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Alleged, we must keep this in mind just as the gun situation during the mass murder-suicides taking place some months ago. Now according to Child Abuse and Neglect Prevention, this is obviously a sign. Abusers will get close to their target, victim, by being friendly and giving them an abundance of gifts, it is easier if the abuser is in an educational, sports, club, and or religious institution, in some cases medical. So new clothing and a new phone is a sign as well as an abuser grooming his or her victim, which is the case here. As for the other bit, sex between a man and woman is for those in wedlock and or married. Moreover, abusers tend to get the trust from the family and friends of the victim, which is a sign with what took place. Smith, who was not barely 15 had intercourse with the abuser, who had gifted and groomed her, and said intercourse took place in Smith's home, to which she lives there with her father. If this act was taking place, in her bedroom, in her father's home, her father was most likely not present in the home. The abuse, according to her took place for several months. Abused victims will not say a word to friends and family because when someone of her age succumbs to such it is as if they are a prisoner to the abuser themselves and the hold he/she has on targeted victim. When the abused do not speak up regarding the abuse they endure, they do not talk to anyone about it, so there was no potential to be shunned and or excommunicated, it would most likely prompt church disciplinary action for an internal investigation to be made since this is a religious institution. It would have been best for her to actually speak up to her parents regarding the issue, perhaps those who are better equipped to take in the information regarding the abuse, granted Child Abuse and Neglect prevention does say to speak up to others, not just parents. If she had been cut of with the church before, how is it she is able to come into contact with them later on? Therefore there was not much of a cut off from her parents, but just clearly not much communication going on. What also does not add up is this statement by Ms. Smith "They told me that I wasn't sorry enough to God for what I had done". According to their church, they have judicial committees to which they try to see what was going on, and another factor is if she was originally in a different church, those she somehow got into contact with in the newer church were clearly not in the loop or have all the facts. The Jehovah's Witnesses, as stated before are Restorationist Christians hence they are united as a community by the teachings of their church, practicing a primitive form of Christianity that is aligned with the apostolic church, if you do not know what that is click this link: No one sees them as suspicious granted they can be found anywhere, anyplace, anytime and out in public. So knowing NBC news, they tend to think people are not aware of all the carts and door to door stuff going about with this faith group. The religious scholars they spoke with were Trinitarian scholars, for it is only them who have issues with anyone who do not believe Jesus is God or adhere to the mainstream - for this is known due to people like James White, and several who are like him, the same case is made by his troop regarding Islam. What is true is the faith group will always take any accusations in and make use of church disciplinary action and or protocol, hence the judicial committee process, prompting an internal investigation. Now, they've mentioned the whole Two Witness Ruling the faith group has and according to NBC they stated the following: one that requires two witnesses to a crime to prove guilt, a tenet that's in keeping with the Witnesses' strict, often literal interpretation of the Bible. There is more to it and not much is known when people do not do the research. We already know Jehovah's Witnesses are Restorationist, meaning they take the Bible seriously, for Restorationism, also described as Christian primitivism, is the belief that Christianity has been or should be restored along the lines of what is known about the apostolic early church, which restorationists see as the search for a more pure and more ancient form of the religion. Fundamentally, "this vision seeks to correct faults or deficiencies (in the church) by appealing to the primitive church as a normative model." according to The Encyclopedia of the Stone-Campbell Movement: Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). As for their rule, to them, their policy of states: "When any one of Jehovah's Witnesses is accused of an act of child abuse, the local congregation elders are expected to investigate. Two elders meet separately with the accused and the accuser to see what each says on the matter. For this is based in Deuteronomy 19:15 and reaffirmed in Matthew 18:15-17. From this alone, it should be noted that this two witness ruling has nothing to do with whether the alleged abuse is reported to the authorities, despite what some people even NBC is led to believe, for we have to thank the ARC to better clarify this rule the WT has. For even though they have this policy and or ruling, even in their books and publications never state that abuse or crime should not be reported unless there are two witnesses to the crime, case and point. The two witness rule as applied by Jehovah's Witnesses and their church is only applied to determine if a judicial committee should be formed to handle any form/type of sin and or wrongdoing within the JW church itself, hence internally criminally, for JWs are not Law Enforcement. WT pastors also send letters to the elders and stewards of their church to show that anyone is free to report child abuse to the authorities at any time without sanctions from the church, even encouraging such reporting. But again, people who do not do the research themselves will constantly say that this is bad policy since child molesters usually do not attack their target with others around, such also are lead to believe that and or even profess that this ruling protects the abuser and not the abused. Granted JWs take the Bible both seriously and literally, such ruling stems from the Bible itself, regarding them, for they, and or the bible, according to how this ruling is, repeatedly speaks of the need for two witnesses to establish any matter, as seen in a few verses for example: Matthew 18:16, 2 Corinthians 13:1, and 1 Timothy 5:19. And because of this like this, people tend to throw things out the window, even calling these Bible and passages like these obscure and not applicable in these modern times - for they forget that Jehovah's Witnesses, are Restorationist, for Restorationist do everything in their power to separate themselves from mainstream Christendom and align themselves with the how everything was done in the early church, thus taking scripture literally, therefore they, the Jehovah's Witnesses, believe that it is best for them to follow the words of the son of God and the inspired apostle Paul rather than the opinions of others, hence their strong stance. So the fact of the matter is, many people, even NBC, do not realize just what the two witness ruling entails without making the research. Others may know but they don't want you to know and just so they try to hide just who or what can serve as two witnesses, in this sense. With all these facts, it is unscriptural to apply excommunication an individual at the mouth of one witness, in terms of ruling, for God's word should take precedent over the thinking of imperfect ones. Regarding Jehovah's Witnesses, applying the two witness ruling, on their part, is reasonable and logical, and clearly not to otherwise deny the Bible itself. The situation is a bit different regarding a single witness, but a bit of research one can actually understand it. Now, Ms. Smith stated the following "They had used the Bible to victim-shame me for what I had done, and they never did anything to him." If the Bible was used to victim-shame, one would have to point to her other responses to which she stated before, thus speaking on what known and haven't even used the Bible at all, in this sense. She then said "He got married, and he remained within the congregation — a child molester living among them." The best course of action would have been to go straight to the police with this information, granted the church will not stop you from going to the police at all, be it internal investigation is done or not. Therefore, he would not be in that position if something was done prior, for abusers can and will get away with anything if nothing is said. Also Ms. Smith said the abuser had intercourse with her in her home, there is always a way to track things via DNA and other things, if talk show host Maury can get this done somehow, it does not stop the general public. When reached by phone, Rodriguez repeatedly told NBC News that he had no comment. He has not entered a plea in the case. NBC made several attempts to contact Mr. Rodriguez, but to no avail, granted Ms. Smith's allegations led to charges. NBC News verified the details of her claims through charging documents filed in King County Superior Court in Washington in July In addition to rape of a child in the third degree for what allegedly happened with Smith, Rodriguez was also charged with rape of a child in the second degree involving a 12- or 13-year-old Jehovah's Witness girl he allegedly had a relationship with around the same time. When reached by phone, Rodriguez repeatedly told NBC News that he had no comment. He has not entered a plea in the case. The article also says that the World Headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses responded to last month's Montana jury verdict with a brief statement that said Jehovah's Witnesses "abhor child abuse and strive to protect children from such acts," while adding it planned to appeal the $35 million fine. In response to questions from NBC News about what happened to Smith, Fairfield Kingdom Hall did not return a request for comment, and the Office of Public Information at the World Headquarters said in an email that "it would be inappropriate for us to comment on specific cases." As for the JW church itself, that specific church Ms. Smith went to, NBC tried to contact them, but no return of request for comment. The Office of Public Information at the World Headquarters said in an email that "it would be inappropriate for us to comment on specific cases." Which they are basically in the right to do/say such. The article goes on to say, it directed NBC News to its "scripturally based position on child protection," a two-page document on its website that intersperses Biblical references with denouncements of child abuse and outlines how the congregation aims to protect its children, and it says the following: "When elders learn of an accusation of child abuse, they immediately consult with the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses to ensure compliance with child abuse reporting laws. (Romans 13:1) Even if the elders have no legal duty to report an accusation to the authorities, the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses will instruct the elders to report the matter if a minor is still in danger of abuse or there is some other valid reason," says one bullet point in the document. Smith says that kind of protection was never offered in her case - when it should be realized in her own area there is a lot of JW churches, and a law of areas to report abuse, examples being other cases that take place in other institutions, schools, clubs even other churches, all of such can be reported promptly and fairly easily. Now, it says the following, when she finally told her family a couple of years later that she had been in a sexual relationship with an older man at age 14, she says they accused her of flirting, and have since stopped talking to her because they view her as a "spiritual threat" to their own commitment to their faith. Which is somewhat sketchy granted she never spoke to her parents about the sexual abuse, that took place in her home, that took place for several months of which she kept quite about to friends and family, and even as she got older, she herself stated she was supposedly cut off from her family and went on to possibly a different church to report the allegations to which they most likely had no idea about. She ends it also with "They were willing to turn their back on their own child to pursue a religion rather than support their own child," which is somewhat different from what she addressed before. If anything NBC should go speak with the parents, although something some information isn't lining up properly.

