage and or start the debate, educate yourself first, otherwise, you will end up looking more foolish than a fool in the king's court. And I had said before when it comes to debate I am very serious about it, more so that I been watching debates for years, as is partake in them. I agree with the teenager, you do what you do best in these domains concerning ignorance, stupidity, slander, attempting to appeal to motive(s) [which do do many times] and then some. That being said, before you forget, remember, Bible only, you do not need a JW to hold your hand nor hide behind one in utter cowardice to debate.

On the contrary, I do know what I am talking about, for I had been vocal about Russia even before this ban and the State Duma adding new laws to hinder the people, as is with the Nanlvy Heroes targeted on the FSB face track site. One does not have to be of the faith community to know where they stand, as is with all faiths. My only problem is slander, glasglow boy. And yet you pull their source in order to mold it into some made man concept that goes around of what they are conveying. According to the former JW who knows enough in this domain, his word speaks more volume than your word, with evidence to this which can easily be quoted. That being said, stay in your lane, Srecko.

@TrueTomHarley It was also a political move in part of Russia granted JWs are 100% neutral and do not choose a side, let alone attend events that glorify war in Russia. This may seem to be the case because I remember the 777 crew mentioned a teenager who directed that the girl was somewhat of an enemy because she is neutral, there were other cases to, you really have to dig in all things Russia. Aside from JWs, Russia does not like anti-Kremlin heroes, which seems to be the cases with several people, as is with some, being accused for some things they did not commit, and Russia takes the extreme on some folks, be it Macbeth, Pokemon, or cracking jokes, if all things is directed to the duma, the Kremlin and or the church, best believe there is going to be guys showing up on your rooftop or sawing off your door. A whole lot of us knew something was going to go down so we spoke about it late 2015 into 2016, and evidently the pieces were in play for Putin's election and all things connected to it.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. Not the case, granted with how Russia operates with its allies and the events that unfolded before, prior to and after the ban of the faith group and anyone who opposes the Kremlin.

Yes. Christians can easily be exploited. For if a man sins against himself and or someone, he can fake repentance, play his card as an actor, to be reinstated and back into the fold only to commit the same acts again. Others will continue on sinning, and think that God will simply for give them, i.e. a man who commits sexual immorality with multiple women, and after each ill action, he prays, repents, only to willfully do the same thing over and over again. It is one thing if someone is addicted, but someone who generally loves his or her sins and does so, will are the false ones. They pretend to be Christian by means of immoral parties on a Saturday night and suddenly on Sunday they are a Saint. Reasons why people do not take the Bible or God's word seriously. Then you have those who incite infighting within Christendom, and those who take the flaws of someone and or a group and attack them for it when said flaws are not even in the realm of heresy. Aside from that, the fake repenter is usually brought back into the fold because Christians practice forgiveness, which is understandable, but they fall to being gullible as if all things will be happy and dandy afterwards, and such sin can stem from sexual immorality, violence, willful drug use without an addiction, and even child abuse be it violent, mental, sexual, etc. as well as Gang Stalkers, and those who wish to spread doubt and false doctrines within the community. I have more to say, but I do such at a later time. @James Thomas Rook Jr. But that would negate what must be applied if you are down this route. Repentance does not require ammunition. We should be taking in a lesson of what the Bible says about forgiveness and repentance. We should also be aware of those who exploit this in the Bible in order to commits more acts of sin, even to others. @Equivocation Because young so called Christians in high/middle/elementary school, even in my day, do not know what a Christian is and how to be one. They would say it and say Jesus saves and that's that, and they do not know Yahweh. Also some would consider your forgiveness as fake because you are a JW, as is with love as some had said, which they'll say is fake, and such ones will be quick to judge and assume when they do not know you as a person. @JOHN BUTLER And yet that would take away from pass sayings and discussions; a contradiction at best concerning some. Forgiveness is as simple to understand as is with Repentance. There are those in today's world who has no idea who God is and even some, their apology are genuine, for not all people are bad persons, just in a wrong place and or misguided, hence, i.e. homeless persons, troubled teens and or children, a mental torn person, on the other side of the spectrum you have those who are so deep down in sin, they think no one can forgive them, even God and such ones often cause injury to themselves and or others, i.e. lashing out, suicide, which seems to be recent as is the experienced I had spoken of some time ago. For such ones are far different than those who fake repentance and or forgiveness, as is with those who do so to pretend to repent and seek forgiveness only to commit more sin, such as violence, immorality, etc.

Yes I did. I was young when I had been baptized, so were those with me at the time. All of us, me included, we chose to get baptized because we had been studying God's Word. In fact, I was very eager to for baptism because I understood, I heard, and studied, and built faith on what the Bible teachings, more so, what God professes and what he has brought forth through his son Jesus. Because Srecko has no idea what he is talking about, and the more he speaks, the more ignorance and stupidity is on full display and he was the one who started the discussion and attempted to save his own hide but ultimately fails and it shows utter weakness on his part. That being said, I even told him before, Bible only, ignore all the JW stuff and it's community, you included, and that is where we see his folly. I still wait for his claims, his simplified article claims, etc. His animal preaching claims have already been found out to be false. And apparently he is angry because he was quick to give you a vote down for stating the truth, granted before you did say the both of you had some history. Just for the sake of it I will just agree with you because his so called spiritual knowledge is jarring.

