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  1. Well, I have no doubt....I am fully convinced...that they fulfill prophesy...as the wicked slave. Jesus never told us that there was only one possibility, that being only a "faithful slave" as the GB suggests; if so, why would he have mentioned a wicked one.
  2. From a "human standpoint", which is what I imagine you are referring to, would you say that the GB member, David Splane had a "sound mind" when concocting the latest chart of "this generation"? Does it appear that A. Morris had a "sound mind" when visiting the liquor store? Or, when he spoke of people like charred hot dogs, in reference to the upcoming carnage at Armageddon? Did Stephen Lett have a sound mind when he stated that it was all apostate lies that the organization had a child abuse problem? Or, that there was "more money going out than coming in" which was followed with great plans to build media centers? Did S. Herd have a sound mind when comparing the size of a woman's brain to that of a man as so much smaller, and how that limits her abilities? Just some reminders.
  3. Malenfant: “We don’t need to know the names of all of the anointed on earth today.” “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.” The Greek word here interpreted as “know”: ἐπιγινώσκω epiginṓskō, ep-ig-in-oce'-ko; from G1909 and G1097; to know upon some mark, i.e. recognize; by implication, to become fully acquainted with, to acknowledge:—(ac-, have, take)know(-ledge, well), perceive. It is imperative for each of us to “know”, during our lifetime, who the anointed are, and what these “trees” teach. We are to recognize their fruits as either good or bad – good from Jesus Christ; bad from the Father of the lie. (John 8:44; Luke 6:45) Thus, we come to “know” that anointed one, and what he or she teaches. ( Mal 2:7) “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. 41 Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward.” Matt 10:40-42 We cannot “welcome” any anointed disciple of Christ, if we are told to avoid them as an anointed teacher of Christ. This includes knowing their name and the fruit they are to produce. When I was a JW, I thought that by providing, as an example, a place for an anointed one and his family to live in, was giving them a “cup of cold water”. Jesus is the source of “living water”. (John 7:38) Those who remain “in Christ” will have that same “living water” flowing from their heart. In turn, anyone who “receives” these teachers producing “good fruit”, give back that living water that flows from their own heart as well, from their recognition of teachings produced in harmony with Christ’s truths. The fruit they produce, signifies their “daily/regular sacrifices”/”constant feature” offered before God. 1 Pet 2:5; Heb 13:15; Rom 12:1; Rev 7:15 With smooth, seemingly “righteous” words, Malenfant aids in the “trampling” of the anointed priests/Temple “stones” in the organization. His words support the termination of each anointed one's sacrifices to be made before God. Ezek 44:6-9; 2 Chron 13:9; Dan 12:11; 2 Thess 2:4 "His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the regular sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation.” Dan 11:31
  4. I feel that the majority of the "anointed" leaders of the organization from the beginning, were genuinely anointed to fulfill prophesy. (Matt 5:14; 2 Pet 3:17; Rev 8:10,11; Matt 24:24) Yet, I am not thoroughly convinced that all of today's GB members are. When Malenfant said the above, how can one be totally convinced that each GB member is anointed when (someone correct me if I'm wrong) there is no account of any of their anointing experiences? And why shouldn't there be? We have an incredible account in the Bible that all in the area witnessed its effect. (Acts 2:1-3) JWs are said to be honest in all things. To say, "we are convinced" with no comment made by these men of their anointing experience is deceptive. JWs are to take their word for it, but ignore any "word" from a genuine anointed in the organization. The persuasive argument that Malenfant made is a war of words against the genuine anointed. (Rev 13:7) In this case, it is one-sided unless a true anointed of God stands up and exposes truth outlined in scripture. I so wish more would do so. "Go now, write it on a tablet for them, inscribe it on a scroll, that for the days to come it may be an everlasting witness. 9 For these are rebellious people, deceitful children, children unwilling to listen to the Lord’s instruction. 10 They say to the seers, “See no more visions!” and to the prophets, “Give us no more visions of what is right! Tell us pleasant things, prophesy illusions. 11 Leave this way, get off this path, and stop confronting us with the Holy One of Israel!” 12 Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says: “Because you have rejected this message, relied on oppression and depended on deceit, 13 this sin will become for you like a high wall, cracked and bulging, that collapses suddenly, in an instant. 15 This is what the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One of Israel, says: “In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength, but you would have none of it. 18 Yet the Lord longs to be gracious to you; therefore he will rise up to show you compassion. For the Lord is a God of justice. Blessed are all who wait for him! 19 People of Zion, who live in Jerusalem, you will weep no more. How gracious he will be when you cry for help! As soon as he hears, he will answer you. 20 Although the Lord gives you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, your teachers will be hidden no more; with your own eyes you will see them. 21 Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it.” 22 Then you will desecrate your idols overlaid with silver and your images covered with gold; you will throw them away like a menstrual cloth and say to them, “Away with you!” (Isa 30) Every priest under Christ, is to be a "teacher" of God's word, obedient to the teachings of Christ and not to those of men. “For the lips of a priest (1 Pet 2:5,9) ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the Lord Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth." Mal 2:7 JWs are not allowed to do this, and the anointed are not allowed to act as priests as outlined in scripture.
