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    Ray Devereaux reacted to TrueTomHarley in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    That old hen.
    hehehe :)))))
    You’re joking! She’d rather be dead forever?
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Anna in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    And here is another one! (Comma in an unusual place)
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Anna in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    Always gives him away 😂
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to JW Insider in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    It truly is a ridiculous notion, but unfortunately it also happens to be a true notion.
    I have never banned anyone, nor do I wish to, nor do I have the power to do that.
    No, of course not. But you are most definitely the same person who uses the account @César Chávez, @WyattEarp @Allen_Smith, @TheNonstoptheo etc., etc.
    I am not the the Librarian. I only have one account here.
    BTW, In addition to the way your log-ins and log-outs show up in the "Recently Browsing" portion of the page, you also give "yourselves" away in several other ways, too.
    For example, look how you spelled the word "too" as "to" just on this very same page:
    Also, note your unique style of adding a few extra, unnecessary commas, which has given many people pause in almost every one of the accounts I mentioned along with about 20 additional accounts over the past few years, too.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to JW Insider in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    I was tempted to say something that might clarify that @Real-JWinsider is actually just one more "troll" persona for @Allen_Smith, @Ray Devereaux, @BillyTheKid-55, @César Chávez, @Dotlizhihii Tlenaai, @divergenceKO, @Sean Migos, etc., etc., etc., & et cetera.
    Several of his additional accounts have been used as nothing more than shills to up-vote his own accounts (and down-vote anything that exposes him). This doesn't mean everything he has said under those other accounts is wrong. Some of it has been useful and even insightful in my opinion.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Matthew9969 in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    One of my older sisters died just a few weeks ago, (she was only 59), my jw mom kept on and on about how she will be in paradise. However my sis believed she did not want to be in paradise with nothing but jws' around. I was polite and didn't divulge this to my mom.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Real-JWinsider in IN RESPONSE TO A LETTER FROM A JW   
    Perhaps witness, you should properly grieve for the loss of your younger brother, instead of using his death to advance your criticism of a Christian congregation and a letter.
    If you, already know, how the majority of Christendom thinks about heaven, which is a false ideology according to scripture, there is no need to project in such a sensitive time.
    That goes for JW’s to. Don’t pile on. It’s beneath us all as imperfect humans to bolster our imperfection at this time.
    My condolences for your lose!
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Witness in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED   
    Surely you know how to find it?  Just type in Watchtower Bible and Tract Society in the ebay search bar.  I came up with 87 results.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED   
    Very poor excuses Billy. Quite funny when old JW books are for sale on ebay  and elsewhere.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Witness in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED   
    This form is circulating on facebook.  I can dig deeper if you like, to find the source.  What I am understanding, is that during the October 2017 Annual Meeting, it was stated that the yearbook and other publications, would cease.  The Yearbook is listed on this form.  
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Srecko Sostar in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED   
    P.S.
    There is a legal obligation, I do not know if it is an obligation for both WTJWorg in the USA and for WTJWorg printers around the world, that several copies, mandatory copies, of each edition that goes to print should be handed over to the state public library. Here in Croatia, 9 copies have to be handed to National University Library.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Srecko Sostar in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED   
    Each legal entity creates a different, various type of documentation during the business. Often times a legal body needs to adopt its own Regulations that regulate certain activities within the institution. Regulations must be harmonized with the laws on Archives. Such laws on archives are enacted by the state and its public bodies.
    So, the people who run WTJWorg should know how to destroy the documentation that is scheduled for destruction after certain retention periods have passed. But there is documentation that must not be destroyed, but must exist permanently, as long as there is a legal entity. After the legal entity ceases to exist, there are rules that say that certain documentation must be submitted to a state archive for storage and safekeeping. Or the documentation is handed over to a new legal successor.
    The doctrines and teachings and traditions that are part of WTJWorg publications are likely to be among the documents that have no lasting value before legislation. Therefore, the publisher can independently decide to destroy everything that should no longer have any (spiritual, theological, moral, religious, doctrinal ... etc) significance for the average (or all) members of the organization.
    Certainly, that such kind of decision by WTJWorg, to destroy “spiritual food” that has “ceased to be true,” is dubious for a simple reason. For, then, every JW can rightly ask Pilate's question, "What is The Truth?" .."Why should I believe in a New Truth?" .... etc.
    Also, should any JW be required to separate (for destruction) from its private library any such publication, which no longer meets the WTJWorg criteria on the reliability of what is written and proclaimed to be “True”?
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Kick_Faceinator in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED   
    Discarding books/data shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion for anyone teaching who is connected to Jesus Christ. You shouldn’t have to throw any teachings away if the branch teaching them was connected to the vine of Jesus Christ (John 15:5), they should have lasted forever as Jesus says those that teach who are in connection with him will have teachings that will last and never need to be changed/thrown away (John 15:16). The problem isn’t discarding the data, it’s way bigger in that, this proves the watchtower leadership hasn’t been connected to Jesus Christ in the first place. Their teachings are going rotten within a matter of a couple years and proves their publications are nothing more than farce.
    “Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.’” - Matthew 15:9
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Victim of Tewkesbury child abuser Eunice Spry to tell his story on TV   
    https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/victim-tewkesbury-child-abuser-eunice-5396766
    A victim of Tewkesbury child abuser Eunice Spry is to tell his story on national TV.
    He was taken away from his parents, who could not look after him at the age of three. He was placed in the care of Eunice Spry, a pillar of the Jehovah's Witness community, at her Gloucestershire home.
    Life was idyllic at first, with Spry playing the ‘strict but loving’ parent. But a few months later, the abuse began. For more than 13 years Spry systematically tortured Christopher and some of her other foster children.
    Cheltenham-born Christopher Spry is to appear in the Survivors series, presented by former Coronation Street actress Denise Welch, on the Crime + Investigation channel.
    It explores what it means to live with the trauma of enduring and surviving horrific crimes and the incredible effort and courage required to rebuild a life in the aftermath.
    Christopher’s story will be told in the last of the series’ six episodes, at 9pm on May 24.
     
