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Some people get fancy with names, however, the name may not be serious for some, but the actions for the extreme types is insane, some actions I don't think anyone on this forum can stomach.

Yes there are many groups who combat CSA, you stumbled upon the semi non-violent one.
This is what I have been referring to for years. There was a boom in groups and factions from 2015 onward (present day) even that concerning vigilantism, even more because of the internet. Reasons being that child abuse as well as abuse towards Women will spawn these groups, more so, some of them bring their own version of justice, which at times, can be violent, hence why regarding CSA there are factions who want activism and or action taking to be aggressive whereas as some do not, the aggressive types then to be the ones who commit to violence, then you have the extreme, going on a warpath.
Keeping it PG, it does get violent with some for I will not speak of the actions of a few, who do have blood on their hands from legitimate abusers and those unproved to have abused a child, like the PES members.
There were people who recorded these executions, even putting it on YouTube granted they see this as justice against pedophiles, but not much is said for alleged ones, whereas there was no proof of them abusing children and they lost their lives anyway.
 
 

For the first time, today i saw a stand at an outdoor market, for 'Urban Bulldogs Against Kids Abuse'.  This is a biker organisation. Now this is here in sleepy Devon England. 
As much as I want to see children protected, this biker organisaton sets alarms ringing for me. 
 

For humans, the older you get, the more of the threat of being rounded up and put into an interment camp appears to be a good alternative to going to a rest home your children have picked out.
Dogs have the advantage however because we know we will be loved and cared for at the home of those who love and care for us until the very end, and if necessary they will take us to the vet to be painlessly put down before  we start to rot while  still alive.
A very great kindness, not available to most humans.
 

@Space Merchant If you don't like the IICSA that is your problem.  I think they are trying their best to do a good job. If I can give them and the Police information then I will, because I think it's the Christian thing to do and I also think it's a legal requirement. 
Tell me what investigations / organisations the USA has that are investigating CSA in religion ?  
As for the 'grooming gangs' here in UK, most are non-white, non-english, this seems to have been proven in court cases. But when poeple say that they get accused of racism.  And yes, the UK government is currupt, and greedy, dishonest and selfish, but then so are all politicians earthwide. But once again that is all part of the world, and i don't get involved. 
The main point that I'm concerned with is that True Christians need a Clean True Organisation guided by True Anointed ones, led by God's Holy Spirit, through Christ. 
Anything outside of that is part of the world. If a person starts to get involved in trying to 'put things right' in the world, then that person will be side tracked from trying to serve God properly.  
We ARE living in the Last Days. Whether it will be another ten years or another thirty years. So trying to put worldly things right is just a waste of time. You said yourself CSA will get worse. In fact all things will get worse. So the concentration should be on building an Organisation that serves God properly through Christ. And that Organisation needs to be completely clean. i have faith that it will happen. 
 

Anyone read into this? Before the media started talking about it, this circulated online in several communities, even among the YouTube community by some. Not only this woman is missing, she was mental unstable. She was said to have been interviewed by a police officer prior to being missing. The Boyfriend, Brian Laundrie, returned home with the van to his family. The timeline of this missing persons case is both suspect and bizarre, even in the community I am in, some are confused as they wait for more information. Regarding Brian Laundrie, with the story going around, he applied the remain silent, so it seems to be going for the Miranda Warning/Miranda Rights (You have the right to remain silent) therefore he isn't speaking with the police after the Gabby went missing for an extent amount of time (the right which he is under to not speak to them ) and most likely giving information to an attorney around this time (another right which allows him to have access to an attorney). The Petito family is also calling out to the Laundrie Family, who, in this regard, succumb to bystander syndrome in this case. Granted this is a labyrinth of a situation, he is technically innocent until proven guilty.
The below is from a crime watch source. Also best to pass this information along to someone who lives in that area who can take part in a search, if need be.
‘Mental health crisis.’ New documents show missing 22-year-old and boyfriend were in an argument in Utah
 
