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Montana sees flurry of child sex abuse lawsuits as deadline approaches The one-year window Montana lawmakers opened to give child sex abuse survivors a chance to bring old claims is closing soon, and a flurry of lawsuits is hitting the courts. Adults who were abused as children have until May 6 to bring claims otherwise barred by the statute of limitations. The Montana Legislature created the window in 2019, prompted by news of a lawsuit against James “Doc” Jensen, a Miles City high school athletic trainer who abused dozens of boys while working with the district between the 1970s and 1990s. After May 6, various restrictions are reinstated on which claims can be brought. Factors include age of the victim, and whether the abuser is still alive. On Friday, two sisters sued in U.S. District Court in Billings, accusing the Jehovah’s Witness Church of failing to act after Bruce Mapley Sr. and Gunner Haines admitted to sexually abusing them in the 1970s. Mapley and Haines confessed to Martin Svensen, senior elder of the Hardin congregation, who investigated the allegations, “and was himself engaged in serious sexual abuse of children,” according to attorneys with the Missoula law firm Meyer, Shaffer & Stepans. The church temporarily relieved the men of their duties but reinstated them within a year, attorneys say. And while church elders told the congregation that the men had committed a wrongdoing, they gave no more information, the attorneys say, and the abuse continued. On Wednesday, three men filed individual lawsuits in state court in Great Falls, echoing a flurry of other plaintiffs around the country who say the Boy Scouts of America turned a blind eye when troop leaders abused them. Assistant Scoutmaster John McBride in Libby, Camp Director Gary Greff at the Grizzly Base Camp and K-M Scout Ranch, and leader Roger Maddox, of Great Falls are all named. One of those plaintiffs, 57-year-old Chris Ford, said the ability to make a claim now will help him heal. He didn’t talk about it for decades, after telling his parents when it happened. Ford hopes the lawsuit leads to more information about the scope of the cover-up. “I want to know just how prolific the abuse was,” Ford said. “You know, I just thought mine was an isolated case, and come to find out there are hundreds of thousands of potential victims.” Mike Pfau, a Seattle attorney representing Ford, told The Washington Post in February that there were likely tens of thousands of potential victims across the country. Also on Wednesday, Freedom Church Assembly of God was accused in a lawsuit filed in state court in Billings of allowing former pastor David Harvey to groom a 15-year-old in his church office, setting the stage for later sexual assaults that took place at Harvey’s home, according to the lawsuit. The boy’s mother reported the abuse to senior pastor Sam Benson, but the church did not follow up with any reports to law enforcement, child protection workers or other authorities, according to attorneys John Heenan and Joe Cook. Heenan, who also represented plaintiffs in the Jensen case, said he hopes anyone still considering bringing a lawsuit under the one-year window does, "so they can protect their rights." They have one week. The legislation to open the one-year window on old claims passed unanimously. https://helenair.com/news/state-and-regional/montana-sees-flurry-of-child-sex-abuse-lawsuits-as-deadline-approaches/article_bd24f56d-fe32-5268-b5d7-dc02fa8ce3d0.html?fbclid=IwAR0tlu1Kjtp84SpbqwDlTevxHT1GoJymph1_V2AzhTb2myiUQhAaBZjLPzY

I was thinking the same thing.

Hmm, that’s not how I remember the reason for my disfellowshipping at all. But, since you obviously don’t believe me, I can pm the names of the 4 elders who sat in on my judicial hearing (over the phone). I rejected an earthly organization as belonging to God. I supported the anointed priesthood/Body of Christ, with Jesus as my Master, and not a “wicked slave”. I exposed the organization’s falsehoods and hypocrisy. After all of that, the hair trigger with these men seemed to be my rejection of 1914. Nothing was said about an abnormal, voracious lust for power. In fact, they promised to welcome me back if I changed my mind on the matters above. If I was thirsting for authority and power to “teach”, I doubt that offer would have been on the table. Let me know if you would like those names. https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/jehovahs-genuine-mountain.html

The difference is that Jesus taught against the leadership of the day. He also said that those who followed in his footsteps would be persecuted by their own people. And through this persecution, and loss of everything for his sake, was the promise of eternal life. Not receiving "justice" for errors committed by an organization, that are later remedied posthumously, means nothing. Matt 19:29; Matt 5:10-12 "But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. 8 What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith." Phil 3:7-9 God is not an organization. (Isa 46:5-7) To say we adhere to Mark12:33; Luke 10:27, yet we put "steadfast" faith in an organization and the men who run it, is giving a false witness. (Phil 3:18,19; Matt 6:19,20)

Surely you can see that it is a bogus claim, to reinstate someone “posthumously” as if the elder body has the authority and power to bestow eternal “life or death” on an individual. Was God waiting for them to “fix” their error before all in the organization, as if it really matters once the person is dead? As @Srecko Sostar alluded to, the elders had to fix the problem; which in my opinion, was an effort to save face and status as...“loving shepherds”? 17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. 19 Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed. Eph 4:17,18 Every disfellowshipping of anyone who cannot tolerate falsehoods or reject the organization, and base their belief system totally on God and Jesus Christ, have been lyingly framed. They are then viewed as spiritually dead. The elders assume such authority at the insistence of false prophets. (Rev 13:11,12) Look at the pain and suffering that results by both parties, on both sides of that decree; a decree not written in the Bible, but is exposed in Revelation to occur in the last days. Rev 13:15; John 16:2; Rev 11:1-3,7