  5. Thank you, Srecko. I heard this too and really can't get his blasphemy out of my mind. (Rev 13:5) So, it would be “pointless” to find out just who are Christ’s “ambassadors”, (2 Cor 5:20) since the only names one needs to know (according to Malenfant) are those of the GB. And, since it is a “very private matter”, what JW would dare talk to one of these other ambassadors? Rejecting the ambassadors/members of Christ’s body, is a rejection of Christ. This is an absolutely stunning statement by Malenfant. No other members of the Body, are apparently needed. But, it’s been this way for a long while, since a “wicked slave” and its spiritually “drunk” elder body have worked together to beat down the Body of Christ, while exalting the body of elders. Everyone, in every congregation knows exactly who the elders are. Matt 24:48-51 The anointed are allowing the GB/elders to cut them off from their Head, Jesus Christ. Their Master, their Head, has become the GB, who defies scripture concerning the anointed Body of Christ. “They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.” Col 2:19 “For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.” Rom 12:4,5 “Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.” “so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. “ 1 Cor 12:7,25 “He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.” Dan 8:25
  6. It is an illogical thought to think I prefer to be part of the "man of lawlessness" that "sits" in the Temple of God. TEMPLE: 1 Pet 2:5 - "you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." SPIRITUAL HOUSE: Eph 2:20-22: having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit." DWELLING PLACE: 1 Cor 3:16,17 - "Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are." WHO DEFILES THE TEMPLE? 2 Thess 2:3,4 - "Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God." Mark 13:14 - “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." WHO STANDS IN THE TEMPLE? Rev 11:1,2 - "I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. " "Gentile" elders judge anointed "Israel", the Temple "living stones" of God. It is written down in the WT that their rulership cannot be "challenged". I hope every elder who loves righteousness, will leave the organization.
  7. Endure spiritual immorality? Righteous Lot endured Sodom’s pervasive sexual immorality, until he was led out by the angels of God. There is another ‘leading out’ by God’s servants from pervasive spiritual immorality. The “two” (meaning “truth”, not the literal number) “witnesses”, servants of God, give testimony to Christ and reject the “mark” of the organization, for which they are spiritually “killed” by the Beast/organization under the guidance of a false prophet. Rev 11:7-10 This is disfellowshipping. Their “dead bodies” lie in the street of the “great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.” Rev 17:8 God has called His nation “Sodom” in the past. “Also I have seen a horrible thing in the prophets of Jerusalem: They commit adultery and walk in lies; They also strengthen the hands of evildoers, So that no one turns back from his wickedness. All of them are like Sodom to Me, And her inhabitants like Gomorrah.” Jer 23:14 All of them were considered “like Sodom”. Enduring false teachings is actually “strengthening the hands of evildoers”. Perhaps in one’s mind, he or she may believe they are not supporting the GB, since they are aware of their hypocrisy. Yet, remaining with them shows a “lukewarm” attitude toward tolerating a false prophet. (Rev 3:16) These “two witnesses”, two servants of Christ, reveal the “man of lawlessness” which “stands” where it doesn’t belong – in the Temple of God. Mark 13:14; Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3 (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) The elders “stand” in for, the authentic priesthood. They “sit” exalted over the Temple priests. (2 Chron 23:6,7; Num 18:7) They have the authority given to them by the GB to judge Christ priests under him. (Rev 13:15) Since thereis no inspiration in the GB, there is no inspiration in the elders either. This is a system contrived by men, not by God. “Another spirit” is the driving power behind its existence. (2 Cor 11:4; Rev 13:2,11) Why would God reject His own priesthood under Christ and approve of man’s choice? He never has in the past, and it did not go well with those who attempted to replace his chosen priests. (Num 16:3-7,10,11,18,20,21,35,40) The call, just as in Lot’s day, is to “come out of her, my people” so we do not “share” in the Harlot’s sins and receive the same plagues she will suffer from. (Rev 18:4) This scripiture doesn’t apply to Christendom. Many receive their anointing while a member of the organization. This is Satan’s sifting tool, his source of accusations against those in Christ – God’s “people”. (Luke 22:31; Eph 6:12) Will they remain and endure false teachings, or will they “endure” suffering from their own people, by siding with Christ and his truth? (Matt 10:34-39) No one, should endure the teachings of “blind guides”, yet, the majority of JWs highly protect their modern day “Pharisees” by making excuses for them; who in turn, protect their cohort false teachers since the beginning of their organization. Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?” 13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.” Matt 15:12-14 Also, for one reason or another, many JWs also cherish their “god of fortress”/organization more than they may readily admit to. Dan 11:38 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. Luke 17:26-30 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. 7 In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ 8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her. Rev 18:4-8
