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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Isabella in Dear Librarian I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him.Isn't this animal cruelty? How he can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is   
    Dear @The Librarian
    I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him. Isn't this animal cruelty? How this JW can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is not taking care of his domestic animal? Prov. 12:10.
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    I agree with your prediction you repeated several times on various topics. This only proves that the WTJWorg Administration along with its members is dormant in its self-confidence of living in a “spiritual paradise”. Poor internal communication, poor policies and rules of conduct in critical situations, poor education, in general, and especially for CSA. The fact that they are capable organizers for construction projects and the purchase / sale of real estate is not enough.
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions   
    But it proves where their hearts and minds are. 
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to JW Insider in Latest Info on JW.org Ramapo Audio Video Production Center   
    For anyone not aware of the context, check out this site owned by jw.org:
    https://www.jw-avcenter.org/
    I don't actually know the latest. But I do know someone who knows a couple who just got sent home (unexpectedly) from their work assignment on the project. The surprise was based, I think, on delays. Covid-19 may have played a part in meetings with the town of Ramapo, or supply chains, or whatever.
    My son was interested in the solar and geo-thermal projects which were part of the plan (see the site above). He's already been involved in several solar projects, and one is paired with a geo-thermal project, also in upstate NY.
    http://www.ramapo.org/page/news-7/news/information-related-to-the-watchtower-matter-455.html
    If the site is up to date, then little has been documented about anything since May 2021. Maybe that's OK, but I hadn't heard any updates for a while, and was concerned about the delay I just heard about.
    5/26/2021  Presentation to Town Board 5/25/2021 PROCEDURE FOR WATCHTOWER PUBLIC HEARINGS 5/10/2021 Public Hearing Notice for DEIS, Zoning, and Comprehensive Plan Update 4/28/2021 Draft Environmental Impact Statement Appendices 4/28/2021 Draft Environmental Impact Statement 4/28/2021 Notice of Complete Draft Environmental Impact Statement and SEQRA Hearing 12/9/2020 Final Scope for Watchtower DEIS issued by Lead Agency on 12/9/2020 10/16/2020 Comments on Draft Scoping Document 9/23/2020 Informational Meeting Presentation 9/10/2020 SEQRA Notice 2 Resolutions Adopting Positive Declaration and Extending Public Comment Period  8/12/2020 Positive Declaration 8/12/2020 FEAF Part 1 FEAF Part 2  8/12/2020 Zoning Petition Concept Site Plan  Draft Scoping Outline 8/5/2020
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Latest Info on JW.org Ramapo Audio Video Production Center   
    It doesn't show the underground bunkers though  
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Pudgy in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Remember this, Jehovah God foretold and had a Prophet  declare the news that Nineveh the Great City  would be destroyed.
    Then, for reasons of his own, he changed his mind.
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    At the very beginning of my comment, I have to notice how intensely you have given down votes to a large number of my comments since your name appeared on the forum. Now for the second time you call me a friend and even more, dear friend. I don’t mind either way of communicating. But friend, let me say a few words about what you wrote.
    The example from the desert and the example of Jerusalem have one thing in common when it comes to the time period of these events. Both events culminated in a short period, in just a few decades. As for the people in the desert, the report sets the time at 40 years, and as for Jerusalem, from Jesus ’words uttered in 33 CE to 70 CE, 37 years have passed.
    Well we see, when WTJWorg today, draws parallels and interpretations then it has obviously lost sight of the fact that the representative/s of each generation from both examples was/were at the beginning and end of the one and same event. There is no so called "overlap" in WTJWorg sense of meaning. Today’s doctrine of the “overlapping generation” that JWs preach, to themselves for the most part, has gone completely beyond the time frame of the biblical examples you cited. 
    Why I emphasized the word today. Because WTJWorg has in the past announced Armageddon within a small number of years (one or two, three decades). Today, with the "overlapping generation", they are trying to get out of his own theology, which they imposed so strongly in the past. But again, they limited themselves in time frame, as it is hard for them to admit that Armageddon may not come for the next 50-100 years either. If they talked about it publicly in that way, they would be left without most of the membership, which is now in the organization. Well, they again limited themselves in time to two overlapping generations. Fortunately for them, the term they invented will give future WTJWorg theologians the opportunity to juggle terminology and a new interpretation for future generations of JW members.
    The behavior of humanity does not encourage people to look to the future with hope, we agree. But how far can that go? If God wants to save the innocent and from destroying the planet earth, he does not have to wait for the future. It could have done this many times already in the 20th century.., and not just because of the destruction of the planet. Well, do JWs think God will be motivated by a desire to save planet Earth to start Armageddon? Shouldn't his motive be primarily due to the destruction of human lives that have suffered from powerful people and villains from the ancient past to the present?
     