I should clarify that the “mountain” that we turn to, is not another earthly organization. (John 4:21,23,24 ) When Jesus told the Jews, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” It goes on to say, 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body.” John 2:20,21 As you know, the anointed Body is comprised of the anointed. (1 Cor 12:27) It is a “city”, a “mountain”, that houses God’s Spirit within each faithful “stone” sealed into it. (1 Cor 3:16) Heb 11:10 - For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 1 Cor 3:9; Eph 2:20-22 Any earthly organization, has men as its architect as we can see with the WT; which began as “wholly unnecessary”, according to Russell, then became necessary, according to Rutherford. Eventually, it was considered “spirit-directed”, and “mountainlike”. These proclamations were made gradually to buffer any obvious contradictions. (Rev 16:13-16) It has transformed into the only source of salvation for mankind, contradicting scripture. (Acts 4:12) These leaders each have a record of failed prophesy and outlandish teachings; yet are still highly esteemed by the “organization”. (1 Cor 10:21) It takes spiritual blindness, spiritual “drunkenness” to ignore their false teachings and continue to exalt their supposed leadership in what is called “Jehovah’s organization”. (2 Cor 4:4; 2 Tim 4:3; Jer 13:13; 51:7; Rev 14:8) (Matt 7:15,20;24,24,25; 2 Pet 2:1-3) However, the organization is like a dragnet, that has successfully captured the anointed “christs”, who threaten Satan’s kingship and domain. Many others have fallen into its trap, searching for “truth”. (Matt 2:7,8,16 ;Rev 12:1-4; 13:8) And God allows this “at the end of the age”. ( Matt 13:47-49; Eccl 9:12; 2 Thess 2:9-12) There is a time of “prophesy” in Rev 11:1-6, where Jesus comes to his “temple”, his anointed servants, who through the prompting of Holy Spirit, “prophesy” what his Spirit reveals. It is the time of opening Revelation’s scrolls; their meaning which Jesus shares with his servants. (Dan 8:23-26; Rev 1:1-3; 5:5) These servants are the wise virgins who “buy” their oil/“gold”/understanding from Jesus, vs. the “foolish virgins” who continue to buy their “oil”/spiritual food elsewhere - from the “wicked slave”. (Matt 25:6-10; Rev 3:18-20) There is one prophet today, an “Elijah”, that has been given understanding of Revelation and its Beasts. (Matt 17:11; Mal 4:5,6; John 14:26; Isa 40:3) Many anointed leave the organization and have theories, as we’ve seen even here. (1 Cor 11:18,19) This “Elijah” stresses the “restoration” of the temple/anointed returning to their Master; and reveals the identity of the “man of lawlessness”. (2 Thess 2:3,4) This person is a woman. She is no one special in the eyes of men, even among many of her brothers and sisters in Christ, she is despised. (1 Cor 1:27-29) There are no grandiose ideas of starting up an organization in Satan’s realm, but solely providing spiritual “food” that she stresses must be weighed by the reader as “good fruit” according to Christ’s admonishment. (Matt. 7:17-20) She is largely rejected for her teachings, as most prophets from God usually are, by their own people. (John 4:44) 2 In the last days the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. Isa 2:1-3 The WT would lead us to believe that the organization teaches God’s law fulfilled in Christ, which is utterly ridiculous, evident by the the lawsuits concerning child abuse, if nothing else. Jesus fulfilled the law covenant – Paul stated that this fulfillment is summed up in one word, love. Love does not promote suffering at the hands of “loving shepherds”, of any kind. (Rom 13:10) Why can’t JWs see the exorbitant amount of suffering stemming from its leadership? Evil leadership is powerful and threatening – an iron fist in a velvet glove. God’s laws are written on the anointed hearts, not in a manual that we see the elder body relying on. (Heb 8:10) There is no official man-made count of who from the “nations” are receiving spiritual understanding in the last days. We don’t have charge of who is written in the “book of life”, but only the Father and Jesus do. In the last days, they are the “eagles” who find the slain/killed “two witnesses” (slain by the organization). “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 [k]Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.” 37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?” So He said to them, “Wherever the (dead) body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.” Luke 17:31-37 The “dead body”: And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the [b]God of the earth. When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also [c]our Lord was crucified. Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. Rev 11:3-7,11 Who disfellowships or spiritually “kills” any anointed who questions the “wicked slave” and rejects the organization/Beast? (Matt 24:48-51) “Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. (false christs who deceive the “elect” Matt 24:24) “Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath (“spirit breathed”/”spirit-directed”) to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.” Rev 13:14,15 Pearl Doxsey's writings are widely read by many leaving the organization, the "apostate city". It is the time of the Marriage Feast of the Lamb when spiritual answers are provided through the Spirit of Christ. (Matt 22:8-10) "My people" of Rev. 18:4-8, are God's anointed, as well as their companions, who are to leave this "city" behind. It doesn't apply to Christendom, but to God's people under covenant. With all the examples we have of the early nation of Israel suffering for their sins and idolatry, it amazes me how JWs take for granted the righteousness of God today. Only by the His grace, who reads our hearts, are we able to wake up and see the well-hidden trap for what it is. (Ps 141:9; Jer 50:24)