Biblehub tells you the same thing, so it is not only a GB/JW thing: https://biblehub.com/luke/14-11.htm Mr. Butler, before you say things like this, I suggest you do the research first. If you thing this forums is out of line, give CSE a try, and even there if you say something about religion or the Bible you will be corrected with bricks upon bricks of factual information. https://christianity.stackexchange.com/ The biblical hermeneutics section can grill you easy for they dissect anything and everything regarding the Bible. https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/

Incorrect. There things some have common ground on, but not similar. Example some faiths believe God has a literal wife and a couple of wives/concubines, other faiths do not, but both believe their is a God. There are those who believe there are thousands and thousands of Gods, and others believe in 3, while others believe in 1 God, that God being the Father. The Bible say to pray for others also, for this hangs in the foremost commandment itself. How should one suddenly ignore this something that Jesus held near and dear to his heart as a child into manhood?

There are some Atheists who do have sympathy for religion and the Bible, some who in secret who try to learn something, for there are many Atheist, some may not claim it, who do study theology and or Religion as well as the Bible. On the other side of the spectrum, some Atheists become who they are because of being misguided or not being able to understand something properly, while others will say why can't all religion simply be united as one, but they forget the whole ramification regarding interfaith and apostasy, That being said, an Admin is like a Game Master, they can do, choose, commit, take, and release, etc as they please. Admins also have their views and opinions as well as having a faith, thus it is no surprise should one takes the side of others or not - this is HIS playground, not ours.

If you consider Apostle Paul as an example you would not have been speaking negatively of Abraham in the first place, or his wife, Sarah. You would not have spoken slander when you and Witness attempted to defend religious leadership roles given to women in modern day when such was forbidden and unheard of in the past or the whole Temple Chest thing you had an issue with. And you've yet to show me anywhere in the Bible to your claim of Chloe being the Leader of the Church of Corinth - to which is unfounded, therefore, you have broken God's Word about those who add to the scripture when you are not suppose to. Tough cookies, Srecko, you cannot giggle your way out of that one. You directed your last response towards me being stubborn and persistent. So how is it this time I am somehow a Jew part of a Jewish Community? I have studied a bit of Judaism, but I do not see how man who's roots is traced back to the mother land, Africa, is somehow a Jew. Followers of God were strict also, for they wanted people to not be led astray and they were persistent in their word so the church remains clean of the accursed. Therefore, you example or point is totally meaningless. That being said, be strict on what the Bible says, mainly on what Paul said about Orderly Worship in terms of God's Order, is a mercy towards you. Also you are using those verses out of context.... Then work harder because need to show yourself to be God fearing. I guess perhaps in the future I might post questions via thread so it is neutral whereas both anyone even JWs and hop in, for I have came across some very complex questions with actual answers, so if anyone were to stop you guys on such, you should be able to answer. That being said, Srecko, I will have to point out, for truly I say to ye, that what you have spoken of regarding Chloe is a lie, and the biblical facts I provided to you, use that for your study and research. Remember these verses: Proverbs 9:8 - Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you; reprove a wise man, and he will love you. Proverbs 15:31, 32 - [31] The ear that listens to life-giving reproof will dwell among the wise. [32] He who ignores discipline despises himself, but whoever heeds correction gains understanding. Proverbs 19:20 - Listen to advice and accept instruction, that you may gain wisdom in the future. Do not be a forgetful hearer, be one who listens, Srecko. And read your Bible.

