@Jack Ryan You show no respect and honor to our Governing Body Overseers.
Have you considered starting your own atheist club instead of trolling this JW one all the time?
What has God ever done to you to deserve all this gall?
@The Librarian Are we going to go down the road of muzzling people who don't fit into our groups or religions? That could get very tedious for you. Just a heads up.
@The Librarian Should I apologize for disrespecting your "Guardians of the Doctrine"? LOL....
What's next? shall we make it a sin to utter the name "David Splane" in it's full form?
@Jack Ryan You will see soon enough when the great tribulation starts and Jehovah destroys you and your kind when he comes in a great rage you spoke about earlier.
"There is where the weeping and gnashing of your teeth" shall occur. It will not be late....
Dear sami,
Some scriptures have links. For those that don’t, I do hope you look into the Bible and read.
What is your definition of “false doctrine”? Being labeled an apostate by the Watchtower is the rejection of their own teachings unique to the organization. If I believe in the Father and Christ, and are guided by God’s Word, I am not an apostate according to God’s Word.
We’ll start by seeing what the Watchtower says about its prophetic abilities:
"Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?" (Watchtower April 1, 1972, p. 197)
What does the records show? Let’s look at just a few examples over a hundred year span.
"In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." (The Time Is At Hand, 1902 edition, p. 99)
The "Gentile Times" prove that the present governments must all be overturned about the close of 1915 A.D." Studies In the Scriptures Series II - The Time Is At Hand 1915 ed. pp.99, 101, 242
"Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p. 216
(We are now in the 21st century.)
“"Logically, the calling of the little flock would draw to a close when the number was nearing completion, and the evidence is that the general gathering of these specially blessed ones ended in 1935." Watchtower 1995 Feb 15 p.19
Logically? Apparently not.
"Thus it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends." Watchtower 2007 May 1 p.31
Your Awake magazines before 11/8/1995, use to have this statement on the inner cover:
"Why Awake is Published" “Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away."
That generation who saw the events of 1914 is no longer alive! The magazine now states:
"Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things."
Do you hear Christ’s voice in any of these teachings? Did your leaders hear Christ’s voice when they fabricated such teachings? The failed doctrines of “this generation” are so twisted and so plentiful I chose not to list them. But, I encourage you to check out Watchtower’s lengthy history of changed teachings regarding it. It is JWs who follow a “Judas goat”/false prophets, putting their lives in jeopardy. Jer 5:31 Jesus said we would recognize both false prophets and those he sends by the “fruit”/teachings they produce which is to last – not be discarded as you would toss aside a rotten apple. John 15:4-8,16;13:20; Matt 24:4,5
Have you ever read the following scriptures?
Moses speaking:
“The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, according to all you desired of the Lord your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’
17 “And the Lord said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.” Deut 18:15-22
Simply, the “prophets” of the organization since its inception have and continue to speak presumptuously on behalf of God, or in the name of another “god” (Jehovah’s organization)…and fail time and time again in their “predictions”. There really is no wiggle room to get around what God predicts as their outcome.
Jesus did not forego speaking up for Truth and exposing lies. Those of Christ’s Body – the anointed ones – must also speak up for Truth, especially among each other. 2 Cor 10:4,5
The entire world is pressing its nose against Watchtower's windows. No longer, can Watchtower hide its secrets. Disfellowshipping has caused thousands to lose connection with their families; it has driven people to take their life; yet, I believe JWs seem to take all of this with tongue in cheek. Victims of child abuse by other members of the organization, have been disfellowshipped; while perpetrators remain in the congregation. I am sorry that you are so indoctrinated, you cannot see the lack of love among your leaders, who have twisted this form of counsel - into a catalyst of hate and destruction. This should be enacted by the anointed priesthood under their loving Head, Christ. Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9; John 21:16; Heb 8:10; Rom 13:10; Heb 8:5,6 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+16%3A24-27%3B+Isa+57%3A13%3B++Rev+13%3A11%2C12%2C15%3B+11%3A3%2C7&version=NKJV
Your use of John 10:27 reminded me of a time in the JW “preaching work” with a woman who approached a man working in his yard. When he rejected her message, she walked away calling out loudly, “Christ’s sheep know his voice”. This puzzled me, since our message was based on “Jehovah”, the organization, a paradise only obtainable through the organization, and the kingdom that supposedly began in 1914. I wondered if I had personally heard Christ’s voice. To believe that you have, while in the organization is pure folly. The governing body’s voices are much louder and much more demanding than Christ’s. 1 Cor 7:23; Rom 6:16; Matt 11:28-30 It wasn’t until leaving the Wt. did I “hear” his voice, unclouded by men’s doctrine loaded with falsehood. I learned it was okay to respond to his voice in prayer, something that your Pharisee-like leaders tell you not to do. John 6:68,69 Ask yourself, who’s voice are you really hearing? Jesus did say those who hear his voice, follow him. John 10:27 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Cor+7%3A23%3B+Rom+6%3A16%3B+Matt+11%3A28-30%3B+John+6%3A68%2C69+&version=NKJV
“Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” John 10:1-5
An earthly corporation with many earthly holdings, is not the gate/door to salvation. Matt 6:24; Acts 4:12 Clearly, if you read the scriptures, Jesus is the gate, and the shepherd of his sheep. John 10:9 I am relieved and blessed I now recognize Christ’s voice. It is no longer a stranger to me. I am so grateful I ‘ran away’ from the thieves, your leaders, who preach “another Jesus” deliberately, to mislead the flock. 2 Cor 11:3,4; Ps 52:1-7
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+6%3A24%3B+Acts+4%3A12%3B+John+10%3A9%3B+2+Cor+11%3A3%2C4%3B+Ps+52%3A1-7&version=NKJV
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide (Watchtower organization) is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” Matt 7:13,14
Regarding 2 Thess 2:7. I really hope you can put aside your defense for the organization and try to engage yourself in these scriptures.
