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Inspired ....spirit-driven.... spirit-guided.....motivated.....to have spirit of....lead up by spirit....to feel that spirit leads us ..... spirit impelled him .... he came in the spirit....sent out by the spirit....spirit did not permit them.....bound by the spirit...he was in the spirit....carried him away in the spirit... and many more other phrases in the Bible. Why JW's mostly, generally think that "inspiration" is action reserved only to JHVH and Jesus or devil and demons? "Inspiration" is state/condition of some person soul, mind and emotions. The biblical / religious state of inspiration comes mainly out of the will of the people. But do you think how this is something that can be achieved/put on/force upon only by the actions of superhuman powers? JW's are very occupied with their religion in own life and have specific relationship to this word and have specific (organizational) understanding of the concept about this special word - inspired. They think, I think that they do think :)), about this word only in religious sense and consider how it is about or only about some sort of divinity or divine holiness (or devil evil) in background. Because they attach great importance to this word in only one direction, they forget that there is also a very powerful influence of another force. It's the spirit of man. JW's must recall themselves more often that people are created on the image of God. And that all people in themselves have a strong spirit (of divine source by birth and genetically inherited). This human spirit is powerful and can inspire other people (earthly spirits) around them. You, as individual can be inspired by people around you or by people about whom you hear about, you are watching, you read about. Also it is interesting how some other things can inspire people. For example; nature, music, poetry, stories, events, animals, imagination. Please, join to this topic and give, express your thoughts. Let your spirit free and let's inspire others :)))

Yes, of course. I will prepare some thoughts and make a new topic, so we can, if you like, make some discussion and to hear also what other people think about it. You already used in this comment few interesting thoughts.

Ohh, sorry JW Insider, but they had not needed to made specific naming, numbering was/were some specific work, action and move that organization and leading people inside it had made, was been spirit-directed. .... Because..... the whole organization with all guardians of doctrine who has made approval, gave green light for, of every Bible edition ...... is spirit-directed......supposedly.

You mean your work (as single, not as we) can accomplish some good ? :)) I think how in this complexity of Trust Issue (on various fields, in various places and with various people) things are in so wide specter of colors with much/lot, lot of white and black too. But, main thing is thus, if you not trust someone , or have lost your trust in someone ... wall is very big/high.

For the ear tests words as the tongue tastes food. - Job 34:3 But WTJWORG, to prevent testing of human's doctrines in JW religion gave "Fatherly advice"; You must obey all instructions we tell you to do, even if you have questions about them and even if that not sound reasonable according to your understanding and your conscience. You must trust GB because JHVH and Jesus trust them. You must avoid all and everything we don't authorized and approved. What a trap! What a fraud!

@Foreigner One person more who are in crusade with down votes today :)))

Rant? Ohh, i like bigger font to see it better, Not to produce noise and loud talking :))) WTJWORG? That is my amalgam for naming two dominant things, components of your Organization, one is Corporation and another is Religion Nature? The type or main characteristic of something Did i lost you? :))))

Thank you John! Yeah, thoughts that circled in my mind about this in recent years, made me to think how God "desperately" need love from creatures He brought to existence - Humans (and Angels). In case of old Jew, he incorporated, built this in legislative. I wander why. Because, from our present time aspects, perspective and after Jesus' Teachings, all is in free will, free wish, to respect, to serving god "from Love". Idea of Love including Free Choice. Because without such freedom to make decision of that sort/ thing, seems questionable, to me at least. Love is Best, Ultimate, Perfect, Divine state of Soul. That is, i don't know, but i guess, Maximum what we can achieved in lifetime. For me, God looking for such Love. He needs that Love. What would happened if we don't give Him Love?

ahahaha. This statement made it clear how FDS thought was different in the past and they changed that thought today. It is not about what WE (JW's rank and file members) thought before. It is all about Them aka GB of WTJWORG. :))

@BillyTheKid46 Are you on crusade with downvotes this evening ? :))))