Indeed I do. It is a habit picked up from being use to typing up essays very fast, code algorithms in my youth, and quick way to pick up information so it does not go amiss. Actually I do get it, thus the reason why before in our past discussions, I corrected you on what Earthly and New Jerusalem is and explained in full detail on what the New Creation entails, to which you were adding to the word at this point and mixing verses, as you have done before and as you are doing now, do you know remember your attempt with Zechariah 8:3 or perhaps the Spiritual House or maybe you trying to say something ill of an interlinear translation not realize the difference between a 1245 or a non-1245? And no, I am not referring to Literal Jerusalem (granted I had a few words to say about modern day Israel and Jerusalem already), I only mentioned Earthly Jerusalem to which you confused what it was all about before, and I have told you, several times, that Earthly Jerusalem has rejected the Christ. but those of New Jerusalem have not. You were also called out for mixing verses, and I told you before that before you consider posting verses, to maybe try and read them first and see if the cross-references are correct, you prompted someone else to do it for you so no one else would be mislead by the obvious mixing, i.e. comparing Rock in the OT to rock in the NT, is an example. But you yourself posted something vastly different before, if that was the case, you saying the JW will tell me the same puts you in error, granted, you were posting from their publications time and time again, which is not too different for you believing JWs somehow has a role in things like Nintendo and Victoria Secret, if you have forgotten that. But you just said briefly that no one pays attention to this truth I am speaking, to which I am. That being said, Islam also teach they are the one true religion and that they are a peaceful religion, the Baptist say they are the only ones who have the truth, the new agers say they are the only religion in the world that has the keys and so forth, JWs saying they are the one true religion does not really mean much, for if they think of themselves to have the truth, granted their Restorationist roots of which I encourage you to study, then they can say that. The ONLY problem here is one can claim they havr the truth or they are a religion of peace or one true, but they have to live up to what the truth actually is. As I have mentioned to you before, Jehovah's Witnesses are Restoraionist, in their Christology, they are trying to be or striving to be like the Apostolic Church, granted some of their practices are not common with mainstream Churches that teach the Trinity, furthermore, Restoraionist as a whole do everything and anything to separate themselves from mainstream Christendom. You should try studying Theology, Witness, for it may benefit you, but even when I tell you time and time again, you ignore it, just as you have when you confuse yourself in Bible translations when anyone can see if a 1245 is in use or not. I am not ranting I am correcting. It should occur to you by now I make a response if: I am mentioned If someone response to me If I spot conspiracy I response If I spot falsehood I will response If I have to correct myself I will make a response I make a response when something in error is being spoken of regarding the Apostolic Church and or anything taking place today. I make a response to historical accounts I make a response to mixing of verses and or misuse of a verse or passage I make a response regarding Bible translations by means of minimum hermeneutics. If you say people become human and angels, I will correct you. If you say something out of line of someone or something, I will correct you, etc. This is how we roll in CSE, we correct the wrongs and errors of others. So if giving you a history lesson about Restoraionist seems like a rant to you, I suggest you do the research, but even when the research is presented to you several times, you ignore it and continue to speak of things in Restorationism to which you do not realize you are putting yourself in error. Must I link information about Christian Primitivity for like the 5th time for you, Witness?  So ask me, what is it in the Christology and Theology of Restorationist Christianity you do not understand? Ok, but you make it seem like the truth of which I speak is in error. To be honest, you are better off trying to bring forth truth against mainstream Christendom, and the real religion of Babylon the Great. Speaking about Babylon, if you live in Texas and someone invites you to a Christian event, it is of Babylon. AS I said to Mr. Butler, JWs/Restorationist are not fans of Interfaith practices, this also includes other faiths who are against Babylon who says such interfaith things is forbidden. This is of what you must avoid and this is what is your actual enemy.

No worries, knowing Srecko, he thinks he can be sneaky with his words, unless he forgot to pay his Bird ISP in bird seeds this month, since he thinks birds provide him internet to even post here. The comment in question was due to the whole women being religious leaders to which both Srecko Sostar and Witness based their understanding on a Tradition of Men. They tried to through in JW/Watchtower stuff and that didn't even help them either for 2 direct questions posed pretty much is enough to shut them down. It is people like that that are red flags, and I say to you study the Bible and research because one can easily slip into man's understanding without even knowing. No worries, no one wants to be a puppet of Srecko, no one is a puppet of him for he is very cryptic in his words, especially what he said about Abraham as if he is the villain, to which he has been corrected on. You can comment, but do so with something that is true to fact, true to the Bible, true to the Christology of others because if something is not in good light, a response will be made, this is how it is in the CSE community, of which I am from. So if someone is in error of the Bible, even about Islam, I will correct,for this is how I am, and this is how I profess. My reason for somewhat long posts, as a funny thing JTR thinks I right books and essays, I type waaaay to fast for me own good, and this began with a discussion I had with a Trinitarian here about Church Fathers, a second time regarding the Holy Spirit. The guy's name is Cos and he cannot see the forest for it's trees, for one thing I have a disdain for is anyone who professes what is accursed, in this case, the Trinity. Cos showed himself to be the child of the Devil when he made claim to something that the end of the discussion, all that can be said, he never posted in that thread again nor does he address he directly, to make it seem he isn't thing to respond to what I said.

