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  1. They will need to do a bit of work before they cut the mustard in anything like that.....
  2. I suppose the word "misleading" is what I balk at. Miriam Webster defines this as: "to lead in a wrong direction or into a mistaken action or belief often by deliberate deceit" I do not think this is the case in respect of the last days or any portion thereof. I think there have been and are speculative expectations regarding the proximity of Jehovah's intervention and that some get carried along with them, embroidering them even. But not all have, or are, even now. An "are we there yet?" mindset is not that peculiar among humans who are expecting good things to happen. It is just a
  3. Know what you mean, but there is a problem with the analogy. Your illustration has $100.00 as the main objective. So you gain nothing until the delivery of that prize. So the seeming delay in receiving this becomes a problem as you actually have nothing until that sum is repaid, in fact you are out of pocket, in a negative position. That is not the case with true Christians. Once their relationship with Jehovah has been restored through Christ, they have something of infinite, immediate value. They are not out of pocket while they await payment of a debt. So as the psalmist said at Ps.1
  4. Only to those who want to be misled. It is, at worst, "ambiguous" to a thinking person. "Last days of what?" is the first question that comes to mind. I see no issue with premature expectation when it comes to the end of this system of things. It seems to have always been a feature of true worshipers that their expectation of Jehovah's action to cleanse the earth brought the event closer in their minds than in fact, see Luke 19:11; Acts 1:6. In fact this attitude is even encouraged, 2Pet.3:11-12, although of course there is balancing counsel too as at 2Thess.2:1-2. We have a very cle
  5. Whatever part of the "last days" we are in, it has to be the final part.....because we "do not know the day or the hour". So if we are missing the point, then it must be because there isn't one being made....
  6. Um....it always is isn't it? If we are in the last days and there is an end, and some of the last days have gone already, and keep going day by day, then we must always be... in the final part....No? As long as we are alive that is of course.
  7. These kind of discussions remind me of what Jesus said about his return to execute judgement: Luke 21:35: "For it WILL come upon ALL those dwelling on the face of the WHOLE earth" So for me, discussions painting scenarios about the correct procession of events and who has the right dates and where we are in the stream of time are at the same time interesting and tedious, depending on the ingenuity and originality of the proposer. Early on, prior to 1975, an old brother (Glaswegian) said to me, "Ye'll hear a lot of talk about when things will or will not happen. Take my word for
  8. They are even more generous now. The "full price" for the books was abysmally little. And it is still all profit to those that freeloaded, and to those that did not it would be mostly profit....if they go selling them of course. And even more wary of religious people if they have any sense.
  9. Don't know if you will have time or inclination to read posts at present James. I have enjoyed some of our exchanges, especially when you have shared some technical insights, or glimpses of your anarchic sense of humor. And I must admit to a sense of achievement when getting your occasional "like" to a comment. I am sorry if you have fallen on hard times. I hope you are able to get through things. Please apply your own advice: "stay closer to Jehovah than I did". Start getting close to Jehovah.... now! This is a God who can retrieve people from the grave even. He will help you though
  10. There is good money to be made from JW literature, and it is all profit to those who have freeloaded
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  11. Coll 3:13 Just as Jehovah freely forgave you, you must also do the same. Coll 2:13 provides context on as to who is the true source of forgiveness in this case. Jesus gave a clear indication of the same at Matt 6:14. The non-trinitarian translators decided that the inclusion of Divine name would correctly clarify who was referenced by the Greek word kyrios in this instance, as they did in 3 other places in the same chapter. Despite the use of the word "messiah" in some Hebrew translations of Coll.3:13, it appears Jean-Marie Paul Bauchet had the same view as the NWT committee when transla
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