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    To me, this sounds like God would need people to destroy each other for the sake of the Bible, translations and interpretations. 
    * red text highlighted by me
    I am not sure how to understand this. Who are "non inspired prophets" who have made "inspired works"?
    The reasons why someone dies for the “truth of Christ” need to be learned from the person himself. JW, Catholics, Protestants, etc. suffer for their version of truth about Christ.
    This is the first time I have heard that someone is dying today because of a (specific or any) translation of the Bible. Maybe there are people who have a Bible, and the state forbids them to have one. But then I would say that ultimately these people suffer because they don’t want to renounce God from the Bible, not because of the book itself which is made of paper. If they are hiding the Bible from the authorities and risking their lives for it, then they should ask themselves what is worth more: The book or their life?
    Certainly, I agree that one should be true to his principles and pay the price for it. But where to go, how far, with the principles. Well, the Bible itself says that it is "better to be a living dog than a dead lion." However one wants to interpret this saying. And it can be interpreted in many ways, right?
    Do people die because of the "truth", for the "truth" or because of/for their "belonging to something"?
    But you will agree that preference should be given to life and not death. 
    Because, if a man has sinned while he is alive, he can repent and start again. And when he surrenders to death because he thinks that with his death he will please God, then that is debatable. Because, he died for his vision of the truth about God. And the question is, was that true at all. At this JW club, it is constantly proven that “truth” is changing within this religious community. I don’t know how it is with other religions and how often they change their interpretations and dogmas. Perhaps you have some information and can make comparison with JW.
     
     
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    No, they are not impossible to understand, it’s just that you chose the wrong analogy.  GB member A. Morris once said that as the apostles had set decrees, so too, does the governing body.  They have set their own analogy, in the manner of the apostles.  But since these teach an earthly organization can be “inspired”, (“spirit-directed organization”), (Rev 13:15)   while they personally are not, truthfully they are false apostles.  “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.” 2 Cor 11:13
    Since they pass doctrine and forecast dates of Armageddon and the coming Kingdom, they set their own analogy as prophets.  But since these doctrines and predictions fail, they are truthfully, false prophets. “Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.”  Matt 24:11
    Since they only, among all anointed, take on the role of dispensing spiritual food, they have set their own analogy as the “faithful and discreet slave”, teachers solely in charge of providing “fruit”/sustenance for the house of God.  But since their teachings do not last, but rot, they are in essence, false teachers.  “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.”  2 Pet 2:1  “So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.”  Matt 7:20
    Putting themselves ahead of all Christ’s brothers and sisters, has set their own analogy as already deemed the “faithful and discreet slave”, but since they silence the anointed by telling them to obey the exalted elder body(2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2), which prevents them from acting as the priest/teachers God appointed them to be - offering their daily sacrifice as they should (Dan 8:11,12) – this GB is truthfully, the evil slave of Matt 24:48-51.  “The kings (elders) of the Gentiles rule over their subjects, and those in authority over them (over the Gentile elders) are called ‘friends of the people.’(GB)  But that’s not the way it will be with you. Instead, the greatest among you must become like a person of lower status and the leader like a servant.”  Luke 22:25-26
    These men set their own analogy by stating they are servants of Christ – "anointed" ones  following the path Jesus set before us.   But since they “kill” their own brothers and sisters who cannot accept their false teachings (Rev 13:11,12,15), they are truthfully, false “christs”.  “False christs and false prophets will appear, and they will offer signs and wonders in order to deceive, if possible, those whom God has chosen.”  Mark 13:22 
    There are many analogies to make concerning the GB, but Cyrus is not one of them.
     