Not really, according to the sources in relation; that is, for a former Jehovah's Witnesses, to which holds enough fact over claim - this was directed to you and Witness at the time. A made up concept in order to push forth claim, more so, to use a specific concept to interject slander and or twist information of what the person and or group is conveying. The thing is, one wouldn't be working for someone who has been subjected to harm for a span of years.

What I accept is what the passage says. What do not accept is your claim of the donkey preaching the gospel of the Christ, as well as praising Jesus when he has not even come to earth by means of Mary yet. Fish Flailing will not rescue you from the stupidity engineered by your own hands. Speaking about stupidity, you are interjecting things into the focus of discussion in hopes of avoiding what you said. That is also another stupid mistake. God's Will? lol? What was in God's Will regarding the donkey. I need not to because I spoken such in both page 2 and 3. Anything to discern stupidity, ignorance and a man who slanders on an equal fitting as Satan himself. That being said, I guess because the Bible is too many in words and passages, you don't take the time to read it. Therefore, all your claims are unfounded ans utter lies in the face of what is actually true. Also I am waiting on this comment of yours regarding simplified editions comment. If you are going to say I said something, get a direct quote of me saying it. I am not debating left wingers and right wingers so I have the time and patience. But by all means, continue to make a fool of yourself regarding a direct biblical discussion, for it immortalizes who you are to everyone eye.

Is God Superior to Jesus? Yes

And your point? lol, jumping to Matthew and Mark now? The context of this verse, well, the passage itself is regarding Jesus' prophecy whereas the Romans had rendered the city of Jerusalem and her temple to ruin, sections of the wall stand, but evidently battered, but the city itself has been laid to waste. As we can see from the passage, it is referring to a literal city - Jerusalem. lol I like the fact now you are dodging your own claims about stones. So tell me Srecko, why jump to Jerusalem now when you attempt to bring forth an exegesis on sentient stones of which you claim is mentioned in Luke 19? As I suggested? Where have I suggested simplified edition articles? My only sources were: A Bible (NASB/ESV) and a Dictionary The problem here is that you claimed the Donkey was not just preaching the gospel of the Christ, but you said the donkey, an animal, as is, all animals praise the Lord, Jesus. We know here that you lied, and speak deception when Numbers 22 tells us the truth. To be blunt, Ba'laam was going to harm to God's people, and on his way, God caused the Donkey to speak, in order to halt Ba'laam in his tracks, or the end result was Ba'laam being slain by an Angel of Yahweh, despite this, Ba'laam was hardheaded in regards to reason, which fits the bill with you in this sense. But carry on to continue making a fool of yourself because it shows how the lack of Bible reading, Srecko. That being said, next time you make a claim of something, back it up with Scripture for there is always a how, when and why to something. It is understandable to make mistake, no one is immune to this, but to willfully thread with deception reveals who's table you sit on. I am still waiting on your claim regarding baptism. The fact you haven't brought this up, as is with stones and animals preaching the gospel, makes you a lair in every sense; your appeal to motive tactic doesn't work with me either because I been down that road for a long time. I do not know if you did this on purpose, but starting a 1-to-1 debate with a legitimate debater and having your tail between your legs was probably your most biggest mistake.

A lot of people seem to forget what was going on before all events unfolded in Russia, such things even mention by Free Radio as well as the 777 crew, more so, it is evident in the historical event with Pope Francis and the election win of Vladimir Putin. What people also do not realize is to team of powers of whom Russia is factioned with compared to the US, both factions having a specific team member that hates the guts of the other.