  8. As mere humans, it appears that way. Even so, insurrection is caused not only by disagreement with the way a rulership is run, but also the lust to obtain power over the existing authority. This has happened frequently in the world’s politics. The GB’s admittance that they are not “inspired”, obviously leaves them spiritually defenseless to a huge army of elders, with the addition of selected anointed, "ten kings", who expose “her” sins. “God will put it into their hearts” to take the GB down. Rev 17:17 If God's spirit was involved in exposing sins of Israel in the past, why would He refuse to do so now? “And when you are plundered, What will you do? Though you clothe yourself with crimson, Though you adorn yourself with ornaments of gold, Though you enlarge your eyes with paint, In vain you will make yourself fair; Your lovers will despise you; They will seek your life.” Jer 4:30 “These dogs have fierce appetites; they never have enough. And they are shepherds who have no discernment; all of them turn to their own way, every last one for his own profit.” Isa 56:11 "They will treat you with hatred, take all you have worked for, and leave you stark naked, so that the shame of your debauchery will be exposed, both your depravity and promiscuity. 30 "These things will be done to you because you acted like a prostitute with the nations, defiling yourself with their idols”. Ezek 23:29,30 “This is your lot, The portion of your measures from Me,” says the Lord, “Because you have forgotten Me And trusted in falsehood. 26 Therefore I will uncover your skirts over your face, That your shame may appear.” Jer 13:25,26
  9. The definition was from Strong's concordance of the Bible It is "lawlessness" to replace God's anointed priesthood with elders not anointed. (2 Thess 2:3,4) It is a "disgusting thing" "standing where it does not belong" (Mark 13:14), in the "Temple" of God. (1 Cor 3:16,17) (Rev 11:1,2) God's "chosen" people ARE the priesthood. Isa 43:10 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me." 1 Pet 2:9 "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy." Again, God's true "witnesses" comprise the priesthood, which has been replaced and pushed into a discreet corner. They must be silenced. Satan's goal is to destroy them, and he uses false prophets to "seduce" them into believing they have obtained "peace and security" within the idol/organization. (1 Thess 5:3) He seduces them with a flood of lies. (Rev 12:25) (Rev 16:13,14) It is amazing that my comment on falsehoods spoken by WT's leaders was not even addressed. Jezebel killed God' prophets. Today, the anointed and anyone who desires to leave falsehoods are spiritually "killed". (Rev 13:15) Revelation's "Jezebel" misleads God's chosen slaves. Rev 2:20 If they are in the Watchtower, they will not be misled by any nation or ruler in the world.
  10. Will the GB be fired? “Jezebel”: Ἰεζαβήλ Iezabḗl, ee-ed-zab-ale'; of Hebrew origin (H348); Jezabel (i.e. Jezebel), a Tyrian woman (used as a synonym of a termagant or false teacher):—Jezabel. The GB uphold past leaders who misled thousands with false teachings. They speak highly of Russel and of Rutherford. What sort of person “in Christ” would condone such behavior? Would God? No. Would the Holy Spirit? No. Would Christ? No. So, why is it that millions of people allow the GB to get away with it? They are “seduced”. God’s anointed are seduced by false teachers in the last days. (Matt 24:24) Think about it. If you grasp on to a teaching and are told it is “the truth”, then proceed to carry it to others only to find out a few years later that it was a falsehood, you were seduced…by false teachers. And, you were attempting to seduce others with the same falsehood. Falsehoods permeate the organization. How can any JW not admit this? Because, these lies are not called falsehoods by its leaders (yet they will point out falsehoods in Christendom). They are called “adjustments”, and “beliefs clarified”. Where in His word, does it say that God calls a lie, an “adjustment”, and that its okay to dismiss it and continue listening to more falsehoods? Jer 23:16 points out that "visions of their own heart" make the hearer "worthless". Every failed date is a false "vision". Is this what good spiritual food is all about? JWs have been spiritually seduced by a Jezebel/Harlot. It’s called spiritual drunkenness. (1 Thess 5:7; Rev 17:1,2) If they were “awake”, they would see that a lie is a lie…always. JWs are taught not to lie, yet their leaders can lie, and they are excused for it. This is insanity, and cognitive dissonance. Is it ethical to dismiss the severity of lies spoken in the name of God? Is it spiritually moral, or immoral? A spiritually immoral person is a “harlot”, a “Jezebel”. At one time God called His nation a Harlot. (the book of Hosea) Do JWs think their leaders are immune to God's judgments who also tell falsehoods just as easily as God's people did in the past? They told lies and practiced idolatry. Satan is busier than ever before to deceive "the elect". It is only through demonic deceit that one can believe they live in truth, yet speak a lie. But I have this against you: You tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and teaches and deceives my servants to commit sexual immorality and to eat meat sacrificed to idols. 21 I gave her time to repent, but she does not want to repent of her sexual immorality. 22 Look, I will throw her into a sickbed and those who commit adultery with her into great affliction. Unless they repent of her works, 23 I will strike her children with a plague. