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  1. JOHN BUTLER
    Luke 20 v 35. I think you misuse that scripture. Surely that is saying those counted worthy of the heavenly calling will never marry... Because they will be spirit persons.... Or are you suggesting that humans will never marry in the 'New world' here on Earth. If so then isn't that going against God's 'original plan' for men and women ? Only those in God's memory will be resurrected - hence memorial tombs. Yes but not only good people. If the penalty of sin is death, then by dying surely a person had paid the price for their sins. Hence will they have the one thousand years to be taught Jehovah's ways and to change to becoming a 'servant of the true God' ? Matthew 25 v 41 Is talking about the judgement day ( Armageddon ) not those being resurrected. And people will be judged individually. There will be a judgement or testing at the end of the 1000 years for all humans.
  2. JOHN BUTLER
    Yes it seems that the GB of the JW Org think they own God. And this must relate to the other discussion about whether the GB have put themselves in the place of Jesus Christ. We know that no one comes to the Father except through the Son. So we approach Jehovah through Jesus Christ. And, Jesus Christ has been given power and authority to judge us all. Um, no mention of being a member of the Org here. We will all be judged as individuals either by Christ or the Angels, if the Angels have been given authority to do so. However i was talking (calmly) about this with my wife over dinner. It would be sensible for God to have a useable organisation here on earth at the time of Judgement... If as it seems, the GB, and therefore at present the JW Org, are not suitable for purpose, then what will Jehovah / Jesus Christ do ? The GB are stumbling so many that they must be blood guilty of much. Hundreds of people are leaving the JW Org earthwide. This is because congregants can see the GB and elders are acting against the instructions given by Christ. So therefore if someone leaves the Org for the right reasons, as I did, I cannot see that Jehovah or Jesus Christ would punish them. Or do you think people should continue to offer children to Molech just to please the GB.
  3. JOHN BUTLER
    Or maybe some do it (GB of JW Org) to pay off the fines and pay off the victims of Child Abuse. And it's funny how many payments are done in secret with the victims not allowed to tell how much they received..... Well that money has to come from somewhere. I do believe even the individual congregations are not allowed to keep their own money now. They have to hand over any 'extra' that they may have been keeping for repairs etc... So remember folks when you put your money in the little box, you are paying to keep those pedophiles hidden in the congregations................
  4. JOHN BUTLER
    I really do have a laugh at your comments. Although to read that you say i am right is nice. However from line three onward it seems as if you are writing just for the fun of it. which is fine of course, but it makes no sense to me. The only reason why that I can fathom is that the GB love having control over people. And, like the Pharisees, they make up their own rules known as 'the traditions of men'. Traditions of men in the JW Org :- Men must wear a suit and tie. Women are not allowed to wear trousers, must wear dress or skirt. A witness must be dressed in a tidy manner at all times (even though Peter went fishing naked). A Man is not allowed to be alone with a Woman he is not married to, unless it suits the elders of course.. A Witness can only celebrate the things the GB say they can. Oh there is of course much more of the same... But, if you are saying that every man only has a woman friend to have sex with, then that is a narrow minded viewpoint. But it seems to be the viewpoint of the GB. To accuse people of having sex just because they have been in the same building together seems a bit OTT in my viewpoint. And then what of two brothers or two sisters ? Would the GB accuse them of the same these days ? I've known brothers that live together in the same house, oh dear ! The question should arise as to WHY do the GB and the Elders not believe a child or adult when that one reports Child abuse ? The obvious answer is, that it is more convenient for the Org not to believe it, and therefore not to act on it. As for me, I'm not important. The scriptures tell us that none of us are important. So what is important of course is the sanctification of God's name and trying to serve God to the best of our ability. This brings me back to square one. The GB are doing neither of the above. They are trying to clean the outside of the dish or cup but not cleaning the inside. Jesus called such people hypocrites. It really stuns me that some people cannot see that the GB are bringing shame on Jehovah's name. They are also stumbling so many people.