You might have reason for argument, if it wasn’t for the fact that I’m not a JW who is part of a congregation. (Job 15:1-3)

I appreciate your candor. Similar accounts that you have described is happening to anointed throughout the world, not just in your neck of the woods. Yes, there are "good" elders with integrity, who pay attention to their conscience and either step down or leave the organization. I hope you will look at the “broad application” of things, which my following post explains. This was a comment I made here a few years back, but I can’t seem to find a lot of my old posts, so I dug it up elsewhere. I suppose there is a need to control and purge what I’m allowed to say here. Or, maybe all experience the same for the sake of the forum’s operations. Imagine a large room, where genuine anointed ones from the organization have gathered together. I say “genuine” because it is becoming a discreet trend for many to partake during the memorial, who are not anointed. In my mind, I see this as another attempt by Satan to seduce individuals into thinking that all are part of the anointed Body of Christ, under the New Covenant; and which is another step in concealing who the “holy ones” are. Imagine that these anointed ones in the room are robed in the holy garments that clearly identify them in like manner as the early holy priesthood, awaiting sanctification to serve in God’s Temple. (Exod 28:39-43; 39:22-31; 1 Cor 6:11; 2 Cor 7:1; Heb 8:5) From a door located on one side of this large room, another group arrives; men who are not wearing the holy priestly garb. They are not “circumcised” priests, but are “Gentiles” that have unofficially entered the courts of God’s Temple. Each man approaches and stands before an anointed priest, removes their holy garments, and dons the stolen robes, masking the true intentions of the heart. (Rom 2:28,29; 9:6; Heb 8:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Joel 2:1-2; Rev.9:3-10; Matt.24:21; Luke21:20,24; Rev.13:10,7) They tell the anointed ones to exit by the other door; which they do, with no questions asked. The result obliterates any “daily sacrifice” that only the authentic priests are able, and are obligated, to perform. With the new fraudulent priesthood come new “sacrifices of praise” that support - not God - but an idol…an organization. (1 Chron 23:30-32; 2 Chron 20:11,12; Ezek 8:6; 2 Cor 11:20; Matt 24:15; 1 Pet 2:5; Rom 12:1; Heb 13:15; Rev 2:20) These “uncircumcised” “Gentiles” have been given free access by powerful, rebellious traitors against Christ, to enter God’s Temple…and defile it. No longer does God hear the praises from his holy ones, and no longer can His “living stones” be called, Holy. God’s genuine priesthood has been “defrocked” and a false priesthood now demands their obedience. (Ezek 5:11; 1 Cor 3:17; Luke 16:3; Ezek 44:6-8; Rev 13:11,12,15; Ps 79:1) In reality, we do not see the anointed priesthood wearing holy garments. Within the Watchtower, we cannot distinguish how they are set apart for a special work under the New Covenant.( Mark 14:22-24) We may only notice them partaking of emblems at the memorial each year; but please, JWs, picture them as each one being part of God’s Temple as a “living”, Temple “stone”. (John 2:19-21;1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) Should these stones be replaced with those ‘carved’ by men? (Deut 27:5-8; 1 Kings 6:7; Matt 16:18) Because it takes spiritual discernment to see this, the Watchtower relies on their ability to cover over these spiritual insights of scripture; and by doing so, have successfully “defrocked” God’s priesthood, replacing them with “uncircumcised” “Gentiles” – the Body of Elders. (Ezek 44:23,24; Mal 2:7-9) The "sacrifices of praise" by this false priesthood do not ascend to God, since those have been abolished. They are praises supporting the Watchtower Idol - "Jehovah's organization". (Rev 13:4,7,8) Watchtower 02/8/1 “REPRESENTING the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not.” “Rather than CHALLENGE their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!” To enforce this blasphemous authorization of replacing God’s Temple priests, the article boldly states: “Jehovah’s spirit is upon them; they have his approval.” Is this true? God’s Word verifies that it has never been acceptable for his temple priesthood to be replaced. 2 Chron 23:6- “No one is to enter the temple of the Lord except the priests and Levites on duty; they may enter because they are consecrated, but all the others are to observe the Lord’s command not to enter.” 2 Chron 13:9 - "But didn’t you drive out the priests of the Lord, the sons of Aaron, and the Levites, and make priests of your own as the peoples of other lands do? Whoever comes to consecrate himself with a young bull and seven rams may become a priest of what are not gods." Matthew 24:15 – “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ (the “disgusting thing”) spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand)” How can we relate this scripture to the elder body having authority over the anointed priesthood in the organization? Rev 11:1,2, shows “Gentiles” overtaking the sanctuary/"holy place" of God, and robbing the anointed priesthood of their ‘holy garments’; thus desolating the sanctuary. Also, Daniel reveals the intentions of WT’s leaders to destroy God’s “sanctuary”: “He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. 12 Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered. “ Dan 8:11,12 The last powerful and “unusual” force of Daniel’s image expresses two contrasting elements – one of clay and one of iron, found together. The entirety of this image describes powers that have affected God’s people during their individual historic reigns, but notice: “The feet of the image shows that the reign over the anointed in the time of the end, is dual. Not only is the metallic element still there (as it was in the previous powers- All "Gentiles"-not God's people) (Gentiles-Iron); for the first time, the statue contains "clay" of the earth..."the offspring of MANKIND". (Dan.2:41,42,43) This clay represents those who belong to the "Potter" (Isa.29:16; 45:9; Jer.18:6; Rom.9:21), and they SHOULD be molded by Him alone. But instead, they mold themselves to the Iron (Gentiles) by conforming themselves to the iron, allowing the iron to mold them, rather than God. Unknowingly, these "clay" actually conform to Satan's will, becoming a part of Satan's dominion over God's people (Rev.9:1; 17:12). In a short time, that clay hardens to this form (as baked clay), and is no longer useful to its original owner. It is now suited only for destruction as an extension of Satan's "body". This has come to pass, in that the anointed today are DOMINATED within the Organization, not only by spiritual "Gentiles" alone; but by their own brothers who have joined in with the Gentiles to dominate their brothers in Christ....the wicked steward with "confirmed drunkards" from outside the master's household (Matt.24:45,48,49,50,51). When Christ, through the final capstone, "smashes" the feet of the image of Daniel (Dan.2:34,45; Heb.11:10; Eze.3:8,9; Isa.50:7; 45:17; 49:8; 54:4; Micah.1:2); it is not smashing all of Satan's world, but only the Image Satan has used to dominate God's people, which is NOT Satan's entire world-wide dominion. It is well known that the Image of Daniel does not contain all the political identities which have ever existed in Satan's world; But only ones which have dominated God's chosen people.” From “Iron and Clay” – 4womaninthewilderness blogspot Please, JWs, educate yourselves of the vital importance of this priesthood dominated by the fourth Beast of Daniel’s visions. Dan 7:7 Not only are the anointed ones affected by such a crushing duel power, but also are all who reside in the organization. We are to FLEE AWAY from this abomination and come to the true Mountain that will destroy the last power to afflict God’s people. Matt 24:16

