JOHN BUTLER

The only part of your comment i will bother to answer is the point of Peter being naked whilst fishing. I say naked because the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses have put exactly that in their translation of their newest Bible. If they see fit to use the word naked then i presume they mean naked. And they say they are guided by God's holy spirit. Please remember, I am only interested in what Jehovah's Witnesses say and do, and what instruction their leaders give them. Â

Thank you for this honest reply. I don't know exactly what 'accusatory statements' you refer to but I'm sure if you pinpointed some i could come up with the information needed. Something like this maybe ? https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-tab-for-child-sex-abuse-secrecy-2m-and-counting/ https://outlook.live.com/mail/AQMkADAwATYwMAItZDdmMC05N2MwLTAwAi0wMAoALgAAA6zYzl6NWINBh5mEBtpxYecBAOZT%2BWnUkplMsl09lQMAhOQAAAIBVAAAAA%3D%3D/id/AQMkADAwATYwMAItZDdmMC05N2MwLTAwAi0wMAoARgAAA6zYzl6NWINBh5mEBtpxYecHAOZT%2BWnUkplMsl09lQMAhOQAAAIBVAAAAOZT%2BWnUkplMsl09lQMAhOQAAdr6294AAAA%3D https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/jehovahs-witnesses-congregations-efforts-to-block-inquiry-squashed This might not be what you are looking for but it's a start. In your reply you said that the brother was removed from his position but was still a full time pioneer. So, he was still allowed to represent Jehovah full time although being known to be acting in a way that Jehovah hates. He was also a danger to the public but the Elders didn't seem to worry about that. That is one important point that JW's don't seem to think about. Yes they say they deal with matters 'in house' but that pedophile doesn't live 24 /7 'in house' does he ? The Pedophile goes out into the public places, such as on the ministry and in general life. Does the general public not deserve to be shown the love, to be protected against such pedophiles ? Law or not, surely the Elders have a 'duty of care' to the public and to report a suspect to the police. For instance, the police can get a search warrant to search a person's home, to look at content on a person's computer, maybe finding images of children being abused, and information about other pedophiles in pedophile rings. All this could stop further child abuse.. ONe other point to your reply. You said that child Abuse wasn't known about or as common years ago. Then why did the Governing Body start building up a 'collection' of files for the last twenty years. 1997 - 2017 and why did they refuse to obey the law of the land by refusing to hand over thins information to the courts ? The Two Witness rule meant that many accusations were deliberately dismissed as lies. Therefore no proceedings of any type took place against the accused and that person maintained a clean record of conduct within the Org. That meant in some cases that if it was a man he could become an Elder or continue as an Elder, giving him ever morescope to abuse young ones. Enough for one reply i think, John

Ah, Thank you. That is still a close relationship to one. Â I thought i could see some influence there.Â

Um thought so. Well at least that will give me some reason for not taking your comments too seriously. Â I do honestly think that in America 'collateral damage ' is taught as being unimportant. That can make a big difference to people's thinking.Â

I tend to comment on the previous comment, not go back into the distant history of what a person many have said before. However you are entitled to believe whatever makes you happy. I've never ever said that my daughter's problems have swayed my thinking in that regard. I could let it niggle me but I won't, as I'm sure that is what you intended. I don't know who is for or against the JW Org and it's not important to me. I only know that, at this moment in time i cannot be part of it. I'm hoping God will sort it all out soon as those in or out of the Org will need some guidance at Judgement Day.

I think I'm ruffling feathers in the JW brigade. There seems to be a gang up on JB movement taking place  Is The Librarian American ? He does seem to have attitude.Â

Wow, underhanded or what. I DID NOT LEAVE THE JW ORG BECAUSE ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS WAS DISFELLOWSHIPPED. In fact at the time i didn't know if she had left of her own accord or been disfellowshipped because my concern was for her wellbeing not for the nitty gritty details. I'm English you see, I think it makes a difference. We English actually care about people.

Having never seen you I cannot answer that I can't understand why Peter went fishing in the nude anyway. It must be a dirty smelly job. But my point was that Jesus never rebuked Peter. However the Elders will tell a brother off for attending a meeting whilst not wearing a tie.Â

Um, I can see I am not liked by many for my stance against the Child Abuse serious problem in the JW Org. However it seems ok for Anna to call me a liar. My love for God, whether Jehovah or Yahweh, will not dwindle, and I will continue to pray through Jesus Christ. I will also continue to mention the CHILD ABUSE / PEDOPHILIA within the JW org, unless you ban me of course. But no, I think you believe in freedom of speech.