If you don't mind i would like to say my opinion and some short thoughts about this interesting and perhaps important issue, if not for all people but maybe for some. If we go from premise how God is perfect and self sufficient in all things, than we maybe may take this strong and clear view, you said, as final thing, and stop right there. That reaction, of course, would not erase possibility to ask some questions. Or at least One question which will Shake this sort of idea you presented. What is that question? You can find this, not only interesting question, but in fact crucial, life important question, in God's command, request. This was expressed in verses: “Hear, O Israel: [a]The Lord our God, the Lord is one! 5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. - Deuteronomy book Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. - Mathew book If you put attention on Jew Law you will notice how Law said, among many other things that are OBLIGATIONS, Love is something that a person feels morally or legally forced to do! Imagine, God command you to love him! I ask you and anyone else: Can you love somebody, anyone on command???!! On one side, this same God give you free will, and filled you with various emotions. You have Mind and have freedom to choose and God respect your choice. Does Emotions have not that same freedom? As next argument in, for, this same issue we find this Bible statement: So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. - Genesis book People would agree in interpretation how this means that God transferred His attributes to humans. Among them is Love. Humans imitate, expressed God's attributes in their life. Love and hate, creating and destroying, smiling and crying and so on. While doing this, humans also have Big Need to Be Loved. If they are Not Loved things coming to be bad, behavior changes, interactions are problematic and other things are happens. In this period when there is Lack of Love, when is Time Without Love, in both direction, no matter is it problem that You Do Not Give Love or Other Don't Give Their Love, YOU/WE FEEL UNHAPPY. Well, because all this i think that you missed to see some things, when you gave unmistakable stated view about significance/importance of Love - Humans - God connections, interactions, interdependence.

As i can recall, publications gave few different ideas about this in my life time.

Who said that you are not??? :))

Because i am one of those who are in opposition to WTJWORG ideology (officially from 2015), do you sure about your conclusion how @JW Insider skillfully deceived me to to join him in the same job? :))) I have never met JW Insider before this Forum, and we are not in any sort of conspiracy. :))) But, I am gladly to met him and some other participants who gave comments here.

This is good :)) ..... But if someone want to be very independent free will human , than he must go by his own path :)) even in wrong direction.

Wrong Billy! You changed thesis! I am sure that you also know, that it is not about issue of Transferring Perfection in question but about Transferring Authority! After, later it came to the idea that such Authority means Infallibility.

@Outta Here 1st quote How are we to understand the GB/Slave interpreting scripture, as the sole chanel, and at the same time accept that they can err? This is the question here. As has been explained on many occasions, the GB/Slave is spirit-directed and not inspired. This means that guidance from Jehovah is provided whenever required. He keeps the the earthly part of His organisation on track....................when nececessary. In other words, if Jehovah has not intervened, then He is happy with the current progress. **** my green color @Ou tta 2nd quote ??? I think I said that Jehovah is happy with the overall progress of His purpose and that will always govern in what He chooses to intervene. In other words, as He always has the successful outcome of His purpose in view, He is always happy with what He allows. Of course the negative aspects and consequences of human behaviour do not make Him happy (compare Ps.119:136). Surely you know that??? He will indeed intervene in the affairs of all mankind soon. The outcome of that intervention will make him happier still, although there are some who feel otherwise. **** my green color my response: Are you serious? Do you want to apply this idea about JHVH only on JW religion in some special situations and periods of religious progress/changes aka new light dogma? Or do you offer this Idea as General View (Happiness) that JHVH have on Humankind and World Condition (in specific religious issue: old Jew, 1st Church, 2nd Church, Reformed Churches, etc.) in past thousand years? By reading of Bible report we see that god was Unhappy only ones, when released Flood on Earth. In all other stages, periods by not intervened He showed Happiness? :)) your response on this part: Do you want to apply this idea about JHVH only on JW religion in some special situations and periods of religious progress/changes aka new light dogma? You are referring to the nature of Jehovah's happines here I think? If that is the case then I don't apply it in such a narrrow context. :))))) now is time for real time :))))) Somehow You start to involve wording, Nature of JHVH happiness, in question i put. I don't now why. Because you started talking about God's Nature (Happiness). Even more, you go further and gave idea how there is gradation in this emotional state of God (happy - happier) :))) So, Who is that guy who talking about God's Nature? You or Me? :)) You made it clear that you talking about 2 different progress that is going on, and about 2 reasons for God's happiness. And how god's happiness is also visible because, supposed progress, taking place . Perhaps His happiness about this two things is VISIBLE only TO You. :))) and to WTJWORG. God is Happy with current progress ( here you talking about progress inside WTJWORG). God is happy with the overall progress of His purpose (here you talking, i guess, from Adam and Eve to nowadays) Somehow you entered in God's Mind and Emotions (aka God's Nature) and made inspection, insight of His Will, and then came before all of us here with comment even statement how God is satisfied with this 2 particular things. - to laugh or to cry, question is now - First of all, you made connection between WTJWORG activity, you called that PROGRESS with one EMOTIONAL STATE of JHVH Nature, aka happiness. This connection you have produced, was been reason for my next response i made to you: In regard to JW religion, and with your opinion, this would mean how JHVH is happy when JW members feeling, thinking, speaking and doing things that are factually wrong. Strange god you have :))  I hope how this retrospective is helpful for our conversation :))))) stay well!