No, if it was obvious, then you would not engineered such stupidity in the first place. No, Moses did not have a problem, and you will not get the case to through him under the bus a 4th time. Moses was someone who was clearly a man of God and had written what things as is in the Torah. We see from Moses' writing that God caused the donkey to speak to Ba'laam, in this instance, the donkey was not preaching a gospel at all, for God caused it to speak in order to give warning to Ba'laam, hence the angel in the middle of the road, for it God had not caused the donkey to speak, if God had not uncovered Ba'laam's eyes, he'd be nothing more than a corpse on the road whereas the donkey itself would had wandered off. Nowhere had Moses written either the donkey or snake was inspired. Perhaps take a lesson of a Law Moses wrote by not adding to the text Deuteronomy 4:2 - You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord [YHWH] your God that I command you. That being said, you yourself said to be focused, yet here we see you jump from baptism to gospel speaking and back to inspiration, yet again evading to answer your own claims. lol No, inspiration was not in question because no such thing is drawn from these passages when if you read Numbers 22 and Genesis 3, you'd realize on things transpired into Ba'laam and Balak, as is with, Adam and Eve's disobedience. Not really, look at page 2, you stated Animals as well as Stones can preach according to the Bible, more so, you added that they can praise the Lord. Granted before you lost focus, I shall add, even a child can pick up what is said in the discussion and call you out if need be. If you met such, than you should not have stated what you had said in page 2, quoted to you several times, but you ignore it because you are fish flailing, attempting to climb out of the hole of slander of which you dug. You do not know the difference between literal, symbolic or figurative, both you and Witness share this same ignorance. The only thing figurative concerning what is mentioned in this discussion is the stones crying out, of what Jesus was talking of, for that was not literal. The Bible speaks of blood as well as death being personified, even a city, but these things are not persons, all such are spoken of figuratively and or symbolically. A jagged example would be, Literal - An apple is literally sitting on the table, if no one is going to take it, perhaps I will. Symbolic - An apple is a representation of good sugars, hence beneficial for good health. Figurative - An apple is literally sitting on the table, it is calling me name, and it screams with good sugars and nutrients. Likewise regarding Jesus Stones were all over the place, on the roads, in the cities, etc. in those days. Stones are often tied in with things cities and or some actions taken by ancient Israel and or others, etc. Jesus used random stones to speak in lesson of what we read in the focused passage. That being said, if you do not understand what the Bible says let alone context and the hermenutics of it all, it shows, going back to the baptism, you are not a hearer of the word, and you rely on your own understanding of men. You also prove time and time again, if you are not talking about JWs, and the Bible only, you are weak in this domain (there is an actual debate of a similar instance regarding 1 Timothy 2:5). Well unfortunately for you, we are focused on the donkey, which you brought up, and now the snake, which you, brought up. You said before to stay focus and not drive off into something else, yet here now we see you are the one doing this, which I have not; merely responding to a response. So what was the point in mentioning Ba'laam's donkey and Satan manipulating a snake, both events that do not line up with what you are conveying? Yes, and Luke was smart enough to know that stones cannot literally preach the gospel of the Christ. In fact, no one, even Jesus, literally assumed and or thought stones to speak the gospel. One cannot imagine a stone walking, in rolling into a synagogue to proclaim the gospel, that is absurd. So the only person who failed here, was you, who said that stones can preach to quote "according to the Bible". Therefore, your claim for the donkey, for the snake, and for the stones, is unfounded. When you were questioned regarding your evidence on baptism, it is unfounded. Both instances, your so called spiritual wisdom is like that of a worm beneath notice. That being said, I suggest you read, study and understand your Bible more because this is one discussion you've exposed yourself in at how pathetically weak in faith of God's Word you really are, let alone not being able to hold your own concerning the Bible. Also, your understanding is that of men, and it is painfully obvious. Which goes back to what I said originally concerning children, likewise, anyone can take example from Acts 8 on someone being preached about Jesus and embracing the teachings, or the jailer from Acts 16, who embraced the teachings of Jesus and eventually his family did and his whole household got baptized. Now, I will link to you 3 chapters from 3 different books in the Bible, read them carefully this time. Regarding the Snake (Satan uses a snake) - no gospel concerning the Christ was spoken here by the snake. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+3&version=ESV The Stones - no gospel concerning the Christ was spoken here by the stones. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+19&version=ESV Ba'laam's donkey - no gospel concerning the Christ was spoken here by the donkey. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=numbers+22&version=ESV We can debate on prophecy, but that is ammunition for another thread.