     
     
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Michigan school district cancels Halloween, Valentine’s Day to be ‘inclusive’   
    https://nypost.com/2021/10/15/michigan-schools-cancel-halloween-and-valentines-day-to-be-inclusive/
    This has to be good  
    Halloween and Valentine’s Day have been canceled for elementary-school students in a Michigan district over concerns about being “inclusive” and “equitable.”
    East Lansing Public Schools informed parents of the decision to cancel the two holidays this week, the Lansing State Journal reports.
    The celebrations were dropped because of concerns over hurt feelings by kids in families who don’t want them to participate, the district’s elementary-school principals said in a joint letter to parents.
    “Each year, along with the fun of Halloween parties and parades, we also have students whose families do not celebrate or feel comfortable with their children participating in Halloween festivities,” the principals wrote.
    “We have young children who become overwhelmed and sometimes frightened of the costumes and others who come to school with no costume at all.”
    Officials also added that it was difficult for students to remain concentrated on classwork amid Halloween celebrations.
    As for Valentine’s Day, the principals said some families and students “do not feel comfortable with the idea of boys and girls exchanging valentines or participating in a celebration that focuses on ‘love.’
    “While some students bring valentines to exchange, others do not,” the principals wrote.
    “In our upper elementary classrooms, the exchange of valentines sometimes leads to classroom drama and teasing.”
    Assistant Superintendent Glenn Mitcham said Halloween and Valentine’s Day could still be incorporated into the curriculum – they just won’t be celebrated going forward.
    As an example, he said classes could measure a pumpkin to learn about its circumference.
    “We’re striving hard at East Lansing Public Schools to be a district that is equitable and inclusive for all families,” the principals wrote.
    The news comes just days after a Seattle elementary school announced it had canceled its annual Halloween parade this year – because it “marginalizes students of color who do not celebrate the holiday.”
    Some Jehovah’s Witnesses, evangelical Christians and Muslims are among those who do not celebrate Halloween.
    The decision to cancel the Pumpkin Parade at Benjamin Franklin Day Elementary School was made by the Racial Equity Team.
    Well I think that is one piece of good news. 
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    I repeat FUNNY HOW YOU NOW CALL THEM BIRTH PANGS 
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    I suppose this could be analyzed from more than one aspect, and then some conclusions drawn.
    What the JWs are preaching, and you have now repeated, in relation to the above events is that the number and frequency of events is directly related to the prophecy of Jesus and the year 1914. Although, I don’t think anywhere in Jesus ’words can one hear or see that Jesus said and linked the increase in frequency and number of events to prophecy. Jesus did not say a single word that in the future there would be more wars, more diseases, more famines, and the like, than there were in their time.
    In fact, it came to an end in their time (70 CE). So, the number of wars, earthquakes, famines and the like remained, i guess, on average during that time (1st century) which he marked "the end of the system of things" .., for the Jews. The End in which "there is no stone left unturned."
    How an earthquake occurs. These are the seismic processes that (God) built into planet Earth during creation, during formation. The decrease or increase in the number of earthquakes should be related to the state of the geological processes of the planets, and not to whether people are evil, and therefore they are reached by the prophecy of earthquakes in which they lose their lives. Earthquakes do not take place because people are evil or because people live in the “last days”.
    Wars, on the other hand, can be attributed to human character. Poverty and hunger (on global scale) are also often times associated with the decisions of the people who run the states. Because not all people in the world are starving. If everyone in the world were starving, would that be a fulfillment of prophecy? Or is the fulfillment of the prophecy a periodic starvation in certain parts of the world? Is the poverty of some parts of human society the fulfillment of prophecy? What is poverty? Is it when you have less than $ 500 a month, or less than $ 2500 a month?
    According to Rutherford, the "time of the end" is a period of time when millions will not die, but will live forever. What a delightful sensation he caused in most of his listeners, and how at the same time he uttered the greatest nonsense. And all those people died, and we're talking about them now.
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in What is the sign of the Son of man?   
    This is not Watchtower teaching as we've already mentioned. 
    https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201001/what-is-judgment-day/
    God’s appointed Judge is Christ Jesus. The Bible says that Jesus will “judge the living and the dead.” (2 Timothy 4:1) Who are “the living” that will be judged? How will the dead come to life again on “the inhabited earth”?
    Jesus Judges “the Living”
    We are now nearing the foretold end of the present system of things, when God will destroy all elements of corrupt human society  and remove the wicked. Survivors of this system’s end are “the living” who will be judged.—Revelation 7:9-14; 19:11-16.
    During that period of judgment, which will last 1,000 years, Christ Jesus along with 144,000 men and women resurrected to life in heaven will rule over the earth. They will serve as kings and priests, administering the benefits of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice and progressively elevating faithful humans to physical and mental perfection.—Revelation 5:10; 14:1-4; 20:4-6.
    So please give us a straight answer. Who is right, You or the Watchtower / JW Org ? 
    I don't see a link to the Watchtower article for this. Shame as it would be nice to read it in context. 
    I think right now there is a big difference between the 'wicked' and the 'unrighteous'.  
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in What is the sign of the Son of man?   
    "But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of *angels* ("messengers" Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9),  to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel."  Heb 12:22-24
    "Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us"  Heb 12:1
    3 "And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”   
    "When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them." 
     "Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them."  Rev 11:3,7,11,12
    "For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are  asleep.  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord."  1 Thess 4:15-17
    For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.  Rom 8:18,19
    "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen."  Rev 1:7
    "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."  Matt 24:30
    "But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:  'Let all the *angels* of God worship Him.'”   And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits  And His ministers a flame of fire.” Heb 1:6,7
    Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you, ‘I saw you under the fig tree,’ do you believe? You will see greater things than these.” 51 And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the *angels* of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.”  John 1:50,51
     