  5. JOHN BUTLER
    If you do not believe me then it seems you are calling me a liar. This is general practice for JW's that don't want to believe something. It starts with the GB and follows through with the elders. The Two Witness rule being a good example. Do you honestly think the Two Witness rule was meant to be used in a Child Abuse case ? And yet it is not used when a couple are accused of fornication. However, I shall say again. I left the JW Org because of the Child Abuse / Pedophilia problem Earthwide. I found out how serious the problem was by doing three months research online... It was impossible to talk about it in the congregation because it would have been a 'crime' worthy of disfellowshipment. Are you American ? (I never bother trying to dig into people's personal info'). The reason i ask is because Americans are raised on the thinking of 'Collateral damage' being ok. So it seems with you, if you are in agreement with the GB. However Jesus said .... But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who have faith, it would be better for him if a millstone that is turned by a donkey were put around his neck and he were pitched into the sea. (Mark 9 v 42) Your GB seem to think otherwise. They think it is ok to ruin lives by allowing pedophiles to be hidden in the JW Org. Oh, how many people have been stumbled by this ? How much blood does your GB have on their hands ? So you see, I honestly and sincerely could not go out and teach others, with the intention of bringing them into an Org, that allows such wicked things to happen. I did not want to be responsible for giving people a false sense of security, knowing the safety of their children could be at such risk.... Whether you believe me is of no importance of course. What is important is that God Himself knows the truth of the matter and either He or Jesus Christ will judge me on it.
  6. JOHN BUTLER
    No disrespect but i do wish you would keep the topic on the Jehovah's Witnesses only when the topic is such. There is no point telling what other 'religions' do, or what the outside world does. Surely you would know that the JW's are supposed to be 'no part of this word' and should not be influenced by anyone other than God and Jesus Christ, and the Bible.
  7. JOHN BUTLER
    Unfortunately, in my opinion as I've said before, and as the scripture says, the GB have become the 'wicked slave' that says the master is delaying, then the wicked slave starts to beat his fellow slaves etc etc.. "and keep the congregations morally and spiritually clean" you say. Then explain to me the whole situation of the Child Abuse / pedophilia problem in their Org. And why the GB refused to hand over the twenty years worth of documents pertaining to same, when the Supreme Court of California demanded it. After all the scriptures say to 'be obedient to the law of the land as long as it doesn't conflict with God's law. The Pedophilia problem has been hidden in the JW Org for much longer than i know. But in 1997 the GB started collecting all the USA accusations together. The 'orders' were given that the elders must keep quiet about it all and not reveal any Pedophiles within their own congregation. Congregants were ordered not to inform the police and not to go to any outside authority. Children and adults that didn't have 'two witnesses' were called liars. Those same people were disfellowshipped when they wanted justice. And you pretend that the GB were "just doing their job they feel they have been assigned by Christ". Hypocrisy at its best.
  8. JOHN BUTLER
    Spoken like an elder or puppet of the GB. This is my personal case : I left the Org after doing three months research into the Child Abuse accusations Earthwide in the JW Org. In my opinion the GB were responsible for most of it and the elders just acted as puppets for the GB. I could no longer see the GB as the 'faithful and discreet slave class' because of their actions and instruction to others. "By their works you will know them"... I did not spread any message in the congregation, so I did not cause division. I emailed as many elders as I could and told them I was 'resigning' from the JW Organisation. This does not mean I was or am turning against God or Jesus Christ. I just left the JW Org. ... The elders didn't ask me for a reason, they just called me in to 'do the paperwork'. I had to sign a copy of the email that I'd sent which one of them had printed. Prior to me 'resigning' I had told a few 'brothers' that i intended to resign, not giving them a full explanation... This was so that those people that mattered to me would know I had not been disfellowshipped for sinning against God... Now we all know that the GB has told all elders how to announce it only one way from the platform. So and so 'is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses'. This is a deliberate ploy so that everyone will SHUN that person. No one would know if the person left of their own choice or was disfellowshipped for 'wrong conduct'. So of course no one would then speak to such a person. Total shunning. Even those that knew I was 'resigning' do not speak to me. I repeat total SHUNNING. Why ? Not because of anything I've done, but out of fear of the elders and the thought of themselves being disfellowshipped. I am strong enough to cope and have a good wife. I can cope. Many cannot cope, they suffer badly. But of course to the American mind, of which most of the GB are, it is just collateral damage... The same as is the Child Abuse victims.