As I have told you before, I speak truth and nothing but that and I adhere to the teachings and the church. I made it clear to you before; if someone speaks of any error and conspiracy I will correct them. You confused Earthly Jerusalem for Heavenly, I correct, you referred to Apostle Paul’s on word as an opinion, I correct, you try to confuse Greek text for that of the TR 1245, I correct, and you’ve been corrected on several occasions, thus far. If you are found to be in error of something a person or a group, I will correct you, for if one studies religion for this long, I can spoke the error and make a response. It is not about sympathizes with anyone, it is putting forth truth to the wrong of which is spoken of by those who do not even give a care to their own religious history and or the Bible and if you took the time to care about the history of the Bible I would not have stopped you before with mentioning the TR 1245 and your attempt to confuse when you have been quickly corrected. My views have not been shrugged off. I believe God is the our Father, I believe Jesus is his Son for he is our Messiah/Christ who is like a mighty warrior who is to come and save us soon. I believe what Jesus had commanded the church to do and what he has entrusted, I believe whole heartedly of what the Law of God entails, mainly of which 2 things of which the Laws hang from. I believe that the holy spirit is of God of which helps those to progress spiritually and to learn and to teach, to spread the Great Commission and so forth. I believe in all the efforts the Apostle have done, suffering, attacked and so forth, even their students, just so we can have the Bible in our hands today. So to say no one is in agreement with my views only proves for your claim to be unfounded, just as your absurd claim you made against me regarding women, as is with your silly attempt to use a typo against me when I first discussed with Butler in the past, when you were clearly aware of how I am with spurious text. So I ask you, if you going to say something like that, best be to task to bring proof, otherwise you show yourself to be as blind as your own claims. Furthermore, my information on here has been sought by others already, especially to the discussion we had about women and their position of the church and I believe I also mentioned to you of what their response was in all this, and I have done this before when your claim to conspiracy when even the words of a former JW counters yours. I even shown proof, or is it you have forgotten this fast already? As for Spiritual Death, it means to be cut off from a faith community, it is a spiritual death, for when one spiritual dies, he or she alienates himself away from God, I believe this was professed to you before when you were mixing verses, time and time again to fit your own emotion and opinions. Furthermore, Spiritual Death also entails in those who does not adhere to anything spiritual whatsoever, which is the case with a lot of people, who in this day and age do not even give care to learn of and accept who God is, or his Purpose, or His Will, or perhaps his Order, of which you show yourself to be against. In the core of Christian Theology: spiritual death is separation from God. Humans are separated from God because of sin, which entered the world through the Fall of Man, and are reconciled to God through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Now for Restorationist Christians. In their primitive Christian practices, among their faith community, they see those of their equal as a brother and or sister. For Restorationist all tend to focus on the same practices and teachings as it was for the early church. They view those outside of their faith normal folk, and to the majority of some, they see that what they see as truth is to be professed and or preached to the general public, as it was in Bible times. Restorationist adhere, as I told you before to which you seem to have forgotten, they take high importance of the Great Commission, for if they do not see anyone outside of their faith as children of God also, they it defeats the purpose as to why they adhere to the Great Commission to begin with, thus making themselves ultimately in the wrong, defeating the purpose of spreading the gospel, as it was done by Jesus and those who followed. Restorationist practice excommunication as well as anyone cut off from their people have all church ties cut totally, however, such ones tend to be taken back into the church when such ones have repented for their sins. Excommunication among Restorationist is not something of the extreme such as a Herem (Censure), but the form they practice is as followed: We should excommunicate, because it’s merciful to sinners. That being said, I know what is true, you should take a good look at yourself because last time, you considered try to use a verse to justify and profess a shift in God’s Order, thus making your truth, the one from your teacher, false and accursed. I can tell you right now, your truth, this human/angel hybrid nonsense, isn't' truth. This is because Restorationist, as with ALL Christians, regardless of denomination do not like anything to do with Interfaith, in Islam and Judaism anything Interfaith is considered forbidden. Restorationist Christians follow what the church was teaching back in ancient times, and as Paul himself professed clearly in Galatians 1:6-10 6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. 10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ. Paul made himself clear on what he was speaking about regarding the accursed, a gospel that is not of the church, for instance, it is as clear as day of what was in that discussion to which I linked to Mr. Butler so he can see for himself of what I met about when the truth is thrown into one’s face. We see here, an attempt, even by you to use verses regarding Salvation in order to make proof to God’s Order changing, when the structure of both the church and family has not change, for everything is in Order as is the day God made Adam and then Eve. The problem I see here is not with one who leaves any church, this includes Jehovah’s Witnesses, the problem here is people to take up accursed teachings and profess it as truth, your Pearl, did just that, to which you posted and to which you have been corrected on, and I even asked you, in question of a very specific question to you and Srecko, and no answer was made. Thus the truth itself puts what you profess based on your opinions and emotion to shame, and the fact you tried to even consider I somehow have a disdain for women only failed on your part and you were quick to judge based on a simple capitalization of a word, which is not too far off from trying to use a typo, which also failed on your part. Restorationist tend to devote their whole livelihood to pure worship of God, for some too much for their own good that they live literally off the grid, living pretty much as it was in Bible times, to where they make their own clothing, cook their own foods, etc. The only thing they have to read is the Scriptures and only that, they pretty much cut themselves off from society and devote themselves to God. Restorationist Christians only fear God and that is how they are, as is their early counterparts and all they care about is going in accordance of what the Bible says, for that is embedded in their Christology. They do not adhere to any doctrines of men as what took place centuries later, with the introduction to the Trinity or Modalism, things of such they are against, hence the term they are often called Anti-Trinitarian. Restorationist believe in religious leaders, who are going in accordance with the Scriptures, for they are one with the Shepherd and the Flock, being those of Restorationism, being one themselves with the Shepherd. They are of the same fold and put into application the teachings. Moreover, they do not have a fear for being cut off, for they know what Jesus had entrusted the church, that is if you understand Matthew 16, and what the churches have done to those who speak of anything accursed and or do not adhere to the teachings and or the teachers at that time, it is no different with Restorationism today, as is all faiths. Restorationist put into application Christ-like qualities and life the lifestyle that most people cannot do. The Apostolic Church of the Early Age is of the Christ, who is the Head of the Church, so they put into application all things of the Church. A bit ironic that you mention the Head, for last time we discussed, you were not a fan of God’s Order. Never said I was your teacher or wanted to be, but when someone gives criticism and or speaks actual information of the Bible, adhere to it. For a man who gives you directions to a destination is not your permanent guardian, he is simply assisting, guiding you to the correct path. Simply put – telling you to not trip over yourself, as you have always been doing. You do not need a teacher to know the difference between Earthly and Spiritual, as you have confused yourself with before. You do not need a teacher to tell you that humans are not human/angel hybrids, a teaching that is new aged. You do not need a financial adviser to understand what a trust fund is and yet an EXJW's won quote gives you that insight to the truth. You do not need a teacher to recognize God’s Order when it is there in the Bible, but you ignore it and or remain ignorant to it. You do not need a teacher to say that a man such as Paul only spoke of an opinion when Paul himself, who has God’s Spirit on him, was speaking of what God has put in motion. That being said, I would not want to be your teacher, all I have asked you is to study your Bible and study the history of Christianity because many, many times you trip over yourself, you do not even want to take the words of ExJWs also because it defeats your own resolve. And lastly, you not once, not twice, not three times, and yet you continue to do so. If I am able to point that out, you have a long way ahead of you to go and like many of the mainstream, you area astray. I care not if you are a JW or a Muslim or someone of Judaism, if you speak of one’s Christology and yield upon falsehood or conspiracy you will be corrected, I’ve already corrected someone on Islam. I care mostly amount those who take the time to understand the truth the bible brings, and what the early church has went through, even in the face of death and persecution only for you to even quote Bible verses, for it were not for the efforts of such ones, the bible would not be in our hands, our backpacks, our libraries, nowhere at all – for if you are trying to follow the Christ and know who His God is, at least show some respect for where the Scriptures come from in terms of history.