Um, I suppose I better not start on my opinion of the USA, freedom, honesty, etc. I'll just say Native Americans.Â

Are you an Elder's wife, or even an elder in drag ? When i was 13 years old I was taken from my parents and placed in a 'Children's Home' in my hometown of Reading Berkshire England. I was taken from my parents through the court, for not attending senior school on a regular basis. Now a Children's Home is a council run 'house' which is supposed to be a 'safe and kind environment' to help children. No, it was a wicked place. Whist there I suffered sexual abuse, physical beatings, emotional torment and mental strain, not from the other boys, but by the people employed to run the 'house'. I was taken to a 'head shrink' and put on drugs, which quietened me down, so that the male homosexual pedophile social worker could sexually assault me on a regular basis. Remember now that this was a council / government run establishment. Therefore I could not run to the police for help as they would have defended the 'Home' against me. I was constantly threatened that if I told anyone I would be sent to an 'Approved School', which I knew to be ten times worse. At 16½ I found employment as was then able to leave the Home, although i was still under the control of the Social services until i was 18. But having been kept on drugs until I left, I then needed a replacement. So I became a small time drugs dealer so that i could get my own share for free. At that time in my life I was not a nice person to be with. I attempted suicide once and was unconscious for at least three days. Then at around age 18 or 19 my brother introduced me to the JW version of the 'truth'. It seemed fantastic. Almost unbelievable. Etc, etc , etc. Then a couple of years ago I first heard about the accusations of pedophilia in the JW Org. I tried my best to ignore it as most JW's do. But finally last year, around August /September time I did my own research. What i found out made me sick in my stomach. What I've learnt about how Elders have treated congregants, especially young ones, has made me more than bitter. It has affected me in many ways. Firstly, the Governing Body has made rules that go directly against Jehovah God. Secondly, the Elders have carried out those rules just like puppets on strings, with no emotions, no love and most importantly no respect for Jehovah God. This has brought shame on Jehovah's name. Next, and unless you have experienced similar, you will have no idea, and I mean NO IDEA. I feel so much pain for the victims that have to live with the memories, the nightmares and the shame they feel. And I relive all my horrific past every time I read the next installment of the disgusting behavior of the Elders in the many congregations Earthwide, yes EARTHWIDE. I only know about, Australia, Canada, America, The Netherlands and the UK. But it must be in every nation, every country that Jehovah's Witnesses are in. So I tell you again, I LEFT THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANISATION BECAUSE OF THE CHILD ABUSE / PEDOPHILIA PROBLEM EARTHWIDE.

Um, so people can pretend to be someone else and tell lies and do all sorts of mischief I much prefer to use my own name and be the real person i am. I think it's known as honesty.

Last September (2017), there was internet info regarding a $66 million dollar lawsuit being filed against Jehovah's Witnesses in Canada, for Child Abuse / Pedophilia. I haven't been able to find out any more information this year and would be very pleased if someone could update me on outcome or ongoing situation. http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2017/10/23/jehovahs-witnesses-hit-with-66-million-sexual-abuse-lawsuit-in-ontario/ This is probably not a good link to add but it's just one of many online.

So where does that leave all those JW Elders that are guilty of Child Abuse, or guilty of hiding the Child Abuse within the Org ? Where doe it leave the Governing Body that deliberately makes the rules to hide the Pedophiles and refuses to cooperate with the law of the land, even though it does not conflict with God's laws ? Are they unrighteous or wicked ?

Don't know but I'm in Devon England and I've always eaten them and the so called easter eggs. Buns and chocolate yum yum. I remember working with a few brothers on a building site (two brothers owned the business) and i had mince pies. I offered them around and no one would have one. I thought it was so funny. Remember, it's not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, it's what come out of the mouth that can defile a person.

Sorry but i think this is funny. Were they really Jehovah's Witnesses ? Please tell me. Do you have any news about the 66 million dollar law suit against the Jehovah's witnesses in Canada ?

