Patiently waiting for Truth

Wow CC that is such an intelligent answer. But I don't expect any better from a worshiper of the GB. Keep serving your GB because they don't have long left in power. They will be replaced you know.

@César Chávez In all your talk about Moses and Jesus do you forget how they both were inspired of God's holy Spirit ? I think that you are deliberately avoiding the point that the GB / Watchtower / CCJW are not inspired by Holy Spirit and are not even 'spirit led'. I think you also deliberately avoid the fact that the Apostle Paul was 'contacted directly by Jesus Acts 9 v 3-5 3 Now as he was traveling and getting near Damascus, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him, 4 and he fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him: “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” 5 He asked: “Who are you, Lord?” He said: “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. And Paul did not go up to Jerusalem for the first THREE YEARS of his missionary work. Add to that the point that it was the Apostle Paul, who was not one of the Twelve, that wrote all the letters to the congregations, that we have in the Scriptures now. If you really think there was a 1st Century GB, then why weren't the letters written to the congregations from THEM ? As for questioning the CCJW / Watchtower, well all organisations have to be questioned. If a person is seriously looking to serve God properly then they will of course question / investigate / research any organisation / religion that they may be thinking of joining. And, just as importantly, if a person has information, good or bad, about an organisation, then it is right that they should make such information known publicly as a help to other people.

Quote @Anna In order to be legally established you have to comply with rules and regulations of the country. In America, it seems these are extra complex. It would be nice if the GB did comply with the rules and laws of the country (America). Then they might just hand over that Database. Isn't there a law in America about 'withholding information' from the Police or courts ?

@César Chávez I gave you two examples above you comment. I won't waste me time giving you more.

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said: And you are sure that WT with GB listens Christ in all things, little and big? Quote @César Chávez answer " The Watchtower does with its illustration of fine works as described and instructed by Christ himself." Well actually the Watchtower / GB / CCJW do not 'listen to' or follow Christ's instructions in most things. And I think it is clear that Christ is not instructing the Watchtower / GB / CCJW. Example 1, The GB call themselves the Faithful and discreet Slave, but prove by their words that they are not so. Example 2. The GB had it written in the Watchtower that the Anointed should not gather together for study or prayer to God. The GB stated that it would be 'working against the Holy Spirit' if the Anointed did gather together. Whereas Jesus Christ told the Anointed that where ever two or three of them were gathered together HE would be amongst them. I could add more but I've been warned not to.

No, don't leave us

I'm glad we brighten up your day. We all need a little humour sometimes Actually @TrueTomHarley 'cracks me up' so it's great that we help each other

I thought i should make it known that I am under threat of being disfellowshipped from this forum. So if i disappear without trace, i will not have left, but i will have been removed by the Librarian or other admin'. I do find it funny how this forum is run just like a Kingdom hall of Jehovah's Witnesses. The Librarian and others being the Elders. TTH says he has no influence, hum. Anna I think does have. However if i am removed I will forgive them all. But, removing the one revealing the sinners, does not remove the sin. I think of John the Baptiser who also revealed sin and died for doing so. As did Jesus Christ of course. Murdered by those that were committing sin. Disfellowshipping is a form of murder, spiritually and possibly physically, especially when you consider that the GB say only those Baptised JWs IN the Org will be saved. So, my future here is not in my hands, for I must continue to reveal truth. And if truth is so despised by the administration of this forum that they feel threatened by me, then so be it. I will heed the warning of course, but i have a duty to speak truth. Have a good day.

If you call telling the truth, trolling, then you are not a very spiritual person. However Jesus said we should forgive 77 times. Therefore when you ban me you will have my forgiveness. But removing the one whom points out the sinner, does not remove the sin.

Admin is taking odd comments from different topics and randomly putting them together. BUT the comments do NOT relate to each other. I know their game but it won't annoy me as I can see through their 'concern' and see how they are working toward getting rid of those people they do not want here. Definitely an Org thing.

Wow Admin, will i win a prize for having the most topics on the forum

I can see the game that the administration is playing here. They don't want to remove us completely as it would prove my point about them being Elders disfellowshipping people, just as they disfellowshipped John Butler and probably others. So the admin is playing games of moving comments and starting 'pretend new topics' to make those comments look silly stood alone. Everyone knows that a comment out of context does not stand properly. Well done admin, keep playing your games. Keep pretending it has some 'purpose'. Hum, you get more like your GB all the time.