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who examines minds and hearts, and I will give to each of you according to your works. Rev 2:20-23 Do you see this? The “works”, (especially of the anointed “Israel”), of those who represent an organization that still supports false prophets and falsehoods spoken by false teachers today, are being examined by Christ. Does this mean anything to any JW? Rev 3:15-18; Rev 11:1,2 The organization is an idol. Rev 13:1,2 As long as JWs support it and the leaders who expect due admiration to “Jehovah’s organization”, they are idolaters. Rev 13:4 Some JW mentioned recently that it “isn’t the organization” but the recognition of the “slave” God has appointed to lead His people that is of vital spiritual importance. What does the GB teach, but “organization” and its necessity for one’s salvation? They are inseparable. Rev 13:11-14 Would a “faithful slave” of God teach truth on the one hand and uphold an organization rife with falsehoods on the other? How is this faithful to TRUTH? He feeds on ashes. His deceived mind has led him astray, and he cannot rescue himself, or say, “Isn’t there a lie in my right hand?” Isa 44:20 The Beast with two horns from the Earth is not symbolic for two political rulers of the world that WT teaches. I didn’t realize until recently, that they didn’t equate this false prophet as the same entity as the Harlot of Rev 17:1,2 They are the same identity. This harlot rides the Beast of Rev 13:1, the very same Beast that the false prophet of Rev 13:11 directs. She’s in charge of the Beast/organization. The GB is in charge of the “spirit’breathed”/spirit-directed organization. Rev 13:15 Rev 13:11 – "Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.“ A lamb - a young sheep. We can use the scriptures to understand that this is a false prophet, not two political rulers: “Be on your guard against false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.” Matt 7:15 They come from the anointed congregation of Christ: “I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Men will rise up even from your own number and distort the truth to lure the disciples into following them. “ “For if a person comes and preaches another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or you receive a different spirit, which you had not received, or a different gospel, which you had not accepted, you put up with it splendidly!” 2 Cor 11:4 Did the apostles preach “organization”? Or, did they preach truth in Christ? Did they tell lies and later call them “adjustments”? They were “faithful slaves” overseeing food distribution of God’s household. Did they label themselves that? Or, did their works and words of truth prove they were faithful? Matt 24:45-51 In Rev 13:11, “horn” represents kings (Rev 17:12) – not those found in politics, but they are Christ’s kings. (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10) He is the “king of kings” – of his anointed kings. Rev 17:14 Kings in Satan’s world are not on par with Christ’s kings. They have no play in Armageddon, a decisive battle of truth against lies. Joel 3:14 Those “kings” among the anointed “from your own number”, draw away other anointed through spiritual seduction – demonic expressions. Rev 16:13-16 The Beast from the Earth represents a succession of false teachers/”Jezebel “of Revelation 2 that mislead the children of “Israel”. (Rev 2:14) These “two horns” – two kings – appear to represent “truth”. “Even in your law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true.” John 8:17 Gerrit Loesch stressed, “do you trust me? I hope you do”. Apparently, you must trust him, because God and Jesus do. I wonder how he knows this, if he isn’t inspired. But, JWs trust him, nonetheless. Rev 8:10,11 Is it necessary for a “faithful slave” of Christ to ask such a question? Jesus said we would “know them by their fruits” – their teachings; and his teachings condone the teachings of false prophets. Matt 7:15-20 So, what eventually happens to this harlot? Well, what happened to “Queen” Jezebel? ”When Jehu”…(the tenth King of the northern tribe of Israel)… …came to Jezreel, Jezebel heard about it, so she painted her eyes, fixed her hair, and looked down from the window. 31 As Jehu entered the city gate, she said, “Do you come in peace, Zimri, killer of your master?” 32 He looked up toward the window and said, “Who is on my side? Who?” Two or three eunuchs looked down at him, 33 and he said, “Throw her down!” So they threw her down, and some of her blood splattered on the wall and on the horses, and Jehu rode over her.” God used eunuchs servants of the king to kill Jezebel. The harlot false prophet of Rev 13:11 is spiritually “killed” by “ten kings” not sealed by God as His faithful kings. They, along with the Beast organization will “eat her flesh and burn her with fire”. The GB will be dismissed, disfellowshipped, hidden away; however it happens, the organization will take on a new combined leadership of anointed and elders not anointed. “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.” Rev 17:12,13, 15-18 The religions of the world do not target the “saints”/anointed because they don’t know who they are. Only those in the Watchtower are aware of their existence. Judging them as spiritually “dead” for rejecting false christs is, in Revelation, the shedding of spiritual “blood”. Rev 17:3-6 Rev 18:4-8 tells God’s people, “Israel” to leave, to get out; otherwise, they share in the sins of the Harlot. Each heart and mind is examined for what we love. 2 Thess 2:9-12 How does anyone stand before Christ in confidence, when he asks why we supported false prophets and the lie that an organization built in the adversary’s domain, can lead one to truth? https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/06/jezebel.html