2 Thess 2:7 – (AMP) “For the mystery of lawlessness [rebellion against divine authority and the coming reign of lawlessness] is already at work; [but it is restrained] only until he who now restrains it is taken out of the way. “
2 Thess 2:6 – “And you know what restrains him now [from being revealed]; it is so that he will be revealed at his own [appointed] time.”
This lawlessness is not accomplished by one person, but a collective reign - a power that has now been revealed. The “day of the Lord” is prophesied to have come in 1914 by your literature.
Look what 2 Thess 2: 1,2 says about this:
“Now in regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to meet Him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be quickly unsettled or alarmed either by a [so-called prophetic revelation of a] spirit or a message or a letter [alleged to be] *from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has [already] come.”
*”from us” – from other anointed ones, but who have “gone out” from the Body. 1 John 2:19
In other words, you should reject Watchtower’s “revelation” about 1914! Why?
“Let no one in any way deceive or entrap you, for that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first [that is, the great rebellion, the abandonment of the faith by professed Christians], and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction [the Antichrist, the one who is destined to be destroyed], 4 who opposes and exalts himself [so proudly and so insolently] above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he [actually enters and] takes his seat in the temple of God, publicly proclaiming that he himself is God.” 2 Thess 2:3,4
There is only one temple of God, found in the hearts of the anointed ones. Can you envision this? John 2:19-22; Acts 4:11; Matt 16:18; Eph 2:20-22 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+2%3A19-22%3B+Acts+4%3A11%3B++Matt+16%3A18%3B+Eph+2%3A20-22&version=NKJV
To te anointed ones of his time, Paul said:
Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple. 1 Cor 3:16,17
How would a collective “man of lawlessness” reign, or “take his seat” over the anointed priesthood of God? It has developed gradually, and it is within the organization where the anointed are found. The elder body are, in God’s sight, “foreigners” standing in the Temple of God. 2 Chron 23:6,7; Num 18:7; Ezek 44:6-9 They have been given authority by the administrating anointed ones (GB) to “rule” God’s personal “heritage” – His chosen people. Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Matt 24:48-51 This is the lawlessness at work among those who “profess” to be Christians. 2 Chron 13:9
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chron+23%3A6%2C7%3B+Num+18%3A7%3B+Ezek+44%3A6-9%3BIsa+43%3A10%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%2C10%3B+Matt+24%3A48-51%3B+2+Chron+13%3A9++&version=NKJV
Do you know where we can find further description of this present “lawlessness”? It is in the Beast of Revelation 13:1,18, and the 4th Beast of Daniel’s image. (Dan 7:7)
This Beast, (Rev 13:1) along with Revelation’s false prophet (Rev 13:11) unitedly work together to claim power over the “holy ones.” Rev 13:6,7; Dan 12:7 YOU reside with the anointed ones. YOU accept the lawless rule over them, and over yourself. When Jesus prophesied that a “disgusting thing” would be found in the temple, it was a two-fold prophesy. It came upon the city of Jerusalem leading to its destruction by a Gentile Roman army. It has appeared again upon the “New Jerusalem”/Temple of God – the anointed Body of Christ. Matt 24:15,16; Rev 11:1-3 Those who are not anointed as spiritual “Israel”, are spiritual “Gentiles”. Rom 2:28,29; Rev 7:4 The elder body is by far, not anointed.