Correct, but it goes even deeper than that. I will begin with a verse, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, which reads: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Now for Apostate and or Apostasy, it also means to defection [deflect] and or to revolt. It is a falling away, a withdrawal. For even in Bible times there has been apostasy and even foretold by Jesus himself (Matthew 24:10-12) which would precede the day of the Lord (2 Thessalonians 2:2). Apostasy, not in name but in fact, meets scathing rebuke in the Epistle of Jude; the apostasy of angels (Jude 1:6). Foretold, with warnings, as sure to abound in the latter days (1 Timothy 4:1-3 2 Thessalonians 2:3 2 Peter 3:17). Causes of: persecution (Matthew 24:9, 10); false teachers (Matthew 24:11); temptation (Luke 8:13); worldliness (2 Timothy 4:4); defective knowledge of Christ (1 John 2:19); moral lapse (Hebrews 6:4-6); forsaking worship and spiritual living (Hebrews 10:25-31); unbelief (Hebrews 3:12). Biblical examples: Saul (1 Samuel 15:11); Amaziah (2 Chronicles 25:14, 27); many disciples (John 6:66); Hymeneus and Alexander (1 Timothy 1:19, 20); Demas (2 Timothy 4:10) and so forth, for it was not common for such to take place then and now. Here is where the whole Interfaith comes in. Interfaith means relating to or between different religions or members of different religions. For we are to be highly cautious of interfaith groups, ministers, chaplains and churches, etc. For it is spoken of, by the Christain community that Satan has been infiltrating churches today with this tactic via interfaith groups that are intended to lead people away from the truth of God's Word and his teachings that originate with the church. Now as I have said Jehovah's Witnesses to their very core are Restorationist, I'll link you the information so you understand what that is here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorationism). The reason they are up to their eyes of apostasy is due to interfaith teachings and or practices that may hinder their community, example, The Trinity, or those who see the Holy Spirit as a women, or as @Witness himself briefly mentioned which is considered interfaith is those who believe that humans and angels are one in the same, or hybrids of some sort. All such things do not fly with Restorationist, so this is but of several reasons they are this strict. Another case is disgruntled members of their faith community who will use the teachings, mixed with mainstream ideologies to fool the masses, like the claim of inspiration when Restorationist Christians to their core do not claim inspiration, especially those who are against the Trinity and are openly accepting of the New Covenant. So as I made mention before, if you go to a JW church or is a member of that church and spread interfaith teachings, chances are you will be excommunicated and or kicked out quickly because when it comes to interfaith, regardless of faith, it spreads like wildfire and causes problems. This same example goes for those who go into churches and make claim Jesus does not like others who are not of the 12 tribes and everyone else will be killed expect the 12 tribes, other cases, if you go to a church and say Jesus is [Asian, Black, Mexican, etc] it is falls into the category of interfaith to those who take such very, very seriously. We had an example in United States back in 2016 of July of a whole Interfaith event called Together 2016, which was held by the Vatican's Pope to gather ALL religions, and it was a problem. This month, this same thing will take place in Texas, to which I mentioned this to JWI before on this forum. For Interfaith supporters are also in Apostasy because such ones are in union things such as homosexuality and tolerate it. Already we see this wickedness becoming prevalent in society's churches who are open to accepting those who are for the union of interfaith supporters and the like. The primary reason why homosexuality is thriving today is because of a woeful lack of Bible-preaching in America and parts of the EU. This is why there needs to be those who, by a single person and or by group to preach the true gospel, to teach what is true and not stumble into mass confusion as those who are supporters of Interfaith thus making them Apostates. So this is why many are up in arms, so to speak regarding Apostasy and disgruntled ones. For in order for God's Word to prevail the truth must be spoken and taught, we shouldn't give the mainstream an inch of ground to succeed otherwise God's Word will be put into a pit in the ground until someone tries to pull it out. Apostasy is to be taken seriously, just as it is for anything accursed, anything that is false, anything that hinders truth, anything that taints spiritually, anything that is not Berean Like, anything that is absurd, etc. For you have to walk as the Christ have done, and do everything in your power as he did for his God, you do the same. It matters not of what faith you are, it only matters when you speak the truth, which entails not making lies of scripture and or others Christology, for you have to be truthful 100% in this sense.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. Protest and Rioting will ensue very soon and it will be as heated as the hot sand on summer day in DR.

@JOHN BUTLER But hen others speak to truth you turn and do the same. That being said, this specific forum, originally was Controversial Post, come here at your own risk and speak to defend, something of that sort, I think Allen quoted it before it was changed. But still it is in application here. Apostate is Apostate, those who do not adhere to God, those who think they know God but twist the word into something accursed. Such ones tend to go to the extreme and even become highly disgruntled, those who do not are subtle in their words and actions only to attempt to do some critical damage to a person and or group and or community. Also this is a forum, Admins can do whatever they please in this sense, you are only a child, playing in their playground, as is the rest of us. If they say something it is by their word and they can remove you from the playground without fail if need be - as is the case with so and so who goes by many names and faces.