  11. The whereabouts of the ark of the covenant has been a source of fascination and intrigue for centuries. It is thought that during King Manasseh’s reign, the ark was removed from the temple, either by the priesthood or by Manasseh himself, to make way for his idols. (2 Chron 33:7,9; 2 Kings 21:4) From there, it is said to have been moved to Ethiopia, and to this day is kept under guard by a succession of monks at a Catholic church. Yet, King Josiah who reigned after Manasseh, referred to the ark no longer being a burden on the shoulders of the priests. (2 Chron 35:3) Some speculate that this meant Josiah may have become aware of a future Babylonian siege. He then hid it in an alcove built by Solomon located under the temple mount; or he transported it to a cave near the Dead sea. In the latter half of the 20th century, one man claimed to have found the ark sequestered within the tunnels under Jerusalem, hidden there by Jeremiah during the Babylonian siege. This man chose an alternate hill as the location of Jesus’ death on a tree (Acts 10:39), where he states that the shed blood of Christ seeped through a rock crevice, eventually pooling on the “mercy seat” of the chest buried underneath the mount (“Day of Atonement” Lev 16:11,14). He claimed to receive a vision where he was told to ensure his find remain locked away until the “man of lawlessness” would be revealed in the last days. There are many speculations where the ark disappeared to, and the possibility of counterfeits built down through history; but the chest’s significance today is only that of a historic and archaeological treasure, since it is no longer God’s “throne”, or the symbol of the divine presence of God, which was called the “shekina”. The ark of the covenant, or ark of the “testimony”, was built by Moses according to the heavenly “pattern” shown to him on the mountain. (Ex. 25:10-22; Heb 8:5) Inside and out, the acacia box was wrapped in pure gold. On the cover, two cherubim faced each other with wings touching above the ark. “You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the Testimony that I will give you. 22 And there I will meet with you, and I will speak with you from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are on the ark of the Testimony, about everything which I will give you in commandment to the children of Israel.” Exod 25:21,22 There are many miraculous events associated with the ark. When Joshua’s priests stepped into the waters of the Jordan river, it parted, allowing the nation of Israel to cross into the Promised Land. At the battle of Jericho, God’s spiritual presence was with his faithful people, as the ark was carried on the shoulders of the priests. The walls of Jericho were brought down on the seventh day of marching around the city, when the priests blew their trumpets in unison. (Josh 3:14-17; 6:2-5) God’s word also shows evidence of allowing the enemy to overtake Israel, even though the ark may have been present during battle. When young Samuel was under the care of Eli the high priest of Shiloh, God told Eli that his descendants would not thrive because of his weak attitude toward the wicked behavior of his two sons, who were also priests. His unfaithfulness toward God’s decrees brought disgrace on him, as well as the nation of Israel. (1 Sam 2:29-31) His corrupt priestly sons are described as idolaters and fornicators who “did not know the Lord”. (1 Sam 2:12) The account of their sacrifices offered for the people, shows an abhorrent lack of righteousness practiced before God. (1 Sam 2:17) After an initial defeat by the Philistines, Eli’s son’s Hophni and Phineas rashly remove the ark from the tabernacle putting faith in the presence of the literal ark itself, to bring them to victory. They treated it as another idol, as the physical manifestation of God. Because of Israel’s sins, it was defeated by the Philistines and suffered great loss of life, including the lives of Eli’s sons. (1 Sam 4:1-11) The ark was confiscated and placed in the Philistine temple of the god of Dagon. By God’s spirit, the statue toppled and was destroyed, causing fear among the people. (1 Sam 5:4,6) Within a matter of seven short months, they sent the ark back to Israel after suffering disease and plagues wherever they desperately moved the ark. (1 Sam 5:11) Eventually, and under trial, error, and the unexpected loss of life, David was successful in returning it to Jerusalem. (1 Chron 15:11-15; 16:1) When Solomon finished building the temple, the ark was brought from the City of David and placed in the inner sanctuary, under the protection of two cherubim: “ Then the priests brought in the ark of the covenant of the Lord to its place, into the inner sanctuary of the temple, to the Most Holy Place, under the wings of the cherubim. 7 For the cherubim spread their two wings over the place of the ark, and the cherubim overshadowed the ark and its poles. Nothing was in the ark except the two tablets of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, when the Lord made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.” 1 Kings 8:6,7,9 Only the Levitical priesthood was to bear the ark, as David realized when bringing it back to the City of David, veiled under a large cloth. (1 Chron 15:13; Num 4:5,6) The priesthood role was to convey God’s messages to the people, spoken from above the ark, and teach His decrees written on the stone tablets that the chest preserved. Then the Lord spoke to Aaron, saying: 9 “Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, 10 that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean, 11 and that you may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the Lord has spoken to them by the hand of Moses.” Lev 10:8-11 Under the new covenant established in Christ, God’s chosen priests symbolically carry God’s laws hidden within their heart. (Isa 43:10,21; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Heb 8:10;13:15) These laws are sourced in the Word, Jesus Christ, the Head of God’s Temple of mobile “living stones”. (John 1:1;14:15,23,24; 1 Pet 2:4,5; Eph 2:10,20-22) Today, God’s priests have abandoned their duty as God’s teachers. (Ezek 44:10; Mal 2:8,9) A false priesthood/elder body assumes to “carry” God’s laws spoken by false “christs”/prophets, who subtly compare themselves to Moses leading the nation of spiritual “Israel”. (Num 3:10; Rom 2:28,29; 2 Thess 2:3,4) (Matt 24:4,5,23,24; Rev 13:11,12) God’s priests imbibe in “intoxicating drink” offered by this Harlot; and in their drunkenness, they have allowed God’s sanctuary to be violated by the “unclean”. (Ezek 44:6-9,21,23; Isa 28:7,8; Luke 