You're becoming a pro at using ad hominem attacks, Arauna And again, you have it backwards. It was the leaders in Jesus' day who attacked his teachings, when he exposed their lies. I'm not the one lying here; David Splane your leader is. This man, one of eight, also uses ad hominem attacks against anyone - anointed or not - who questions the GB's teachings and their assumed authority as above and beyond the authority Jesus Christ has over his sheep. Mark 13:22 On the contrary, I believe they are two disciples of Jesus Christ. Would you call yourself a disciple of Christ, or of eight men whom you feel are innocent before God, no matter what they spew out of their mouth? Matt 12:34

“For you yourselves know very well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3 When they say, “Peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. ” 1 Thess 5:2,3 And I replied, “Oh no, Lord God! The prophets are telling them, ‘You won’t see sword or suffer famine. I will certainly give you lasting peace in this place.’” But the Lord said to me, “These prophets are prophesying a lie in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a false vision, worthless divination, the deceit of their own minds. Jer 14:13,14

There has been considerable criticism on the latest GB member’s second update about the pandemic. Some good observations have been made, but one thing I noticed was his deceptive use of scripture. Briefly, he gave assurance of the “love” and “prayers” that the GB has for all JWs enduring all issues of the pandemic. But, the bulk of his message was about the elder body’s concerted effort to learn new avenues providing online “spiritual food” for all. He stated that through his organization, “Jehovah provided the direction they needed”. (Isa 46:5-7; Rom 1:25; 1 Pet 1:18,19; Rev 13:4,8) I can’t see this as such an insurmountable problem that perhaps other organizations, religious or otherwise, were not able to deal with successfully during this time of the pandemic. For them, their collective ‘organization’ no doubt provided the direction they needed, without God’s help. These so-called “caring shepherds” are said to fulfill the prophesy in Jer 23:4. I’d like to compare his partial quote of that scripture with a few other translations. NWT – “I will raise up shepherds who will really(said with emphasis) shepherd them…None will be missing.” NIV – “I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing,” declares the Lord.” NKJV – “I will set up shepherds over them who will feed them; and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, nor shall they be lacking,” says the Lord.” So, what’s going on in Jeremiah 23 that would cause fear among the flock, the significant issue that the governing leader deftly ignored? What necessitated the need for caring shepherds who would, under such grave conditions, be rescued by God? If this one scripture is prophesy being fulfilled today, then it is important to read the entire scripture, as well as know the circumstances leading up to the verse he partially quoted. “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the Lord. 2 Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings,” says the Lord.” Jer 23:1,2 At that time period, God’s people had been led astray, into idolatry. (Jer 23:13) As a flock they were not only ignored by evil shepherds, but “driven away”, as exiles. “Both prophet and priest are godless; even in my temple I find their wickedness,” declares the Lord. Jer 23:11 Jer. 7:30 gives us insight on this wickedness: Jer 7:30 - ‘The people of Judah have done evil in my eyes, declares the LORD. They have set up their detestable idols in the house that bears my Name and have defiled it.” (Jer 25:29) (see Ezek 8:3-16 ) By reading more of the chapter, we find the adulterous prophets of Jerusalem ‘living a lie’. Their sins are so great, they are compared to Sodom and Gomorrah. (Jer 23:14; 2:8) Yes, if we were to read this entire chapter, we can easily tie its spiritual significance to the organization, but much differently than what the GB member described. · There is an army of evil shepherds (Rev 9:4,7-11; Joel 1:6-7; Rev 13:5-7) · An adulterous Harlot/false prophet (Matt 24:24; Rev 13:11,12; 17:5,15) · And lies and idolatry found where God’s Temple “living stones” reside. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) · (Rev 8:10,11; 13:13,14,15,18; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 9:20,21) These pseudo shepherd/elders aid the Harlot - Wormwood, by promoting her poisoned teachings. (Rev 13:16,17) Falsehoods have been declared and upheld by the organization throughout its history. This act of profanity has resulted in the scattered, silenced and removal of God’s true shepherds/priests, profaning the Temple of God; although God’s holy people are just as guilty of committing wickedness. (Jer 23:14) (Ezek 44:23; Zeph 3:4; 2 Cor 6:14-16; Rev 2:14-16) 15 “Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts concerning the prophets: ‘Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, And make them drink the water of gall; For from the prophets of Jerusalem Profaneness has gone out into all the land.’ ” Jer 23:15 If God’s people were faithful to Christ’s truths, would he “make” them drink wormwood? He “sends” or allows it to happen, since Satan demands to sift God’s people under covenant, or challenge their faith and integrity to truth. (Luke 22:31:Rev 12:17) “Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.” 