Gabby Petito and boyfriend Brian Laundrie. | Instagram MOAB, Utah— New documents released by the Moab Police Department in Utah outline what happened before a 22-year-old New York woman went missing.
Gabby Petito and her boyfriend, Brian Laundrie, went on a cross-country road trip in their white van, which they retrofitted for camping. They visited national parks in various places in the West. Laundrie came back to Florida, where the couple lives, with the white van but not with Petito. Click here for previous coverage.
RELATED: Missing woman’s family says her boyfriend refuses to say what happened as police investigation deepens
  Moab Police said Wednesday that they responded to an “incident” involving Petito and Laundrie on Aug. 12.
“The details outline a disorderly conduct call,” police said in a report. “Officers were dispatched to a domestic problem that had taken place near Moonflower Co-Op.”
  One officer wrote, “The driver of the van, a male, had some sort of argument with the female, Gabbie, as I recall. The male tried to create distance by telling Gabbie to go take a walk to calm down. She didn’t want to be separated from the male and began slapping him. He grabbed her face and pushed her back as she pressed him and the van. He tried to lock her out and succeeded except for his driver’s door. She opened that and forced her way over him and into the vehicle before it drove off.”
Police said Petito was “thinking he was going to leave her in Moab without a ride. As Gabrielle started to swing, Brian pushed her away to avoid the slap.”
The report continues to state that a witness saw Petito and Laundrie arguing over a phone. Petito reported that she was struggling with her mental health, which led to the incident that was reported to officers. Petito was in a “confused and emotional state” and couldn’t “stop crying, breathing heavily, or compose a sentence without needing to wipe away tears, wipe her nose or rub her knees with her hands,” police said.
  Police redacted details about Petito’s mental and emotional issues, though Petito and Laundrie told them she suffered from “serious anxiety,” Laundrie had some issues as well and neither was taking medication.
Laundrie told officers that he and Petito spent the last four to five months together traveling. The time spent created emotional strain between them and increased the number of arguments. However, “No one reported that the male struck the female — both the male and the female reported they are in love and engaged to be married and didn’t wish to see anyone charged with a crime,” police said.
“I do not believe the situation escalated to the level of a domestic assault as much as that of a mental health crisis,” one of the officers said.
Officers suggested the two separate for the night, and they both agreed to separate until the following day. Gabby had the van, while Laundrie was taken to a hotel by an officer. Nobody was charged in the incident.
READ THE INCIDENT REPORT FROM MOAB POLICE
Investigators in North Port, Florida, are naming Laundrie a person of interest in the case. He has not answered any questions for police regarding the disappearance of his girlfriend. Laundrie has hired a lawyer.
The Petito and Schmidt family released the following statement to media outlets on Wednesday:
“Every day the search for Gabby continues the Schmidt and Petito family becomes more desperate. They are frantically searching for answers and information in their daughter’s disappearance while Brian sits in the comfort of his home.
  Brian claims he wants to sit in the background while we search for Gabby in the wilderness of the Grand Teton and Yellowstone national parks.
Brian left Gabby in the wilderness with grizzly bears and wolves while he sits in the comfort of his home. In his home!
Brian, how could you do this to Gabby? You selfishly remain silent while Gabby is all alone in the wilderness.
Brian, your silence is reprehensible! We beg you to do the right thing and help us bring Gabby home.
Brian, whatever happened in Wyoming, happened. The only thing you can control is what you do now. Tell us where Gabby is.
You tarnish (your) love for her with your silence.”
The national search into the disappearance of Petito is spanning across several states. The North Port Police department in Florida is heading the investigation, along with the FBI.
RELATED: Urgent search for missing woman who was in Grand Teton National Park
Petito’s white van was recovered at her home on Saturday, Sept. 11, the same day she was reported missing. The home is shared with Laundrie and his parents.
North Point Police said in a news release on Facebook on Wednesday that the van has been fully processed for evidence on Tuesday evening.
 