21:34-36; 1 Thess 5:7; Rev 8:10,11) Until researching the ark of the covenant, I had never related “Jehovah’s organization” as an “ark” of testimony, promising to lead JWs safely against the religious and political entities of the world, and on to a victorious finish. I view it even more so, as their “spirit-breathed” guiding idol of protection, enforcing the decrees of men; and like the example of Hophni and Phineas, it reveals how little God’s anointed priests “know” God. (Jer 2:8; 9:5,6; Rev 13:15) The practice of spiritual immorality has resulted in the trampling of God’s Word in Christ, bringing truth down to the ground, and exalting the doctrines of men. (Dan 8:12,13,25; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:9,10; Isa 2:22) His priests do not bear the mark or portray the “image” of God’s Temple City of Truth. They bear the mark of a counterfeit temple of two blasphemous Beasts. (Deut 6:6,8; 11:18; Exod 13:9; Rev 14:1; Rev 13:1,11,12,16,17; 17:3,5) Do you understand that it is blasphemy, when the wicked steward wrongly claims to be God's faithful slave (Rev 2:2; Matt 7:15; Rev 13:11), or when those not spiritual Jews (Rom 2:28,29; Ezek 44:7-9) falsely claim to be God's Temple (Rev 2:9; 3:9; 2 Chron 13:9; 23:6; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:4; Dan 8:11; Rev 13:7; 11:2; Jer 7:4) ...when in truth, they are an abomination of Satanic deception! Such Gentile "elders", blaspheme against the genuine saints and priests of heaven (Heb 12:22,23; Eph 2:6; Phil 3:20; Rev 13:6) ... "killing" all who refuse to worship and serve their collective "image", as God's "spirit-directed" organization (Rev 13:15). That "abomination" is successful in destroying the life prospects of God's genuine people (Rev 13:7,8; Matt 24:4,5,24,25,22). That's why Jesus called it, "the abomination causing desolation", "as spoken about by Daniel the prophet" (Matt 24:15; Dan 11:31; 8:13) (Jer 12:10-12; Matt 10:34; Rev 2:16; 19:15,19; 16:13-16; 13:10; Isa 63:18; Jer 6:3; Luke 19:43,44; 21:20,24,22; Rev 11:2). This is, the "operation of error" / "deluding influence", of 2 Thess 2:11 (2 Thess 2:4; Dan 8:11,12; Rev 13:1,4; 2 Thess 2:9-12). Pearl Doxsey - “Who Are God’s People?” Prov. 25:11 – “A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures (“images”) of silver”. Jesus gave us warning that both good fruit and bad fruit would be exposed in the last days.(Matt 7:15-20) Those slaves who are attached to the “vine”, who remain connected with their Head, will be projecting the “image” of God’s words of truth in Christ. (John 15:1-5; Col 1:18) Truth is the foundation of the Temple. Each “living stone” sealed into it would speak in harmony with Christ’s truth. (Matt 16:18; John 14:6; 1 Tim 3:15) “And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times.” Ps 12:6 In the inner sanctuary, as well as on the “mercy seat” of the ark of the covenant, were the two cherubim which appeared to guard God’s “testimony” of Truth which the ark carried inside. John 8:17 – “It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true.” A symbolic “two witnesses”, Revelation’s messenger servants of Christ, “trumpet” the need for God’s Temple priests to submit to Christ’s admonition, to “buy gold refined in the fire” (Isa 58:1; Matt 24:31; Rev 3:14-22) “Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming,” Says the Lord of hosts. 2 “But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner’s fire And like launderers’ soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi, And purge them as gold and silver, That they may offer to the Lord An offering in righteousness. Mal 3:1-3 The tree of life represents God's gift of life through Christ (1 John 4:9; John 6:57; John 3:16; 5:26; 1:4; Acts 3:15). That gift is also represented by the ark of the covenant, guarded by "two cherubim" (1 Kings 8:6; 6:27; 2 Kings 19:15; Ps 80:1; 99:1; Ezek 10:1) When the symbolic garden of Eden is restored, and the trees of life are accessible again, the sanctuary is "opened", and living waters/manna/the law tablets (Heb 9:4; 2 Cor 3:3)), once again "flow" from the throne of God, and from the sanctuary in heaven. (Ps 18:6,10; 80:1; Isa 37:16; Ezek 10:1; Rev 11:19; 15:5; Ezek 47:1; Rev 22:1,17; Heb 8:5; Jer 3:15-17). So when we read that the "tree of life" was guarded by cherubim, we can hopefully perceive that this reality is prophetic and spiritual, and is still very much with us. It is the "two cherubim" (Rev 11:3), that determine who it is that are permitted to receive of life's provisions (Matt 16:19; Mark 10:37,40; Zech 4:3; Matt 17:2,3,11; Isa 61:4,3; Jer 1:10; 2 Cor 10:4; Rev 2:26,27; Zech 4:3,14; Rev 11:4,3), thereby guardians of the "ark of the covenant" AND the "tree of life" (Rev 22:14; Ps 118:20; John 10:9,7; Rev 21:12; 22:14; 1 Cor 4:1; Luke 12:42). Not all are permitted access to the "tree of life" (Matt 13:11,12; 10:13-15; 7:6; Mark 6:11; Luke 10:11; Isa 29:11; Luke 8:10; John 6:65; 1 Cor 2:10; 2 Cor 4:3-6; Rev 22:15; 21:27; Isa 52:1b; Joel 3:17; Nahum 1:15) Pearl Doxsey – “Garden of Eden”/New Creation/Seven Spirits/Tree of Life/The True Vine” “Blessed is the man who does not walk in the advice of the wicked; nor does he stand in the way of sinners; nor does he sit in the assembly of mockers. 2 Instead, in the law of YHVH is his delight, and on His law he meditates day and night. 3 And so, he is like a tree planted by streams of water that gives its fruit in its season; its leaf also does not wither. Therefore all that he does prospers. 4 Not so the wicked. Instead, they are like the chaff that the wind scatters. 5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous; 6 for YHVH knows the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish.” Psalm 1:1-6 https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/ Who is the target of God’s four plagues of Revelation? (Rev 18:4) See: “Sodom”/”Four Horsemen” “Teach the Distinction!” “Disgusting Thing” “The fallen star”