1 Pet 5:8 “devour” - to drink down, i.e. gulp entire (literally or figuratively):—devour, drown, swallow (up). Just as Jesus proved his obedience to God under trial and suffering, so too must those who are to imitate Jesus, by walking in his footsteps on the path he took while on earth. (Matt 4:1; Heb 5:8,9; 4:1; Phil 2:8; John 17:19; Rom 8:16,17; 1 Pet 1:6; 4:13; 5:10; 1:7; Mal 3:1-3; Rev 3:19) God tells the people, “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord. 17 They keep saying to those who despise me, ‘The Lord says: You will have peace.’ And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts they say, ‘No harm will come to you.’ Jer. 16,17 God will always protect those who call out to Him for knowledge and truth; but to any who choose to continue drinking in Wormwood’s profanity and lies, to them it will be granted. (Ps 20:1; Prov 4:6; John 17:15; 1 Cor 10:13; 2 Thess 3:3) "I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they have prophesied. But if they had stood in my council, they would have proclaimed my words to my people and would have turned them from their evil ways and from their evil deeds." Jer 23:21,22 So, can Jer 23:4 be fulfilled by the industrious activities of a counterfeit “Gentile” priesthood that has been given complete authority over God’s authentic priesthood, “Israel”? (Ezek 44:6-9; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) No; rather, it is just the opposite. The fulfillment results from the wicked environment outlined in the chapter, that necessitates the need for God’s true shepherds to submit to Christ’s refinement and stand up for truth. The "good news" in the time of the end, is that God will provide the repentant remnant redemption, by means of Christ's blood, and their own required sacrifice for the sake of truth, in imitation of their model, Christ. The circumstances of the Great Tribulation requires defiance/warfare against the religious slavery that held them captive, and caused them to fall asleep (1 Cor 7:23; Gal 1:10; Col 3:24; 2 Cor 10:3-5; Rev 11:5; Jer 23:29; Rev 17:14). The wicked steward is presently lording it over the anointed household of God (Mark 10:42-45), and wielding the power of Gentiles in order to beat his fellows, just as the Harlot / "false prophet", wields her power, through the Gentile Beast (Rev 17:6,8; 11:7; 13:11,15,14; 19:20). Pearl Doxsey, from “Questions from the Beast” The GB member ended his talk with two supposedly reassuring points; the organization will continue to be guided by God, and it will happen under the care of “loving shepherds”. He then quotes John 10:11, stating Christ is overseeing the work of these false shepherds. Is he? Would he be supportive of those who “trample” God’s appointed “living stones” of His Temple built on Christ’s Body? (Mal 2:7; John 21:16; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 4:11-13) (Ezek 8:6,9; Num 16:3-7,10,11,18,20,21,35,40; Num 18:7; Matt 24:15,16; Dan 8:24,25; 11:31,32; Mark 13:14) The identity of the true shepherds of Jer 23:4, the faithful anointed of God, are described in the follow-up verse as a “Branch”: “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord, “That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; A King shall reign and prosper, And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. 6 In His days Judah will be saved, And Israel will dwell safely; Now this is His name by which He will be called: YHWH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS." Pearl described this Branch just recently: Isa.4:2 reads; "2 In that day the Branch of the Lord will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land will be the pride and glory of the survivors in Israel." Regarding that "branch", Jesus said that he was the vine and his Father was the cultivator (John15:1). [“I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser"] Jesus said that those who emerge from Jesus, are the branches (John15:4-5). [4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5 ‘I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."] The "fruit" they bear, is the sayings/teachings/testimony, from their mouth (Luke6:44-45). ["44 Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thorn-bushes, or grapes from briers. 45 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For *the mouth speaks what the heart is full of."*] We know that the heart is full of truth, when the Word of God has been planted in it and cultivated (Luke8:11,15) ["1 ‘This is the meaning of the parable: the seed is the word of God. 15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop."] That "crop" is the "fruit"/true teachings, that we have been talking about.The branches are united in spirit with Jesus, just as Jesus is united in spirit with the Father (John17:20; 1Cor.6:17). [21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me."] ["17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit."] Such a branch bears lasting fruit that glorifies the Father (John15:8,16). ["8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples."] ["16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit – fruit that will last – and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you."] “I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number. 4 I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing,” declares the Lord.” Jer 23:3,4 https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/ “Earth Swallows Satan’s River” “Baptism Series – Lesson Two /Section 1 – The Wilderness” "Abomination Causing Desolation"