 
Police said they know Brian returned to North Port on Sept. 1, 10 days before Petito’s family reported Petito missing on Saturday. Currently, there is no information that a crime occurred in North Port.
The white van. | Courtesy North Port Police Department “As a father, I can imagine the pain and suffering Gabby’s family is going through. We are pleading with anyone, including Brian, to share information with us on her whereabouts in the past few weeks. The lack of information from Brian is hindering this investigation. The answers will eventually come out. We will help find Gabby and we will help find anyone who may be involved in her disappearance,” says North Port Police Chief Todd Garrison.
According to family, they were in contact with Petito the last week of August. Before the last communication, Petito is believed to have been in Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming. A family friend told EastIdahoNews.com that Petito’s stepfather, Jim Schmidt, flew into Jackson, Wyoming, to help investigators in the search for Petito at the park.
Petito is known to be very active on social media, but her last post dates to Aug. 25. Her Instagram also became deactivated at one point, and investigators are researching why. Currently, Petito’s account is back on and normal, and it doesn’t appear that investigators took over the account.
The last Instagram post from Petito on Aug. 25 shows her in front of a butterfly mural in Ogden, Utah called The Monarch. The Monarch posted on Facebook and said they are looking through security footage.
 
 
The FBI has set up a national hotline to receive tips, 1-800-CALLFBI (225-5324).
Petito and Brian were traveling in a white 2012 Ford Transit van with Florida license plate QFTG03. Gabrielle, 22, is white, about 5 feet 5 inches tall and 110 pounds. She has blond hair and blue eyes, and several tattoos, including one on her finger and one on her forearm that reads, “Let it be.”

@BroRando Although 2034 is far away, do you believe some JWs would survive what the United Nations is planning to do? For by 2030, as is the nearing years to come near it; there is going to be huge changes that will effect the majority of the unaware, even the religious. For Babylon and the White Beast do have tactics against those who are not for them, and the mandate situation and interment camps for some is just a foreshadowing.
I say this because of what happened in the early 00s and 2016.

Thanks for posting this. On this forum one might even forget that the Catholics have a problem. Also, I've seen statistics that are surprisingly detailed for some religious organizations, reminding me that JWs aren't the only ones who keep records on such issues, including from among their congregants/laymen/parishioners.

@Srecko Sostar @Pudgy For a better understanding of what is mentioned, here is one of my old quotes and the link. Matthew at the time assume this to be not true, mocked me for it even, but Truthers are often mocked for such things just like recent events concerning Australia and Afghanistan.
Like I told @Patiently waiting for Truth there are many things around the globe not being talked about at 100% in relation to all things, and soon, when people are backed into a corner, some things that are unclean and evil will not be contain properly.
As a side note, the media says this project was shut down, they essentially pulled a Don Lemon.
 
Sounds crazy and unbelieve - to some yes. Stuff like this should not be ignored or played around with.

This - https://revealnews.org/article/california-court-guts-child-abuse-ruling-against-jehovahs-witnesses/

There is a lot in regards to them that is somewhat confusing and contradicting. Even centuries ago, Bishops took issue with them, namely Irenaeus.
I brought this up before to a Trinitarian who I debated with concerning who is the Christ
 