Why yes, indeed. It was asked of you because you said the following, that Animals (plural) and stones (plural) can preach when you made a response to those speaking the gospel truth of the Christ. Not really, it is common sense according to Bible context. There is no animal and or inanimate object that can speak and profess the gospel of the Christ, such is only done by able body persons of mankind who hears and understands, hence profess. You brought up Amadeus, perhaps take into account your own example. Yes you did, only after it was said that animals cannot preach the good news gospel. The response was directed to @James Thomas Rook Jr., then you chimed in. Your response to that: You even went on further to say that animals can also praise the Lord; i.e. give praise: The fact the refutation was strong against you, now we see, as we say in a biblical debate, Fish Flailing. Right now as we all can see you are only attempting to cover your horrendous circus of a mistake. The fact of the matter is the fact you said according to the Bible, makes you a slanderer, not even up-to-date on the most elementary things of the Bible. We see already in the passage regarding Ba'laam's situation, as is with a fugitive talk of which Jesus professed, in both situations, we do not see animals or inanimated objects preaching and teaching. Also a bit faulty on your part, concerning the focus was about children. You did not, you kept putting emphasis on animals and stones preaching the gospel truth, granted preaching the gospel was made known before you came up absurdities which engineered your own failure and tomfoolery. According to you, animals somehow can knowing praise the Lord himself, Jesus. No you did not, granted what we see in page 2. Because it was mentioned to Rook first about preaching the gospel truth, the good news gospel, etc, up until you made your response that yield no evidence, but rather, a depravability of a mental state concerning elementary things of the Bible. A child can better explain what teaching and preaching concerning the good news gospel and of Christ is all about - you, however... Cannot. Clearly nothing, as is with your claim, and you now ignoring the claim that you made regarding baptism. Actually it was, it is all over page 2, I was not talking to you, I was talking to Rook, then you interjected with your claim of animals preaching the gospel, as with stones, hence I asked you with 1 John 4:1 in application, which thus exposed you for revealing who you are truly for, John 8:44. In this sense, you shot yourself in the foot out of omniscience confusion. Ok, let us see if there is an animal preaching about the Christ or the gospel of what he taught. Oh boy.... No. Satan, God's Adversary used the snake to communicate with Eve, the snake does not speak, but rather, the fallen one is doing such. And he was not preaching a gospel, he was persuading Eve to disobey God Yahweh by means of a lie, hence why it is called, the first lie, or original ancestral sin by some. The irony of this, that one can say according to the Bible, in this regard because it is true. That being said, the term that best fits here is persuasion, seduce/seduction in order to push the deception, which led to the disobedience of our first human parents, reasons why evidence to such can be found at 2 Corinthians 11:3 - But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 1 Timothy 2:14 (you and witness had an issue with this one) - and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. James 1:14, 15 - But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death. [This also includes marginal references pertaining to such] That being said, as we can see here, perhaps you do not even know what the word preach or doctrine means, for, Satan was not pushing anything religious to Eve at the Garden of Eden. The only thing that is funny is the probable fact you do not even know what the word gospel even means. In short, it means, the teaching or revelation of Christ; the teaching of what Jesus taught. Here is a Dictionary Link for you: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gospel I do not think you can laugh this one off, unless you are the type of person to laugh at your own ignorance. At this point the Fish Flailing is even stronger, in which you cannot hold up to what you yourself stated in page 2. So much for being focused. And what is that exactly? That according to you, a pebble stone that sits on the highest mountain is screaming and shouting that Jesus is the Lord and the Christ, loud enough for passerby to hear something? lol, absolutely no. What is there to like if you show ignorance and exposed yourself to be a lair? Well, you walked into this one with your silliness, the response of preaching was directed to Rook, and he alone, until you popped in with your silliness, and during that time, I was waiting for you to put evidence to your claim about baptism - which is.... unfounded because you never uttered a word since in this regard. I am simply waiting on your claim when regarding baptism and animals and stones preaching the gospel, to which you said, this is according to the Bible. So, let's have it, Srecko. I rather you answer you own claims because this comment here only shows me you caught yourself in a lie. So therefore, I am simply waiting on your evidence to claim, for I had yet to even start. As so, I recall on page 2 you spoke of, yes, about that this is your time to shine because you initiated said discussion, which I have time for because I am not in heavy discussion with any left/ring wing who thinks they know who God is. That being said, one will see who sits at which table concerning what the Bible professes, what God's Word profess, as is with those who understand it not by means of using understanding of men.

Lol, and now you have proven this point time and time again, if you cannot speak of JWs and focus solely on the Bible, you make yourself appear foolish, ignorant, and silly, as well as dense. As we can see I even told you, to show me a verse and or passage of said donkey preaching the good news gospel and or the Messianic Age, and clearly the claim you made was a lie and is unfounded. But you've given me quite the laugh, and it shows you have no idea of the whole ordeal with Ba'laam as well as Balak. But just for the sake of the discussion that you've created by means of your claim, let's simply this even more. A second time, can you show me a verse and or passage of a donkey (or any animal of your choice) preaching the good news gospel (The four gospel accounts of which Jesus preached) as well as the Messianic Age (The coming of the Christ). You stated you are up there in spiritual wisdom and you stated the JWs are speaking in deception. But let's focus on the Bible alone and see who is truly in deception. No need to try and shift the discussion to hide the fact you cannot back up your own claim. You said it yourself, to be focused, let's have at it, Srecko, where in the Bible we see the Donkey preaching about Jesus and the teachings of Christ, let alone teaching people about God? You also stated the stones preached also, show me where in the Bible this is the case? So far you are only showing something of what Jesus mentioned in figurative sense, granted our last discussion, both you and Witness did not know what is symbolic, what is literal or figurative, hence the mental gymnastics you both displayed whereas the other claimed God sent Satan to the Egyptians. Clearly you didn't understand that Jesus was speaking figuratively, in fact, the biblical context pushes this strongly, even the outline for the passage reads the following: Jesus Comes to Jerusalem as King The exegesis of willful stupidity will shows you do not know or understand the Bible, let alone Jesus' words, yet you had the audacity to speak that people spread deception - take a good look at what you displayed here, for you cannot hold even your own regarding the Bible, and that is utter weakness, on your part. That being said, your claim is as silly as and or equal to those who people Jesus grew into a giant with a walking and talking cross singing him praise as they come out of the tomb - equally as absurd as a clown wearing a business suit in a busy city. In short, you walked yourself into that one, and exposed yourself, thus, as the saying goes, you gambled, and lost. Your willful ignorance shows that you do not even know Jesus' promise, if you think Jesus was crazy enough to assume and profess that inanimate objects can speak, teach and sing, etc. That being said, speaking of the children, at least a child has more sense to understand that what you have attempt to response with by avoiding your own claims, is utter stupidity. A young one would tell you, straight, that rocks cannot speak. They will also tell you the events with Ba'laam, God caused the donkey to speak and it did not move because an Angel of Yah was standing there, visible to the donkey, and it was not preaching, let alone knew who Jesus is.