A break down of Arauna's comment Equality, as taught by Jehovah, comes from the heart - a true personal belief that we should not view ourselves as better than others BUT, the GB view themselves as the Faithful and Discreet Slave, and tell the other Anointed not to gather together. and should treat others with justice because Jehovah is watching. But the GB do not treat others with justice. They 'beat their fellow slaves' the True Anointed, they have lies told in court to try to shame Victims of CSA, they don't want to compensate those Victims of CSA. A true belief that we all must be self-controlling, self-sacrificing...…and just, kind, good, merciful etc. This has proven to be so untrue in the CCJW. How many examples do you need ? Many paedophile elders have not shown any self-control. And the GB's Two Witness rule has shown the complete lack of just, kind, good, merciful etc. action. The GB has shown NO self-sacrificing. in the law courts or in handing over the 20 + years Date base of Paedophiles. When all willingly have a self-sacrificing personality which comes from WILLING obedience to a set of standards of justice (good and bad) which comes from Jehovah. But the standards the GB and their Elders use are not from Almighty God. If they were then the CCJW would not be in the trouble it's in now. Human laws (human good and bad), enforced by humans over other humans, does not work because humans always protect their own interests and enforce laws unjustly. This bit is so funny. The GB are bad humans. They are protecting what they see as THEIR own interests. They are refusing to join the Redress scheme in Australia. The GB are selling lots of Kingdom Halls and other properties and shifting the money 'offshore' to hide it away. The GB and their lawyers are pretending the CCJW has no spare cash. The GB are worried about losing the money and the power that they have. Hence they enforce laws unjustly. The GB are the ones that create their own 'laws' and enforce them over others unjustly. That is why people have left and are still leaving the CCJW. The GB are a stumbling block to many people, but the GB will pay the price as Luke 17 v 1 & 2 All coloured writing is quoted from Arauna's comment in another topic. And Admin is pretending this is my topic but in fact i didn't start it, Admin took it from the other topic. So be it .

@TrueTomHarley Ah, but it did get moved. (It was a comment on another topic) So, you do have power here . Funny thing is that @Arauna can mention 'Jehovah' and Satan on a 'political' topic and her comments don't get moved. I'll just take it as discrimination or maybe I'm being persecuted for being honest and truthful. As for trolling, i don't think most people know what it actually means My comments are serious not just for my fun and games.

@César Chávez @Srecko Sostar is right. Criticizing the GB, Watchtower or CCJW IS NOT criticizing Almighty God or Jesus Christ. If it was so, the when Jesus criticized the Pharisees he would have been criticizing his heavenly Father too. CC do you know your problem ? Well your problem is that you think your GB and their helpers are serving God. But in truth your GB and their helpers are not serving God at all. As for association with the CCJW, well the CCJW changes it's teachings and rules and lots of hidden information has become available over the past years. What I'm saying is that the CCJW / Watchtower is not the same as it once was. So when a person of good Christian conscience realises how bad and immoral the CCJW has become and how it's teachings no longer teach TRUTH but has gone after it's own ambitions, then a good honest Christian will separate them selves from that immoral and wicked Organisation. And when you, CC, say " Understand what Christian unity should mean, and the body of Christ is." Do you, or the GB, actually understand either ? The GB tell the Body of Christ, the True Anointed, not to gather together for prayer or to discuss scriptures. The GB say it would be working against the Holy Spirit if the True Anointed gathered together. So where is the unity of your GB with their 'Fellow Slaves' ?

Quote @Arauna Equality, as taught by Jehovah, comes from the heart - a true personal belief that we should not view ourselves as better than others and should treat others with justice because Jehovah is watching. A true belief that we all must be self-controlling, self-sacrificing...…and just, kind, good, merciful etc. This is a true equality when all humans apply these principles from conviction. When all willingly have a self-sacrificing personality which comes from WILLING obedience to a set of standards of justice (good and bad) which comes from Jehovah. Human laws (human good and bad), enforced by humans over other humans, does not work because humans always protect their own interests and enforce laws unjustly. And of course I'm not allowed to pass comment because it would be trolling as @JW Insider tells me. Even though it is @Arauna that turns this topic from political to Religious............ All I will say is :- What hypocrisy. Yes please do remember that Almighty God IS watching you. Will this comment get deleted or moved I wonder ? Will Arauna's comment get the same treatment too .