  12. Some people find it easier to use ad hominem attacks, than to use critical thinking skills.
  13. If they know that the organization teaches the truth, then how is it PIMOs are those responsible for the information leaked to the exJW community? Much of this information hits exJWs before it reaches the congregations. There is no motive to do this if they believe the organization is "the truth".
  14. It's wise to define mistakes. Moses clearly was an inspired prophet of God. We have written evidence that God worked through him. Parting the Red Sea was not by his power, but by the power of God. We have clear evidence that prophesy made by Watchtower leaders was never under inspiration from God. We also have clear understanding from God through his prophet Moses, what to expect will happen to false prophets. But a prophet who presumes to speak in My name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.” 21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed. Deut 18:20-22 Being a false prophet is not dismissed by a slap of the hand from God. If a leader expects obedience to his words that fail time and time again; and then makes the judgment call of spiritual death on someone for rejecting his leadership, would you call that an act of "humanity and mercy on other humans"? Thousands who have accepted Christ's leadership over the leadership of a wicked slave, have been sanctioned as spiritually dead. “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. Matt 24:9-13 https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2020/04/discerning-false-christs-and-false.html
  15. There's a term called, PIMO (physically in, mentally out). Their "will" is to leave the organization, but the leaders have instilled the pervasive fear that by acting upon the will to leave, it will bring an end to all relationships held with loved ones. I'm sure you know what I mean. Col 2:8 - "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ." Rev 13:10 - "If anyone is destined for captivity, into captivity he goes. If anyone is to be killed with a sword, with a sword he will be killed. This demands the perseverance and faith of the saints." Rev 13:15 - "He (false prophet) was permitted to give a spirit to the image of the beast (spirit-directed organization), so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed." Disfellowshipping is a spiritual death. "Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God's law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof. Satan's influence through the disfellowshiped member of the family will be to cause the other member or members of the family who are in the truth to join the disfellowshiped member in his course or in his position toward God's organization. To do this would be disastrous, and so the faithful family member must recognize and conform to the disfellowship order. How would or could this be done while living under the same roof or in personal, physical contact daily with the disfellowshiped? In this way: By refusing to have religious relationship with the disfellowshiped." Watchtower 1952 Nov 15 p.703
  16. You might want to do a headcount of all who were 'let go' at Bethel, at a moment's notice. Had they all "stopped serving jehovah"?
  17. It's not changing anything, but showing the organization's hypocrisy in all forms.
  18. It is a sad situation, and can be interprested as a very "extreme" move, which could remind one of Hitler camps. But so does this situation: (translated from German). It makes one wonder what party is more Hitler-like. Dear Brothers.This is my [response] to the way you dismissed me of the Special pioneer service [effective the first of] January 2016. The [fitting] “loving words” cannot reduce my disappointment.As you mentioned, I experienced a lot of joy and went through a lot of challenges. I was willing to set the kingdom interests first and to [make] sacrifices to serve Jehovah, wherever you thought it is necessary.In the belief that the end is near and that the organization is [led] by Jehovah’s spirit, I started pioneering in my youth. I [turned down getting] a good education in the hope that the organization needs me. Jehovah is the best employer, as I was told.And now you decided that my special pioneer service will end [on the first of] January 2016. I ask myself what changed that you do not need my service anymore after nearly 30 years?I am astonished that you advise me to serve as an normal pioneer in the future. If the end is near, why is my service as [a special pioneer] not necessary anymore? Is it the money? Am I too expensive for the organization?Do you need the money, which is donated to support the preaching work for other activities? For example for building projects, like Warwick or temple farms? I really feel betrayed and exploited.It seems to be the case that some buildings projects are more important for the “slave” than humans, who try to help others. Your offer to release me from my duty to reach the monthly hours goal, that I can do necessary things like looking for a job or for living, is really generous. Until January you want to pay my allowance as usual.Really generous of you! To be honest it feels like a hit in my face or a kick in my ass.I have no financial back up in my age and no education. I can probably not expect any support from my family, as they warned me [about getting into special pioneering].As you mentioned, I did not expect this decision and I do not believe anymore that the Governing Body or the Branch Office are really valuing the work I did.Your encouragement to trust at Jehovah sounds like derision. As I thought Jehovah provides for his servants through his organization. You do not want to lose my service and my experience, but you do not want to spend a single dollar for it anymore.How else could I interpret this sentence? Quote: “In view of the valuable experience you have gained in your ministry, we hope your circumstances will allow you to engage in the regular pioneering”… “In that way, your full time service will not be interrupted. As a regular pioneer, you may choose the congregation in which you want to serve; however, we hope that, if possible, you can stay in your current assignment. If you move to another location, please talk to the circuit overseer or write to the Service Department to know where you might be more useful.”I truly understood now, what is important for Jehovah`s organization: the only things that are counting, are efficiency and the gain for the organization, not the people.Disappointed greetings.Your Brother(I do not want to tell you my name until I am not longer depending on you). https://jwsurvey.org/downsizing/betrayed-and-exploited-dismissed-special-pioneer-lashes-out-against-downsizing/comment-page-1
  19. That movie requires an entire box of Kleenex. It is a great movie, but I don't know if I can go through witnessing the suffering again.