@BillyTheKid46 Yes, and there are some dark waters on the internet to and evil persons under said waters. It has and always comes down to using a tool for good vs. using a tool for bad. I gave an example of this with a hammer, whereas a good man can use the hammer to build a home whereas a bad man can use that same tool to harm and or cause chaos. Speaking of all things internet, we must watch and protect our children because there are those who seek them out, trick them in order to shame, commit harm, etc, and with the topic at hand, even influence fornication online. An example of this was the whole Pedophilia situation with YouTube, but it does not stop the spread of such ones when merely disabling comments and removing accounts that can be created again perhaps under a VPN, which reminds me to add something to note on another thread, for I had been looking into some things regarding social media.

lol did not realize you made more responses until I got to page 3. As can be seen that you cannot contain yourself you had to say things separately within a span of a single hour, I see. My original comment I said the following: Anyone who understood that can see I am referring to reaching the age when they can make the choice to leave and or remain. That age being the age of 18. Are you daft, Srecko? Yes, I do not care what they follow. They have the free will to make that choice, just as Amadeus had made the choice himself to do what he did. It is only problematic if people starts to speak of slander and silliness that makes no sense. So here is a question for you: Do you make changes to, restrict, limit, and alter things concerning the life of someone to choose to do something or not? Perhaps you have authoritarian control over people such as JWinsider, Anna, John Butler, Sami, Billy, Rook, Witness, Tom, etc, perhaps me included? Do you care to the point that you have this power to use for ill will to turn someone into a literal emptymen? I am giving you a chance to speak your mind in this regard, perhaps this time you do not evade. Dare I ask, can you convince Rook or JWInsider that these are not the drones they are looking for with ease? Yes it does, absolutely. I am not puppeteering the lives and choices, making the decision for them. The only thing I can do is to educate and instruct, but it is the choice of the individual to make, likewise to anyone in this situation. That being said, I do not care, the only thing I do care about is the truth, and when someone speaks slander of something, someone has to stand up to what is true, even in the face of those who are kicking a man while he is down. Truly, truly I say to thee, you are an absolute journeyman. I say this without a pinch of salt and the fact you are misguided, unlike most I have pity, despite the tomfoolery that is often displayed by you.