  9. JOHN BUTLER
    The problem with JW Org is the thing taught is Not To Think. Just Obey. Don't ya know that the GB are the 'faithful slave' they get all the communications direct from God. They gotta b right en it. That's how it taught. Don't think about what you can celebrate and what you can't because we will TELL you what to celebrate and what not to. Don't think about how to do the ministry because we will TELL you how to do your ministry. Don't think about who you can talk to or mix with because we will TELL you who you can talk to and mix with. Don't think about what clothes to wear because we will TELL you what clothes to wear. Well I think you might just get the idea from those examples. The thing that the GB hates is if congregants start to think for themselves. Because that's when the GB starts to lose their hold over people. They lose a little bit of power and control every time someone thinks for themselves. That's why people get disfellowshipped for asking too many questions. Oh dear that's 'causing a division in the congregation'. Disfellowship them. Off with their heads.
  10. JOHN BUTLER
    Yes it is a mess caused by the GB inventing things 'beyond the things written'. When i was still a brother it was announced from the platform that one of our daughters was 'no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses'. This daughter was actually acting as a foster parent to a child which was born to one of our other daughters, so it was a deeply involved situation. I made it known to everyone that i would not shun my daughter who was no longer a Witness because she needed our help in many ways. The GB should not make these blanket rules which only put burden on people shoulders.
  11. JOHN BUTLER
    Anna, there are so many different families living in so many different ways that the GB has no right to give blanket orders as to what a person should or should not do. Where grandchildren are involved, old parents involved, so many different things. I still say that Jesus said we should 'Love our enemies and pray for them'. So why would Jesus want us to ignore or shun our families ?
  12. JOHN BUTLER
    You have changed what you first said, to what you personally think you should do. Firstly you said a child should be shunned. Now you are saying that you have the right to shun. Two totally different things. Of course you have the right to do as you wish, but do you have the right to make rules for others ? I ask you has Jehovah given you that right ? I think you might just be an elder the way you misuse scripture. The Matthew 10 scripture surely is aimed at a family in which some accept the JW version of the 'truth' and some bitterly oppose it. Something strange in my ex congregation. A woman is a sister and has been for many years. Her husband is not interested in the 'truth' from the JW Org. However the husband goes to all the friendly gatherings of his wife's group and is well accepted. Isn't he as bad as a disfellowshipped person ? Surely he is bad association if he does not want to know about God and God's purpose ? But because he has never been a JW he is allowed and accepted to be part of the gatherings. I find it amusing your comment about if a family member was a Child Abuser. And this is where i think you are an elder. Your concern is only about that he might drag down the reputation of the congregation.. You say you would shun him, but you do not say you would report him to the police or outside authorities.... This below was someone else's comment on the previous page. Think about it. We must not overlook the sobering fact that, at the present time, the words of Romans 13:3-4 still hold true regarding the secular authorities: "For those rulers are an object of fear, not to the good deed, but to the bad. Do you want to be free of fear of the authority? Keep doing good, and you will have praise from it; for it is God’s minister to you for your good. But if you are doing what is bad, be in fear, for it is not without purpose that it bears the sword. It is God’s minister, an avenger to express wrath against the one practicing what is bad." How true this is, so why oh why did the GB withhold so much information from those secular authorities ? Maybe everyone should shun the Governing Body ?
  13. JOHN BUTLER
    The GB and the elders have no right in doing this to you. They are putting a strain on your marriage. Maybe you can ask her what scriptures the elders use when they tell her not to talk to you about such things. My wife is not baptised so she does not feel the pressure so much but still the elders try to cause a division in my household. Maybe you should have a lazy week and when your wife returns just say that as she was not home to work why should you do all of it :)
  14. JOHN BUTLER
    Are you saying that a disfellowshipped child SHOULD be shunned ? If so, what gives you the right to make that decision ? Has God through Jesus Christ given you authority ? Show me three scriptures that you base your decision on. Not one but three. Jesus said to love our enemies and to even pray for them. Would Jesus tell us to disown our families ? I think not.
  15. JOHN BUTLER
    So many times the GB make it up as they go along. In my opinion it shows they are not the 'Faithful and discreet slave class'. They are more like the wicked slave class that says 'the master is delaying' and then they start to mistreat the congregation.