Regarding Gnosticism it is a Christian view that isn't aligned with the core teachings, despite the fact some Gnostics believe that it does, namely Valentinus, a theologian of Gnosticism, who saw the beliefs being equal to that of Christianity.
Those who hold faith in the Gnostic view and adhere to its writings surged, resulting in them getting tangled with Christians in that time, this includes some Christian groups in the Mediterranean world, however until mid-late 2nd century, the Fathers of the early Church and or Bishops denounced them as heresy, which goes with what Irenaeus of Lyons had said about Gnosticism in his works. Others also destroyed some of their works, so unlike the Bishops, such ones took it to an extreme; cannot sleep at night knowing that written works of Gnosticism existed, they had to burn it.
Gnostics today believe they're view equates toc ore teachings, however, they are among the many misguided Christians today.
In short, after the Apostles died, things complicated up until and after the councils.
When you debate Mainstream Christians and Trinitarians for years, their response is always the same. Other times they can be deceptive and deviate from things, Bible wise.
To this day I still keep getting challenged by a UK woman who goes by the name Princess_Sherly, right now, in her words Isaiah 9:6, which confirms Jesus is GOD, you saying it doesn't mean that is you lying in the face of God. REPENT!
2 years ago there was a huge debate on God sending angels to take action, be it to speak a message, or deal with enemies of God's people. The open debate which she started at the time consisted of Unitarians, Jews, Muslims, and islanders who were against the Trinity, there was one JW who was in the debate as well, I believe his name was John Bee. She stated the angels were the Trinity. She pointed out The Trinity were the 3 men in Genesis who later destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, which is incorrect because we know the 3 men to be Angels, for God himself is not a man, the Bible even says this. In regards to the others there, she stated YHWH didn't mean Yahweh or Jehovah, it means Jesus, and she got demolished by everyone for saying that, and of course, the Muslims were clowning around because of that.
But she kept insisting. She later appeared in another debate video regarding a JW vs a Trinitarian, something of which I alluded to in my debate with @Cos regarding that Jesus is God's Son, not God himself.
That being said, this is why when debaters say someone can't debate, mainly if the exegesis is null or reasoning, those who step into the ring often make a fool of themselves, and when correct, they still abide by what is wrong, in turn, become road runners.

There is a lot in regards to them that is somewhat confusing and contradicting. Even centuries ago, Bishops took issue with them, namely Irenaeus.
I brought this up before to a Trinitarian who I debated with concerning who is the Christ
 
Regarding Gnosticism it is a Christian view that isn't aligned with the core teachings, despite the fact some Gnostics believe that it does, namely Valentinus, a theologian of Gnosticism, who saw the beliefs being equal to that of Christianity.
Those who hold faith in the Gnostic view and adhere to its writings surged, resulting in them getting tangled with Christians in that time, this includes some Christian groups in the Mediterranean world, however until mid-late 2nd century, the Fathers of the early Church and or Bishops denounced them as heresy, which goes with what Irenaeus of Lyons had said about Gnosticism in his works. Others also destroyed some of their works, so unlike the Bishops, such ones took it to an extreme; cannot sleep at night knowing that written works of Gnosticism existed, they had to burn it.
Gnostics today believe they're view equates toc ore teachings, however, they are among the many misguided Christians today.
In short, after the Apostles died, things complicated up until and after the councils.
When you debate Mainstream Christians and Trinitarians for years, their response is always the same. Other times they can be deceptive and deviate from things, Bible wise.
To this day I still keep getting challenged by a UK woman who goes by the name Princess_Sherly, right now, in her words Isaiah 9:6, which confirms Jesus is GOD, you saying it doesn't mean that is you lying in the face of God. REPENT!
2 years ago there was a huge debate on God sending angels to take action, be it to speak a message, or deal with enemies of God's people. The open debate which she started at the time consisted of Unitarians, Jews, Muslims, and islanders who were against the Trinity, there was one JW who was in the debate as well, I believe his name was John Bee. She stated the angels were the Trinity. She pointed out The Trinity were the 3 men in Genesis who later destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, which is incorrect because we know the 3 men to be Angels, for God himself is not a man, the Bible even says this. In regards to the others there, she stated YHWH didn't mean Yahweh or Jehovah, it means Jesus, and she got demolished by everyone for saying that, and of course, the Muslims were clowning around because of that.
But she kept insisting. She later appeared in another debate video regarding a JW vs a Trinitarian, something of which I alluded to in my debate with @Cos regarding that Jesus is God's Son, not God himself.
That being said, this is why when debaters say someone can't debate, mainly if the exegesis is null or reasoning, those who step into the ring often make a fool of themselves, and when correct, they still abide by what is wrong, in turn, become road runners.