I am hearing from other sources that this account is true. If it is definitely fact, apparently the rider on the "pale horse" (Rev 6:7,8) is not partial. Even Bethel - meaning "God's House" - appears to be on his delivery list. Has God removed His "protective spirit" or "shield" provided through the organization? Or, was it ever there to begin with? https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/07/sodom.html

When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. Rev 12:13,14 You seem to be proclaiming that perhaps a literal dragon will not reach the wilderness you have proposed. But if this dragon is Satan, he has full reign of the earth. No literal wilderness will be safe from him. Job 1:7; 1 John 5:19 5 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. Rev 12:15 So…is this river of water from the mouth of the serpent, to be taken literal just as your wilderness is literal? “But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.” Rev 12:16 Can you give the location where the literal earth swallows the literal dragon’s river spewed from his mouth? When you finally sense that this plan of yours is folly, what then? Prov 13:16 https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/earth-swallows-satans-river.html

Yes, your blind leaders gave that illustration of lions. Remember, it is the same leadership who for years believed God’s anointed were Joel’s locusts, but you still put your trust in them. You may want to search the scriptures to find for yourself just one instance where locusts, and especially a swarm of locust, have even one redeeming quality. Both the locusts in Joel and Revelation give emphasis on their ability to eat and destroy with their teeth. Joel 2:6 - A nation has invaded My land, a mighty army without number; it has the teeth of a lion, the fangs of a lioness. Rev 9:7-11 - The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer). “ Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings.” 1 Pet 5:8,9 “devour” - to drink down, i.e. gulp entire (literally or figuratively):—devour, drown, swallow (up). Who does Satan come against in Revelation? Jesus’ “kings” under the New Covenant promise/”woman”, who are not sealed. (Rev 1:5) See: Gal 4:24,26; Rev 9:4; 12:15; 16:13-17 Jesus, as the Lion of Judah does not destroy people, but only death. 1 Cor 15:26 He does not use deception, as if to capture a prey. Col 2:8; Rev 13:10 Rev 5:5 - "Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.” John 16:33 “These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” “overcome” – “conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory.” The victory over death by the sacrifice of his life. You leader’s comment regarding the mention of both Jesus and Satan described as lions to validate his argument that there can be a good locust army, and a wicked locust army, is futile. A locust swarm has only one characteristic, which is to eat and decimate land, and as the scriptures symbolically point out, it includes people, who refuse to repent from the works of their hands, as is the case in Joel. “Let the priests, who minister to the Lord, Weep between the porch and the altar; Let them say, “Spare Your people, O Lord, And do not give Your heritage to reproach, That the nations should rule over them. Why should they say among the peoples, ‘Where is their God?’ ” Joel 2:17 The locust “army” that rules over the nation of “Israel” today, and that wears “crowns” (Rev 9:7) is the nation of “Gentile” elders, who rule over the anointed ones/”Israel” – blaspheming the sanctuary of God by putting His anointed “in their place”, using lies about them to do so. Rev 13:5-8 The organization/idol is far more important to all JWs, than God’s Temple/House of “living stones” in the anointed priesthood. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22 “So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?” Rev 13:4 But, Arauna, we’ve been down this road before, haven’t we. And even though you have seen that your leaders preach a “truth” that never was a truth, you continue to support them, and the rotten fruit they teach. Matt 7:15-20 Their failed teachings never brought one iota of quality spiritual "life" to the poor JW who swallowed them down.