Christ’s voice is heard by those who reject the Beasts and their great deception to come against the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”. Rev 12:17 I do hope you ask God if you are on the side of pure, unadulterated by falsehoods, TRUTH, since you are seeing the effects of the battle of truth against lies. Those anointed “kings” who side with Christ in truth, against anointed “kings” who side with Satan and his delusion. 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 20:7-9
2 Thess 2:9,10 (AMP)“The coming of the [Antichrist, the lawless] one is through the activity of Satan, [attended] with great power [all kinds of counterfeit miracles] and [deceptive] signs and false wonders [all of them lies], 10 and by unlimited seduction to evil and with all the deception of wickedness for those who are perishing, because they did not welcome the love of the truth [of the gospel] so as to be saved [they were spiritually blind, and rejected the truth that would have saved them]. 11 Because of this God will send upon them a misleading influence, [an activity of error and deception] so they will believe the lie, 12 in order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe the truth [about their sin, and the need for salvation through Christ], but instead took pleasure in unrighteousness.”
Do you believe the lie that Christ approves of failed doctrines? That God approves an organization that must be cherished and revered as one’s path to salvation over His Son? Do you believe the anointed ones, God’s true priesthood/teachers must remain apart from one another in the organization as your leaders teach you? Do you believe the organization is “spirit-directed” by God, when its leaders have admitted they personally, are not? All of these things are what the Watchtower teaches.
You must be a disfellowshipped person, HUH ? You should be supremely happy - you are now on the outside looking in so stop pressing your nose against our windows.
Did you want followers? All those who choose to follow a Judas goat will be led to the slaughter.
Sheep, on the other hand, hear the voice of the Fine Shepherd calling their name. John 10:3 "The doorkeeper opens to this one, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought all his own out, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him, because they know his voice. 5 They will by no means follow a stranger but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.”
So you were preaching false doctrine in the kingdom hall to Jehovah's Witnesses? Not a very smart move. Then you thought it appropriate to exhibit your mad ravings to the elders and were disfellowshipped for being an apostate. I can't imagine why? Of course apostates are not anything new, the apostle Paul was quite eloquent in his description of those in the first century.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who is right now acting as a restraint is out of the way. 8 Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. 9 But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. 11 That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."
I have a feeling you are not very happy any place you plant yourself, but look at it this way - you weren't happy with us and we were not happy with you.
It is not common where I live. If it is done people might say we are imitating customs that are foreign. Like the large funeral wakes held in countries like Japan and Africa. The programmes usually say the family wants to spend the period after the funeral in quiet reflection. Some family members visit with the relatives at the residence, but the majority of attendees go their own way.
Notwithstanding the fact that every word of this letter has been made public, I am of the opinion that a facsimile of it should have never been published and request that it be deleted. I have no problem with the contents of of the letter being quoted word for word, but the facsimile should be deleted.
@The Librarian
Sad we are proud of Our Lord Christ and his Death reminds me of Jehovah’s Loyal Love and how much He and Our Lord Christ Love Us!
Let your MOUTH ? NOT YOUR TEE SHIRT ? PROCLAIM THIS WONDERFUL OCCASION! ??
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@Queen Esther I mean that I think it is grossly disrespectful to make money from advertising Jesus death. It also makes the memorial into a commercial venture.
Got this from a sis, as related at Bethel....
Brother Sanderson told a tear jerker experience from the Phillipines. A sister started a Bible study with a little girl named Isa who was only 4 years old. Basically she taught her the Bible Stories by using the pictures. She quickly learned and before long was reading, She even went to cong meetings and in the public ministry with this sister over the course of the next 6 years. (The experience did not say, but am wondering if perhaps the sister was a maid or nanny in the household.) The little girl's mother was involved in politics and the father was a policeman so they were not interested in Bible truth at that time. Then the sister had to move away. She was heartbroken about Isa and wondered what would happen to her.
When Isa found out that the sister was leaving she ran after her and cried, "Auntie, when I get to paradise who will be my mama and my papa since my mother and father are not witnesses?" The sister replied, "Your auntie and uncle will be there with you." (In other words, the sister and her husband.) The years went by.Â
Later, the sister learned that Isa was killed in a motorcycle acident. The parents were heart broken and were going to have a religious funeral for Isa. The school teacher let the parents know that on recent papers that Isa had turned in at the school she said that she was one of Jehovah's Witnesses. So the mother and father asked the local witnesses if they would conduct the funeral for Isa.Â
The brothers and sisters rallied around the parents and the parents were so glad to learn that they could see their daughter again in paradise that they began studying the Bible, the father resigned as a policeman, and the mother gave up politics. They were baptized. So now when Isa comes back in the Resurrection (John 5:29 & 11:21-25; Acts 24:15...)
imagine her ecstasy when she not only sees her "auntie and uncle" who taught her Bible truth, but also her very own mom and dad!
Just had to share that experience with you as it was such a sweet one. Little do we know to some young ones who can't read yet, even though taught God's Word, pictures mean so much!Â
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