       
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Witness in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED   
    Donated money to publish these books?  Out the window.
    Is this is a sign of poverty?  Not for the leadership, but possibly for those who work endlessly to donate funds toward the earthly dreams of false teachers.  (Luke 4:5-7; Phil 3:19)
    Spiritual food once stored in a stuffy, moldy toolbox?  Sifted and tossed out.
    Is this a sign of spiritual famine?
    Amos 8:11 - Look, the days are coming -- this is the declaration of the Lord GOD -- when I will send a famine through the land: not a famine of bread or a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD.
    "You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you and I have appointed and placed and purposefully planted you, so that you would go and bear fruit and keep on bearing, and that your fruit will remain and be lasting, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. 
    I am the Vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him bears much fruit, for [otherwise] apart from Me [that is, cut off from vital union with Me] you can do nothing."  John 15:16,5
    “But understand this, that in the last days dangerous times [of great stress and trouble] will come [difficult days that will be hard to bear]. 2 For people will be lovers of self [narcissistic, self-focused], lovers of money [impelled by greed], boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane, 3 [and they will be] unloving [devoid of natural human affection, calloused and inhumane], irreconcilable, malicious gossips, devoid of self-control [intemperate, immoral], brutal, haters of good, 4 traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of [sensual] pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of [outward] godliness (religion), although they have denied its power [for their conduct nullifies their claim of faith].
    Avoid such people and keep far away from them. 6 For among them are those who worm their way into homes and captivate morally weak and spiritually-dwarfed women weighed down by [the burden of their] sins, easily swayed by various impulses, 7 always learning and listening to anybody who will teach them, but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”  2 Tim 3:1-7 AMP Bible
    Therefore, the Lord God says this,
    “Listen carefully, My servants will eat, but you will be hungry;
    Indeed, My servants will drink, but you will be thirsty;
    Indeed, My servants will rejoice, but you will be put to shame.”  Isa 65:13
    Famine and Thirst

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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED   
    There will be 'persecution' of the GB, the Watchtower, the CCJW and JW Org, but it will not be because they serve God properly. And they have destroyed the evidence of witnesses of CSA, evidence given to Elders behind closed doors. THAT is what would give the GB et al away. 
    But can you not understand one reason for the 'turn against Christianity' (and all other religions), when ALL so called religions are trying to hide pedophiles in their organisations and all religions are telling lies. 
     