@JOHN BUTLER This is because when there is truth, an actual truth, people tend not to take said truth and will remain in ignorance of what is actually true. Those who accept what is truth will remain steadfast, be among the learners who are wise. But you have to be very aware that over the centuries, the Bible has taken in some corruptions, such corruptions that is of men, for I told you before, to which someone tried to use a typo against me [Witness], that you cannot trust the KJV 100%. The truth is the inspired word is in the KJV, however, there are some spurious text, changes and forgeries, in the text itself and people, even today think of them as true. An example would be John 7:53–8:11, this whole passage is not inspired, nor is it Bible canon, and yet the KJV has it, making the masses think it is true. Those who cannot get another Bible but the KJV, tend to avoid spurious text as a whole. And there are many corruptions, for your early church father fought against such, but centuries later such has taken place again and in our day and age, a fight still is brewing.

And your point? I back up a majority of what I say on here, at times being overly factual. Unless you have something else to say, I am waiting. And yet when he judges me you voted it up. I am not a stubborn person, I am, however, very strict and pressing with information, mainly if something spoken of is untrue, in the realm of religion, I will point something out and make it clear from what is true and not true. For when a truth is spoken, such of which is too much for one to handle, and there is a whole lot of that. Stubbornness and persistence, no. Strict yes, I even told you this the first time I ever made comment to you and to others. If I tell you a truth, an actual truth, you would say something else only to be met with truth, and if anyone has been aware, I always make a response as to where my name is mentioned and if I see something that is not correct, I will make a response. If Srecko says that God has no problem with men/women physically changing their reproductive system to the opposite sex, of course I will make a response to it - and yes, he did say this before, it caught my eye and I did make the response. If you believe that someone who speaks truth is stubborn, maybe it would be best to take the time and read Isaiah 28 and see how the leader of Judah responded to Prophet Isaiah, who was not stubborn at all, but very strict on what he says although he kept repeating himself. You should be moved by what is true and not that of man's understanding, of which the last 2 times, when the truth was sent your way, you seem a bit flustered by it. As for the strictness, I can get irritated, but this is only towards Trinitarians and anyone who speaks ill of the holy spirit or those who brush over biblical principles that tie in with God's Laws and commandments. This is in fact true, here is the proof of where I posted the Bibical Facts to such ones who attempt to bring up JW every time when the truth of God's Order is presented in their faces, have a look, Mr. Butler: There are some typos but the response was clear to Srecko, when it comes to facts: Like I told you before, the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Watchtower cannot save you here, and you only proven yourself to be incorrect, granted that anyone even to Theologians know the history of Restorationist. I know what the topic is about for if it irks you that much you didn't take to task to stop Mr. Srecko now did you? It didn't stop you from going about speaking of inspiration and the other things when, as you put it, the topic is about Armageddon I made my response regarding a specific discussion on this forum, granted what I said was to respond to @Anna to briefly explain the discussion, not to you, of which actually took place. If it is Armageddon response you seek, it is an Armageddon response you shall have. Armageddon, spoken of as God's day, his war against the wicked, read in Revelations 16:14, 16 and 19:11-21. It is also in reference to /meaning Tel [Mount] Megiddo. It is the war of the great day of God, El Shaddai in which the kings and leaders on earth, mainly those who put God's people to task in the worse ways will be getting their dues paid for in full. As for when it will happen, no one knows for sure, but the Bible tells us it is near and we are to keep on maintain our faith, to be vigilant and so forth, remain steadfast in what is true. We also can't make a claim of it going to happen this year or that year, etc, examples like the whole debacle in 2017 or 2012 where the literal claim of the world will end has been said, proclaimed, movies made, put into video games, etc, even going as far as to get the whole Planet X troop riled up, who they themselves think the earth as a whole would be replaced with another earth, or those who use the Eclipse as an excuse that the world would end. No one knows the day or the hour, but only God knows, the angels, nope, Jesus, nada, no one but Hashem, no one but Jesus' God, my God, your God, the God of each and every one of us here on this forum. There is no middle ground, you either for life or for death. And the implications and context is as clear as the sky in this sense. I see the early church as the bread of Christianity, the early Church, they too believed in God's Day and Judgement that will be unleashed unto the wicked for such was spoken on in the Scriptures that they themselves had. That being said, none of us knows the day or hour, playing the guessing game is of no help either. As for you have mentioned about 1975, that has been debunked for sometime now and the fact that a great deal went about to take down a very credible source on this matter was evident, it only shows who was in the right here, for no JW would be foolish to claim that Armageddon would happen in 1975, if that was the case it would have defeated the purpose of ceasing the gospel and or Great Commission, hence why I took information from the now long gone source and posted it here as legitimate proof. As for the other thing you mentioned before, Restorationist, as a organized group or a sole individual living in the outskirts of Yemen, none of them never, and ill ever claim to be inspired, it is not in the fabric of their Christology, nor in those who make the attempt to put into application of the early church, thus making any false claim immediately shot down when evidence is in use. If you have people, like Atheists who knows this stuff too, then surely you have a problem trying to make a claim of something that is unfounded, thus making the resolve invalid.

And this post has already been concluded, Ryan. The focus was of someone who is literally in a disabled state.

@Jack Ryan Well if someone says God has given them the power to go and commit injury to, I don't know, Muslims, they are mentally broken in some form. It isn't different from what Muslims call Trinitarians are Evil ridden, God hating Christians, or broken minded - granted they do not like people saying that God is somehow Triune.