Quote CC Understand what Christian unity should mean, and the body of Christ is. The BODY OF CHRIST is the TRUE ANOINTED. The earthly class are NOT part of the Body of Christ. You talk of Christian unity BUT your GB say that if the Anointed want to gather together for spiritual discussion and for prayer to God through Christ, then your GB say that those Anointed would be 'working against the Holy spirit'. Your GB want to keep the True Anointed apart from each other. The GB want to divide the BODY of CHRIST not unite it.

@César Chávez Show me where I'm advocating my own online community. or where I'm advocating anyone else's online community. Come on give me a link then where " I " am doing those things. It's bad enough that your GB are doing those things ( distortion, exaggeration, and lies.) , I'm certainly not going to follow them into that pit.

From a 2019 report to show it's not just the CCJW being persecuted in Russia. https://www.newsweek.com/religious-persecution-russia-baptist-pastor-1406134 Christian groups in parts of Russia are concerned that persecution against their communities could be spreading, after a Baptist pastor was charged for "illegal" missionary work and other Protestant congregations have faced church closures and fines..... Earlier this month, in the Russian town of Verkhnebakansky near the Black Sea coast, a Baptist congregation was commemorating Annunciation when law enforcement stormed in and interrupted the service, Radio Free Europe reported. A couple of days later, on April 9, the church's pastor—71-year-old pastor Yury Korniyenko—was formally charged with carrying out "illegal" missionary work. If the elderly religious leader is convicted, he would face a large fine...... Other Protestant denominations, such as Pentecostals and Seventh-Day Adventists, have also experienced problems with local authorities in recent months. In March, authorities tore down a Pentecostal church in the Black Sea city of Novorossiysk, which is close to the Baptist church's town, alleging it was not authorized to be built. Seventh-Day Adventists in the same city have been banned from worshiping altogether. Also in March, two American Mormons were arrested in Russia and later deported to the U.S. They were accused of violating immigration laws. "In recent months, the Russian government has stepped up its harassment of Jehovah's Witnesses, adherents of the Church of Scientology, the Baptist community, members of the Tablighi Jamaat missionary movement, and followers of the Turkish theologian Said Nursi," he said. "Russian authorities have arrested, fined, or imprisoned members; community property has been seized; and there have been numerous reports of harsh interrogations and allegations of torture."Hack: Check These Deals p

Quote @TrueTomHarley "This is so infuriating, but also so typical. Everyone will say something in the course of 15 minutes that can be misconstrued by those of another agenda—who simply can’t get their heads around a different point of view or may even be trying to deliberately sabotage it—to make the person look like a nut." Um, yes, reminds me of what some folks do to me. ---------------------------------------- Quote "I don’t often speak on my blog of demons, nor of the devil. Much of my target audience chokes at mention of God, so should I really send them into orbit with posts of the devil? Besides, humans are perfectly capable of doing evil things all on their own—a line of demarcation is hard to draw." You have a blog which does not mention Almighty God and/or the Devil ? And you think "humans are perfectly capable of doing evil things all on their own" ? Um, most strange. Humans were created in God's image and IMO therefore they are capable of 'doing evil things' only because the Devil and his demons rule the world. Were there no influence from Satan then humans might just act in a much nicer way. I suppose there never was a neutral point whereby humans were not influenced by any spirit persons.