     
     
     
     
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Zechariah 8: 22 & 23
    And many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek Jehovah of armies in Jerusalem and to beg for the favor of Jehovah.’23  “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.” " 
    Was this a one time happening, or is it prophecy ?  If it is prophecy then the JEW must be Spiritual and not just one person. And if God is with the JEW = Spiritual Jews = Anointed, then are those Anointed inspired or just guided by God ?
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    Acts 2 : 17 & 18
    17  ‘“And in the last days,” God says, “I will pour out some of my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy and your young men will see visions and your old men will dream dreams, 18  and even on my male slaves and on my female slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.
    We know this was fulfilled at that time as mentioned in Acts, but is it still a prophecy for our time ? 
    It says 'in the Last Days', and we are lving in the Last Days.  
    It says God will 'pour out some of His spirit'. Is that to inspire or to guide those mentioned ? 
    Surely they would need to be inspired to be able to prophesy ?  The scripture must mean TRUE prophecy so it would need TRUE inspiration. But when ? 
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    What has been said is speculation. First of all; God’s finger wrote on the stone and gave the “10 Commandments of God” for Moses to read to the people. If God could write it down, He could have written the whole Bible, right? This would certainly reduce some of the mistakes that could still be made when writing by people. Also, God could, if He willed, make other models in copying and reproducing the original Scriptures, which would give a guarantee that the “Word of God” could not be circumvented.
    But certainly, there are always and will be people who will believe in one or the other, and show confidence or distrust in previous records and the expertise of those who transcribed and translated the Bible into other languages. It happens on both sides. And from those who, reading some translations of the Bible, say they are poorly and incorrectly translated, to those who claim that only certain translations of the Bible are correct and true.
     
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    We have the faithful and sealed,  144,000” who never worshipped Revelation’s end time Wild Beast from the Sea.  They were blameless “and lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years”.  Rev 20:4
    We also have the anointed remnant in the last days -  “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”, who are “taken captive by empty philosophy”.  (Col 2:8,1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10)  Satan deceives them with a flood of lies. This is how he “makes war” with them.  (Rev 12:3,4,15)
    Matt 24:24,25 –  “For false messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Take note: I have told you in advance.”
    Through this captivity, the anointed worship the Beast, they give their obedience to men and the beast/organization.  They bear its “mark”; but there are some who “conquer” the Beast/organization by sacrificing their life for Christ. (John 16:2; Rev 11:1-3,7; 13:15; 15:2) They also must repent to receive their “white robe washed in the blood of the lamb”. (Heb 10:22; Rev 7:14)
    The symbolic thousand years ended with the emergence of the Wild Beast from the Sea and the Beast with “two horns” like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon” – descriptive of false prophets.  (Rev 13:11,12)
    Gog and Magog of Rev 20:7,8 = the two Beasts of Rev 13.  One represents false prophets of “Israel”, (“Gog”), and one represents the “man of lawlessness”/organization (“Magog”) and an army that persecutes the saints.  (Joel 1:4,7-10; Rev 8:10,11; 9:1-6; 13:5-7)  The false prophet of Rev 13:11,12 directs the Beast from the Sea. Who directs the organization?
    Rev 20: “When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison (Rev 9:1,2) and will go out to deceive the nations at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle.”  
    The battle of Armageddon.  There is no other battle once this one is finished as Daniel tells us. Dan 7:11-14,21,22,26,27
     Rev 20:8,9 - “Their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 They came up across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the encampment of the saints, the beloved city.
    “New Jerusalem”/Temple of God.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Gal 4:26)
    Once the temple is sealed by the last capstone, (Zech 4:9,10) there is no way that the faithful saints in the Kingdom can be surrounded by Satan, Gog and Magog of Rev 20, while ruling with Jesus Christ.  It is the anointed “kings of the earth” that are the primary target of this war.  Rev 16:13-16 (Rev 1:5)
    And this war is one of DECEIT against the saints, as Rev 20:7 tells us.  Deceit means lies, not a war of nations fighting with literal weapons.   How can proven faithful, sealed anointed be deceived once reigning with Jesus Christ in the Kingdom?
    Rev 20:9,10 - “Then fire came down from heaven and consumed them. 10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet are, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
    We already know that the anointed saints are surround by a number like the sand of the sea – the massive elder body who have usurped their position as God’s priests, ending their daily sacrifice to God.  (Ezek 44:6-9)
    God promises no more death or sorrow in the Kingdom.  The Wt doctrine of the thousand years ending in war, nullifies this promise from God. (Rev 21:4)  He looks at the heart of each one of us during our lifetime, even those before Christ. He already perceives what we are made of, what are capabilities are.  Becoming fleshly, mentally perfect will make no difference.  Obviously, it didn’t for Adam and Eve.   (1 Sam 16:7; Heb 4:13)
     