Ironically, this verse point to several: Matthew 24:9, Acts 8:1 and Acts 12:1, 2 and finally, Acts 26:11. Now John 16:1 regarding that Strong's in a simple term is to be expelled from the congregation; away from the synagogue, expelled from the synagogue, excommunicated. With what was going down during that time it should serve to us as an example, to reflect, that all of us must do well to reflect on the life course those who had to deal with us back then and now and onward. We are put to task to imitate their example to remain strong and able under all forms of trial and to not allow any form of opposition or persecution, small or great, cause us to abandon our True God who is our Father and his Son and all that is in connection to them, even the church and we continue to serve, to trust and to obey so all will go well with us. As is the early church, that does the same and uses money to remain. So using money to enable the spreading of the Good News Gospel is somehow an bad thing to do? I answered this before. AS long as the money is in use and use wisely in terms of God's service, there is no problem with that, this also goes for Christians who are able to do free-will offerings and do not have to and or require to apply the law of Levites. God is aware there is a use of currency, after all, the Law of the Levities was a primitive form of currency and whole lot of bartering, an the fact that there was use of currency in the Temple and Synagogues during the days of Jesus, with a total of 12-13 treasure boxes and a large one to put everything in at the end of the day, guess what that money is used for primarily? To prove food and resources to the poor, and to prove for those who go out and speak of the gospel, and so forth. Like I told someone else before on here. If such a resource is that bad, what is it that is allowing you to even post a comment here, thus use the internet as a whole? We shouldn't be hypocritical about it, for there is good people who uses resources with good intent, and there is bad people also, who use the same resources for bad things. And yet in the Greek New Testament those, under Christ had doors to which people enter to learn what is true, again, the same thing is being applied today by Christians. No one is taking the spotlight here, for if you understood the Christ, he spoke of those who shepherd his flock, if the churches are taking the spotlight that you completely leaped over several parts of the New Testament. Examples, the Church of Corinth, they, after coming to their senses, had the help of Paul to fix themselves up and they serve God and take in the command of the Christ, they are not some separate Master, they are, putting into application what they, as Christians professed, for they are technically in union in serving God and the teachings is in fact that door, which leads to God and his Christ. Read for context, read the references, also John 10:16 and references was a dead giveaway too. The thing here is it is not sin that one must worry about, it is of interfaith things and or things of accursed teachings, some of which based off of opinions and emotions and shifting what the Bible says to fit some other agenda. I can give a clear example from our last discussion whereas your views is of both emotion and opinions, granted you are not a JW, and most likely have not sinned, but you coy yourself with what is actually accursed and tried to use several verses and passages in the Bible to justify something that is NOT of the church. Even during the days of the early church, the members followed the pastors who are in religious leadership and or office because the direction they give is of the scriptures and the teachings of the church is equal to that or an attempt, of which can be seen today with a small pocket of Christians. For Paul was a man, an Apostle, and yet you have people heeding his words, for his words was not based off of opinion ,as you suggested before, for Paul was a man who had God's Spirit on him and he speaks what is true of the Scriptures and thus the Church, and her people, put this into application, even taking said information from this man, Paul to up-build themselves and stop the errors they are committing, stepping away from what is accursed. So if the Christ entrusted such things such as Expelling aka excommunication, you do not abandon a command of such and or water it down or change it. It is as clear as it is in the passage and should not be overwrite by those who shed emotion/feelings that result to changing what such actually is. Anyone who follow the church and apply the teachings, striving to be like the church who was for all things of God's Word are pretty much an organized bunch of people, for the Jews and Gentiles were shattered and preached the Messianic Age and the good news gospel and they were organized, but all over the place. There are many organizations out there, but only a small few strives to do what the early Church has done. Also, as I always tell you..... Check your verses..... The rest of the items you mention is pretty much what you have been corrected on before and the obvious misuse of verses to fit your own emotion and opinions. That being said, your own teacher falls into the category, I do not care if had some form of affiliation with Jehovah's Witnesses, but her being very accepting things that is not of the church, and she's subtle with it shows that she has not did anything afterwards to understand the roots of Christendom in of itself. So I leave you with Galatians 1:1-11. I'll also leave you with this link so you can better understand what the Apostolic Church is all about and the fact that people are actually attempting to follow this exact church compared to mainstream and accursed ones such as new agers and the like. https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Apostolic-Age As for the word organization, remember what I had explained to you about God's Order of which your teacher sees it as something entirely different.

Apparently you didn't get the lesson on Apostle Paul, of which was explained to you in heavy, heavy detail. But I ill leave it at that. Remember, Paul spoke to buildup his brothers and sisters and we see the result in his second Epistle, and in his Epistle, he showed what the church did to make the change. Those who didn't, it is clear of what happened with them when Paul was around and the Binding and Loosening has taken place in the church. What Paul did, who was indeed of the Apostolic Age, is no different from what is being done today.

The verse as followed: Ecclesiastes 12:12 - My son, beware of anything beyond these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh. This verse is clear, in context, it warns us against the books that are a product of reasoning men and is in direct conflict with the wisdom of God, for such books keep people away from God and preventing people from keeping of God's commandments. On the other side of the spectrum, we have knowledge that is obtained which enables us to carry out of God’s commands, hence is weariness of the flesh. The very reason this verse harmoniously connects to another verse in Ecclesiastes, 1:18, which reads: For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow. With this verse in mind, we can also draw a conclusion to the context from King Solomon. For he was not the type to frown down on reading and taking in knowledge, but rather to be selective in some sense, knowing of what is good and bad, what to take in, so to speak. For we should be very careful in reading things that is true and or untrue, mainly things that harbor influence from things of this world, in in this matter, Traditions of Men.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. Interesting, did you have the video this whole time or manage to download it somehow before it got taken down by the Copyright troop? For if something is missing and or gone private, I know it cannot be downloaded. I do not know if you know this website, but Music Clips now referred to as mp3 converter, can turn YouTube videos into mp3s or mp4 and or other formats. An interesting tool, nonetheless.

It would seem someone has a lot to learn about Islam, perhaps I should refer you to Mansur, or maybe Hashim, or maybe Adnan Rashid.... Or the Ultimate weapon known as Hamza Myatt, this one will invite you for Dawah and not fish and chips.