I have to agree with one thing; the idea of it, is nauseating. I choose "tacky" and will pair it with "crafty", as in "crafty promoters of religion" Replace "Christendom" with... This inability to attract people by the message preached prompts the thought that there must be something wrong with the religious fodder dished out from the pulpit to Christendom’s pew-sitters. If they are being served sound spiritual food, why should there be any lack of attraction, an apathetic flock? Could it be that there is a spiritual famine in the land called Christendom? But from the name Christendom assumes, one may imagine that it has an abundance of spiritual food. Yet when the clergy open their religious larders, the only abundance that presents itself is that of book reviews, tricks of magic, jazz bands, bingo games, lotteries, masquerade parties, coffee-and-doughnut socials, gas-filled balloons, and the buffoonery of circus clowns. So one may rightly ask, Has the spiritual famine foretold by God’s prophet blighted Christendom?—“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord Jehovah, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of Jehovah.”—Amos 8:11, AS. w53 11/1 pp. 649-652 The article ends by saying, The message they bring (JWs) needs no crafty promotion, no help from devils, no enticements. For Jehovah’s witnesses “are not those who commercialize or make gain [adulterators] of the word of God as many men are.” (2 Cor. 2:17, footnote, NW) My, how times have changed.

Ezekiel 13:17-23

How ironic. The picture Anna posted shows Jesus, the "living Stone" with some of the foundation stones of the spiritual Temple. The "living stones" in the organization would be counseled for bonding together, if they gathered as these apostles did to remember this supper. "As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." 1 Pet 2:4,5 I couldn't agree with you more - the organization's 'invention' is not at all as Jesus intended it to be. In addition, if a group of those not anointed gather for this supper, how does passing plates between one another signify anything? It doesn't. Jesus could have invited everyone to his meal, but he chose whom he wanted, to lay the foundation of God's Temple built on his Body. 1 Cor 3:11; Eph 2:19-22 But, preventing the anointed priesthood of God from enjoying an intimate bond with each other during the memorial meal, is another "invented ritual" that is right in line with lawlessness - a trampling down of a people - the Temple members and spiritual dwelling of God. 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3 And the anointed play along, forgetting that their obedience is only to Christ and not to men. Daughter Zion is left like a shelter in a vineyard, like a hut in a cucumber field, like a city under siege. 9 Unless the Lord Almighty had left us some survivors, we would have become like Sodom, we would have been like Gomorrah. 10 Hear the word of the Lord, you rulers of Sodom; listen to the instruction of our God, you people of Gomorrah! 12 When you come to appear before me, who has asked this of you, this trampling of my courts? 13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations— I cannot bear your worthless assemblies. 14 Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them. 15 When you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you; even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening. Isaiah 1 https://pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com/

Moses – a prophet appointed as spokesperson for God. “Then the Lord said to him, ‘Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground. 34 I have indeed seen the oppression of my people in Egypt. I have heard their groaning and have come down to set them free. Now come, I will send you back to Egypt.’35 “This is the same Moses they had rejected with the words, ‘Who made you ruler and judge?’ He was sent to be their ruler and deliverer by God himself, through the angel who appeared to him in the bush. 36 He led them out of Egypt and performed wonders and signs in Egypt, at the Red Sea and for forty years in the wilderness.” Acts 7:36,37 The Pharisees – They were not prophets but sat in Moses’ seat, yet were condemned by Jesus because of their lies, their burdens put on the people, and their additional laws and decrees not sanctioned by God. Jesus Christ – a prophet, the King of righteousness, the Son of God. 37 “This is the Moses who told the Israelites, ‘God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your own people.’ 38 He was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living words to pass on to us.” Acts 7:37,38 Where does the Governing Body fit in? Are they “like” Moses? Or, would that be Jesus Christ? The GB fit in in as the modern-day Pharisees, who add to the scriptures with their additional laws and decrees, their false teachings and burdens put upon the people. You not only seem to make light of the role of Moses as an aggravating personality, but you have put GB in the seat of Moses, when God has already given us Jesus Christ – “a prophet” like Moses. A follower of Jesus would not tolerate any lies that may be called "truth", from any leader. Matt 7:15-20; 2 Thess 2:9-12 How did the GB decide they were the “faithful and discreet slave”/house “steward”? Were they appointed by Jesus Christ? “However, further careful study and prayerful meditation indicate that our understanding of Jesus’ words about the faithful and discreet slave needs to be clarified.” W 13/7/15 pp 20-25 “clarified”…which was added to the long list of “Beliefs Clarified”; all requiring careful study and prayerful meditation. How many flip-flops of just one doctrine on that list required changing over the years, but during its heyday was called "truth"? How many people were held reliable to upholding a facade called "truth"? These men are not prophets, and not inspired. Yet, this “careful study and prayerful meditation” somehow led to a most definite appointment by Jesus Christ without any involvement of inspiration; which Moses most definitely received from God during his entire assignment. “Now, fellow Israelites, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders. 18 But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer. 19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20 and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21 Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22 For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. 23 Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.’ Acts 3:17-23