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Matthew9969 in LIST OF PUBLICATIONS TO BE DISCARDED   
    Gotta burn the evidence of what was truth is now a lie.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to TrueTomHarley in Jehovah’s Witnesses: The World’s Most Persecuted Religion   
    Here’s the latest from Billie Eilish, the newest singing sensation, who until recently dressed like a sack of potatoes and wore her hair green:
    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2021/may/02/billie-eilish-says-all-her-age-group-have-suffered-sexual-misbehaviour
    She says she doesn’t know a single peer who hasn’t experienced some sort of underage abuse. “It’s everywhere.”
    This is the world human rulership has delivered to us. Notice how she breaks ranks with 4Jah and Witness and doesn’t blame it on Jehovah’s Witnesses.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Arauna in Jehovah’s Witnesses: The World’s Most Persecuted Religion   
    Very true. Where ever one finds children there will be those with a sick mind who will be opportunistic or predatory.  With porn on internet this crime is on the rise. There are Judas-like people everywhere.... so parents are the first defense.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Matthew9969 in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance   
    Actually I'm only on the internet during my lunch hour, so I definitely don't have the free time you apparently do to take cheap shots at people and insult them.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Matthew9969 in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance   
    More money for the governing body to live higher in luxury.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Witness in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance   
    I don’t recall the apostles conforming to the belief of three major meetings per year.   Their goal was to make the effort to move away from such traditions. (Col 2:16,17)    I use to swallow down the idea that three yearly meeting were “biblical”, but with the coming of Jesus Christ and the “new” way to worship – in spirit and in truth – I now see the organization reverting right back to beliefs before Jesus came to earth.  Is Jesus the organization's stumbling block? Is it caught between a hybrid of worship involving the nation of Israel, and its temple worship and traditions, while refusing to accept and recognize the "temple" worship that involves "Israel"?
      The anointed since Christ, “Israel”, do not need to observe an earthly pattern of worship, but only the heavenly, involving the heavenly Temple, and not the earthly desires for “organization”.   (Heb 8:3-6; Col 3:2; 2:8) (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
    We need to keep in mind that God's dwelling/Temple today, has been trampled by men assuming to formulate their own form of worship.  (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    “When you come to appear before Me,
    Who has required this from your hand,
    To trample My courts?
    13 Bring no more futile sacrifices;
    Incense is an abomination to Me.
    The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies—
    I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting.
    14 Your New Moons and your appointed feasts
    My soul hates;
    They are a trouble to Me,
    I am weary of bearing them.
    15 When you spread out your hands,
    I will hide My eyes from you;
    Even though you make many prayers,
    I will not hear.
    Your hands are full of blood."  Isa 1:12-15
    Rev 16:4-7
     
     
     
     
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to TrueTomHarley in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance   
    I think it’s pretty intriguing. You state the benefits well.
    Can’t go wrong when you leave things in the pipeline, for others to pick up on or not.
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to ComfortMyPeople in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance   
    ABOUT WHERE IT'S BEING HEARD...
    @JW Insider has referred some comments for others. I have other sources as well. A Bethelite with many years at the world headquarters tells me that when they meet by chance some members of the G.B. half jokingly, half seriously, they comment aloud things like "how well the zoom meetings work, how well everything is working" or the like. I know that these brothers want the G.B. keep thinking that there is a new approach to celebrate meetings, that they consider it.
    WEEKLY IN-HOUSE MEETINGS
    The face-to-face meetings, held in a physical location, I see as absolutely essential. There are emotional, delicate and uplifting conversations that I myself cannot have with some brothers because I cannot touch or see them up close (perhaps things from my Mediterranean culture). This is only one of the negative effects of not having face-to-face meetings, among many others that could be cited. Now, where in the Bible does it say that there are to be one, two, or three weekly meetings? Do biblical principles prevent some of these meetings from being in an online format?
    Real -positive- cases that are occurring due to the zoom meetings:
    A brother who comes home late from work, often missed the meeting or was late, because it is not enough for him to just get home, he has to fix himself, go back to the K.H., park the car ... Now He says he's arriving, puts on his tie, and you're done!
    Young couples with small children who used to return late from the meeting on weekdays. When he returned, it was his turn to feed the children and fix them for bed. Now he saves a lot of time.
    Brothers who at the time of the meeting have some discomfort or another and do not see themselves with the strength to go to the meeting. Being less expensive (even if they look bad for health they turn off the video) they don't miss the zoom meeting at home.
    Saving effort, time, money ... well, there would be more, but not to extend myself.
    THE ASSEMBLIES
    I think it is another anachronism: as Israel had three major annual conventions, so did we. As I have said before, many brothers attend the assembly and find out absolutely nothing: they take care of young children or relatives in poor health. They get up early every day to get ready and be at the assembly hall on time. They invest money in this process. Then you are asked to spend about 5 hours of attentive program, taking notes and everything.
    The benefits of zoom assemblies have been impressive. We can listen, repeat the videos, absorb the information much better, save effort, money.
    On the latter, thousands and thousands of brothers have invested hours of work for the preparations of the assemblies, or for the weekly care of the premises in the case of the assembly halls. Many of us have missed entire programs doing essential work for the operation of the program.
    And isn't it nice that we see thousands of brothers in a beautiful assembly hall? Yes of course! That is why I say that, following the format of international assemblies, these face-to-face assemblies should be scheduled each year. Families and siblings whose personal and financial circumstances allow them to attend in a given year would simply sign up to attend. The rest would see the assembly at home, or in kingdom halls, in short, in zoom format, like last year.
    THE PERSECUTION
    The JWs believe that we will soon face a worldwide violent persecution that will affect our meetings (as now in Russia, but all over the world). Therefore, the ideal would be to continue having experience in this type of online format.
    Well, I better not extend myself further. I don't know what you think. I'm sure that I left things in the pipeline, and I don't think I have the absolute truth, let me know!
     
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    Ray Devereaux reacted to Melinda Mills in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance   
    I don't think I wish to be responsible for transporting people, for several reasons, so that would suit me, but I would like to see other members in person from time to time.
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