A typical copy/saved screen straight off the website of Jehovah’s Witnesses to prove the whole suit and tie thing? I can tell you this, during your absence in July, I have been to Africa and I will educate you on the way people dress there and so forth. You can literally go to the website and wait a few seconds (or click the arrow), this same image appears on their little slideshow. It should occur to you that JWs (well you use to be one so how did that one slip through the cracks) are Evangelist, preachers, this guy clearly traveled to the farmland village and does not live there. @TrueTomHarley He pulled the image directly from the jw.org site's slideshow.... Anyone who pulls something from a main page that fast and easily is a classic move, if I may add. Africans in the city, which is not a village or shanty town as I said, there are those who take up items sent to Africa referred to as the Mitumba, the term in Swahili which literally meaning bundles, and this is usually referred  to plastic-wrapped packages containing used clothing donated by people in wealthy countries, moreover, the term is also applied to the clothing that arrives in these bundles, IÂ’ll even post you an image below so you can understand and see for yourself, such as yourself who has most likely never been to Africa. Like I said, you do not see such things such as suits and tie wearing persons in villages and shanty towns, for Mitumba is usually received in cities, for example, Tanzanian city of Dar es Salaam and several other cities, that are obviously not shanty towns or villages, as I have said already – unless, Mr. Butler, you have something more to share of suits and ties being in high use in villages and shanty towns, I am all ears and eyes. In addition, Mitumba are normally used and or seen worn by people in interior parts of Africa, not villages, not shanty towns. Most of the Mitumba originates in developed countries, like the United States, often comes from non-profit organizations, such as The Salvation Army and or anything of the like, granted Mitumba is often in high quantities when received by these non-profits. As for my experience, no one in farmlands and or such villages wear suit an ties, granted in the type of work they endure on a daily basis and or daily activities. Those who do live within the city and often travels through villages and or these small areas in parts of Africa, an example would be when I was in Kampala, there is people having fashionable things, however when you go to Nansana, you see very, very little, and nowhere in that area people is wearing a suit and tie whenever they have ceremonies and the like there, they use their traditional African attire – no one wore a suit and tie, as for me, I was wearing an African Mud-Cloth Poncho, it is not a suit an tie attire at all. If you have no idea what that is, IÂ’ll show you an image: If you must know, I wore this when traveling and to the wedding I went to while I was there, when I ran into people who wanted to know what the Bible is, I was wearing a casual, but loose dress shirt and black pants, with sandals. So IÂ’ll ask you since I wonÂ’t get an answer from Ryan, I want you to show me exactly people in shanty towns and or villages, you can throw in the farmlands and rural places outside of the city as to where someone in said country is sporting a suit and tie, letÂ’s throw in bowties also for fun. Otherwise the response still stands: As last time I checked, also, you do not see people wear suit and ties in a shanty town or rural village, the major will most likely stick to modest clothing in their village. But what can be said is passerbys usually come in from the city, by foot, by bike and or vehicle ride, such ones do not live in these small rural villages and or farmlands. Then that should have been spoken of from the very beginning, your glass of water tipped over on to yourself, Butler. Tell me something I don't know. Because of non-profit organizations within western societies that sell used clothes to for-profit in Africa, Mitumba is refereed to as White Man's clothes, there is a slang term for it, but it is not a good one, moreover, it is very common in parts of Africa, but it is solely in prominent use in the cities. As for suits, it goes way far back then that, for suits originated with the British, if my memory serves me correctly. I also suggest paying the Mother Land a visit. Not only I enjoyed myself but I learned more about my people's roots. For you, I know it would be a history lesson and perhaps something to tell the family and friends.

The actual story of Pocahontas is brutal and it isn't even her name. I use to have a Black Native American co-worker who goes off on a rant every 45 minutes regarding discrimination and racism, among all things, he goes on a tsunami sized rant regarding any negativity regarding Native Americans, such as the actual source of a Native women who became a sex slave and taken from her people only to die of a disease of what her captor's people suffered from. Other than that, not a political person, but I have to say, not a fan of Ms. Warren, she may be a good person, but some things are....questionable. As for the whole Ford and Kavanaugh, there are some facts that isn't being spoken of, some of which puts Ford in a position of being untruthful, although I do not like Kavanaugh, I feel as though, with what I had read up on, something is indeed not fitting well on the puzzle board. That being said, a lot of political theater, and Republicans vs. Democrats in this sense, and we have the Far Light and the Far Right.  MEANWHILE IN OTHER NEWS....... We have this guy:   But yeah the whole Ford/Kavanaugh, there are some facts and other information that raises question. And depending on who side one picks it will shift a whole lot of things, for us neutrals in the matter, we are going to get caught in the middle like an accidental bar fight.

The video must've vanish due to the Copyright Heroes and Internet, basement dwelling Trolls who have nothing better to do. The only chance you got is other sites that are somehow linked to Youtube that has the video by name even though the video is unreachable. Your other option would be to search https://d.tube/ however it is by chance. Know this, if it is said and or done and posted on the internet it is there and isn't 100% gone, just have to look elsewhere. As for original, I do not have a source, perhaps via keywords you can look it up, but it will not be easy.

The actual difference between Islam and Christendom is that Christians believe Jesus suffered and died, while Muslims do not believe Jesus died, but an impostor was placed on the stauros, and Jesus escaped. Muslims also believe that Jesus will come back, and that he will make everyone Muslims, while Christians believe Jesus will return to set things straight, rid of wickedness. Muslims believe in eternal paradise also, and they also believe in hellfire, while Christians, well it is different because of many denominations, but the truth of the matter is the earth will be the paradise and there is no hellfire torment, for anyone who reads knows exactly as to why God hates fire torment. Not all Muslims are of terror, this is the idea that is pressed on to the people by those who are Islamophobic, for their counterparts who are bad is no different from the Christian's Crusaders, the Ku Klux Klan, and or Christian Militants, for a several weeks ago, Christian Militant leader got busted for making child soldiers. As someone who dwells in a whole lot of, Dawah, what can be said it is very easy to correct you on the Qu'ran and the Islamic faith. At the very CORE of both sides, both Christians and Muslims believe there is one God who is True and this One God is the Father, no Jesus, or the Holy Spirit, only YHWH, the one you call Yahweh/Jehovah, to them it is Yahuh, or most commonly known, Allah. Christian means someone who believes and or has their faith based on God's Word and believe in the Christ. Muslim means someone who believes in and puts their faith in God and follow his Word, accordingly.

 well that too, but hat I was getting at was when one is trippin' he begins think he is the hero of his own story and then....  The moral of the story is, do not do drugs and do not smoke marijuana, otherwise your mind will be as scrambled as eggs in a pan.