  16. JOHN BUTLER
    I thought this was interesting because it doesn't appear to be in the talk outline. Admittedly, I just skimmed through the outline quickly, so it might be in there. Either way, there is something twisted about comparing the shunning of children to casting out demons from heaven. Edit: For those wondering, this talk is from August 5. The part before when the transcript starts is Herd talking about King Asa removing his grandmother from her position. Here we have a fine example of the GB acting like the Pharisees by lumping heavy loads on peoples backs. So many people criticize me when i say this, but this is a good example of the GB making it up as they go along. So, do you really think the GB are the 'faithful and discreet slave' ? Would Jesus have told people to treat their families in this way when he told people to love their enemies ?Â
  17. JOHN BUTLER
    (Eph 5 v11) So the scriptures tell us to 'make things known', but for anyone that does they get disfellowshipped for 'Causing a division within the congregation'. And the GB has made its own 'rules' telling congregants not to report Child Abuse to the police or outside authorities. But if a member of a congregation reports child abuse to an elder nothing gets done about it, especially if the pedophile is and elder.... This has been proven in court rooms many times now.. Well as the scripture at Luke 8 v 17 says " For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest, nor anything carefully concealed that will never become known and not come out in the open". Its good to see so much being revealed. Maybe the GB will answer for their crimes.
  18. JOHN BUTLER
    What is known as a 'wind up merchant' then.
  19. JOHN BUTLER
    Some on here say i go completely off topic. But this post is not about masturbation and pornography on the bigger scale of things, its about the Video the GB of JW Org may have made. So it seems you have gone off topic, and it could be said that you are using the topic to tell how much work you do concerning the subject. However, the topic is not about how seriously you take it, it is about the JW Video. So when you ask me what am i doing about it all, I give no reply, as it would be off topic. But in reality i don't go asking people if they masturbate and why. It is none of my business what others do in that respect.
  20. JOHN BUTLER
    As with most on here you never answer my questions directly and a lot of your comments make no real sense. Yes i guess you visit this site for a bit of fun as many of us do, but a few straight answers might be helpful sometimes. I can take any criticism and kick backs but straight answers and nice...
  21. JOHN BUTLER
    https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_corinthians/5-20.htm Very interesting indeed.
  22. JOHN BUTLER
    Ah but is it the GB's thinking or God's thinking, this is the whole point ? Can they give direct scripture where God states such ? If there is no scripture then are they going beyond the things written ? If so they are adding burden to God's word. Surely there is enough pressure for any true servant of God to deal with, without making them feel guilty in an extra way. And as I've said before it might just make some younger people stumble, by thinking that the GB is putting on pressure whilst allowing 'other things' to go unpunished. They may see double standards and be stumbled to the point of quitting the JW Org.
  23. JOHN BUTLER
    Qoute : 'forbidding to others what scared them for the sake of total control of EVERYTHING'. Wow does this mean you actually agree with me ? I've been saying the GB go beyond the things written because they want total control. And I've also been saying the GB are like the Pharisees adding extra burdens to the congregants. So am i right ? As for the word Theology, I hate the word as much as I hate the word Religion. Common sense is man's thinking. Serving God the way God wants to be served is God's thinking. Two totally different things. And the word religion is just a pigeon hole that people seem to need to use. Such as, What religion are you ? It means nothing, just a tick box for convenience.
  24. JOHN BUTLER
    It's not just Anna, it's most of the JW congregants. They are frightened to question anything. I can't remember who it was mentioned in the Bible but it says of them 'they carefully examined the scriptures to see if these things were true' or something like that. But the JW folks seem to just accept anything the GB and Elders tell them. Well if a person doesn't question or at least look for scriptural backing then that person is putting their trust 'in earthling man in whom no salvation belongs'. Honestly, having been in different congregations in different parts of the country, I've seen the fear in congregants, not willing to question even the elders. Yes the ordinary congregants, most of them, are quite loving toward each other, but they are in fear of the elders.Â
  25. JOHN BUTLER
    The GB have tried to put themselves in the place of Jesus Christ. We know of course that they cannot come close to doing so. But by spreading fear they rule over others. And you are probably right when you say 'To their benefit...' It would look as if they love the praise and position of power. Moses and David were aware of their mistakes and repented. The GB are stubborn and will not change their ways and of course will be judged by it. If they are of the anointed then they have no excuse for their behavior toward Jehovah and the congregants. It really does make them look like the 'wicked slave' mentioned in the scriptures.
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