@TrueTomHarley You must watch a lot of television or films or something as you seem to reference so many things I've never heard of. Both you and Arauna make references to things that have no meaning to me. (Perhaps I lead a sheltered life). Now as for your words of wisdom, "Why don’t you divert a little more energy towards the goal of being in that New World, you yo-yo?" This is sensible......... But then your words "Perhaps then your credentials for condemning everything under the sun will improve.", are too general. You know that I don't condemn 'everything'. Paul's words, as I mentioned "Hate what is evil", prove the point. It is because I hate what is evil, that i cannot be part of the CCJW right now.... I am not saying that 'everything' about the Org is evil, but that certain things are.... And @JW Insider certainly seems to find 'discrepancies' in the 'teachings' of the Org. 1914 seems to be suspect for instance. So it's not only what you and others call my 'favorite subject' that holds me back, but also some of the teachings and 'rules'. I admit to being at a complete loss right now. You laugh at my idea of a True Anointed but it's the only way forward as far as I can see. You also laugh at my idea of a much bigger 'Body of servants' taking the lead in the Org, but my point has been proven that so much can now be done via internet that a much bigger 'GB' type of leadership is easily possible with Anointed leaders from all around the Earth. But i will come back to the Org's teaching of "Only baptised JWs will be saved", and I'm not liable to be a JW for many years if things continue as they are in the Org. So, I will take the risk of doing what i think is right and stay away from the CCJW, and I will face the consequences. If i die for doing wrong then i can say i did wrong for the right reasons

Jehovah's Witnesses had 'disowned' 27-year-old, found dead in Bristol park after wife's UK residency rejected, inquest hears. https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/jehovahs-witnesses-disowned-27-year-4370866 Lewis Marshall, 27, of High Street in Wells, died on Sunday November 24, 2019 after he hanged himself at St James Park in Bristol. A heartbroken man struggled to cope after his American wife was unable to secure UK residency, an inquest heard. Ms Marsh added her son was "disowned" by the Jehovah Witness fellowship due to his smoking and drinking and erratic behaviour. Mr Marshall had been in Bristol at the time of his death to attend a Jehovah's Witness convention. lan Tabram, Mr Marshall's dedicated care co-ordinator, said Mr Marshall "felt marginalised" by being defellowshipped by Jehovah's Witness and felt "rejected" when he attended a Jehovah's Witness convention in Exeter.

@César Chávez My morals are not perfect, but then, I'm not trying to run an organisation and I'm not trying to mislead millions of people either. I also don't expect to be in that New World. I am a hater in one way though. As the Apostle Paul said at Romans 12 v 9 "Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good". So my hate is directed by scripture which is inspired of God's holy spirit.

@Anna I don't know which of my above comments you are referring to. Is it the comment referring to Americans deliberately killing innocent people ? Or is it about the Faith, Doctrine, Love, Morality etc ? @JW Insider Call it trolling if it pleases you but it just makes sense to me that your GB are nearly all American, and nearly all White. And your comment about how murderous and hateful Americans can be and how they seem to have no regard for human life just adds up to why your GB are like they are. @Anna I have no interest in your JW Only Club. You can all sing each others praises if you wish, and tell each other lies about how wonderful you think your GB are and the Org is. However when JWI changes this interesting topic on scripture about Jesus, to a fairy tale view of the CCJW, then I felt the need to point out his blindness or his 'rose tinted spectacles'. The more I hear about America the more I wish that God would build His earthly part of His 'Organisation' somewhere else. -------------------------------------------------- Slightly back on topic though :- Quote @JW Insider from his first comment. "We know that Jesus' invisible presence began in the first century, around 33 CE, because, as Jesus said: (Matthew 18:20) For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” (Matthew 28:20) . . .And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” So, Jesus is invisibly present with Christians always from his resurrection UNTIL the conclusion (Gk, synteleia) ------------------------------------- Surely Jesus was talking to the Anointed here. So surely these scriptures are for the Anointed only. Now the Matthew 18 v 20 scripture is interesting as it says For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” Think about this, because your GB tell the Anointed NOT to gather together and they say it would be 'Working against the Holy Spirit'

Quote @JW Insider Every town in North Korea was burned down. It was actually a war against the civilians, which means that the US was directly engaged in terrorism. Some bombers admitted that every building over five stories high (residential or otherwise) was a target. If Russia threatened a border state (and they have) in the way the US continues continues to threaten North Korea from all sides, the West would be furious at them. Yes and this is the country that controls the earth wide Organisation of CCJW. The American GB of the American religion, the CCJW. And their one motto 'Collateral Damage is not important'. People are only numbers, boots on the ground. This is why there is such a great need for a TRUE Anointed from all parts of the Earth, not from America. Americans are brainwashed to have no true Christian feelings. All hype, no love, no mercy, no justice.