I have no custom to offer Bible verses as for reason to support my opinions, but for those who Respect Bible above WTJWORG: Psalm 119:160 The sum of your word is truth, John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, Job 34:12 Of a truth, God will not do wickedly, and the Almighty will not pervert justice. Psalm 25:5 Lead me in your truth and teach me Psalm 86:11 Teach me your way, O LORD, that I may walk in your truth; John 8:31-32 … So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 17:8 For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; WT magazine: Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food". TRUTH = PERFECT First and Last thing what JW's need, must have in Mind, to reevaluate; JHVH/JESUS is Source and He Produced Truthful, Perfect and Healthy Spiritual Food .... NOT GB from WTJWORG. If by any chance GB want to apply on themselves illustration from Matthew about servant who sharing food, (Sharing, NOT Grow, NOT Produce, Not Cooke) than the best thing for them would be to continue with printing the Bible, and only Bible. :)))

Nooooo, that is implication resulted, arise from your sentence. :)))))

@JOHN BUTLER Idea is not just "stupid" but also impossible. Read again last sentence conclusion that @Anna made by quoting WT magazine. In an effort to protect their intellectual and copyright law (ahahaha) and to blur the vision of the reader or the believer / follower, to justifies all past and future failure in any, any matter they reached for The Words that Jesus never said, according to Bible, OT or NT scriptures !!!!! Another funny idea can be filtered from the way they made explanation; Jesus did not tell us. From this we can make funny conclusion, but who knows, maybe editor of article truly believes in possibility that Jesus somehow told them with some Voice from Heaven, in a Dream, before this edition of WT magazine went to printing; I never told you and never promised you that i will supplied you with perfect spiritual food! Today's WT study (Nov 2016) p.15 par.9: "Some may feel that they can interpret the Bible on their own. However, Jesus has appointed the ‘faithful slave’ to be the only channel for dispensing spiritual food. Since 1919, the glorified Jesus Christ has been using that slave to help his followers understand God’s own Book and heed its directives.’" And WT Feb.2017 p.26. par.12 " The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870". It seems that the key to making sense of these 2 seemingly opposing quotes is in the above paragraph if we continue reading: " Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food".

I don't know nothing about nature of JHVH (and his happiness). What i think i know maybe is wrong or insufficient. I am not sure how your view about God's nature is correct. Because you said, He is always happy with what He allows. B1 [ T ] to give permission for someone to do something, or to not prevent something from happening: [ + that ] formal to admit or agree that something is true: to let someone do something or let something happen; permit: to make it possible for something to be done or to happen: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/allow In regard to JW religion, and with your opinion, this would mean how JHVH is happy when JW members feeling, thinking, speaking and doing things that are factually wrong. Strange god you have :))

Ahh, i see clearly now, i figured out .... difference between "be inspired" and "spirit guided" :))))) Another prophetic words for less publications in recent years. But again have to ask, what Bible verse said; "not ALL the time"? :))) ....... similar with WTJWORG statement: "Jesus not promised perfect food" ?? :)) Looking for Literal interpretations about illustration.

If people follow such teachings and kill themselves, it is loss of their own lives and wasted effort. But when people, as in example you gave with Uriah, successfully implement to kill somebody (spiritual or literal dead) because of teaching aka instruction from some men ...... than is not enough to make just intellectual disagreement and do a job.... but refuse to do so.

I think this is strange feeling. ........In your heart....or in god's.

In my amateur opinion: two expressions with the same meaning :)))) Are you serious? Do you want to apply this idea about JHVH only on JW religion in some special situations and periods of religious progress/changes aka new light dogma? Or do you offer this Idea as General View (Happiness) that JHVH have on Humankind and World Condition (in specific religious issue: old Jew, 1st Church, 2nd Church, Reformed Churches, etc.) in past thousand years? By reading of Bible report we see that god was Unhappy only ones, when released Flood on Earth. In all other stages, periods by not intervened He showed Happiness? :))