3 But you have forgotten the Lord, your Maker, who stretched out the heavens and laid the foundations of the earth. You are in constant dread all day long because of the fury of the oppressor, who has set himself to destroy. But where is the fury of the oppressor? 14 The prisoner is soon to be set free; he will not die and go to the Pit, and his food will not be lacking." Isa 51:13,14 "Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elemental forces of the world, and not based on Christ." Col 2:8 "And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea. He had 10 horns and seven heads. On his horns were 10 diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names." "A mouth was given to him to speak boasts and blasphemies. He was also given authority to act for 42 months. He began to speak blasphemies against God: to blaspheme His name and His dwelling—those who dwell in heaven. And he was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. He was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation." If anyone has an ear, he should listen: If anyone is destined for captivity, into captivity he goes. If anyone is to be killed with a sword, with a sword he will be killed." Rev 13:1,5,7,9,10

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2020/An-Attack-Coming-From-the-North/ Joel 2:19,20 - Then the Lord will be zealous for His land, And pity His people. The Lord will answer and say to His people, “Behold, I will send you grain and new wine and oil, And you will be satisfied by them; I will no longer make you a reproach among the nations. 20 “But I will remove far from you the northern army, And will drive him away into a barren and desolate land, With his face toward the eastern sea ("presence") And his back toward the western sea; ("end, conclusion") His stench will come up, And his foul odor will rise, Because he has done monstrous things.”

"Lackey" is a rather rude term for someone who has a different belief than your own, don't you think? Keep in mind, if there is anyone who may agree with me in anything, I don't write their name down, or keep a file on them, remember their "sins", admonish them NOT to "make sure of all things" (1 Thess 5:19-22), or to beg for donations to support my work. Approximately 8 million or less (should I call them "lackeys"?) do just that for your GB and their idol. Rev 13:1,2, 5-11, 15-18

It has everything to do with the GB, false witnesses. (Rev 13:11) They are not Christ, but they give the elder body the authority to judge another's spirituality. John 16:2; Rev 13:15

“Evidently” it was an organizational decision, and it seemed “reasonable to conclude” that “slave” only applies to those with authoritative power already set in place. Whomever they choose, or vote in, become a "slave".

Jesus is the Word. John 1:1 “For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” Heb 4:12 “He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.” Rev 1:16 “Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.” Rev 2:16 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” Matt 4:17 Then He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent Matt 11:20 The words of Jesus hold the promise of life, (John 14:6) BUT they create a catalyst used by others with wicked intentions to cause harm, which was experienced by his early followers who were the recipients of torture and alienation by the Jews and the Romans. Matt 10:36 - and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 22 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.” Matt 10:21,22 Micah 7:5,6 – “Do not trust in a friend; Do not put your confidence in a companion; Guard the doors of your mouth From her who lies in your bosom. 6 For son dishonors father, Daughter rises against her mother, Daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; A man’s enemies are the men of his own household.” When Stephen spoke the words of God and upheld the teachings of Jesus Christ, he was accused of apostasy and was killed. He is just one example of what the early Christians experienced at the hands of wicked leaders. If you were to cut off your arm, you have severed it – alienated it – from the rest of your body. This is exactly what the organization has done by judging both anointed and all who turn to the Father and Jesus Christ, when rejecting the existence of the organization and its falsehoods. “I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! Luke 12:49 Did Jesus set a literal fire to harm people? “Is not My word like a fire?” says the Lord, “And like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces? Jer 23:29 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am till it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. 52 For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. 53 Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.” Luke 12:49-53 Division - διαμερισμός diamerismós, dee-am-er-is-mos'; from G1266; disunion (of opinion and conduct):—division. I.G1266 – Usage: - to cleave asunder, cut in pieces II.to be divided into opposing parts, to be at variance, in dissension There’s your word, “variance”, associated with “cleave asunder/cut in pieces”, which alienates the part from the whole…an individual from the family...and truth from lies. “I have told you this to keep you from falling away. 2 You’ll be thrown out of the synagogues. Yes, a time is coming when the one who kills you will think he’s serving God. 3 They’ll do this because they haven’t known the Father or me.” John 16:1-3 Usage: excluded from sacred assemblies of Israelites, excommunicated… Which equals to “disfellowshipped” – a spiritual “killing”. Rev 13:15 It is most definitely a division between good and evil. Jesus does no harm; it is God’s Word that judges and alienates the righteous from the unrighteous, and is the basis of Armageddon, fought in the valley of “decision”. Joel 3:14; Rev 16:13-16 However, I find your thought concerning Jesus causing harm to families, somewhat hypocritical, Allen. You agree that this isn't case here, yet you fully believe Jesus is the Destroyer instead of Satan, who will apparently kill millions of unbelievers in your Armageddon. Surely, you can see now, that it is not Jesus who would cause harm to anyone. (Isa 33:1; John 10:9,10)

No, it’s a component of Matt 10:35 NKJV: “For I have come to ‘set[j] a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’” [j] “alienate” dee-khad'-zo; from a derivative of G1364; to make apart, i.e. sunder (figuratively, alienate):—set at variance. Usage: to cut into two parts, cleave asunder, sever