Granted by what had stated originally according to those within the household, those who are hearers of the word, and understanding of such, those who they themselves, who seek baptism. There are people out there who are examples of such, I myself is an example as is with others. Jesus himself, like all Jews learnt about God for it was according to the custom of the Jews, to teach and spread knowledge of God to their people, including the young. Shema Yisrael was indeed a BIG deal, reasons why Jesus as a man held this to high importance as he has in his childhood, the same with the Jews who were under this Law of which they were born into. As for John the Baptist, he baptized his people, all of them, not only for those who sought repentance, but according to the baptism's origin regarding Israel itself, in which ritual washing was committed to all persons. According to the Bible, the message of God is for those who are hearers of the word, understanding of it, taking in wisdom of it. lol, stay focused and centered on the Bible, Srecko. You said earlier that the Donkey was preaching, I ask you a second time can you give a verse and or passage regarding the donkey preaching the good news gospel or the Messianic Age. I give you yet another chance to show me - Srecko, after all, you said that donkey was preaching, and now you are speaking of holy spirit, show me this too. How so? And yet you consume them, don't you? But you just said not too long ago that the Donkey was preaching, you also said stones preached too. My response your response to what I said (highlighted the one you focused on) So to convince people that you, as you claim, a spiritual person, perhaps try not committing slander even when using the Bible. I recall I told you before that - take out JWs from the equitation, and you cannot hold yourself when the discussion is solely and only about the Bible. And here we see, a another time as how much you stumble when Bible focused. It is one thing for someone to make a mistake, but to do something as evident and willfully, mainly concerning such, proves utter absurdity on your part. The worse thing anyone hates is twisting and or speaking wrongfully concerning the message of God, ESPECIALLY, the Aramaic-Hebrew Old Testament. Expect what? That you have violated God's own word when he said not to add to the text? Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of Jehovah your God which I command you. And your point regarding this? You yourself did not know Jesus built the church on the rock of which all his members are in union with said teachings despite where they are, where they dwell. You did not like the truth about the structure of the church, nor did you like God's Order of things, even when Apostle Paul spoke this in his greetings to the people, one church being the one in Corinth. Lone or organized, there is one primarily goal of which Christians are commanded to do, and last I check you and so and so spoke ill about the Commission, let alone even knew what that entails, yet.... Somehow there is a claim of spiritual wisdom and or knowledge coming from both of you, make that 3. And your point? Also did you miss what it says in the Old Testament concerning God about mankind's inheritance of earth, even cultivating it? Ok, and yet what is still on standby is your claim's evidence. Was it not you yourself who made yet another response regarding water? You even quoted yourself, so you should be asking yourself this question. Then again, you speak of staying on topic, yet somehow regarding Trinitarianism, you began talking about other things, going off topic just to have me respond, more so, you only began talking about baptism when I mentioned myself being baptized, when I talked to @James Thomas Rook Jr. about animals, you began talking about a Donkey preaching, yet when asked where in the Bible is a donkey preaching, all I can hear from you is a cricket orchestra whereas the musical selection is the symphony of tranquiled silence. Likewise. even when concerning the Word of God, a young person can learn and apply. Also you should speak a bit more concerning Amadeus' history, you are leaving a bit out. Well it depends, did he read, obverse, recite the word, did he himself sought after baptism as a declaration of God? Passing death unto life in this sense according to what the baptism implies? To read and to write, to make decisions, to understand something of what is being conveyed. I like how you cut out my whole response, but let me show you something and voila: Did you not read, Srecko? Because I made that point very clear. If a child is aware in this sense, let's say for example, a 6-7 year old girl in your household. If she is hungry, she herself is aware enough to understand food is kept in the pantry and or the fridge, including her favorite foods, in 2 instances, she can find her food, take it, aware enough to go sit somewhere to eat said food, the alternative would be, if her favorite food is not there, she knows food can be bought because her guardians, you in this instance, can make the choice to obtain said food for her or not, which prompts her to ask you, in which you can give a yes and or no answer, to which she, the child, who understood what you said (what yes means, what no means), and anything goes from there regardless of any of these scenarios. You have to prove that their conviction is a deception, especially the parents. Teaching a child about God isn't wrong, nor is it a sin. In fact, Mary and Joseph, granted they are under the law of God, taught their children about God and as centuries went by this continued even among Christians. It comes down to teachings the common things about God in the correct way vs. the wrong way. Granted this thread is about Trinitarianism, for instance, 2 families, one teaches their child about God and that God is the Father and only him whereas the other teaches their child that God is 3 persons, and each of them can be called God and so forth. From there, the research and study can be made, and as the young one grows older, he can either be learning and or had learnt the truth of God or the opposite, which results in what state of mind he or she is in. That being said, Jesus had entrusted the church, so it is no surprise here regarding instruction and counsel. You are silly. You are the only one here who thinks donkeys and a set of stones can preach the word of God. You are also silly, in a sense, trying to speak of children in a way that they cannot speak, understand and or make decisions and take action on things, what they want, what they do, etc. You yourself even brought up Amadeus, which throws your whole claim regarding children in a loop of absurdity. For me, I am,a s I told you before, merely making a response to a response and you were the one to have started by picking apart something that was not directed to you - look where we are now, your confusion. Yes. A Child is aware of many things, such as in order to impress ask a parent for permission or to do something, they can ask such in forms of a question. As is, they know how to formulate a question, granted many if not all children are curious, a child is ever-learning, they can write early too, even though they do not make the letters and or numbers straight. A child is indeed aware of such. They are aware of what they want to do even if they are not old enough, likewise, if they want to be a man or woman of God, they can make that choice, free will of choice and decision, to seek something, despite being under a guardian. You seem to think a child is somewhat of an NPC of some sort. No way. Well here is a misconception that is in err. Preaching animals. You speak erroneous things, yet you ignore it when called out on such. That being said, you do not even live up to your own claims, perhaps, a bit timid from the main focus at hand, hence the drivel now and how easily it can be refuted. Make this a note to yourself: Before you pick someone's response apart, make sure they did not put emphasis and or example in their response. The fact that I can quote what I actually said, even re-quote it with the timestamp shows who is the confused one here, silly one who proclaims a donkey and a stone can teach the teachings of the Christ.... You must know the difference between literal and figurative, something witness and you were not able to comprehend in 2 other discussions. Aside from that you are the last person to talk about children. For last time I spoke of helping them, you laughed and mocked.

This can open a door to both a blessing and a curse, granted with what was going down with YouTube and censorship. It kind of went on regarding AJ and others and more people are caught in the cross-hairs, as is with a situation just days ago which twitter and YouTube were in connection with something tragic in regards to mental illness. That being said, I do not use Twitter, nor do I use Facebook (for good reason), but at the end of the day, there are those who do good and bad on those platforms, as is with those who speak a truth and those who speak a slander there also. Regarding hate speech, people are now pointing the finger at the Bible, and some instances had already been done in parts of the US.

And it would also be interesting to see who has been making an escape ladder using US dollars to evade exposure to friends, family and colleagues. To quote an old acquaintance, they are feeling good until they get caught. I had a verse in mind as I was reading through the Hebrew text the other day regarding this, a shame I forgot a very good verse.