     
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Pudgy in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Your example, Ariana, may prove something …. But it does not prove different generations make up one generation, any more than cutting a fishing worm into three parts proves the Trinity.
    The fact remains that NOWHERE did Jesus teach overlapping generations. 
    The whole concept is a desperate fantasy to try and recover from being 100% wrong, 100% of the time, to desperate people who lubricate the “Chariot’s” wheels with a never ending waterfall of money, desperately wanting to believe it is true.
    …. and emotionally comforted because with this fantasy explanation, their faith is now justified, and all is well.
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    But if your grand child is going to watch ex-JW material it is easily possible that your influence (regarding the WTJWorg doctrine) will not be of any use.  On the other hand, every effort you would make to make a child an honest and responsible person is commendable.
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Lawsuit alleges church elder sexually abused youth. Updated October 11   
    https://knox.villagesoup.com/2021/10/09/lawsuit-alleges-church-elder-sexually-abused-youth/
    Allegations also say other elders threatened to sue family of victim if they referred abuse complaint to law enforcement.
     
    A lawsuit has been filed on behalf of a local woman who said she was repeatedly sexually assaulted as a child by an elder at the Rockland Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Rockport.  The lawsuit was filed Sept. 30 in the Knox County court against the Rockport congregation and Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.  The woman said she was molested multiple occasions between 1993 and 1996 when she was 11 to 13 years old. The victim disclosed to her mother about the abuse in 1996 and the mother immediately informed the other elders of the congregation, the lawsuit stated. Instead of investigating the allegations or removing the elder from his position, the elders threatened a lawsuit against the victim’s family if they went public. That pressure led the family not to report the abuse to law enforcement, according to the lawsuit.  Shortly after the woman reported the abuse, the congregation disfellowshipped her, with the elder who said she abused her being on the judicial committee that took the action.  Bigos said the Washington man who molested the young woman remains an elder and is the registered agent for the congregation.  According to the lawsuit, at age 17 the victim wanted to rejoin the Jehovah’s Witnesses along her with then-boyfriend but she was told she would need to recant her abuse allegation.  The lawsuit also alleges that Watchtower would issue policies to elders and among these recommendations were to report allegations of child molestation to Watchtower rather than law enforcement. The elders should also not warn the congregation of threats posed by an accused child abuser, and the elders should not cooperate when confronted with a search warrant but instead contact Watchtower.
    Now whether this is hyped up, or if it's just advertising for the Laywers, or even if it's false news.
    The point is that this CSA reporting against the JW Org is not going away. 
    Will members of the public be 'turned off' from communicating with JWs because of this ? Especially as this Elder still holds his position in the congregation. Yes CSA IS everywhere, but that does not help the org. 
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Matthew9969 in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    How can Jehovah use your organization when you admit you are not inspired by the holy spirit?
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Witness in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    No, not in the same way God used Cyrus.  
    “Thus says the Lord to His anointed,
    To Cyrus, whose right hand I have held—
    To subdue nations before him
    And loose the armor of kings,
    To open before him the double doors,
    So that the gates will not be shut:
    2 ‘I will go before you
    And make the crooked places straight;
    I will break in pieces the gates of bronze
    And cut the bars of iron.
    3 I will give you the treasures of darkness
    And hidden riches of secret places,
    That you may know that I, the Lord,
    Who call you by your name,
    Am the God of Israel.  Isa 45
     
