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https://www.watchtower.exposed/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2019-financial-report-WT-of-Australia.pdf year 2019 year 2018 TOTAL INCOME: 28,156,175 ......... 27,205,582 Expenses: Donations and Overseas Aid 21,138,521........ 20,853,359 TOTAL EXPENSES: 29,693,500 ......... 28,384,247 SURPLUS / (DEFICIT) : (1,537,325) ........ (1,178,665)

@derek1956 WT JWorg and JW members can be subjective and label others as apostates. But they cannot deny the accuracy and seriousness of the title of the book, because Jesus meant "wolves" in his flock and not in someone else’s flock. Since JW members are considered to be members of precisely that one flock of Jesus, it means that "wolves" are in the flock and not outside the flock. Those who left the community are not "wolves". "Wolves" are the ones who don’t want to get out of Congregation and have interest to maneuver moves of the flock. To do that, such individuals need to be in leadership position. To promote deceit and to have influence on doctrines. The greatest danger comes from inside not outside.

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Than, what you think about idea to ask directly WT Australasia or GB? Perhaps you as JW member have good chance to receive information about whole situation. :))

John 14:28 "You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.'" John 2:19,21 "Jesus answered and said unto them Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up" 21 "But he spake of the temple of his body" Romans 8:11 "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you" Romans 8:9-11 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[d] because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of[e] his Spirit who lives in you. I am not here to support dualism or trialism or whatever is religious theology about trinity and so. I am going to look at text itself and to possibilities they offer. 1) when Jesus said Father is greater than I, we can take in context place and moment. Jesus, as His son, but also as son of his human mother, speaking from position of body and blood, a human on Earth. As perfect human individual in the body, he was also more than mere perfect human. He was only begotten Son, Firstborn of all. As perfect human, similar to Adam, because he represented Adam, he was correctly made statement how his Father is greater. Not only in aspects of his human condition at that moment, but also in regard spiritual position, Father - Son position. 2) in speaking about Temple i would not use this verse to prove who resurrected who, or who are in position to do such act. In verse is clearly said who have power and ability to raise Temple in the 3 days. Jesus made undoubted claim how HE is individual who will going to do this if somebody destroy Temple (literal or spiritual Temple, it is not matter) If Jesus is not only copy or clone of perfect Adam but much, much more, i not see obstacle to take in possibility how most powerful person in Universe, after Father, is able to made resurrection of human body. Because Jesus was in fact spirit in human body. His life was originated from spiritual place. 3) Spirit of God and Spirit of Jesus is interesting terminology. And both are powerful for same task - resurrection. Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?” - John 11 This two Spirits are so close and connected that it is understandable why Jesus said: I and the Father are one, the same. .... Father is in me, and I in the Father. - John 10 ... I am the Life - John 14 Just some verses for further research. I am not stating anything.

Perhaps if go on JW broadcasting there is same level of self-confidence and self-assured visible. :))

#8e44ad">Amazing idea you display. I am not so religious as you, but your statement showed lack of faith in Bible itself, and in spirit behind the book. Because many Christians would say how Bible words are sufficient for salvation, for understand God, for follow Jesus etc. :))))) You are amazing! So much efforts and energy and tone of words you using to show how few people here are wrong about something and now at the end of this show you said how people cannot rely on the Bible alone regarding analyzing verses. #8e44ad">Your friends in JW Church will be disappointed with you if they notice what you put in comment. Your loving WTJWorg would say how Bible alone explaining itself. You and them are in a disagreement about this issue, and by that you can't support each other in anything at all. ........but....... #8e44ad">On other hand WTJWorg supporting your idea on this with one crucial detail. WTJWorg GB said how reading Bible alone is not enough. They said how people need GB members and their Helpers for giving explanations about meaning of Bible text. In this you and them supporting idea how God's spirit means nothing. Is this blasphemy? :))) #8e44ad">Oh how nice is to see so much religious people who fanatically fights for own versions of faith. I understand need and positive side when someone firmly standing for what he believe is true. But, what we have here or elsewhere on forums is intellectually/emotionally colored about theories at the end of a day. We all need more to be active in normal helping activity for helping each other, (giving water and bread) and less about this. #8e44ad">PS I#8e44ad"> enjoyed while reading correspondence between you and your friends on another forum. Learned about you through their words. And they answered me on questions you did not want to answer when i asked you :)))))

#8e44ad;">For the sake of argumentation, for wider context and to complete more about visions about "coming", i put some Bible verses, no matter what we have in mind while reading it and no matter about "versions" and interpretations we can make based on this verses: Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen. - Rev 1 7 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. - 1 Thess 4 16,17 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. - John 14 3 And said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” - Act 1 11 #8e44ad;">It is interesting to notice past ways how God dealing with His Kingdoms. Old Israel Kingdom was visible on Earth with visible King on Earth. Jesus as His King also lived visible on Earth and established his Kingdom on Earth in shape of visible Congregation. The Kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness; nor will people say, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.” - Luke 17 21 #8e44ad;">:)))) so much about theology, mine, your's or Bible hub's