  20. At what appears to be the same address - 900 Red Mills Rd, Wallkill, NY 12589... ...is another type of "farm"/corporation, for "religion, spiritual development" VALLEY FARMS CORPORATION Mission Valley Farms Corporation is a religious organization formed to purchase, sell, or lease real property to support the needs of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the United States. The organization remits any income generated from the real property it owns to Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. https://www.guidestar.org/profile/11-2925405 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Valley Farms Corporation is a real estate association based in Wallkill, NY that was founded in 1987. As of 2018 they had $284,426 in revenue and $2.0 million in assets. The IRS revoked this organization's federal tax exemption on 2013-05-15, for not filing a Form 990-series annual return or notice for three consecutive tax years. Program areas at Valley Farms Corporation Acquiring real property and holding title to, and collecting income from such property https://www.causeiq.com/organizations/valley-farms-corporation,112925405/#section_form990s (information provided by Kim Mikey youtube)
  21. Always excuses. Truth is not a revolving door. If an anointed remains "in Christ" that one's teachings would be be proven as firm, - reliable, over the years. John 15:16 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me." John 15:1-4 If the fruit taught in the 60's, can be rejected today, then it was never sourced in Christ. If the fruit taught today is proven bogus, God expects us to reject it. If we love our neighbor, we would not remain silent but speak up for righteousness. We are told to examine the fruit and reject what is "bad". Matt 7:15-20 Both Jesus and the apostles taught that there would most certainly be "divisions" in the congregations, based on teachings. John 15:18-25 Interestingly, those who obey the words of Christ in John 15, and reject falsehoods, are "hated without reason" by their people. We embrace Christ's direction, not the wayward direction of uninspired men. "I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people." Rom 16:17-18
  22. Newspapers commonly advertise the JW Sunday meeting times and address in the church notice section. I have even seen the name of the talk to be given, on a particular Sunday. The newspaper could only have gotten this information from the elders of the local kh. When traveling through small towns many times I’ve seen the Jehovah’s Witnesses kingdom hall listed on a sign post, along with all other religions of the town. Are JWs really “no part of the world” of religions? Or, are those who have left the organization, no longer part of that particular world? John 17:15,16 Jesus separated himself from the corruption of the religious system of his own people. Is there corruption in the religious system of the WT? What JW, in all honesty, could say no? https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/02/here-is-answer-to-question-regarding.html
  23. Can anyone exercise their conscience without the ability to think independently? "But a spirit of independent thinking does not prevail in God’s organization, and we have sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us." W 89 9/15/pp 20-25
  24. They missed that. I noticed it in all your complaints against the GB. The GB members are adept at partially quoting people and scripture. They know how to twist facts into convenient lies. In fact, we know they have been dinged for giving a "false witness", by twisting the words of a prominent individual in the scientific community. I see you have followed in their footsteps. Here is my accurate quote:
  25. "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those with leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you received, freely give.” Matt 10:8 The message in this video fits the governing leaders in the organization, like a glove. Please read the WT quote in the description under the video. Notice how the organization’s practice of hypocrisy, has come back to bite them. Amos 5:18-27 WT 2/1/1990, pg 25: "19 The worldliness of some clergy has even been exposed in the media in recent times, as for example the licentious and luxurious life-styles of some TV clergymen. One modern songwriter composed a song with the title: “Would Jesus Wear a [$10,000] Rolex [watch] on His Television Show?” The song goes on to say: “Would Jesus be political if He came back to earth, have His second home in [luxurious] Palm Springs and try to hide His worth?” In addition, more and more clergymen condone or practice homosexuality. Even now the Catholic Church in the United States is paying millions of dollars in damages to compensate for priests guilty of sexual abuse of children.—Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10. " “Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are sexual immorality, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, factions, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, things which I am telling you in advance, just as I said before, that the ones who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” Gal 5:19-21 The wicked appear rich, powerful, and glorious. The faithful, appear despised, weak, and foolish (1Cor.4:8-10,11-13; Rev.3:17-18; 2Cor.11:3-5,12-15,23-25,26-27,28,29-30; 12:9-10; 13:4) Why those contrasting appearances? Who is it, that rules over the desire of the eyes? Who is it that bestows worldly glory, dominion, power, and riches? The unfaithful have a respectable appearance, because they have failed the test of Satan (Luke 4:5-7). In contrast, the faithful, are given the glory of Christ (John17:22). Pearl Doxsey – https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/ “Sources of Persecution against the Holy Ones / Why must the faithful, die?” “Glory”
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