Lol, is that so? Can you show me a verse whereas Ba’laam’s donkey was preaching and teaching the gospel truth and the Messianic Age to the people of the nations? This I’d like to see, for perhaps this will be as alien and unfounded of what you stated about Chloe. Ba’lam, some of Be’or was a man who sought after ill reward, and I doubt you would be interested in the events regarding him because it negates what you have talked about before concerning younger people, as is his involvement with Balak. I put a very big importance in baptism because I understand and know the origins of Baptism itself and how it came to be with the Christians of old. How much water? No. According to the origins of the Baptism, or the ritual washing, one must be immersed in the water, not have a bucket and or a bowel of water dropped on their head. We can take into example the people of whom John the Baptist had baptized, all of them were brought underneath the water and back up as well as proclaimed the word of God to the people (Matthew 3:1, 2; Mark 1:4; Acts 19:4, etc.), Maybe Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch as seen in Acts 8, perhaps the example concerning Jesus, for John put him under, and brought him back up, and as soon as he came out of the water, God gave the spirit to Jesus and had spoken, for John the Baptist became witness to God speaking at this point of time, even acknowledged this event taking place (Matthew 3:13:17); this also correlates with an elementary question that is deem complex for anyone when it comes to why John the Baptist baptized his people in the Jordan River. There is no biblical reference nor is there any hermeneutics in regard to sparkling water unto a person who sought after baptism. In short, regarding baptism, one must be Immersed, one must be a hearer and understanding of the word, the teachings, and one only seeks baptism if he or she declares their faith and their dedication to the one True God, who is El Shaddai and on he is such and from here on out, like Jude and others, maintain faith and be strong in it. Not my reasoning, but okay for making yourself look silly. If you can show me some hermeneutics of John sprinkling water unto Jesus, perhaps you can convince me otherwise. That being said, one should question your reasoning when you make accusations against Jesus, his followers as well as prophets of God on occasion. On the contrary, how is it I had failed when you cannot even given evidence to your claim? It mirrors what you had stated about Chloe and Barak, which shows you are enshrouded by the dense nature of your mind and your form of thinking, Srecko. Please... Of course there is a different. An infant cannot make a decision to act upon something and or take action on practically things such as moving a chair to sit down, if hungry, taking what he or she seeks from the fridge and or pantry, the action and decision to understand that this so and so is his or her guardian and takes order from said guardian as well as ask said guardian for various things, let alone be trained on something and understand it, an infant cannot do this. So why baptize an infant, a baby who cannot preach something that is not understood? Dare I say, if you ask a baby who God is after speaking about God for 2 minutes, the response? Nothing but a smile and curiosity. A child, who is aware, can speak and able to understand can do what is mentioned above however, such as a 6-year-old, nowadays some as young as 4 or 5 can do these things, taken, they are raised right, i.e. reading, playing the piano and knowing all things regarding such. When it comes to reading the Word of God, a child can seek it should they choose, willingness to learn about God and so forth. The Bible makes it clear to pass on wisdom to the children concerning God (remember, something you yourself has laughed at). In Jesus’ day and before that, children were taught about who God is and learn about it, when Jesus was a boy, his people, including his human parents, Mary and Joseph, taught him about God. According to the Law of the Jews, the Jews, as soon as they can gain insight and understanding, capable of being vocal and so forth, adhere to learning about the God of Israel, for Jesus himself, even as a boy, he affirmed the Shema Yisrael Law, a Law given to Israel by God through Moses, and this command is followed, to observe, to teach, to recite, to read concerning the God of Israel. The Shema command is carried over into the New Covenant due to Jesus affirming this in the gospel of Mark and Matthew, and even Apostle Paul affirmed the Shema Command, which is followed to and taken seriously to this day. Granted you are using my experience, as a 6 year old, I wanted to learn about God, I made the decision myself because not only I believe in God, but I uphold my faith in regards to what his Son, Jesus had taught, and likewise, the foremost commandment of which the law hangs concerning wisdom, is what I and many others take seriously. It’s called Seventh Day Adventist. They are not Unitarians and or align themselves with Unitarianism of any kind, nor are they Restorationist, for they had since abandoned their Restorationist roots and uphold Trinitarianism and all things in connection to it. They themselves also brush over the Shema Yisrael Command, given to Moses by God; affirmed by Jesus and his followers. For the sake of agreement, yes they originated from Restorationism at the peek of Christianity in America during the Great Awakening, but it only took a small amount of time for them to abandon Restorationist roots, as is with others. Also regardless of this, SDAs are against the Reformation. Free will (something else you also had a problem with regarding both Jesus and Peter, etc.). When a person reaches the age, they can make the choice to leave or to remain, likewise, to remaining living with loved ones, friends and or relatives, and or leaving, parting ways. I stated this before to you, one of which in that deceased Glasgow thread of yours. Of course there is a different - do not be ignorant. An infant cannot make a decision to act upon something and or take action on practically things such as moving a chair to sit down, if hungry, taking what he or she seeks from the fridge and or pantry, the action and decision to understand that this so and so is his or her guardian and takes order from said guardian as well as ask said guardian for various things, an infant cannot do this. A child, who is aware, can speak and able to understand can do what is mentioned above however, such as a 6-year-old, nowadays some as young as 4 or 5 can do these things, taken, they are raised right. When it comes to reading the Word of God, a child can seek it should they choose, willingness to learn about God and so forth. The Bible makes it clear to pass on wisdom to the children concerning God (remember, something you yourself has laughed at). In Jesus’ day and before that, children were taught about who God is and learn about it, when Jesus was a boy, his people, including his human parents, Mary and Joseph, taught him about God. According to the Law of the Jews, the Jews, as soon as they can gain insight and understanding, capable of being vocal and so forth, adhere to learning about the God of Israel, for Jesus himself, even as a boy, he affirmed the Shema Yisrael Law, a Law given to Israel by God through Moses, and this command is followed, to observe, to teach, to recite, to read concerning the God of Israel. The Shema command is carried over into the New Covenant due to Jesus affirming this in the gospel of Mark and Matthew, and even Apostle Paul affirmed the Shema Command, which is followed to and taken seriously to this day. Join me? Since when? And I really do not care of what they follow, my only concern is slander and stupidity, and utter shenanigans that demands a refutation, nothing more. That being said, it is humorous to see you speak of Unitarianism, if the last time you assumed all of us are the same, as in accepting of interfaith ideologies that was never part of the church of the Christ, a mistake Butler paid when he used that same source. Alluding to such will reap nothing for you and it is evident by my own responses I am against the interfaith practices, and my absolute hatred for the Kairos Movement. It depends, on what form of Unitarianism are you talking about. Unitarian Interfaith allows such to some degree, but what you have stated have nothing in conjunction with speaking a truth and speaking slander. More so, as how we are, Biblical Unitarians, we take all things in total seriousness, especially concerning the history of things concerning the Bible and of God and his Son and many other things, a tap of ill information or a lie will irritate us and result in debate and or refutation if need be, a swift rebuke. I care very little if JW wants to be changes their faith, for their decision is not with me, but with the one who has mold them and what is true to themselves as a single soul, let alone and or a Unitarian of any kind who wants a JW, perhaps a Gnostic, Calvinist, believer, agnostic, atheist, Muslim, or perhaps a toaster, etc. Anyone can jump into a faith and or religion and or following, but it does not hide the fact of stupid persons who dwell upon slander only to make themselves look like fools. Among all other things, the truth from the Bible itself proves factual over petty feelings on those who want to water down who God is and Jesus, more so, they would rely on cherry picking to do it. That being said, a person who converts to any and or other faith, even a community, already makes the decision themselves of what they want to abide by because to them they know that it is the right path, be it positive and or negative. What church are you talking about? The only true church is the one that Jesus has built, we in him, in union with him, he in union with us, his God in union with him and us. Dare I ask, have you skipped Matthew 16 and Acts 2? I am awaiting your claim still, but you continue to evade what is making asked of you, like always, Srecko, more so, some of these things had already been answered concerning you. That being said, speaking of you folk and baptism, a friend of mine who is a proclaimer of the message, Soulja of God, not to me confused with Solider, was the son of a father who has left his family, and a mother who is pretty much a prostitute. Long story short, if he had not learned about God, and what God’s message would convey, I would be seeing his tombstone rather than he himself. When he was 8, he learned about God when he got his hands on a Bible that was in Spanish, his native/birth language. Although both our paths are different, we have one goal, and that goal is concerning God’s Kingdom, as well as speaking out against slander and hypocrisy, despite the fact he is more aggressive than I am concerning such, but clearly, concerning what the Bible teachings. The good thing about being a man of God, you can to meet people as well as meet those want to learn of who God is but either never got the chance and or understand. Like Phillip, we teach and explain and they put the application, should they seek said information, be it man, woman or child, it is their decision and choice by means of their free will, if they wish to accept. So let's have it, about that claim of yours concerning baptism...