There is a fault in the logic here. Yes it is. :))) @4Jah2me is not in position to rule over but to live over something, someone... like me and many other people. I live over a musician, and he's constantly keeping me awake with his practicing. :))))) Now I can see logic in WTJWorg GB interpretations about 1914 Kingdom and Spiritual Paradise where JW members living till today ...... All is in their heads because, The understanding of the text is enhanced, not altered. The understanding was enhanced with progressive clarifications and changed approach to Bible text, according to WT study magazine. Nothing was altered, nothing :)))))

If that would make you smiling too.

WTJWorg GB know. :)) They said they are living in Spiritual Paradise now and here. According to this claim people could conclude how Kingdom is on Earth, because Jesus as King is coming in 1914 to visit the Earth. Obviously he stay and spread his Kingdom around the globe with a little help and by means of WT Society. Perhaps GB source for this knowledge is also in Bible hub? Also you said how WTJWorg speak the truth. Well we have Two Witnesses for same claim: You and WTJWorg GB.

Because I am, as is with my sources. God has a Kingdom, he has a King, the King has subjects who will rule with him from the heavenly Kingdom, to those who inhabit the earth. Tell me how is this wrong? No you are not wrong because of fact how all this you numbered is your FAITH and BELIEVES. This is your version, based on text and based on versions of text. And based on particular interpretations of text and versions that are sourced in you or sourced in other people and organizations. You can stop this agony with just one word, to say: Yes. :))

I am not evading beer, you misunderstand something :))

I will go for a beer :)) Also, suggest you to buy one for yourself too.

You don't need me to cite any of my sources, because i believe how Outta Here is JW member. And he has his "version" about your asking. In another word that is how he understand official doctrine :))

It looks how you are right about existence of several "versions" of doctrines inside JW members body, congregants. But to use your vocabulary: "Who cares". :)) This testimony of yours defeats completely @Space Merchant "version" of his view on WTJWorg. :))

@Space Merchant if you are not able or not willing to concentrate, canalized your thoughts in few words and few sentences than i have no need nor motivation to have conversation with You! You speaking about my "deviation" but you done nothing to change Your attitude toward people who don't accept your "faith" and stand for your "the truth" and your Bible hub or what ever. You are so ready to fight for "the truth", for your view on truth, for your version of truth here and now. Also here and now is right place and time to express not only your praise how WTJWorg teaching is wonderful, your "version" of their doctrines (and your version of own Faith, Organization, Church that you belong too), but to give Critical observation and speak against all, even minor detail that is not good and correct according to your inner sensitivity and intellectual objectivity, about/in both Institutions. If you said how there is not nothing wrong in your Church and in WTJWorg OR just skip to speak up about it, to stay deaf and dumb, as you done every time when somebody ask you this same thing, you will show your true face....once again. Have a good day :))

:)) Must be, (one of few explanations why and how it is possible that people have "own versions" about same stuff) similar to "1975 issue". Management of WT Company blaming followers for "own version" and "misunderstanding" all those WT publication articles that talking about 1975. By the way, do you have problem with people's "own version" about this and that? Because WT GB also have "own version" about "spiritual food" they offer to JW members. And GB changing periodically "own version" of that same "truth -version". Do you consider them (GB) better than any other human here or elsewhere? Does GB using Bible hub for their meditation and Bible study? If yes, why they not recommending this web site and put it in weekly meetings program ? :)))

Hello Space! I can notice how You and @Arauna thinking differently about "past, history". Arauna don't want to bother herself about WTJWorg history, and not about my history on this forum. But you do save "records" about other people, what is for praise. :)))) You are not like JW elders who must destroy all notes and records about past cases they handled while were dealing with people. :))

I put "Jehovah's Witnesses" in Bible hub .....and nothing :))

I am not native English speaker, but this is what i see correct understanding.

Thanks for the observations. Because my English isn’t very good (which is well seen in my grammar as I write comments:) ), it’s even harder for me to follow the lyrics in the songs. And, I didn't even expect "interventions" in the text of the original to happen. ............... But, that's how it is with "musical" and other interpretations :)))

No, i wait for others, in this case you, to put first "cart" on the table. It seems how exists individuals, JW members too, who put tremendous faith in God and believe how with Him everything is possible. Even to have "spiritual paradise" without organized religion. But when they been faced with second question, then they feels guilty and fear because answer: "No" would mean they have to live without WTJWorg. :))