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    This could mean that Cyrus worked on his own and exclusively for his own interests, but it turned out well for the Jews as well. 
    When the Bible says that "God will put it in the hearts of kings to do his will", then it is not a kind of "inspiration", but what is it then? Fraud in a "diplomatic" way?
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    Kick_Faceinator reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Rutherford said "MILLIONS now living will never die", and at that time there were not even one million of 'them'.  But then he 'invented' the Jehovah's Witnesses, and then something happened where the teaching became 'Only JW's will survive because the Org is the 'New Ark'.  @JW Insider has written that the 'feeling in the Org' is not to guess how many wil be saved. 
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    This is from the Watchtower as I've shown before. 
    https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201001/what-is-judgment-day/
    Jesus Judges “the Living”
    We are now nearing the foretold end of the present system of things, when God will destroy all elements of corrupt human society  and remove the wicked. Survivors of this system’s end are “the living” who will be judged.—Revelation 7:9-14; 19:11-16.
    During that period of judgment, which will last 1,000 years, Christ Jesus along with 144,000 men and women resurrected to life in heaven will rule over the earth. They will serve as kings and priests, administering the benefits of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice and progressively elevating faithful humans to physical and mental perfection.—Revelation 5:10; 14:1-4; 20:4-6.
    ( That is the Judging of those that live through Armageddon. )
     
    Judging “the Dead”
    The Bible says that during Judgment Day the dead will “rise up.” (Matthew 12:41) Jesus said that “the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.” (John 5:28, 29) This is not referring to disembodied souls of those who have died. The dead are totally unconscious and do not have a soul that survives death. (Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14, 23, 24) Jesus will bring those asleep in death back to life again on earth.
    Will the judgment of resurrected ones be based on what they did before their death? No. The Bible teaches that “he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7) So, like those who survive the end of this system, those resurrected to life on earth will be judged “according to their deeds” during Judgment Day. (Revelation 20:12, 13) Depending on the final outcome of their actions, this will turn out to be either a resurrection that results in everlasting life or a resurrection that results in destruction. Many of those restored to life will for the first time come to know about Jehovah God and his requirements for life. They will have the opportunity to live in harmony with God’s will and receive everlasting life on earth.
    ( So the Living and the resurrected Dead will ALL be judged, according to Watchtower teachings ) 
    Rando says that the living are being judged now, and that makes sense. But this W/t information says the Living will be judged after Armageddon. Survivors of this system’s end are “the living” who will be judged.
    Anna said it is the resurrected dead that will be judged during the 1,000 years. She is right but it will also include those that live through Armageddon. So, like those who survive the end of this system, those resurrected to life on earth will be judged “according to their deeds” during Judgment Day.
    Arauna, In your comment above 
    Ezekiel 9 talks about the angel with the inkpot that will mark everyone for survival through Armageddon. We are in this period right now!  The winds of destruction are being held back for the 144000 to be sealed and also for the great crowd to be marked!   We are marked according to our Christian personality.  ................  The bible itself says they must have the name of the father AND the son!   If you read your bible regularly you will feel guilty over any behavior that is unacceptable to Jehovah and adjust it according to the righteous standards of God - being NICE is NOT the criteria!      Accepting Jehovah and his Son means that we also accept those "principles " which most people find tedious and unnecessary!
     I agree with this. But I note you do not say that one 'has to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses' 
    Which then brings me back to the point of the JW teaching, that one has to be a baptised JW to be saved'. 
    Remember how the teaching about the Superior Authorities (Romans) was taught properly by Russell/Rutherford (one of them), but then is was misused by the Watchtower / JW org. Then eventually it got put right again. 
    Well maybe Rutherford was right about the Millions outside of the 'fold' being saved, but then the Watchtower / JW Org misused the idea. Maybe it will swing back the other way soon. 
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