That is why it is best to make your own juice out of natural fruits vs. buying the processed ones, artificial silliness, etc. Healthy choices benefits the soul, and it benefits a healthy lifestyle for the household. Also wise to keep the Fructose levels on a limit, if the goal is fat loss.

As soon as the skeletons come falling out of the closet, for all the dotted lines will eventually connect. Epstein was a sick, very sick person and an immoral pedophile. One way he can be tagged easily is by means of Epstein's collection of recordings, for Epstein not only had a tendency to record his victims, but also those who are on his island. He says he knows nothing, for to quote a source, it is said, Former President Bill Clinton denied knowing anything about the “terrible crimes” allegedly committed by billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein. In a statement released Monday, Clinton said he took 4 trips with Epstein in 2002 and 2003: 1 to Europe, one to Asia and 2 to Africa. That being said, we didn't forget about Clinton's siphoning, the death of Seth, Klaus and others, Ms. Beck sent into hiding, etc, and evidently it will come back to haunt him as the events with Epstein unfold.

No no no... The person in question who was attacked is Independent Journalist Lauren Southern (Canadian). Her being attacked in Germany, as well as hunted down happen some years ago. The guy next to her is Tim "never removes his hat" Pool, he too was attacked, both Ms. Southern and Mr. Pool are speaking of said event.

Jefferey Epstein has been arrested. This is considered a victory for us Truthers because we have been speaking about this man for years now, especially when we witnessed the Sweet Heart Deal.