They do, the only reason it is problematic in the UK because most of the time, even if reported it is dropped. Mainly when it comes to status. I am aware of CSA in the other countries, I was the one who also gave you insight a while back, hence the Congo; I said this to Tom as well
These people still run rampant in the UK, no harm to them at all. It is speculated by some Truthers in the UK that even those of political status are involved, reasons we target Prince Andrew and those like him.
This is why whatever the media gives you, there is more to it. There are reasons why child abuse is always reported by media for various schools and churches, but never specific persons. Some are afraid to give insight because they fear death, it is that bad. CSA also goes into a deeper aspect to Spiritism in some parts of the UK.
I wasn't referring to women in this regard, I was talking about women who sell off their children, child prostitution. Sadly, some children do this willingly because they were taught that this was the correct thing to do, granted there is a level of child abuse whereas you can't do anything or even the law, hence in some cases you can end up in harm's way, mainly if not paying attention to red flags.
Child abuse in the churches of JWs was always problematic because with all religious institutions, it is an open place for anyone to enter. Pedophiles can enter these places of worship and abusers can easily manipulate people and the children inside to gain religious office or a position. Should the person be found out to be an abuser in some cases, manipulation is amplified and the abuser can at times exploits the people around him or her to remain. JWs in this sense are hardwire by Scripture regarding Forgiveness of Sin, in fact, all Christians apply Forgiveness of Sin, therefore the abuser can find a crack in the faith's armor here (someone made a thread about this a while back). When exploited , abusers who hold even a position in the church, Elders or Pastors, if successful can be reinstated, pretending that they repented for their sins only to commit the same acts again, granted the others are already exploited it puts them in a loop, thus becoming a puppet to the abuser, resulting in more children becoming effect.
That being said, as long as abusers exploits forgiveness of sin after manipulating people, they can easily return to a religious institution, it is a bit different with educational institutions or that of business, for those reinstated, likewise with Facebook, YouTube, and others, in regards to YouTube, someone had been reinstated recently, got his channel back after some of us fought this guy in an attempt for him to be terminated.
That being said, granted no JW has went back to their churches since, abusers go by other means to seek children, even going to other institutions who complied to commit their acts.
Didn't you or Srecko said before it was destroyed?
That being said, institutions usually have records, in some cases, incomplete at times, mainly if some cases were alleged and may or may not have happened. In regards to the law such information should be accurate, and should it be released by them or the law, it has to be done in a way that it doesn't spawn vigilantes or modern day blood avengers, for there were many instances of this in the past. Even in the Law/Justice system they have records of their own members, if alleged they wouldn't be quick to bring forth in an unprepared manner.
We discussed about ARC, if I remember correctly JWs were at 1% compared to others. the highest was Catholics, however, not everyone takes ARC into full account, mainly the case studies, they tend to pick what they want to talk about and ignore the rest. One of the reasons why on study regarding JWs people barely talked about. You brought up ARC before.
That being said, Australia CSA is increasing like crazy due to what is taking place now, which, in this sense, makes ARC look small in comparison. the abuse stems from both sex and violence and suppression to the point a child can take his or her own life. That will eventually hit the UK and the US.
Most records can be incomplete.
Because at the time Bible Students early on were unequipped and unaware of child abuse. Granted how early they started, CSA may not have been a problem among them granted all Christian faiths that came out of the Great Awakening or Christian revival  had good intentions at first.
On their side in regards to what exactly? There churches are closed, so it is reduced. If I remember, I was the one who brought for solutions from child abuse prevention, but both you and Srecko shut it down and did not apply. Those solutions aided many people, even children I deal with. In another thread you were told what you are doing concerning CSA, some of us here take action, I even said this to you regarding the Redress.
My thread can be found in my quotation here, in order to save a child, you have to reach one:
 
That being said, better to take action then to armchair the situation. Reaching a child enables him or her to detect an abuser, likewise with an adult who can see red flags. Be it in an institution or online.
As for YouTube, the person we terminated from the platform is known as EDP445, YouTube assume he was repentful so they brought him back. There is another, whom, ironically, 3 ExJWs defended because the abuser was a woman, a call back to my FBI remark; women get off free by some, even by law in some cases.