Breaking News: Montana Jury Awards Two Women $35 Million in Lawsuit Against Watchtower by Alexandra James On Wednesday, September 27, 2018, a jury in northwestern Montana awarded two women $35 million in their lawsuit against local Jehovah’s Witnesses and the religion's worldwide headquarters. Trial Background This case took place in the Thompson Falls congregation, where it was alleged that a congregation member sexually assaulted, molested, and raped two young women, both family members, over a 13-year period, dating back to the 1990s. The abuse began with one plaintiff, who alleges that her brother was also a victim of abuse. Elders in the congregation apparently disfellowshipped [excommunicated] the man in 2004, but allowed him back into the religion the very next year. After he was reinstated, the man then began abusing the second plaintiff, a niece of his first victim. The Trial and Judgment Leading up to the three-day trial, Watchtower's attorneys had requested that the state's Supreme Court overturn many of the judge's ruling and delay proceedings, but those requests were denied. It was also reported in court filings that Jehovah's Witnesses didn't deny the abuse happened, but claimed that Montana law exempted the elders from reporting “internal ecclesiastical proceedings on a congregation member’s serious sin.” The attorney for Jehovah's Witnesses also said in her arguments, “The Constitution bars the court from contradicting a religious organization on issues of religious beliefs, including canon law, church doctrine and established church practice." It was also reported that Jehovah's Witness lawyers argued that too much time had passed for the women to sue, and the Watchtower Society claimed that they were not responsible for the actions of individual elders. The trial itself only lasted three days, and the judgment was against both the Thompson Falls congregation and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society in New York. Combined, they will pay $4 million in compensation and $31 million in punitive damages. The judge also did not accept the attorney's argument that church practice was exempt from mandatory reporting laws, as one news report stated: News reports have referenced what the Australian Royal Commission Inquiry Into Institutional Response to Child Sex Abuse revealed about Jehovah's Witnesses and their handling of child sex abuse claims; read more about that Inquiry and Jehovah's Witnesses at this post. See the Pedophilia category of this site for more information as well. Also reference the handbook, "Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Sex Abuse," at this page. *** *** Please also see: Jehovah’s Witnesses accused of mishandling abuse in Montana (AP) Montana jury awards two women $35 M in sex abuse lawsuit against Jehovah's Witnesses (The Missoulian) Luke 8 v 17 For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest, nor anything carefully concealed that will never become known and not come out in the open. 6 But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who have faith in me, it would be better for him to have hung around his neck a millstone that is turned by a donkey and to be sunk in the open sea. Matthew 18 v 6. So the GB and their puppet Elders are still offering their children to Molek. For what though ? Do they really think that God cannot see ? Do they think by their actions the JW Org will look clean ? The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses has caused this problem by making rules that go completely against God's principles. The Elders are 'murdering' people spiritually by stumbling them. And then the Org, so it seems, are saying that if a person is not one of the JW Org they will die at Armageddon. They think they have it 'sewn up'. They think that by blackmailing people with the threat of disfellowshipment if they go to the police or other outside authorities, that will keep people quiet. In truth what are they doing ? BRINGING SHAME ON JEHOVAH'S NAME.

If what I've just read is true, and it seems to be, then the JW Org has just lost another 35 MILLION DOLLARS.

I don't know about anyone fighting anyone else BUT, there will be a resurrection of the righteous and the UNrighteous. The righteous are the ones that served God before they died. The unrighteous are the ones that didn't serve God before they died. So, the unrighteous will be given the chance to learn about God, hence millions of 'Bible studies' in the resurrection. Then they will be judged near the end of the 1,000 years. But it seems many will chose to be in opposition to God at that time. That all seems to make sense in a practical way. If it's true or not only time will tell. Now as for your first sentence. "The wt says that they (jws) are going to be the only ones left after Armageddon", well I don't believe they have the right to say that, if they did actually say it. I can see some sort of reasoning such as, 'only one ARK' 'only those in the ARK survived'. 'Only Noah and his family did just as God commanded'. That bit makes sense. But i think it gets far more complicated than that. (will write more later).

Heavy stuff dudes.

Well for anyone truly wanting to serve God properly it has to be alliance with God's written word. in fact serving God not serving the GB of JW Org. However i do have many thoughts about the Bible, such as was it written only for a certain type of people to understand fully. The Bible was written with the aid of Holy Spirit, so then is it only fully understandable by an anointed class who have a 'special' relationship with God ? Then of course comes the next question.“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? In my opinion it cannot be the Governing Body of the JW Org for many reasons. One reason being that they change their minds about the meaning of scriptures so often. This is like taking the food out of someone's mouth whilst they are yet chewing it, and then putting different food in... Another reason is obviously the Child Abuse / Pedophilia issues, which a loving caring anointed class wound not allow to happen. And another reason being the way they lump heavy burdens on the congregants by means of 'traditions of men'. Shunning being one example. So. 'Who really is.......................... Well God will have to let us know for sure before the Judgement comes, otherwise will it have been fair to us if we are in confusion ?

Nice to read some humour in the morning.

So is it true that the JW Org is running out of money ? I do know they are selling Kingdom Halls here in the UK. And the reduction in both magazines and book publications, inc Calendars and Day Texts. Some might say it's because 'we are close to the end of this system' but I think it's because they are running out of money.

Not here in the UK I'm not. The congregations are only allowed to keep so much then have to hand over the rest. I only left the Org in the beginning of this year, so i do know what I'm talking about. But of course you can try to belittle me as it's the thing JW's do.

And who is paying the Victims of Child Abuse then ? Who paid the two million dollar (Supreme Court of California) court costs ? Who paid those two ex-brothers the hidden amounts for the abuse they suffered ? Where oh where do you think all that money is coming from ? Remembering that this problem is now Earthwide.