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Notwithstanding the fact that every word of this letter has been made public, I am of the opinion that a facsimile of it should have never been published and request that it be deleted.  I have no problem with the contents of of the letter being quoted word for word, but the facsimile should be deleted.

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Notwithstanding the fact that every word of this letter has been made public, I am of the opinion that a facsimile of it should have never been published and request that it be deleted.  I have no problem with the contents of of the letter being quoted word for word, but the facsimile should be deleted.

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1 hour ago, Dennis Gilman said:

Facsimiles of letter to the elders should never be posted on sites like this, no matter what the content.

Why?

I think that they should .... It gives greater credibility to the authenticity of the information being relayed, and I believe EVERYTHING that we do, down to the last jot and tittle of minutiae, should be public, open, transparent, and that we should be PROUD of it!

It is my opinion that the Watchtower's films and publications should be copied for the whole world to see .... after all ... they were made with monies contributed in part by those who are NOT Witnesses.

Can you imagine Jesus ticked off about someone spreading what is TRUE, just because they did not travel in the circles of Jesus and the Apostles?

 I cannot.

In fact, I seem to remember the Apostles had the same concerns you have ..... and Jesus' actual reply.

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(Matthew 12:25-30) . . .Knowing their thoughts, he said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself comes to ruin, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 In the same way, if Satan expels Satan, he has become divided against himself; how, then, will his kingdom stand? 27 Moreover, if I expel the demons by means of Be·elʹze·bub, by whom do your sons expel them? This is why they will be your judges. 28 But if it is by means of God’s spirit that I expel the demons, the Kingdom of God has really overtaken you. 29 Or how can anyone invade the house of a strong man and seize his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Only then can he plunder his house. 30 Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

 

(Mark 9:38-42) 38 John said to him: “Teacher, we saw someone expelling demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he was not following us.” 39 But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one who will do a powerful work on the basis of my name who will quickly be able to say anything bad about me. 40 For whoever is not against us is for us. 41 And whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ, I tell you truly, he will by no means lose his reward. 42 But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who have faith, it would be better for him if a millstone that is turned by a donkey were put around his neck and he were pitched into the sea.

 

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3 hours ago, Melinda Mills said:

(Mark 9:38-42) 38 John said to him: “Teacher, we saw someone expelling demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he was not following us.” 39 But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one who will do a powerful work on the basis of my name who will quickly be able to say anything bad about me. 40 For whoever is not against us is for us. 41 And whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ, I tell you truly, he will by no means lose his reward. 42 But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who have faith, it would be better for him if a millstone that is turned by a donkey were put around his neck and he were pitched into the sea.

In the CONTEXT of what Dennis Gilman had said.... THIS was the Scripture I had in mind.

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