When you say, "none of them went back to their churches," are you speaking of the alleged perpetrators or the alleged victims as being the
➡ "none of them [that] went back to their churches?"
So the churches you are referring to would be the Kingdom Hall's, correct?
 
 

Something we Truthers talked about for years. Welcome to the Dystopia. Germany, Israel, United Kingdom, some most of the EU will succumb to come form of Authoritarianism. The Aussies also claimed New World Order, and attempt to make their own fact check of the term when all of us know what it entails.
When it hits the United States, all hell will break loose. Things we see today such as violence, stealing, sex abuse, rape, bribery, greed, etc will be amplified due to the various groups on the left and the right that roam.
The media such as Guardian, NYT, CNN, ABC, etc will play a role in influence, and before we know it, the United Nations may once again attempt to dent specific freedoms as they had attempted to do so twice already.
Truthers are always ready for these things, however, I can't speak for the rest of the people who are not.
Currency and Religion will eventually be on the menu for Authoritarianism, granted religious exemptions are under attack, which has and can break people of faith if not careful.

You have my utmost respect for bringing up this known Truther. I have met Luke Rudkowski before back in 2016, he got information from the people of my mother's country exposing what the US has been doing via siphoning resources, video of this linked. Those who worked with him were the reason I got involved with the Truther community to begin with when I aided with pressing matters.
That being said, for a few years now we've been trying to keep We Are Change alive, so far, YouTube has not stopped us yet.

And how is it I can't be trusted because you assume Satan was in Egypt?
Yes, no one in their right mind, but your own statements say otherwise, as pointed out. You did the same with Isaiah 33:1, and now 1 Corinthians 10:6-10.
I need not say much, the fact you purposely ignored your own words says otherwise - evident because not once you made a comment on your own quotes. What is next, you are going to say that you never alluded to New Ageism when you said individual will become both human and angel despite the quotation of you saying it is present? This is what happens when you go about your own exegesis, it only spells disaster for you, as is with mixing verses. There is a reason as to why no one wants to make comment on your quotes.
As I told you before, like I tell everyone exposed for being an MSC, you are misguided, and the fact you are for a former JW, proves the narrative spoken of by many in CSE and outside of it. MSC folk are no different from each other.
Go to your Bible and pay attention to the references because if you didn't know about the Bronze Serpent, let alone the Passover, this only means you need to do your own DD in Biblical study and research.
That being said, if you speak of trust, I can easily quote you on an older remark, one you do not want to hear, so scabbard yourself on that. A better response would be the application of 1 John 4:1, yet, that is unknown to you.

Exactly however, when religious opponents see something they can make a comparison to, they're quick to equate things, this seems to be the case concerning this Mediterranean rooted faith in question. This is usually professed by a majority of Trinitarians, which is not surprising because OP is one himself.
That being said, among all Anti-Trinitarian faiths, Gnostics have hatred for JWs, especially in the EU. This is why in London a lot of them often seek debate with JWs a while back, other times they use whatever information to attack them, and seeing that most media do not like Christianity or the Bible if it is not in their view, Gnostics who go on this warpath will weaponize whatever they can find.
Among some, people need to be careful with Gnostics, often times they are tricky to deal with.

They’re not gnostic. They have no special secret source of knowledge. However, the Bible itself speaks to them in a way in does not speak to most. That’s not gnostic, but it leans a little that way.

source https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/how-will-south-australias-home-quarantine-trial-work/100398878
 
 

Nice reply Tom. I was just going to reply w/this...
But your reply is better.

After briefly scanning all of the above, I have one question. 
What is a MSC?

Possibly Main Stream Christianity = Catholic / Protestant.